Classic vs Chase Points

[RaceFanStan]

after the 26th race @ Richmond there are already discrepancies ...
CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 5,080 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 01. 3878 points --- Kyle Busch
02. 5,050 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 3671 points --- Carl Edwards
03. 5,040 points --- Jimmie Johnson ------ 03. 3576 points --- Jimmie Johnson
04. 5,010 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 04. 3488 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr
05. 5,010 points --- Clint Bowyer --------- 05. 3384 points --- Jeff Burton (7th in Chase)
06. 5,010 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 06. 3285 points --- Tony Stewart (8th in Chase)
07. 5,010 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 07. 3283 points --- Kevin Harvick (11th in Chase)
08. 5,000 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 08. 3280 points --- Greg Biffle (9th in Chase)
09. 5,000 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 09. 3235 points --- Denny Hamlin (6th in Chase)
10. 5,000 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 10. 3221 points --- Jeff Gordon
11. 5,000 points --- Kevin Harvick --------- 11. 3132 points --- Matt Kenseth (12th in Chase)
12. 5,000 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 12. 3116 points --- Clint Bowyer (5th in Chase)
13. 3047 points --- Kasey Kahne ---------- 13. 3047 points --- Kasey Kahne
14. 3039 points --- David Ragan ----------- 14. 3039 points --- David Ragan
15. 2854 points --- Brian Vickers ----------- 15. 2854 points --- Brian Vickers
16. 2853 points --- Ryan Newman --------- 16. 2853 points --- Ryan Newman

I think there will be some big discrepancies as the final 10 races go down. :s

[Old3Fan]

I like what Jeff Gordon said after the race. This was a 600 point gain day or something like that. The Chase sucks.

[F1boat]

I think that Jimmie will win again. He is a Chase-expert.

[carracing]

Thanks for posting that... I can see why NASCAR did the Chase (ratings to compete with NFL season?) but I agree - I like the Classic end of season MUCH better. Not that I have any preferences on the drivers that would have changed, just that not ALL change is a good idea and a LOT of die-hard multi-generational fans are losing interest because of the over-commercialization and genearl BS in NASCAR in recent years... wish they'd get a clue.

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #01 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #27 @ Loudon
--CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 5220 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 01. 3944 points --- Kyle Busch (now 8th in the Chase)

02. 5220 points --- Jimmie Johnson ------ 02. 3841 points --- Carl Edwards (now leads the Chase)

03. 5190 points --- Greg Biffle ------------ 03. 3756 points --- Jimmie Johnson (now in 2nd with the Chase)

04. 5170 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 04. 3648 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr

05. 5170 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 05. 3544 points --- Jeff Burton

06. 5148 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 06. 3470 points --- Greg Biffle (win really boosted him in the Chase)(3rd)

07. 5147 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 07. 3432 points --- Tony Stewart

08. 5146 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 08. 3417 points --- Kevin Harvick (now 10th in the Chase)

09. 5137 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 09. 3373 points --- Denny Hamlin (now 6th in the Chase)

10. 5134 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 10. 3342 points --- Jeff Gordon (loses 1 spot in the Chase)

11. 5121 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 11. 3243 points --- Clint Bowyer (now 9th in the Chase)

12. 5043 points --- Matt Kenseth -------- 12. 3177 points --- Kasey Kahne (LOCKED-OUT of the top 12 with the Chase)

13. 3177 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 13. 3175 points --- Matt Kenseth (LOCKED-INTO the top 12 with the Chase)

14. 3118 points --- David Ragan --------- 14. 3118 points --- David Ragan

15. 2964 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------ 15. 2964 points --- Martin Truex Jr

16. 2917 points --- Brian Vickers -------- 16. 2917 points --- Brian Vickers

I would imagine Kyle Busch is really frustrated with the Chase about now ... :eek:
with Classic Points Kyle Busch would have an 103 point cushion over 2nd in 1st ...
but with the Chase Points Kyle Busch is in 8th, 64 points BEHIND 1st. :s

[Lousada]

It would be pretty hilarious if Kyle Busch or Carl Edwards wouldn't win the title this year.

[jeffmr2]

To me the season ended at richmond and kyle busch is the champion,the re-setting of the points is a joke and cheapens the credability of the whole series.
If anyone other than Kyle,Carl,Jimmie or even Jr ends up as this seasons champion then it would be an even bigger farce.

[tstran17_88]

It already is a farce...that's why I'm hoping the champion comes out of one of the drivers w/o a win, and one that doesn't win a race this season.

With Biffle's win, it's down to four though.

[oldhippie]

i agree the chase is a farse
if nascar robs kyle busch i hope dale jr wins the championship
imo anybody but johnson would make me happy

[F1boat]

I'd like to see Jimmie winning it for a third time in a row :)

[Lee Roy]

What I find most humorous is that the previous points system was so often criticized during it's existence and now it's referred to as "Classic"!

Too funny!!!!!!

[ShiftingGears]

What I find most humorous is that the previous points system was so often criticized during it's existence and now it's referred to as "Classic"!

Too funny!!!!!!

Maybe The Chase really is that bad :p :

[tstran17_88]

What I find most humorous is that the previous points system was so often criticized during it's existence and now it's referred to as "Classic"!

Too funny!!!!!!Only when Kenseth won the championship, did I hear disdain for the point system. (It was the Roush haters) :D

[Lee Roy]

Only when Kenseth won the championship, did I hear disdain for the point system. (It was the Roush haters) :D

Come on now, surely you remember 1985 when Bill Elliott lost the championship to Darrell Waltrip.

[call_me_andrew]

Come on now, surely you remember 1985 when Bill Elliott lost the championship to Darrell Waltrip.

I was born the day after that season ended (literally). Mind filling me in on the controversy?


It already is a farce...that's why I'm hoping the champion comes out of one of the drivers w/o a win, and one that doesn't win a race this season.

With Biffle's win, it's down to four though.

I'm hoping someone from outside of the top 12 wins on the classic points.

There were two other drivers besides Matt Kensith to win the modern era championship with only one win (Benny Parsons and Ned Jarrett). Was there a controversy then?

I'm sure there was one in 1950 when Bill Rexford won one race and the championship and Curtis Turner won four races and was fifth in points.

[Lee Roy]

I was born the day after that season ended (literally). Mind filling me in on the controversy?


Bill Elliott won 11 races that year and Darrell Waltrip won 3. Waltrip won the championship.

That year there was much consternation over NASCAR's Points System. No one was calling it "Classic".

[call_me_andrew]

Yeah, but no one called Coke "Classic" until "New Coke" came out and everyone realized how bad it could be (so I'm told).

It's funny that after Dover, Kyle Busch isn't even leading on the "classic" system anymore. He still has a 24 point lead (I think he had a 400 point lead a few weeks ago) on my alternate system. I think this proves that even though I'm paying a lot more to win, I can still punish inconsistency.

[Lee Roy]

Yeah, but no one called Coke "Classic" until "New Coke" came out and everyone realized how bad it could be (so I'm told).


You were told correctly. "New Coke" was pretty bad. Like drinking syrup.

[tstran17_88]

Come on now, surely you remember 1985 when Bill Elliott lost the championship to Darrell Waltrip.That was before my time. I started following Nascar around '92.

[tstran17_88]

There were two other drivers besides Matt Kensith to win the modern era championship with only one win (Benny Parsons and Ned Jarrett). Was there a controversy then?Ned's championship was won before what they consider the 'modern era' of Nascar. I think 1972 was the official 'modern era' year?

[tstran17_88]

I don't recall complaining about Terry LaBonte's championship in 1996 when Terry only won two races and Jeff Gordon won 10. But that was before message boards, blogs, etc.

[Lee Roy]

But that was before message boards, blogs, etc.

Bingo!!!!! You beat me to it.

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #02 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #28 @ DOVER
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 5390 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 01. 4011 points --- Carl Edwards (also leads the Chase)

02. 5380 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 02. 3978 points --- Kyle Busch (only 33 points behind 1st in Classic Points)

03. 5380 points --- Greg Biffle ------------ 03. 3916 points --- Jimmie Johnson (10 points from the lead in Chase)

04. 5308 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 3739 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr (9th in the Chase)

05. 5289 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 05. 3682 points --- Jeff Burton

06. 5284 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 06. 3660 points --- Greg Biffle (10 points from the lead in Chase)

07. 5277 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 07. 3572 points --- Kevin Harvick

08. 5272 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 08. 3562 points --- Tony Stewart

09. 5261 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 09. 3493 points --- Jeff Gordon

10. 5223 points --- Matt Kenseth -------- 10. 3422 points --- Denny Hamlin

11. 5197 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 11. 3390 points --- Clint Bowyer

12. 5180 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 12. 3357 points --- Matt Kenseth (10th in Chase)

13. 3262 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 13. 3262 points --- Kasey Kahne

14. 3227 points --- David Ragan --------- 14. 3227 points --- David Ragan

15. 3067 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------ 15. 3067 points --- Martin Truex Jr

16. 3032 points --- Ryan Newman ------ 16. 3032 points --- Ryan Newman (Brian Vickers dropped to 13th)

As you can see, Kyle Busch has every right to hate the Chase... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

[harvick#1]

some one give me a tissue, I feel so bad for Kyle, not :p : all his petty bickering during the season on how good he was, Karma set in on him

[RaceFanStan]

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[Mark in Oshawa]

Karma indeed....Kyle may have talent, but he used up about 3 years worth of luck in the first 26 races.....

[tstran17_88]

some one give me a tissue, I feel so bad for Kyle, not :p : all his petty bickering during the season on how good he was, Karma set in on him

It’s not over until the glandularly challenged lady sings! :D

[oldhippie]

classic would make a tight points race
a fake chase is not needed for that

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #03 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #29 @ KANSAS
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)

01. 5575 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 4186 points --- Carl Edwards
(Carl Edwards' Classic 75 point lead becomes a 10 point deficit in the Chase)

02. 5565 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 4111 points --- Jimmie Johnson

03. 5545 points --- Greg Biffle ------------ 03. 4062 points --- Kyle Busch (buried in12th in the Chase, 306 points behind)

04. 5454 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 3863 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr (8th in the Chase)

05. 5439 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 05. 3828 points --- Jeff Burton

06. 5432 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 06. 3825 points --- Greg Biffle (30 points from the Chase lead)

07. 5411 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 07. 3722 points --- Kevin Harvick

08. 5385 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 08. 3653 points --- Jeff Gordon

09. 5383 points --- Matt Kenseth -------- 09. 3605 points --- Tony Stewart

10. 5332 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 10. 3557 points --- Denny Hamlin

11. 5320 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 11. 3517 points --- Clint Bowyer

12. 5264 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 12. 3515 points --- Matt Kenseth (9th in the Chase)

13. 3369 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 3369 points --- David Ragan

14. 3362 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 3362 points --- Kasey Kahne

15. 3147 points --- Ryan Newman ------ 15. 3147 points --- Ryan Newman

16. 3106 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------ 16. 3106 points --- Martin Truex Jr


The biggest loser in the Chase has to be Kyle Busch. :s

[harvick#1]

The biggest loser in the Chase has to be Kyle Busch.


:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

:D

everyone knows the chase, the rules are the rules.

[RaceFanStan]

Let's see how much you like the Chase when Harvick falls to the bottom. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

[call_me_andrew]

Harvick fell to the bottom months ago. Where have you been?

[harvick#1]

Let's see how much you like the Chase when Harvick falls to the bottom. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/tongue-anim.gif

2007 ring a bell :D

[F1boat]

IMO till the end of the season JJ will lead both standings.

[Mark in Oshawa]

This comparsion is fun but again, for anyone to complain about the legitimacy of the chase is a waste of time. The points would look different if there was no choice because a lot of strategies during the season are based on getting into the chase. Without it, people race different.

[jeffmr2]

This comparsion is fun but again, for anyone to complain about the legitimacy of the chase is a waste of time. The points would look different if there was no choice because a lot of strategies during the season are based on getting into the chase. Without it, people race different.

I agree about drivers racing differently,didnt the 18 team experiment at pocono and richmond with radical setups when they knew they were locked in chase.Under the old system they would have probably raced more conservatively in these races and still be leading points now despite these 3 bad weeks.
Does it actually make any difference to nascar what the fans think,are they likely to make any changes to the chase system in the near future or better stilll scrap it?

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #04 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #30 @ TALLADEGA
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 5718 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 4267 points --- Carl Edwards (13 point lead=72 point deficit in Chase)

02. 5646 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 4254 points --- Jimmie Johnson

03. 5641 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 03. 4185 points --- Kyle Busch (buried 11th in the Chase, 331 points behind)

04. 5619 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 3993 points --- Jeff Burton

05. 5566 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 05. 3947 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr (10th in the Chase)

06. 5547 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 06. 3921 points --- Greg Biffle (77 points from the Chase lead in 3rd)

07. 5515 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 07. 3830 points --- Kevin Harvick

08. 5486 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 08. 3800 points --- Tony Stewart

09. 5473 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 09. 3707 points --- Jeff Gordon

10. 5469 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 10. 3672 points --- Clint Bowyer (5th in the Chase)

11. 5387 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 11. 3608 points --- Denny Hamlin

12. 5383 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 12. 3605 points --- Matt Kenseth (9th in the Chase)

13. 3539 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 3539 points --- David Ragan

14. 3422 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 3422 points --- Kasey Kahne

15. 3181 points --- Ryan Newman ------- 15. 3181 points --- Ryan Newman

16. 3168 points --- Brian Vickers --------- 16. 3168 points --- Brian Vickers

[Mark in Oshawa]

Interesting....we would have a great battle on the old system between Carl and Jimmie...and low and behold we have not quite as good a battle in the Chase between those two with Biff not far back.

I think I like the Chase now that I am seeing how it has kept racing more vital week to week for more drivers. People can squak all they want....in the end it is NASCAR's sandbox...we are just allowed to watch..or not.

[wedge]

I think I like the Chase now that I am seeing how it has kept racing more vital week to week for more drivers. People can squak all they want....in the end it is NASCAR's sandbox...we are just allowed to watch..or not.


You're just saying that because Kyle Busch is 11th in the Chase standings! :D

[BobbyC]

IMO till the end of the season JJ will lead both standings.

That's what he has done after Lowe's Saturday. He has run a smooth, top-10s each week run that has propelled him to the top while the Big Two of Busch and Edwards have made major chokes. Each of the Big Two have had a crash and a breakdown and Johnson is easily coasting. Might this be a Johnson runaway if he keeps up with consistent top 5 and top 10 finishes with a podium or two on the way for the remaining five races?

[F1boat]

I think that he will win at least one more. But from what I've seen he is the best driver in NASCAR today.

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #06 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #32 @ Martinsville
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 6073 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 4609 points --- Jimmie Johnson
02. 5924 points --- Greg Biffle ----------- 02. 4496 points --- Carl Edwards (4th in the Chase)
03. 5921 points --- Jeff Burton ---------- 03. 4426 points --- Kyle Busch (buried 12th in the Chase, 445 points behind)
04. 5875 points --- Carl Edwards ------- 04. 4295 points --- Jeff Burton (5th in the Chase)
05. 5831 points --- Clint Bowyer -------- 05. 4204 points --- Greg Biffle (2nd in the Chase)
06. 5817 points --- Kevin Harvick ------- 06. 4172 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr (09th in the Chase)
07. 5798 points --- Jeff Gordon ---------- 07. 4100 points --- Kevin Harvick
08. 5735 points --- Tony Stewart -------- 08. 4020 points --- Tony Stewart
09. 5694 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 09. 4019 points --- Jeff Gordon
10. 5665 points --- Matt Kenseth -------- 10. 3937 points --- Clint Bowyer (5th in the Chase)
11. 5653 points --- Denny Hamlin ------- 11. 3878 points --- Denny Hamlin
12. 5628 points --- Kyle Busch ----------- 12. 3802 points --- David Ragan (OUT of the Chase)
13. 3802 points --- David Ragan -------- 13. 3797 points --- Matt Kenseth (LOCKED in the Chase-10th)
14. 3656 points --- Kasey Kahne -------- 14. 3656 points --- Kasey Kahne
15. 3412 points --- Brian Vickers -------- 15. 3412 points --- Brian Vickers
16. 3411 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------ 16. 3411 points --- Martin Truex Jr

[muggle not]

I wonder, is this a first that the same driver leads both the Chase and the Classic at this stage in the season.

yep, I'm back. It may take a while to get back in the swing of things though. :D

[call_me_andrew]

I just updated my alternate point system. I've got Johnson leading Edwards by TWO points. Mine's proving to be more interesting than the chase or the classic system.

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #07 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #33 @ Atlanta
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 6248 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 4784 points --- Jimmie Johnson
02. 6065 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 4686 points --- Carl Edwards
03. 6063 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 03. 4581 points --- Kyle Busch (12th in the Chase)
04. 6030 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 4404 points --- Jeff Burton
05. 5941 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 05. 4343 points --- Greg Biffle
06. 5936 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 06. 4307 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr
07. 5934 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 07. 4224 points --- Kevin Harvick
08. 5847 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 08. 4157 points --- Jeff Gordon
09. 5835 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 09. 4132 points --- Tony Stewart
10. 5829 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 10. 4048 points --- Denny Hamlin
11. 5823 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 11. 4040 points --- Clint Bowyer
12. 5783 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 12. 3967 points --- Matt Kenseth
13. 3944 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 3944 points --- David Ragan
14. 3720 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 3720 points --- Kasey Kahne
15. 3529 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------- 15. 3529 points --- Martin Truex Jr
16. 3495 points --- Ryan Newman ------- 16. 3495 points --- Ryan Newman

(Brian Vickers' 150 points penalty dropped him to 18th, would be 16th without it) :eek:

[call_me_andrew]

And if Edwards didn't get that 100 point penalty at Las Vegas, he would be leading the classic points by TWO.

[F1boat]

How many races till the end?

[Lee Roy]

How many races till the end?

Three. Texas, Phoenix and Homestead.

[Haulin'AssAndTurnin Left]

I think this is all the proof we need to say the Chase dont work. We should start a fan fund and send a trophy to the winner of the classic points standings each year.

[Lee Roy]

Should we go back to the various points systems that preceeded the "classic" (that term really makes me laugh) points system and send them a trophy too?

[oldhippie]

kyle busch has to hate the chase
he performed well before the chase
but now the chase wont reflect how good a season he had

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #08 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #34 @ Texas
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 6366 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 4902 points --- Jimmie Johnson
02. 6260 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 4881 points --- Carl Edwards
03. 6223 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 03. 4736 points --- Kyle Busch (10th in the Chase)
04. 6154 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 4528 points --- Jeff Burton
05. 6111 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 05. 4503 points --- Greg Biffle
06. 6099 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 06. 4415 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr
07. 6087 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 07. 4370 points --- Kevin Harvick
08. 5973 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 08. 4332 points --- Jeff Gordon
09. 5962 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 09. 4247 points --- Tony Stewart
10. 5938 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 10. 4205 points --- Clint Bowyer
11. 5937 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 11. 4160 points --- Denny Hamlin
12. 5935 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 12. 4105 points --- Matt Kenseth
13. 4074 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 4074 points --- David Ragan
14. 3811 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 3811 points --- Kasey Kahne
15. 3671 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------- 15. 3671 points --- Martin Truex Jr
16. 3574 points --- Ryan Newman ------- 16. 3574 points --- Ryan Newman

[bowers]

I think this is all the proof we need to say the Chase dont work. We should start a fan fund and send a trophy to the winner of the classic points standings each year.

So that Jimmie Johnson gets 2 trophies???

[slorydn1]

What I find absolutely hilarious is that the two series in which there is no Chase have closer points battles than Cup, and Cup would be closer with out the Chase...that's funny

[harvick#1]

why the chase still and always will suck. ever since they put the chase in, the thrill of drivers winning just sort of went away, also the races now are alot more boring, thanks to the CoT.

[nigelred5]

I didn't know NASCAR was still racing. I thought they were done in September. ;) Last race I watched any of was Richmond.

What NASCAR needs to do is drop the second race from the majority of it's tracks and trim their schedule to 25-26 races, maybe add in an off weekend once a month and end the series by the first of October at the lastest. Too many races, too long of a schedule.

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #09 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #35 @ Phoenix
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 6561 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 5097 points --- Jimmie Johnson
02. 6420 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 5041 points --- Carl Edwards
03. 6358 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 03. 4878 points --- Kyle Busch
04. 6292 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 04. 4666 points --- Jeff Burton
05. 6233 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 05. 4638 points --- Greg Biffle
06. 6226 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 06. 4565 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr
07. 6151 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 07. 4516 points --- Kevin Harvick
08. 6091 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 08. 4372 points --- Jeff Gordon
09. 6090 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 09. 4344 points --- Tony Stewart
10. 6087 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 10. 4332 points --- Clint Bowyer
11. 6080 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 11. 4315 points --- Denny Hamlin
12. 6059 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 12. 4223 points --- Matt Kenseth
13. 4208 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 4208 points --- David Ragan
14. 3935 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 3935 points --- Kasey Kahne
15. 3705 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------- 15. 3705 points --- Martin Truex Jr
16. 3644 points --- Jamie McMurray ----- 16. 3644 points --- Jamie McMurray

[RaceFanStan]

After Chase Race #10 and/or 2008 Nextel Cup Race #36 @ Homestead ~ FINAL
--- CHASE Points Standings (Adjusted) vs “CLASSIC” Points Standings (Actual)
01. 6684 points --- Jimmie Johnson ----- 01. 5236 points --- Carl Edwards
02. 6615 points --- Carl Edwards --------- 02. 5220 points --- Jimmie Johnson
03. 6467 points --- Greg Biffle ------------- 03. 4984 points --- Kyle Busch (10th in the Chase)
04. 6408 points --- Kevin Harvick -------- 04. 4747 points --- Greg Biffle
05. 6381 points --- Clint Bowyer ---------- 05. 4709 points --- Jeff Burton
06. 6335 points --- Jeff Burton ------------ 06. 4691 points --- Kevin Harvick
07. 6316 points --- Jeff Gordon ----------- 07. 4605 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr
08. 6214 points --- Denny Hamlin -------- 08. 4537 points --- Jeff Gordon
09. 6202 points --- Tony Stewart --------- 09. 4487 points --- Tony Stewart
10. 6186 points --- Kyle Busch ------------ 10. 4487 points --- Clint Bowyer
11. 6184 points --- Matt Kenseth --------- 11. 4439 points --- Denny Hamlin
12. 6127 points --- Dale Earnhardt Jr --- 12. 4316 points --- Matt Kenseth
13. 4299 points --- David Ragan --------- 13. 4299 points --- David Ragan
14. 4085 points --- Kasey Kahne --------- 14. 4085 points --- Kasey Kahne
15. 3839 points --- Martin Truex Jr ------- 15. 3839 points --- Martin Truex Jr
16. 3809 points --- Jamie McMurray ----- 16. 3809 points --- Jamie McMurray

There you have it, Carl Edwards would be the Champion IF the stupid chase had not been implemented ... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/eek.gif
plus if you notice, the points margin 1st to 2nd in the classic points would have been only 16 points ... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/eek.gif
the stupid chase has a 69 points margin 1st to 2nd & it was supposed to create a tight points battle. http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/icons/rolleyes.gif