Death Threats

[Knock-on]

It seems that Lewis has received threats prior to the Brazillian GP. Sorry that I don't have a link but it was from a friend that would know.

I think it's really sad that sportsman should be intimidated this way whoever they are :(

[Big Ben]

It seems that Lewis has received threats prior to the Brazillian GP. Sorry that I don't have a link but it was from a friend that would know.

I think it's really sad that sportsman should be intimidated this way whoever they are :(

are you sure it wasn't the friend of a friend who's the cousin of someone your uncle knows?

[PolePosition_1]

Yeah, I wouldn't really take it seriously, fact it hasn't even reached any of the major media websites would imply its an empty rumour.

[ioan]

It seems that Lewis has received threats prior to the Brazillian GP. Sorry that I don't have a link but it was from a friend that would know.

I think it's really sad that sportsman should be intimidated this way whoever they are :(

Someone should add "rumor started by Knockie" to the thread. :D

[Knock-on]

are you sure it wasn't the friend of a friend who's the cousin of someone your uncle knows?

Sure I'm sure. Why would I bother posting something like this that's rumour :rolleyes:

[JasonD]

Sure I'm sure. Why would I bother posting something like this that's rumour :rolleyes:

Because thats how countless threads are started here.

[Knock-on]

Well, who knows if it will come out after the GP but I thought I would post it.

Please consider it as a rumour but it's very rare I post anything without substance to back it up. However, as has been pointed out, it hasn't been released to the media so it cannot be substantiated.

[gravity]

Lottery winners get calls from people threatening suicide if the money isn't shared with them. Boxers, tennis, soccer and even cricket players have mentioned receiving death threat phone calls before big matches. There's a good chance that MS would have received similar threats in his time. I'm pretty sure Bernie & Co would have already set up the proper channels to have this sort of incident sorted very quickly.

[Knock-on]

Lottery winners get calls from people threatening suicide if the money isn't shared with them. Boxers, tennis, soccer and even cricket players have mentioned receiving death threat phone calls before big matches. There's a good chance that MS would have received similar threats in his time. I'm pretty sure Bernie & Co would have already set up the proper channels to have this sort of incident sorted very quickly.

I didn't check at the time but I assume Mclaren have procedures for dealing with this sort of thing.

It's pretty sad that this type of thing occurs but as you say, it's all too common.

Fortunately, although not uncommon, it's extremely rare that anything ever comes of the threats.

[Bagwan]

It wasn't me .

[Tazio]

It seems that Lewis has received threats prior to the Brazillian GP. Sorry that I don't have a link but it was from a friend that would know.

I think it's really sad that sportsman should be intimidated this way whoever they are :( It wouldn't surprise me if it were true!
So many Nutballs!
So little time! :dozey:

[Roamy]

Well Brazil has proven to be a dangerous place for travelers and I suspect that security is a tight as tight gets. Durning one year team members were expressed kidnapped right out of taxi's. Over the course of time violence has increased with these robberies. Therefore a death threat would be highly probable but with the security highly unlikely.

[Tazio]

Well Brazil has proven to be a dangerous place for travelers and I suspect that security is a tight as tight gets. Durning one year team members were expressed kidnapped right out of taxi's. Over the course of time violence has increased with these robberies. Therefore a death threat would be highly probable but with the security highly unlikely.This is all too true. However they woudn't single out LH for this type of extortion!

[F1boat]

I hope that the police will find and deal with the idiots who dared this.

[Bagwan]

I would think the tightest security needs to be around the rival of the hometown boy , and the lightest around the boy , himself .

The rest are targets for the non-partisan thugs .

It seems a beautiful but dangerous place for the wealthy .

[Tazio]

I would think the tightest security needs to be around the rival of the hometown boy , and the lightest around the boy , himself .

The rest are targets for the non-partisan thugs .

It seems a beautiful but dangerous place for the wealthy .
I'm not trying to be contentious Bags'.
Considering Massa is somewhat of a National Treasure,
those interested in "ill-gotten gains" would be just as,
if not more likely to
hatch an extortion plot against
"Phil" ;)

[ioan]

Considering Massa is somewhat of a National Treasure,

Really?!

I think not. Let's not forget that they've got a full soccer team with plenty of stars, still none of their opponents were threatened with death.

[Tazio]

Really?!

I think not. Let's not forget that they've got a full soccer team with plenty of stars, still none of their opponents were threatened with death.
! think you missed my point.
I thought my post clearly stated that Massa is the one in peril
of having some kind of felonious activity perpetrated on him :dozey:
Sorry if the "phil" referance fooled you! I was just trying to be ironical :p :

[Valve Bounce]

It seems that Lewis has received threats prior to the Brazillian GP. Sorry that I don't have a link but it was from a friend that would know.

I think it's really sad that sportsman should be intimidated this way whoever they are :(

Lewis received a death threat from a friend? What, he promised to whinge and whinge until he died of boredom? :eek:

[Valve Bounce]

Lottery winners get calls from people threatening suicide if the money isn't shared with them. Boxers, tennis, soccer and even cricket players have mentioned receiving death threat phone calls before big matches. There's a good chance that MS would have received similar threats in his time. I'm pretty sure Bernie & Co would have already set up the proper channels to have this sort of incident sorted very quickly.

And Max was threatened with a whipping. :p :

[jso1985]

Really?!

I think not. Let's not forget that they've got a full soccer team with plenty of stars, still none of their opponents were threatened with death.

Exactly!
plus for some reason Massa ain't a big celebrity in Brazil, Barrichello was much more "on the spotlight" when he was in Ferrari

[ioan]

! think you missed my point.
I thought my post clearly stated that Massa is the one in peril
of having some kind of felonious activity perpetrated on him :dozey:
Sorry if the "phil" referance fooled you! I was just trying to be ironical :p :

Sorry, my bad.

[Tazio]

Sorry, my bad.Cheers ioan :)
Plus my post said "somewhat" of a National Treasure!
Not the biggest, or the only!!!

[Tazio]

Exactly!
plus for some reason Massa ain't a big celebrity in Brazil, Barrichello was much more "on the spotlight" when he was in FerrariA lot could change come Monday.

[Bagwan]

Kill him if he wins and kiss him if he loses ?

Was the threat specific to after the race ?

Kip in the paddock and watch your car closely , Lewis .
Does the poor guy need any more pressure ? Damn .

[ioan]

Does the poor guy need any more pressure ? Damn .

Sure he needs more, after all he's cooler than ice! :D

[Knock-on]

"Phil" ;)

Damned racist bigot. Where's the "Report Post" button :laugh:

[truefan72]

Spanish racists target Hamilton

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/30102008/58/spanish-racists-target-hamilton.html

hmm probably some death threats there

[Daniel]

http://www.pinchalaruedadehamilton.com/

Wow..... if I was Lewis I'd be really scared. Watch out for the porcupines Lewis!

This is even more of a storm in a teacup than that time there was actuall a storm in a teacup.....

This has been a Blown totally out of proportion production brought to you by ..... ;)

[Tazio]

Spanish racists target Hamilton

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/30102008/58/spanish-racists-target-hamilton.html

hmm probably some death threats there
That would depend on whether Lewis is "Voodoo Concious" :eek:

"'pinchalaruedadehamilton' (translated as "burst Hamilton's tyre").

Visitors to the website are invited to place imaginary nails, pins and porcupines on a computer version of the Interlagos track where Hamilton will fight Massa for the championship"

"Hamilton cannot finish the race," the website - which features the logo of advertising agency Tequila Spain - says. "We have to stop him however we can."

"McLaren and Formula One's governing body have condemned Spanish racists after hundreds of hate messages were posted on a 'voodoo-style' website targeting title favourite Lewis Hamilton"

Now it's official if Lewis has any problems with any, and all aspect of equipment weather, uh.......well anything that keeps him from winning the WDC we will all know it was because of those peskey Alonzo fans that have resorted to Witch-craft!

I suspect that they will not be losing any sleep at interpole over this one :dozey:

Is it me, or are we only really concerned with serious death threats!

If so should that include this sillyness?

Dude you are trippin' :p :

[wmcot]

Still, it's pretty sad that there are those out there who would take racism to this extreme even if it is not meant to be serious. I'm not a Hamilton fan, but the thought of anyone making racist remarks or threats toward him is sick and wrong. This is just a sport, people! Regardless of who emerges as WDC on Sunday, we'll all be back at work on Monday and life will go on.

Those with small minds and petty lives are taking this a bit too far!

[555-04Q2]

Its all wrong. Max & Bernie should be getting the death threats, not LH :(

[PolePosition_1]

Whilst I'm totally against racism, I think they are making too much of a fuss on this.

I live with 3 spanish people, who don't really see the problem. Its no different to making fun of Alonso for having bushy eyebrows etc, its just they doing it on colour of his skin. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for having bushy eyebrows or dark skin?

From my understanding, in Spain they have a more relaxed attitude to the line between banter and racism, and its not really seen as racist, or no more racist than making fun of someones eyebrows.

And I'm inclined at agree, I think society (in UK anyway), is too focussed on race.

[ShiftingGears]

What a beat-up.

[Daniel]

Whilst I'm totally against racism, I think they are making too much of a fuss on this.

I live with 3 spanish people, who don't really see the problem. Its no different to making fun of Alonso for having bushy eyebrows etc, its just they doing it on colour of his skin. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for having bushy eyebrows or dark skin?

From my understanding, in Spain they have a more relaxed attitude to the line between banter and racism, and its not really seen as racist, or no more racist than making fun of someones eyebrows.

And I'm inclined at agree, I think society (in UK anyway), is too focussed on race.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Knock-on]

Whilst I'm totally against racism, I think they are making too much of a fuss on this.

I live with 3 spanish people, who don't really see the problem. Its no different to making fun of Alonso for having bushy eyebrows etc, its just they doing it on colour of his skin. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for having bushy eyebrows or dark skin?

From my understanding, in Spain they have a more relaxed attitude to the line between banter and racism, and its not really seen as racist, or no more racist than making fun of someones eyebrows.

And I'm inclined at agree, I think society (in UK anyway), is too focussed on race.

I don't think this Spannish thing is rascism or threatening his safety :confused:

It just seems a bit of harmless fun and ribbing to me.

Sticking imaginary nails around the circuit lol :laugh:

[Daniel]

I don't think this Spannish thing is rascism or threatening his safety :confused:

It just seems a bit of harmless fun and ribbing to me.

Sticking imaginary nails around the circuit lol :laugh:
Burn him! He's a witch! :p

[MAX_THRUST]

Whilst I'm totally against racism, I think they are making too much of a fuss on this.

I live with 3 spanish people, who don't really see the problem. Its no different to making fun of Alonso for having bushy eyebrows etc, its just they doing it on colour of his skin. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for having bushy eyebrows or dark skin?

From my understanding, in Spain they have a more relaxed attitude to the line between banter and racism, and its not really seen as racist, or no more racist than making fun of someones eyebrows.

And I'm inclined at agree, I think society (in UK anyway), is too focussed on race.

Thats called IGNORANCE.

[Dave B]

As far as I can make out, the "game" in question revolves around trying to get a computerised Hamilton to DNF a race. That may be somewhat immature, but it isn't racism.

[THE_LIBERATOR]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.

[THE_LIBERATOR]

As far as I can make out, the "game" in question revolves around trying to get a computerised Hamilton to DNF a race. That may be somewhat immature, but it isn't racism.It's the mesages left that are the issue, not the game.

[Dave B]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.

It's a childish game which, if it were directed at a white driver wouldn't raise an eyelid. People are seeing racism where they want to see racism.

I'm not excusing racism whatsoever, it's abhorrent. But this isn't racism.

[Dave B]

I notice you've added another post making my reply look rather redundant. Thanks for that. If people are leaving racist comments on that site then yes that's disgusting. But a silly game is not. Don't you dare suggest I'm making excuses for racism.

[ShiftingGears]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.

Excuses for what, exactly?

[Daniel]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.
How dare you accuse Dave directly or indirectly of making excuses for racism..... in my whole 7 and a half years on this forum I can honestly say hand on heart that DB has always been extremely against racism and has never come across as being racist at all. I've never seen such rudeness and such obvious false accusations as that pedalled by the idiotic morons on this site who seem to have more of an issue with the fact that Lewis Hamilton is black than the people who they are accusing of being racist.....

This is appalling behaviour.

[Knock-on]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.

What exactly are you disgusted at?

It just seems a bit of silliness to me like putting a picture of George Bush (or Jordon) on the dart board.

It's not doing anything malicious.

[Robinho]

from what i've heard (on the news) some of the messages posted on the site are hoping for Hamilton to die and are littered with the 'N' word amongst other racialist abuse.

but, by being on the news and all over the F1 coverage they've given them a voice - before that it was just a few people with no coverage.

shame, too, cos the voodoo website game itself sounds pretty funny

[keysersoze]

Hamilton will be a very worthy champion, and I'm sure he will be champ many times over before he hangs up his helmet and becomes a team owner, or the Prime Minister of England. ;)

Any violence in the aftermath of a Hamilton WDC would be small potatoes compared to the violence in the US if Barack Obama DOESN'T win the election on Tuesday. :eek:

[Knock-on]

How dare you accuse Dave directly or indirectly of making excuses for racism..... in my whole 7 and a half years on this forum I can honestly say hand on heart that DB has always been extremely against racism and has never come across as being racist at all. I've never seen such rudeness and such obvious false accusations as that pedalled by the idiotic morons on this site who seem to have more of an issue with the fact that Lewis Hamilton is black than the people who they are accusing of being racist.....

This is appalling behaviour.

OTT Daniel. You are not the forum conscience.

[Daniel]

OTT Daniel. You are not the forum conscience.
I never claimed to be. I only claim to have my own views and I don't claim to represent the whole forum *shakes head*

[ioan]

I really can't believe people are making excuses for it!! You disgust me.

And you disgust me! Now we are all equal! :laugh:

Seriously, some people should get a good dose of sense of humor and a and sleep over before posting comments.

[truefan72]

the game's fine in my book, no problem with that and I don't think anyone including the FIA had a problem with it.

The real issue was the disturbing nature of the comments left behind, many really crossed the line and were down right disgusting. That's were the FIA came in and said that a springboard for vile commentary, death threats and calls for violence towards Hamilton is not acceptable. That's the real crux of the scandal.

And the fact that it is coming from spain, fairly or unfairly means that there is extra scrutiny on the issue.

I also mentioned it as a repsons to some ddoubting Knock-on's asertion that death threats were levied against Hamilton.

[truefan72]

How dare you accuse Dave directly or indirectly of making excuses for racism..... in my whole 7 and a half years on this forum I can honestly say hand on heart that DB has always been extremely against racism and has never come across as being racist at all. I've never seen such rudeness and such obvious false accusations as that pedalled by the idiotic morons on this site who seem to have more of an issue with the fact that Lewis Hamilton is black than the people who they are accusing of being racist.....

This is appalling behaviour.

...hmm or folks who feel agrieived by the slightest mention of the fact that racism towards hamilton exists and choose to make light of the matter while they themsleves perpetuate the very notion of poor judgment and ignorance in their attempts at trivilaizing the issue. At the same time feiging outrage of percieived malignment while hurling insults.

oh well

[Daniel]

...hmm or folks who feel agrieived by the slightest mention of the fact that racism towards hamilton exists and choose to make light of the matter while they themsleves perpetuate the very notion of poor judgment and ignorance in their attempts at trivilaizing the issue. At the same time feiging outrage of percieived malignment while hurling insults.

oh well
Or folks who do what THE_LIBERATOR did and don't see a problem with it :)

There are people everywhere who are racist, it's a given, just like the fact that you could go some places in the world, mention that you're from the US and people will think negatively of you. I really don't feel there is any more racism towards Lewis than there is towards any other sportsman who is not of white European origin and I think most people don't care whether someone is black, yellow, a bit brown or lobster red like some girls out on a Saturday night here in the UK. It's just the fact that the British media are so hyper sensitive about anything and when a few people go on some silly website and put pins on a virtual interlagos track it's in the news and being pumped up for more than it is.

If someone comes on the forums and says something negative about Lewis' colour I'll come down on them like a tonne of bricks but otherwise I'll continue to think this is a non-issue.

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I think it was Ioan!



I think most people don't care whether someone is black, yellow, a bit brown or lobster red like some girls out on a Saturday night here in the UK.

May I be racist towards girls that are orange in make-up and fake tan?

[Daniel]

Yes. Just don't tell anyone

[markabilly]

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[markabilly]

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[markabilly]

That would depend on whether Lewis is "Voodoo Concious" :eek:

"'pinchalaruedadehamilton' (translated as "burst Hamilton's tyre").

Visitors to the website are invited to place imaginary nails, pins and porcupines on a computer version of the Interlagos track where Hamilton will fight Massa for the championship"

"Hamilton cannot finish the race," the website - which features the logo of advertising agency Tequila Spain - says. "We have to stop him however we can."

"McLaren and Formula One's governing body have condemned Spanish racists after hundreds of hate messages were posted on a 'voodoo-style' website targeting title favourite Lewis Hamilton"

Now it's official if Lewis has any problems with any, and all aspect of equipment weather, uh.......well anything that keeps him from winning the WDC we will all know it was because of those peskey Alonzo fans that have resorted to Witch-craft!


:p :

Could you give me a link on how can I use voo-doo to bring back the flying painted toenail ?
What I am really interested in, is some special double whammy, witchy voo-doo to instantly replace lewis with speed at mac, so as to balance the universe and keep it from collapsing from three into two dimensions and disrupting the space time continum...

[Jag_Warrior]

Any violence in the aftermath of a Hamilton WDC would be small potatoes compared to the violence in the US if Barack Obama DOESN'T win the election on Tuesday. :eek:

You haven't heard? Early this morning, George Duhbya Bush issued a press release. No matter who wins the election, he's not leaving the White House. Apparently he saw a bumper sticker which read Bush/Cheney Forever and he's taken it literally. But if Cheney croaks, Bush has agreed to let Sarah Palin be Vice-King... I mean Vice President. :p :

I've read translated exerpts from the Spanish website. There seems to be a disturbing emphasis on Hamilton's race. And the comments were clearly racist. Whatever foolish rationilzations some Spaniards might make about that sort of thinking is of no consequence. It is what it is.

Exerpts I've read from the Brazilian website just seem rather silly. Two chicken bones and the eye of a pig sprinkled with salt: Hamilton's engine will expire on Lap 30. :rolleyes: With mixed race Pardos being the largest racial grouping in Brazil, I doubt that Brazilians generally have as much of a problem with Hamilton because of race as some from Spain apparently do. I think they might want to cut back on huffing paint while making voodoo chants though.

What I find interesting in both sets of fans though is their lack of sportsmanship. As long as their guy wins, they don't care how he does it.

[truefan72]

You haven't heard? Early this morning, George Duhbya Bush issued a press release. No matter who wins the election, he's not leaving the White House. Apparently he saw a bumper sticker which read Bush/Cheney Forever and he's taken it literally. But if Cheney croaks, Bush has agreed to let Sarah Palin be Vice-King... I mean Vice President. :p :

I've read translated exerpts from the Spanish website. There seems to be a disturbing emphasis on Hamilton's race. And the comments were clearly racist. Whatever foolish rationilzations some Spaniards might make about that sort of thinking is of no consequence. It is what it is.

Exerpts I've read from the Brazilian website just seem rather silly. Two chicken bones and the eye of a pig sprinkled with salt: Hamilton's engine will expire on Lap 30. :rolleyes: With mixed race Pardos being the largest racial grouping in Brazil, I doubt that Brazilians generally have as much of a problem with Hamilton because of race as some from Spain apparently do. I think they might want to cut back on huffing paint while making voodoo chants though.

What I find interesting in both sets of fans though is their lack of sportsmanship. As long as their guy wins, they don't care how he does it.

very well said!

[truefan72]

Or folks who do what THE_LIBERATOR did and don't see a problem with it :)

There are people everywhere who are racist, it's a given, just like the fact that you could go some places in the world, mention that you're from the US and people will think negatively of you. I really don't feel there is any more racism towards Lewis than there is towards any other sportsman who is not of white European origin and I think most people don't care whether someone is black, yellow, a bit brown or lobster red like some girls out on a Saturday night here in the UK. It's just the fact that the British media are so hyper sensitive about anything and when a few people go on some silly website and put pins on a virtual interlagos track it's in the news and being pumped up for more than it is.

If someone comes on the forums and says something negative about Lewis' colour I'll come down on them like a tonne of bricks but otherwise I'll continue to think this is a non-issue.

He is right in general about people making excuses for it, bit completely wrong to go after Knock-on.

But when people say things like, "its overblown", or "just having a little bit of fun", or "it would be the same as making fun of Alonso's eyebrows", then some folks are simply appeasing such behaviour. As I said I got no problem with voodo dolls or games on websites denouncing Hamilton or hoping he would loose. That is understandable and natural from supporters of their respective favorites.

What the FIA and I and many others have a problem with are the vile racist comments left on those sites that go way beyond the line of good taste. And yes some death threats included in them. Now one can go ahead and dismiss it as a few lost souls or that LH has nothing to be afraid of from those folks, but the fact remains it is happening and caught the eye of F1 as something they had to denounce.

Unfortunately, it only takes a few people to tarnish the image of nation, or fan group, and while the website is a silly little thing, those choosing to leave behind stupid racist comments cast a wider shadow than the website probably intented to cover.

Anyway, let's hope for a good race tomorrow and may the best man win the WCC

[jso1985]

Whilst I'm totally against racism, I think they are making too much of a fuss on this.

I live with 3 spanish people, who don't really see the problem. Its no different to making fun of Alonso for having bushy eyebrows etc, its just they doing it on colour of his skin. Whats the difference in making fun of someone for having bushy eyebrows or dark skin?

From my understanding, in Spain they have a more relaxed attitude to the line between banter and racism, and its not really seen as racist, or no more racist than making fun of someones eyebrows.

And I'm inclined at agree, I think society (in UK anyway), is too focussed on race.

:up: Here in LatinAmerica(which I think is the closest culture to Spain) is pretty much normal to make fun of someone's skin colour without making you a racist, why? cause we don't take skin colour so seriously, it's just another detail like being fat or hairy. While the comments are still idiotic I bet some of the spanish fans who wrote those messages are FC Barcelona fans and are wishing Eto'o scores a goal or two this weekend...

or if I could explain it better, they hate Hamilton because he's Hamilton not because he's black, if he would be a white German he would be a "f*cking Nazi" instead.

So are those comments taken too seriously? I think so, some people are turning a bunch of lifeless idiots into the next Gestapo...

[Tazio]

or if I could explain it better, they hate Hamilton because he's Hamilton not because he's black, if he would be a white German he would be a "f*cking Nazi" instead.

So are those comments taken too seriously? I think so, some people are turning a bunch of lifeless idiots into the next Gestapo...

"the next Gestapo"

I take exception to that remark!!!!
We Amercans already have it!
It's called "Homeland Security" :rolleyes:

[markabilly]

:up: Here in LatinAmerica(which I think is the closest culture to Spain) is pretty much normal to make fun of someone's skin colour without making you a racist, why? cause we don't take skin colour so seriously, it's just another detail like being fat or hairy. While the comments are still idiotic I bet some of the spanish fans who wrote those messages are FC Barcelona fans and are wishing Eto'o scores a goal or two this weekend...

or if I could explain it better, they hate Hamilton because he's Hamilton not because he's black, if he would be a white German he would be a "f*cking Nazi" instead.

So are those comments taken too seriously? I think so, some people are turning a bunch of lifeless idiots into the next Gestapo...


The eye of the beholder....

For me, skin color is mostly meaningless and threads like this are amusing.
One chooses his skin color no more than he chooses to be born or upon birth, to be male or female.

So what?


However your analogy is very poor as being a nazi is a choice and I am certain that certain Germans (white, black or brown) would prefer not to be called nazi for some very serious reasons for being labelled, with excellent grounds to be offended.

It would be no different for me to call you f***ing child molester merely based on your country of origin or skin color.

I am sure you would be offended if i called you a child molester, rapist, criminal and such and you should have excellent grounds to be offended.

"Homeland security" should be "Homeland Insecurity"

[nigelred5]

I wouldn't want to be Glock trying to get out of the track tonight.

[jso1985]

However your analogy is very poor as being a nazi is a choice and I am certain that certain Germans (white, black or brown) would prefer not to be called nazi for some very serious reasons for being labelled, with excellent grounds to be offended.



ok, let's imagine Hamilton would be from Ecuador or Morocco.... Spanish people have plenty of insults for them... yet when using towards Hamilton in that particular case, once again it wouldn't mean they hate him because of his origins...

My nazi example was to point that whatever suits easier is the insult you use... pretty much idiotic? I know! and certainly anyone targeted has the right to be offended but that goes away from my point, being that some people are taking those comments as the biggest racist thing since... I don't know... Kanye West or that idiot that didn't want a black student on his univeristy...