Massa drive through penalty for unsafe pit release?

[PolePosition_1]

Been looking over the forum this morning, and ain't found any topics regarding fact that Massa got penalised for an unsafe release.

Whats your thoughts on this?

How was this incident different from Valencia?

Why is it that different penalties applied to incredibly similar incidents?

Tell me your thoughts...

[ioan]

Been discussed in other topics.

[PolePosition_1]

Been discussed in other topics.

My apologies, I did have a fair look but didn't really see it discussed in depth.

[Daniel]

Simple. The FIA weren't as biased yesterday. Well it's what you wanted to hear.....

[ioan]

My apologies, I did have a fair look but didn't really see it discussed in depth.

You mean there was not enough FIA bashing involved? No FiArrari or Ferrari Intrenational Asiistance?

Come on, give it a brake for once.

[MAX_THRUST]

No I agree what was different Ioan?

Oh yes the FIA have been accused of being unfair and now they have to play fair, tough aint it!!!!

[PolePosition_1]

Well yes, I do think the issue has been slightly overlooked. And I think this is an opportunity to bash the authorities into doing something about the inconsistancies. Or at least explanation of their decisions.

Massa gained no advantage in same way as in Valencia, the reason for not penalising him, yet yesterday they decided to penalise him.

All due respect, have a pop at me if you like, but personally, I think people should be calling for a change in the Stewarding system, its a total farce. At minimum, make them justify the reasoning behind it.

How is a team meant to know what is allowed and not, when we have two incidents here, very similar, and penalised totally different?

I think we should bash the autorities, its a joke, and its affecting the championship.

I think we should bash the autorities, its a joke, and its affecting the championship.

Every sport has decisions by the authorities affecting the championship.

It's a part of sport.

[ioan]

No I agree what was different Ioan?

That he actually impeded Sutil this time around, while in Valencia he never got in the path of Sutil?
Nah it can't be it's way to logical. :rolleyes:

[ArrowsFA1]

Every sport has decisions by the authorities affecting the championship.

It's a part of sport.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean that poor or inconsistent decisions should be accepted and nothing done to eliminate them wherever possible.

[PolePosition_1]

Every sport has decisions by the authorities affecting the championship.

It's a part of sport.

Yes, but its not what sport is about, if inconsistancies can be eliminated, they should be.

The current system, I wouldn't really classify as satisfactory.

Are you satisfied with the current stewarding system?

[PolePosition_1]

That he actually impeded Sutil this time around, while in Valencia he never got in the path of Sutil?
Nah it can't be it's way to logical. :rolleyes:

See, thats perfect Ioan, that is exactly the thing I'm looking for. What you say makes perfect sense. Surely its reasonable that the Stewards should justify their punishment in same way you have done just then. That way we know what is acceptable and what is not.

Don't you agree?

[ioan]

See, thats perfect Ioan, that is exactly the thing I'm looking for. What you say makes perfect sense. Surely its reasonable that the Stewards should justify their punishment in same way you have done just then. That way we know what is acceptable and what is not.

Don't you agree?

Yes we agree!
We also see now why I'm never gona be a FIA steward. because I justify things while they never do it (also because they aren't required to do it publicly, only to the teams involved).

[PolePosition_1]

Yes we agree!
We also see now why I'm never gona be a FIA steward. because I justify things while they never do it (also because they aren't required to do it publicly, only to the teams involved).

Aw I wasn't aware of this. The Stewards actually justify their reasons to the teams involved? Can you confirm this for me (a source would be great :) )?

[ioan]

The Stewards actually justify their reasons to the teams involved? Can you confirm this for me (a source would be great :) )?

Common sense? Otherwise it wouldn't be accepted by any of the teams. Did you ever hear them say that they do not know why they were penalized?

Yes, but its not what sport is about, if inconsistancies can be eliminated, they should be.

The current system, I wouldn't really classify as satisfactory.

Are you satisfied with the current stewarding system?

Yes I am.

[PolePosition_1]

Yes I am.

Lol thats fair enough. Personally, I'm not satisfied that one driver does something and doesn't get penalised, and another driver can do exactly the same thing, and does get penalised, and the stewards don't even have to justify their decisions. It goes against fairness. If your satisfied thats not much more we can say on this issue.

[PolePosition_1]

Common sense? Otherwise it wouldn't be accepted by any of the teams. Did you ever hear them say that they do not know why they were penalized?

I realise that they say what the penality is for, but they don't justify it, thats what I'd like to see. For example, official Hamilton got penalised for not using the track, and going off. Well technically that means every driver who goes 4 wheels off track should be penalised. But we (or anyone) can question that forcing them to justify and give a full explanation.

Surely everyone would like the stewards to justify their decisions.

[Knock-on]

I realise that they say what the penality is for, but they don't justify it, thats what I'd like to see. For example, official Hamilton got penalised for not using the track, and going off. Well technically that means every driver who goes 4 wheels off track should be penalised. But we (or anyone) can question that forcing them to justify and give a full explanation.

Surely everyone would like the stewards to justify their decisions.

I totally agree.

There is no transparity or consistency it seems.

Even when they do deliver a consistant judgement (ie the Stop/Go's) then they do it in such a way that the effect of them is negated by the time it's taken to issue a standard penalty.

[555-04Q2]

It was a very unsafe pit release this time round. Ferrari need to scrap their STUPID automated pit system and get a lolipop man back in the pit crew. Someone is going to get killed if they carry on with the automated system :down: