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Saabaru
20th September 2008, 17:50
I have looked at all the technical data I could find online but I can't figure out why the COT has so much blow by out the exhaust when braking. Anyone have any answers?
call_me_andrew
21st September 2008, 06:34
That's not a COT issue, the old car threw just as many flames out the exhaust. It's possible teams are running running their carburetors richer to compensate for the unleaded fuel, but I figured they would have dialed that back down by now.
RaceFanStan
21st September 2008, 17:24
As call_me_andrew stated, flames out the exhaust existed even before the COT ...
it usually occurs under deceleration & sometimes even on restarting the engine ...
it is caused by combustion of unused fuel in the exhaust due to the heat of the pipes ...
I suspect the engines are running very rich to be sure the engines don't "lean-out" & burn pistons ...
unleaded fuel could have added to the flames but most likely it is related to camshaft timing.
(I imagine the racing engines have a lot of cam overlap to make maximum horsepower.)
(Even with fuel injection I expect that the flames would still exist.)
Saabaru
21st September 2008, 20:30
It would take a lot of fuel to produce constant flames like that for such a long period of time (3 to 4 seconds), ther shouldn't be that much fuel passing through the engine on such a short deceleration. Cars with Anti-Lag systems that purposely inject fuel in the exhaust upon braking don't produce flames like that. I didn't know if it was something in the fuel or what, it's just something I was trying to understand.
Would they cut the spark in the engines going into the corner leaving the throttle wide open, this would generate a small jolt of energy comming out of the turn but probably wouldn't account for the extra lap (or laps) you could make by not wasting the fuel?
call_me_andrew
22nd September 2008, 06:55
Would they cut the spark in the engines going into the corner leaving the throttle wide open
I'm pretty sure that's how the rev limiters work.
Saabaru
23rd September 2008, 00:38
Yeah I know but there has to be a reason for that much fuel to be passing through the motor though.
Mihai
3rd October 2008, 15:19
Yes, the CoT spits flames on short ovals and road course :
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1115/flame2ou5.jpg
But the old cars had the same 'fire power' :
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9564/flame1lo5.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2883/flame3fb9.jpg
The Earnhardts seem to enjoy playing with fire too : http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g202/gr8link/orn/00.gif
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2690/flame4ie7.jpg
RaceFanStan
3rd October 2008, 16:49
Yeah I know but there has to be a reason for that much fuel to be passing through the motor though.
The reason is that if a racing engine runs too lean it will "burn a piston" ...
once a "piston is burnt", engine failure occurs & a DNF results ...
the solution is to be certain abundant fuel is fed into the racing engine. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
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