How many lane changes by Hamilton to keep Raikonen behind?

[Bradley]

After passing Raikonen, Hamilton changed his line 4 times on the straight after the Radillon. Only 1 change is allowed.

Does he play with other rules??

[dwf1]

I think it has alot to do with lines for the weather. I didn't see that but maybe your right.....we'll see

[ArrowsFA1]

About as many moves as Kimi made defending against Lewis initially.

[wedge]

I did have suspicions but Lewis had a gap between Kimi as he came back for the racing line.

Just after Lewis' first stop, Kubica pulled a similar move and blatantly chopped in front of Kovy IMO.

[ioan]

About as many moves as Kimi made defending against Lewis initially.

Than they should disqualify both! :p : ;)

[Bradley]

Just after Lewis' first stop, Kubica pulled a similar move and blatantly chopped in front of Kovy IMO.
Yes, the Belgian speaker commented about that. Looks like the commisaries were not very attentive today ...

Imo Kimi would easily have slipstreamed and re-passed Hamiton on the straight after eau rouge, without all those changes of line of the latter. That could have changed the outcome of the race.

[Mifune]

After passing Raikonen, Hamilton changed his line 4 times on the straight after the Radillon. Only 1 change is allowed.

Does he play with other rules??


Have you ever made a post that did not criticize Lewis Hamilton?
According to you he is wrong in every situation regardless of fact or circumstance, so why ask a question when you have no interest in hearing the answer unless it coincides with your infantile world view?
However I do get pleasure from your posts, because Hamilton's continued success must bring you great misery and frustration.
And lets face it, its going to last for at least the next decade or so.
Have fun coming up with excuses for the next 10 to 15 years ;)
But then I don't think you'll be around for that long will you? because you're not really a fan of anything, you're just one of those tedious little people that only seems to exist on the internet, voicing pointless opinions that no one cares about. some people get pleasure from informing others, or offering an alternate point of view to a discussion, the most you can hope for is to be a mild annoyance rather like the motorsport equivalent of viagra spam.

[ioan]

Have you ever made a post that did not criticize Lewis Hamilton?
According to you he is wrong in every situation regardless of fact or circumstance, so why ask a question when you have no interest in hearing the answer unless it coincides with your infantile world view?
However I do get pleasure from your posts, because Hamilton's continued success must bring you great misery and frustration.
And lets face it, its going to last for at least the next decade or so.
Have fun coming up with excuses for the next 10 to 15 years ;)
But then I don't think you'll be around for that long will you? because you're not really a fan of anything, you're just one of those tedious little people that only seems to exist on the internet, voicing pointless opinions that no one cares about. some people get pleasure from informing others, or offering an alternate point of view to a discussion, the most you can hope for is to be a mild annoyance rather like the motorsport equivalent of viagra spam.

:rolleyes:
he's got the right to express his opinion, and he wasn't calling you names either. :down:

[Bradley]

Have you ever [bla bla bla] viagra spam.

Wow, congratulations for that masterpiece of a post ...

I'm a motorsportfan since I was about 10 years old, and that's more then 30 years ago now. I have raced, and know what I'm talking about, don't know about you ...

But when I see some things that happen with this guy, I wonder if I'm the only one seeing it, so that's why I check on this forum.

Further, I enjoy the competitiveness this season, I admit I have a light bias towards Massa winning the championship, but that's my personal opinion. I also think Spa is a great track, and today showed a great race.

But, imo, how Hamilton kept Kimi behind, was not fair, and I'm quite sure, it was over the limit of the rules. Hope the stewards think about it the same, otherwise this opens doors for more unfair moves in the future.

And ... don't hope ... I will remain a motorsport fan for the rest of my life.

[markabilly]

Wow,

But, imo, how Hamilton kept Kimi behind, was not fair, and I'm quite sure, it was over the limit of the rules. Hope the stewards think about it the same, otherwise this opens doors for more unfair moves in the future.

And ... don't hope ... I will remain a motorsport fan for the rest of my life.


If the track had been dry, I would probably agree, but in those conditions with those tires.....well, what a mess.

[BoilerIMS]

After passing Raikonen, Hamilton changed his line 4 times on the straight after the Radillon. Only 1 change is allowed.

Does he play with other rules??

Changing lines is not itself the problem - it is whether changing lines is being used to disrupt another driver's approach. Raikkonen was too far back to overtake on the Kemel straight - Hamilton was weaving to break any slipstream he might provide otherwise. If he had run in a straight line, Raikkonen would likely have towed right up to Hamilton. Breaking the slipstream is a valid defense.

[wmcot]

Have you ever made a post that did not criticize Lewis Hamilton?
According to you he is wrong in every situation regardless of fact or circumstance, so why ask a question when you have no interest in hearing the answer unless it coincides with your infantile world view?
However I do get pleasure from your posts, because Hamilton's continued success must bring you great misery and frustration.
And lets face it, its going to last for at least the next decade or so.
Have fun coming up with excuses for the next 10 to 15 years ;)
But then I don't think you'll be around for that long will you? because you're not really a fan of anything, you're just one of those tedious little people that only seems to exist on the internet, voicing pointless opinions that no one cares about. some people get pleasure from informing others, or offering an alternate point of view to a discussion, the most you can hope for is to be a mild annoyance rather like the motorsport equivalent of viagra spam.

Sounds like Bradley touched somebody's sore spot!!!!

[wmcot]

If the track had been dry, I would probably agree, but in those conditions with those tires.....well, what a mess.

This is not to criticize markabilly, but on numerous posts, people mention things like "if the track had been dry'" or "because it was wet." Did I miss the part where the rules aren't enforced when it rains? Or are there different rules for overtaking/chicane cutting for wet conditions?

[ioan]

This is not to criticize markabilly, but on numerous posts, people mention things like "if the track had been dry'" or "because it was wet." Did I miss the part where the rules aren't enforced when it rains? Or are there different rules for overtaking/chicane cutting for wet conditions?

Markabilly is just twisting the reality to suit his views. he's been reading a certain book way to much, me thinks.

[pino]

Let's quit personal comments/attacks thank you !

[Corny]

After passing Raikonen, Hamilton changed his line 4 times on the straight after the Radillon. Only 1 change is allowed.

Does he play with other rules??
The fact that they made that rule, show how pathetic F1 is nowadays IMO

[MrJan]

Anyone see when Hamilton passed Kimi? Raikonen made a number of moves across the track. Bearing in mind Ferrari complain about everything but didn't with this I think it shows that they are well aware that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[PolePosition_1]

After passing Raikonen, Hamilton changed his line 4 times on the straight after the Radillon. Only 1 change is allowed.

Does he play with other rules??

I didn't notice Hamilton do this. Though I noticed Kimi do this into La Source defending against Hamilton.

Though I checked this up and apparently its not a rule, its purely a gentlemans agreement.

[SivoxII]

Yeah, I don't see any issues with the passing in the rain, such frantic times and trying to keep the car on the track etc. I would totally understand in dry optimum conditions, if this type of maneuver was carried out.

[Garry Walker]

About as many moves as Kimi made defending against Lewis initially.

Did you actually see the race?

[elinagr]

the best race ever!! let the english bous celebrate then show them the finger! thats the way i like it

[Knock-on]

Did you actually see the race?

Actually, I watched the race and cannot picture what people are going on about.

Anyone got a video?

[ShiftingGears]

Anyone got a video?

+1

[Bradley]

If he had run in a straight line, Raikkonen would likely have towed right up to Hamilton. Breaking the slipstream is a valid defense.

If it is a valid defence, why isn't then the whole field acting like this on every straight line?



Though I checked this up and apparently its not a rule, its purely a gentlemans agreement.

This probably explains why Hamilton did not bother to comply with it. :)

[samuratt]

I think it has alot to do with lines for the weather. I didn't see that but maybe your right.....we'll see

Usually when drivers change their line in a straight changing weather conditions is because you ar running with wet tires, the track is half dry and you avoid sometimes the dry line (or the racing line, which is the one that makes you faster) in order to wet the tires so they don't wear out.

I haven't seen any pilot doing the opposite: avoid the racing line to wet your dry and worn tires...

They were clearly fighting. Both of them.

[PolePosition_1]

This probably explains why Hamilton did not bother to comply with it. :)

Haha, same goes to Kimi I suppose ;)

[Knock-on]

If it is a valid defence, why isn't then the whole field acting like this on every straight line?




This probably explains why Hamilton did not bother to comply with it. :)


Acting like what, comply with what?

Can you please post a link to this heinous crime you're referring too.

Think I might start a thread saying "Max ate my cat" and debate what a nasty thing it was.

[Bradley]

Acting like what, comply with what?

Keep trying, one day you will understand. :)

[Bradley]

I think it has alot to do with lines for the weather. I didn't see that but maybe your right.....we'll see


Hamilton was weaving to break any slipstream he might provide otherwise. If he had run in a straight line, Raikkonen would likely have towed right up to Hamilton. Breaking the slipstream is a valid defense.

There were a few opportunities today to check this point of view in Monza, especially when Hamilton was overtaking other drivers while he was low on fuel : nobody changed lines more then once, Imo all drivers showed great sportsmanship.

To thank his colleagues for their gentlemanlike way of driving, two attempts to pass Hamilton (by Glock and by Webber) were blocked off in a typical dirty "Hamilton"-way.

Laps later, Glock passed Rosberg on the same spot, without being pushed of the road.

Am I the only one seeing it this way?