[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can someone please give me a current summary of the rumours for who could go where in 2014 ?

Many thanks.

[skarderud]

ØSTBERG: Mads Østberg confirms talks with Citroën Racing, Hyundai WRC and M-Sport for 2014:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.revistascratch.com%2Fwrc%2Fnoti cia%2Fostberg-necesito-recuperar-la-confianza-perdida-15396

Mads to Citroen may make sense, especially if what I hear about their driver line up is true, (a circuit racer and a south Europe tarmac specialist) Mads would give them a chance in Sweden, plus Citroen 2014 will require some additional finance. ;) and lets face it Morten hasnt had good value from his sons first year as a works driver.

He hasn't, but that's not M-Sport's fault.


well, halfway it is. lets say its 50% mads and 50% M-sports fault. its been way to much technical trubble for mads and jonas this season that it can be all theire fault. that wheels fell of is most certain drivers fault, waterpumps, electronic faults and similiar bugs is hardly drivers fault.

[Doon]

Mads hasn't had great pace this year either! He's been overshadowed by the man in the 'support team', Neuville.

[amilk]

Can someone please give me a current summary of the rumours for who could go where in 2014 ?

Many thanks.

Grönholm and Loeb will not return (in 2014)- out of this everything possible and the opposite also. :lips:

[Mirek]

Hybrids may be OK in circuits, including LeMans, but I wouldnt want to be in a crash in a stage withh all that stored electrical energy and fire risks. KERS runs very hot, imagine going off the road and have a KERS fire. No thanks.

I would be mainly afraid of a crash into the water.

[Rallyper]

Mads hasn't had great pace this year either! He's been overshadowed by the man in the 'support team', Neuville.

"Support team" is wrong. Three solitaire drivers have each driven this year at Ford, taking care of their own businesses in the first place, and with no or at least almost none management from MW. He´s only team leader collecting the rental money.

[stefanvv]

http://www.wrc.com/news/paddon-theres-a-lot-of-pressure/?fid=19269

[Mintexmemory]

Can someone please give me a current summary of the rumours for who could go where in 2014 ?

Many thanks.

Grönholm and Loeb will not return (in 2014)- out of this everything possible and the opposite also. :lips:

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Can someone please give me a current summary of the rumours for who could go where in 2014 ?

Many thanks.

Grönholm and Loeb will not return (in 2014)- out of this everything possible and the opposite also. :lips:

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

No wonder I was confused ... guess its just a case of wait and see.. :rolleyes:

[tfp]

Can someone please give me a current summary of the rumours for who could go where in 2014 ?

Many thanks.

Grönholm and Loeb will not return (in 2014)- out of this everything possible and the opposite also. :lips:

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

Then Latvala needs to start delivering, or Mikkelsen will overtake him.

[focus206]

Then Latvala needs to start delivering, or Mikkelsen will overtake him.
Mikkelsen will overtake him? I'd say Andreas would need to start delivering first...

[DonJippo]

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

Apart these three everyone else waits what Neuville does after that it's Mikko and then the others in random order.

[Mintexmemory]

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

Then Latvala needs to start delivering, or Mikkelsen will overtake him.

Remind me, apart from Les Sebs who else has won a WRC event in 2013?

[EightGear]

Ogier, Latvala and Mikkelsen to stay put other than that every seat is the subject of musical chairs (when the music stops....)

Then Latvala needs to start delivering, or Mikkelsen will overtake him.

Remind me, apart from Les Sebs who else has won a WRC event in 2013?

Sordo

[NxOxT]

LOL...

but he is right Mikkelsen has a few years still until he matches Latvalas pace consistently... Although the previous year he was very close to Ogiers times with the s2000 and that shows that the difference between the cars is rather big.

[andyone]

LOL...

but he is right Mikkelsen has a few years still until he matches Latvalas pace consistently... Although the previous year he was very close to Ogiers times with the s2000 and that shows that the difference between the cars is rather big.
that is why i cant wait to See Robert Kubica in a WRC spec Car. before i cant have more hopes.. they are totaly different cars.

[Mintexmemory]

Remind me, apart from Les Sebs who else has won a WRC event in 2013?

Sordo

:dork: (...and I was at Rally Deutschland to see it!!!)
Ok apart from Les Sebs and Danito's last chance - who else has won a WRC event in 2013? (a bit like 'What have the Romans ever done for us?')

Anyway 8G you coming over to Wales to see how Hans and Bjorn do in the DS3 3RT showdown?

[A FONDO]

(a bit like 'What have the Romans ever done for us?')
:D :D :D

[EightGear]

Remind me, apart from Les Sebs who else has won a WRC event in 2013?

Sordo

Anyway 8G you coming over to Wales to see how Hans and Bjorn do in the DS3 3RT showdown?

He entered!? Nice surprise and thanks for telling me.:D


Edit: wait a minute... Do we know if it's Weijs jr. or sr?

Edit 2: It's jr. Good!

[Jack4688`]

Remind me, apart from Les Sebs who else has won a WRC event in 2013?

Sordo

:dork: (...and I was at Rally Deutschland to see it!!!)
Ok apart from Les Sebs and Danito's last chance - who else has won a WRC event in 2013? (a bit like 'What have the Romans ever done for us?')

Anyway 8G you coming over to Wales to see how Hans and Bjorn do in the DS3 3RT showdown?

Latvala

[Mintexmemory]

[Latvala

Correctamundo, give the man a ceegar! ( :disturb: at last!)

[Bartolbia84]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 8181_n.jpg (https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996954_496353693796553_870158181_n.jpg)

[rallyfun]

Five drives in consideration for Citroen drive in 2014-Hirvonen, Sordo, Kubica, Ostberg, Meeke according to Matton.

[NxOxT]

Five drives in consideration for Citroen drive in 2014-Hirvonen, Sordo, Kubica, Ostberg, Meeke according to Matton.

he who brings the most will drive... Citroen are not a proper manufacturer since 2013.

[scn]

he who brings the most will drive...
And some say that he has signed since the end of July.

[Ucci]

LOL...

that is why i cant wait to See Robert Kubica in a WRC spec Car. before i cant have more hopes.. they are totaly different cars.

Not quite good comparison-S2000 is one big step under WRC car, Kubica's RRC is almost a WRC. Apart minor changes the car handles like proper WRC, so Kubica will have no excuse....

[Mirek]

LOL...

that is why i cant wait to See Robert Kubica in a WRC spec Car. before i cant have more hopes.. they are totaly different cars.

Not quite good comparison-S2000 is one big step under WRC car, Kubica's RRC is almost a WRC. Apart minor changes the car handles like proper WRC, so Kubica will have no excuse....

S2000 and WRC rules are ABSOLUTELY same except engine, aerodynamics and few details. For example drivetrain or suspension rules are same. There is no reason for both to be significantly different to drive besides the fact that WRC is somewhat faster.

[A FONDO]

Citroen are not a proper manufacturer since 2013.
Why? Just because the unshaved doesn't drive for them anymore? http://forum.2108.kiev.ua/style_emoticons/2108pack/pod_stolom.gif

[Karukera]

Latvala

Yep, a win is a win even when Latvala picks up Ogier's Polo pieces in Greece.

[Mintexmemory]

he who brings the most will drive...
And some say that he has signed since the end of July.

This is all too cryptic !Are we sure we are all talking about the same 'He'? However if informed opinion says that this is the shortlist and the deciding factor will be cash, then a Kubica / Ostberg ticket looks to be the most likely imv.

[BleAivano]

It seems that 2014's Rally Sweden will be the last Swedish WRC rally for many many years.

According to this article Rally Sweden have to sign the three year contract before the end of this month
and pay the new fee if they want to stay in the WRC for 2015-2017.Otherwise they will be dropped and
replaced by a Russian WRC Rally.

http://www.bilsport.se/artikel/rally-sw ... l-just-nu/ (http://www.bilsport.se/artikel/rally-sweden-ligger-mycket-illa-till-just-nu/)

[dimviii]

Citroen are not a proper manufacturer since 2013.
Why? Just because the unshaved doesn't drive for them anymore? http://forum.2108.kiev.ua/style_emoticons/2108pack/pod_stolom.gif

http://s18.postimg.org/oct1lea2d/pill_bottle.jpg?noCache=1382524650

[makinen_fan]

A message from Micha? Ko?ciuszko in his facebook:

Unfortunately I will not drive the rally car till the end of the season. Injury form Germany is more serious. I'm furious with this but I need to think long-term.
Now it's time for rehabilitation, so I can be 100% ready for rallying at the and of the year...

[dimviii]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/neuv ... 5c19f01e62 (http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/neuville-aime-hyundai-525e2dc83570225c19f01e62)

[kober]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/neuville-aime-hyundai-525e2dc83570225c19f01e62
Qatar following Neuville to Hyundai would be a disaster for M-Sport's WRC program. Just for their sake, I hope the Belgian will stay with Wilson's team.

[dimviii]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/neuville-aime-hyundai-525e2dc83570225c19f01e62
Qatar following Neuville to Hyundai would be a disaster for M-Sport's WRC program. Just for their sake, I hope the Belgian will stay with Wilson's team.

for sure Neuville is not on an easy position to decide.Each team has their + and -
Hyundai= how good will be the 2014 i20, when at middle 2014 will prepare the new 2015 model which will have enough rally life 3+years?Will the 2015 model will be up at fiesta/ds3/polo level?
Ford= will they have budget enough to evolute the fiesta for 2-3 years more? About salary vs hyundai? for sure enough millions less than hyundai.
Citroen seems that is out of Neuvilles likes.

Another point we have to think is that Neuville we haven t got a clear rally from him without big mistakes.I want to see him at top place without mistakes and be lucky to finish.
For sure now keeps at his hands the game,but his decision is very difficult because there is not the clearly ''right'' decision.

[Rallyper]

So MW doesn´t have an own agreement with Quatar himself? I do Believe he has, because of all the other cars having Quatar stickers. So unless Neuvill stays or leaves MW should be benefitted in some way? Or contract maybe for a year only (2013)?

[Karukera]

Not sure if Qatar Ford and Qatar MSport run in the same business agreement.

[dimviii]

http://www.sport24.com/auto-moto/rallye ... tes-659198 (http://www.sport24.com/auto-moto/rallye/actualites/matton-on-discute-avec-cinq-pilotes-659198)

[scn]

This is all too cryptic !Are we sure we are all talking about the same 'He'? However if informed opinion says that this is the shortlist and the deciding factor will be cash, then a Kubica / Ostberg ticket looks to be the most likely imv.
This is the "he":

http://www.sport24.com/auto-moto/rallye/actualites/matton-on-discute-avec-cinq-pilotes-659198


By the way, if all countries had the common sense that Swedes have, WRC would be much better the years to come.

[noel157]

Interesting interview with Matton......

[noel157]

http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/neuville-aime-hyundai-525e2dc83570225c19f01e62


Another point we have to think is that Neuville we haven t got a clear rally from him without big mistakes.I want to see him at top place without mistakes and be lucky to finish.
For sure now keeps at his hands the game,but his decision is very difficult because there is not the clearly ''right'' decision.

I wonder if Neuville's move is because he thinks they is little left in the Fiesta? Having to drive at 11/10ths to challenge Ogier can't be ideal, as well as the risk involved.
Can see the attraction of Hyundai, new team, big budget and gets to be top dog. Maybe a year of testing about in the current model but with 2015 and a new car he'll feel like Ogier...

Bet Papa Wilson wishes he put a 3 yr contract under Neuville's pen.........

[NxOxT]

Drivers have as number one priority one thing only... MONEY... In the star trek universe some of you live in maybe you think that they care about being competitive and that romantic sunset things but in a sport like rallying and especially nowadays where there are very few drivers who even getting payed the number one priority IS and WILL BE money... there in not a single driver in the history of motorsport that went for performance over money.

If Hyundai pays Neuvile he will go there and he will do the right thing for himself.

[scn]

Drivers have as number one priority one thing only... MONEY... In the star trek universe some of you live in maybe you think that they care about being competitive and that romantic sunset things but in a sport like rallying and especially nowadays where there are very few drivers who even getting payed the number one priority IS and WILL BE money... there in not a single driver in the history of motorsport that went for performance over money.

If Hyundai pays Neuvile he will go there and he will do the right thing for himself.
It is obvious you have never driven a rally car and you have never paid thousands of euros to get 5 extra bhp or find the best set-up for your suspension. If you think that there is one rally driver on earth that puts money above being competitive, I suggest you change sport. Chasing money is a very low level activity. Let bankers, politicians and other reptiles do it. Rally drivers are not that low.

[Karukera]

Solgerg got stuck with Subaru for money only and that's exactly what drove him to the dead end of his career.
Not to mention, ironically, what it eventually cost him to be unemployed.

Neuville is young and talented, he can afford a couple of years hiatus even if the I20 turns out to be an average car.

[amilk]

Usually good money and the good car not far from eachother ( maybe some shifting in time)

[amilk]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110819

If it is so then the next year WRC title will be VW home play.
Hope MW fighting for Thierry

[noel157]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110819

If it is so then the next year WRC title will be VW home play.
Hope MW fighting for Thierry

Think MW has lost the battle...

[rage82]

Another rumour about Thierry from twitter: WRC breaking: sources, Belgian, Thierry Neuville to decide next week on €2m-plus 3-yr deal at newcomers, Hyundai

Definately the temptation is heavy!

[Mintexmemory]

Another rumour about Thierry from twitter: WRC breaking: sources, Belgian, Thierry Neuville to decide next week on €2m-plus 3-yr deal at newcomers, Hyundai

Definately the temptation is heavy!
Interesting what a change in his status has occurred this year. Hanninen as no 2? or will they use a string of no. 2s?

[nafpaktos]

Drivers have as number one priority one thing only... MONEY... In the star trek universe some of you live in maybe you think that they care about being competitive and that romantic sunset things but in a sport like rallying and especially nowadays where there are very few drivers who even getting payed the number one priority IS and WILL BE money... there in not a single driver in the history of motorsport that went for performance over money.

If Hyundai pays Neuvile he will go there and he will do the right thing for himself.
It is obvious you have never driven a rally car and you have never paid thousands of euros to get 5 extra bhp or find the best set-up for your suspension. If you think that there is one rally driver on earth that puts money above being competitive, I suggest you change sport. Chasing money is a very low level activity. Let bankers, politicians and other reptiles do it. Rally drivers are not that low.

[rage82]

Another rumour about Thierry from twitter: WRC breaking: sources, Belgian, Thierry Neuville to decide next week on €2m-plus 3-yr deal at newcomers, Hyundai

Definately the temptation is heavy!
Interesting what a change in his status has occurred this year. Hanninen as no 2? or will they use a string of no. 2s?
Nandan himself has said in interview on iRally that they will have probably more than 2 drivers next year, so I guess they will use maybe 2 or 3 drivers as no. 2

[NxOxT]

Drivers have as number one priority one thing only... MONEY... In the star trek universe some of you live in maybe you think that they care about being competitive and that romantic sunset things but in a sport like rallying and especially nowadays where there are very few drivers who even getting payed the number one priority IS and WILL BE money... there in not a single driver in the history of motorsport that went for performance over money.

If Hyundai pays Neuvile he will go there and he will do the right thing for himself.
It is obvious you have never driven a rally car and you have never paid thousands of euros to get 5 extra bhp or find the best set-up for your suspension. If you think that there is one rally driver on earth that puts money above being competitive, I suggest you change sport. Chasing money is a very low level activity. Let bankers, politicians and other reptiles do it. Rally drivers are not that low.

when you are an amateur nobody yes...

when you in the top league NO... name a driver that opted for performance over money...

[A FONDO]

Another rumour about Thierry from twitter: WRC breaking: sources, Belgian, Thierry Neuville to decide next week on €2m-plus 3-yr deal at newcomers, Hyundai

Definately the temptation is heavy!
Interesting what a change in his status has occurred this year. Hanninen as no 2? or will they use a string of no. 2s?
Nandan himself has said in interview on iRally that they will have probably more than 2 drivers next year, so I guess they will use maybe 2 or 3 drivers as no. 2
more than 2 cars or more than two drivers?





It is obvious you have never driven a rally car and you have never paid thousands of euros to get 5 extra bhp or find the best set-up for your suspension. If you think that there is one rally driver on earth that puts money above being competitive, I suggest you change sport. Chasing money is a very low level activity. Let bankers, politicians and other reptiles do it. Rally drivers are not that low.

when you are an amateur nobody yes...

when you in the top league NO... name a driver that opted for performance over money...
Ogier

[focus206]

more than 2 cars or more than two drivers?


2 cars for more than 2 drivers.

[NxOxT]

[/quote]
Ogier[/quote]

Ogier left because of the Loeb/Quesnel/Citroen feud... nothing to do with money/performance.

[A FONDO]

what left? I am talking about decision to stay in 2011

[dimviii]

Ogier left because of the Loeb/Quesnel/Citroen feud... nothing to do with money/performance.

Ogier earned much more money from vw vs citroen.Wasnt the main reason,but he gained much more money.

[dimviii]

what left? I am talking about decision to stay in 2011

you mean that Ford did an offer with bigger sallary?

[rage82]

more than 2 cars or more than two drivers?


2 cars for more than 2 drivers.
Yes, he means more than 2 drivers to drive the second car.

[NxOxT]

what left? I am talking about decision to stay in 2011

did he have any other offers that were better than citroen ?? Citroen had the biggest budget until VW came...

[NxOxT]

Slowson i care about you... you are a different person after all the ridicule the unshaved one imposed on you all these years...

let it go man... he cannot hurt you anymore... the nightmare is over... i promise.

[nafpaktos]

Drivers have as number one priority one thing only... MONEY... In the star trek universe some of you live in maybe you think that they care about being competitive and that romantic sunset things but in a sport like rallying and especially nowadays where there are very few drivers who even getting payed the number one priority IS and WILL BE money... there in not a single driver in the history of motorsport that went for performance over money.

If Hyundai pays Neuvile he will go there and he will do the right thing for himself.
It is obvious you have never driven a rally car and you have never paid thousands of euros to get 5 extra bhp or find the best set-up for your suspension. If you think that there is one rally driver on earth that puts money above being competitive, I suggest you change sport. Chasing money is a very low level activity. Let bankers, politicians and other reptiles do it. Rally drivers are not that low.
@NOT dont make general rules.i must remind you that ayrton manifested in public that he was willing to drive for williams without getting paid in order to had the same car with prost in1993.Need greater example?please read some history!

@scn you think that all drivers think the way you think.if someone is an amateur then yes performance is only that counts but when rallying racing is your occupation you think in a different way.remember kimi when he stayed out of the f1 championsip in order to take the whole compensation from ferrari while he was having offers from other teams.I must say i dont like your approach about other people's thoughts.for you someone must have spent a respectable amount of money to have right opinion-perception about the sport. For you Only by spending money to evolve and fine-tune your car you have right perception about the sport.I think this is a big insult for all funs(including me)SORRY i dont have the financial ability to be a driver and spend money for evolving and fine-tuning(thats why i still remain fun- not of our domestic championsip of course because i dont have the level to judje the greek drivers thats why the spectators to the greek championships are other drivers).if i had the financial ability then i would be rally driver but unfortunatelly i dont.Its obvious that for you right perception goes hand by hand with money.

[NxOxT]

@NOT dont make general rules.i must remind you that ayrton manifested in public that he was willing to drive for williams without getting paid in order to had the same car with prost in1993.Need greater example?please read some history!


saying is different from doing... of course no driver admits that they go for money, but the truth is there, and everyone does it

money is what makes the world go around unfortunatelly...

and do not bring ladyboy sports into rallying it makes me sick...

[A FONDO]

you are a different person after all
You want to say you can make a comparison because you know me from before it all started?




what left? I am talking about decision to stay in 2011

you mean that Ford did an offer with bigger sallary?


what left? I am talking about decision to stay in 2011

did he have any other offers that were better than citroen ?? Citroen had the biggest budget until VW came...
Confirmed recently from Quesnel and I remember I heard it from Wilson too. Sure I trust these two team managers instead of fans agonising of nostalgia.

[NxOxT]

Confirmed recently from Quesnel and I remember I heard it from Wilson too. Sure I trust these two team managers instead of fans agonising of nostalgia.

can you provide some proof apart from what you remember ? i have not come across something like that myself maybe i missed it.

[A FONDO]

is this the only you can reply? what proof you want, copy of the written offer? if Quesnel lied, why nobody has yet showed up to say it?

and if you didn't see that, perhaps you were too busy in your bedroom with some multimedia of loeb at that time.

[NxOxT]

is this the only you can reply? what proof you want, copy of the written offer? if Quesnel lied, why nobody has yet showed up to say it?

and if you didn't see that, perhaps you were too busy in your bedroom with some multimedia of loeb at that time.

no i do not need the written offer, i need a source/interview of quesnel and wilson saying that.

[makinen_fan]

Did Quesnel say anything about money? He said that Ogier had a contract with Ford ready to be signed but Ogier wanted to stay at Citroen provided that Loeb was not clear No1. No mention of money if I am not mistaken.

[NxOxT]

i only found this one...but no mention of more money.

http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-consideri ... ?fid=13188 (http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-considering-ford-switch-for-2011/?fid=13188)

[NxOxT]

Did Quesnel say anything about money? He said that Ogier had a contract with Ford ready to be signed but Ogier wanted to stay at Citroen provided that Loeb was not clear No1. No mention of money if I am not mistaken.

that was in 2012.. Slowson refers to 2011 season i think.

[makinen_fan]

i only found this one...but no mention of more money.

http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-consideri ... ?fid=13188 (http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-considering-ford-switch-for-2011/?fid=13188)

There is a recent (1-2 weeks old) interview with Quensel, that is probably what Slowson talks about

[A FONDO]

if you know about that interview, why do you ask anything more? you didn't read it all? you didn't understand it all?

[NxOxT]

http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/16/not- ... stien-loeb (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/10/16/not-everybody-is-a-fan-of-sebastien-loeb)

if you refer to this one it doesn't say that the offer was greater than Citroens...

[NxOxT]

if you know about that interview, why do you ask anything more? you didn't read it all? you didn't understand it all?

does it say anything about more money at ford ???

[A FONDO]

http://www.sport365.fr/auto-moto/rallye ... 7141.shtml (http://www.sport365.fr/auto-moto/rallye/quesnel-loeb-a-impose-qu-ogier-quitte-citroen-1067141.shtml)

here is the original interview. now I see maxrally retold his words a bit different, I read it from another site in another lingo but let somebody french-speaking say exactly what it means:


En regardant la dernière page, je me suis rendu compte que c’était un contrat plus que conséquent et je lui ai répondu que c’était malheureux mais que je ne pouvais pas suivre. A partir de là, je lui ai dit qu’il était dommage qu’il nous quitte alors qu’on avait tout commencé ensemble. Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent mais à une condition : qu’il puisse avoir sa chance, être champion du monde et ne pas recevoir de consigne dès la première course. La direction m’a alors confié que c’était ok donc on a rapidement trouvé un accord financier. Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.

[NxOxT]

again no mention that the ford offered more money... quite probably the two offers were close and Ogier of course would like to stay with the team he was in and was a winner with...

My argument is that NOBODY has refused a bigger contract in favor of a better car.

[Barreis]

http://www.wrc.com/news/its-hyundai-or- ... ?fid=19281 (http://www.wrc.com/news/its-hyundai-or-m-sport-for-neuville/?fid=19281)

[Rallyper]

It´s obvious that TN has to stay at Ford. Now when Citroen negotiations has stopped there´s no alternative for him next year.
To Hyundai is way too hazardous.

[NxOxT]

It´s obvious that TN has to stay at Ford. Now when Citroen negotiations has stopped there´s no alternative for him next year.
To Hyundai is way too hazardous.

judging from the first few videos yes... but in the long run maybe not so hazardous.

[Rallyper]

No one knows how the long run will develope for Hyundai. But - maybe the only way of measure the car is to put a as good driver as possible on the market in the car. At the moment that should be TN. However my choice had been easy...

[dimviii]

http://www.sport365.fr/auto-moto/rallye/quesnel-loeb-a-impose-qu-ogier-quitte-citroen-1067141.shtml

here is the original interview. now I see maxrally retold his words a bit different, I read it from another site in another lingo but let somebody french-speaking say exactly what it means:


En regardant la dernière page, je me suis rendu compte que c’était un contrat plus que conséquent et je lui ai répondu que c’était malheureux mais que je ne pouvais pas suivre. A partir de là, je lui ai dit qu’il était dommage qu’il nous quitte alors qu’on avait tout commencé ensemble. Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent mais à une condition : qu’il puisse avoir sa chance, être champion du monde et ne pas recevoir de consigne dès la première course. La direction m’a alors confié que c’était ok donc on a rapidement trouvé un accord financier. Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.

cant find where Ford offer was better from Citroen one.

[NxOxT]

http://www.sport365.fr/auto-moto/rallye/quesnel-loeb-a-impose-qu-ogier-quitte-citroen-1067141.shtml

here is the original interview. now I see maxrally retold his words a bit different, I read it from another site in another lingo but let somebody french-speaking say exactly what it means:


En regardant la dernière page, je me suis rendu compte que c’était un contrat plus que conséquent et je lui ai répondu que c’était malheureux mais que je ne pouvais pas suivre. A partir de là, je lui ai dit qu’il était dommage qu’il nous quitte alors qu’on avait tout commencé ensemble. Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent mais à une condition : qu’il puisse avoir sa chance, être champion du monde et ne pas recevoir de consigne dès la première course. La direction m’a alors confié que c’était ok donc on a rapidement trouvé un accord financier. Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.

cant find where Ford offer was better from Citroen one.

Star trek universe stuff...

[A FONDO]

Do you speak french? I don't and I got a trnaslation that says: "I am sorry we cant respond to this offer" - which obviously means the salary Ford suggested is bigger than what Citroen can afford.

[dimviii]

contracts have some more things than only salaries,and we dont know what else was inside(personal sponsors,how many years,testing time ,No1 etc)

[A FONDO]

yes, and what about the rest: Il m’a dit qu’il souhaitait rester, que ce n’était pas qu’une affaire d’argent" and "Ça prouve que c’est un bon gars qui ne roule pas que pour l’argent.

[NxOxT]

From the interview you can assume that the ford deal was better but again you do not know how much better, probably quite close to the citroen one since it mentioned they reached a financial agreement quite quickly afterwards. Plus it is Quesnel speaking here...not exactly the most objective guy around.

[A FONDO]

They reached a financial agreement because Ogier didn't want more money than what Citroen offered. He only wanted a promise he will be on equal terms, not servant like Sordo or sabotaged like Duval.

If Quesnel is not credible, who would be more objective for you? loeb?

[dimviii]

They reached a financial agreement because Ogier didn't want more money than what Citroen offered. He only wanted a promise he will be on equal terms, not servant like Sordo or sabotaged like Duval.

If Quesnel is not credible, who would be more objective for you? loeb?

we have to increase the dosage.Dont worry.

http://s18.postimg.org/vssb76xrt/pill_bottle.jpg

[Mintexmemory]

My French girlfriend has read it and the idiomatic sense of the first sentence is definitely referring to more money. Quesnel was surprised by it (the amount) and 'couldn't match it' (most accurate translation). The Ogier haters won't like it but there it is, he was promised equal status so stayed at Citroen for less money. No wonder he drove into the wall at Great Orme, this year he'll be waving at the masonry as he wins WRGB ;)

[Mintexmemory]

Plus it is Quesnel speaking here...not exactly the most objective guy around.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :stareup:

[A FONDO]

deep silence has come over

[NxOxT]

They reached a financial agreement because Ogier didn't want more money than what Citroen offered. He only wanted a promise he will be on equal terms, not servant like Sordo or sabotaged like Duval.

If Quesnel is not credible, who would be more objective for you? loeb?

well in the same interview you can see how objective Quesnel is when he is asked which of the sebs he means and he says for me there is only one...

i am not saying he is lying but for sure i highly doubt that the offer from Ford was much different... if there was a difference in the first place that is. In my understanding Ford offered ogier No1 status and citroen could not follow..

The bottom line remains... there is no evidence that the money from ford were that many (even from a logical point of view Citroen was the big daddy back then in budget terms) and Ogier refused them.

[dimviii]

deep silence has come over

when somebody believes that Ford can make a better offer than Citroen the years when Latvala was driving with his pocket,and Mikko was earning some 500.000 per year,you have to be silent.No worth to continue the discuss.Mikko this year when Citroen has less budget from previous years is earning 3 millions.Figure out.....

[A FONDO]

guys, are you masohists?

In my understanding Ford offered ogier No1 status
this is what says the link from wrc.com that you digged:

But if Ogier does make the jump to the blue oval, it won't be at the expense of current drivers Mikko Hirvonen or Jari-Matti Latvala. "I want to make it very clear that Mikko and Jari-Matti will still be the main drivers at the BP Ford Abu Dhabi team for 2011," added Wilson. "We're looking at other ways to incorporate him [Ogier] but we're not in a position to disclose those just yet."

[dimviii]

But if Ogier does make the jump to the blue oval, it won't be at the expense of current drivers Mikko Hirvonen or Jari-Matti Latvala. "I want to make it very clear that Mikko and Jari-Matti will still be the main drivers at the BP Ford Abu Dhabi team for 2011," added Wilson. "We're looking at other ways to incorporate him [Ogier] but we're not in a position to disclose those just yet."

yeah right,Mikko and Latvala main drivers(one for free,and the other with some 500k) and Ogier not No1 and with better salary from Citroen, at years with no problem about budget. :laugh:
is it clear for you now that Quesnel is not reliable?

[dimviii]

My French girlfriend has read it and the idiomatic sense of the first sentence is definitely referring to more money. Quesnel was surprised by it (the amount) and 'couldn't match it' (most accurate translation). The Ogier haters won't like it but there it is, he was promised equal status so stayed at Citroen for less money. No wonder he drove into the wall at Great Orme, this year he'll be waving at the masonry as he wins WRGB ;)

i only see some trying to make Ogier a hero,while he dont need it. ;)

[A FONDO]

yeah right,Mikko and Latvala main drivers(one for free,and the other with some 500k) and Ogier not No1 and with better salary from Citroen
the salary depends on many things. In F1 the current 4-time consecutive champion gets twice less money than a guy whose last titles was in 2006 and the same money as another guy who has won only 2-3 races in his life (zero when he signed that contract)

[NxOxT]

yes but the F1 ladyboys you mention they are in different teams...

There are too many contradictions in the words of Quesnel... I mean Dim is right how can it be possible Wilson to offer more money than Citroen (that had a bigger budget) to a guy who would be his 3rd driver ??? it makes no sense...just like Mr Quesnel... he probably is bitter either because is is bald and ugly or a failure wherever he went...so he just inflates things.

[dimviii]

yeah right,Mikko and Latvala main drivers(one for free,and the other with some 500k) and Ogier not No1 and with better salary from Citroen
the salary depends on many things. In F1 the current 4-time consecutive champion gets twice less money than a guy whose last titles was in 2006 and the same money as another guy who has won only 2-3 races in his life (zero when he signed that contract)

if Malcolm was reading this will laugh to tears :laugh: :laugh: .Dont continue this,you are not going to make anyone to believe it.
money at f1, has nothing common with M-sport 3rd driver.
Dont try to make Ogier a hero.He really don t need it.
And take your pills.

[dimviii]

it makes no sense...just like Mr Quesnel... he probably is bitter either because is is bald and ugly or a failure wherever he went...so he just inflates things.

after his exit from Citroen racing team manager position,and previous manager interviews, he is trying to make himself dont look so silly.While Fréquelin could manage drivers such McRae/Sainz,with dogfights from previous team(Ford) Quesnel f@#$ed Citroen and Ogier.No wonder why neither vw and Hyundai asked for his services with so many championships at his days.Instead at Hyundai they preffered Penasse who was under Quesnel.

[A FONDO]

yes but the F1 ladyboys you mention they are in different teams...

There are too many contradictions in the words of Quesnel... I mean Dim is right how can it be possible Wilson to offer more money than Citroen (that had a bigger budget) to a guy who would be his 3rd driver ??? it makes no sense...okay one more comparison, vettel's salary is only 1 million (9%) bigger than his titleless teammate who has won only 9 races for about 15 years.
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Perhaps Wilson had some sponsorship contracts or other agreements that didn't let him get rid of Latvala and Hirvonen. It is understandable to want to steal from Citroen one exceptional driver for whom it is reasonable to spend big money (for JML and MH it is not. he saves from their salaries because he can but doesn't mean he can't give more). remember Hirvo's contract was expiring at the end of 2011 - one more reason to try to keep Ogier close at any cost.


p.s. M-sport's contract was also expiring at the end of 2011 so giving huge salary to Ogier is investment for Malcolm to later negotiate for more money from Ford if he show them he finally has a proper driver

[NxOxT]

yes but the F1 ladyboys you mention they are in different teams...

There are too many contradictions in the words of Quesnel... I mean Dim is right how can it be possible Wilson to offer more money than Citroen (that had a bigger budget) to a guy who would be his 3rd driver ??? it makes no sense...okay one more comparison, vettel's salary is only 1 million (9%) bigger than his titleless teammate who has won only 9 races for about 15 years.
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Perhaps Wilson had some sponsorship contracts or other agreements that didn't let him get rid of Latvala and Hirvonen. It is understandable to want to steal from Citroen one exceptional driver for whom it is reasonable to spend big money (for JML and MH it is not. he saves from their salaries because he can but doesn't mean he can't give more). remember Hirvo's contract was expiring at the end of 2011 - one more reason to try to keep Ogier close at any cost.

I find it very hard to believe what you say... I can accept the fact that contracts did not allow Hirvonen or Latvala to go but to pay a driver who would not be able to score points more than the 1-2 and especially more than the team with the highest budget where he would be no 2 ??? no way.

as i said Quesnel probably inflated the whole situation to make Loeb look like the bad link and Ogier the white knight in a situation that cost him his Job.

[dimviii]

Perhaps Wilson had some sponsorship contracts or other agreements that didn't let him get rid of Latvala and Hirvonen. It is understandable to want to steal from Citroen one exceptional driver for whom it is reasonable to spend big money (for JML and MH it is not. he saves from their salaries because he can but doesn't mean he can't give more). remember Hirvo's contract was expiring at the end of 2011 - one more reason to try to keep Ogier close at any cost.. M-sport's contract was also expiring at the end of 2011 so giving huge salary to Ogier is investment for Malcolm to later negotiate for more money from Ford if he show them he finally has a proper driver
Ogiers problem wasn t to move for 3rd driver,and as we saw he didn t want to wait even for one year at Citroen.We ve said it plenty times.

[dimviii]

Even without Neuville: Al-Attiyah plans with M-Sport
Nasser Al-Attiyah leaves Spain on the eve of the rally the cat out of the bag. Conveyor of Thierry Neuville sees his protege in the future with Hyundai and now wants to promote a new talent.
Suddenly Nasser Al-Attiyah was a man in demand Hardly the message had spread in the press that the Arabs would confirm the change of Thierry Neuville more or less, the media pounced on him.

Qatari answered readily, despite the hustle and bustle. "Yes, I've heard that Thierry should have signed with Hyundai. It would be a shame, because this year we have celebrated great successes together with M-Sport and I hope he can get his first win in Spain here, "said Al-Attiyah.

Even if he can not keep at M-Sport's protege, Al-Attiyah wants to remain loyal to the team of Malcolm Wilson and re-invest in new talent.

"The car is competitive and the team is great," said Al-Attiyah. "I want to continue to work together in the coming year with Malcolm Wilson and we could once again offer a young driver a chance. Similar Neuville also Elfyn Evans Hayden Paddon or could in the future by starting with our support. "

The 41-year-old Arab has clear ideas: "The plan would be to downsize the team." With the help of the Qatar-sponsored million M-Sport toying with a three car team. Al-Attiyah even want to go only five to six rallies at the start and share your car with others pilots. On the side of the Juniors Al-Attiyah would like to see an experienced man. Besides Mads Ostberg also the return of Mikko Hirvonen is no longer ruled recently.

But must be confirmed first of the Neuville-exchange. The Belgian smiles and says: "Citroen is no longer an issue. But I signed both by M-Sport as a good offer from Hyundai and still nothing. I will decide after the rally Spain, but in October. "- Which means no later than seven days and this secret is out.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de//rallyes/w ... index.html (http://www.rallye-magazin.de//rallyes/wm/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/10/24/auch-ohne-neuville-al-attiyah-plant-mit-m-sport/index.html)

[stefanvv]

Plus it is Quesnel speaking here...not exactly the most objective guy around.
I think you're right about that, I can't say he is "moral" person judging from Peugeot & Le Mans.

[Leon]

http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-eyes-ful ... ?fid=19283 (http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-eyes-full-season-for-evans/?fid=19283)

Life after Neuville maybe?

[Karukera]

There can also be a life beside Neuville.

[RS]

Mikko is on 3million? No wonder PSA are bankrupt if they throw money around like that.

[dimviii]

Mikko is on 3million? No wonder PSA are bankrupt if they throw money around like that.
have in mind when the contract was signed.

[RS]

Can you remind me? I guess it was before Ford pulled the plug then?

[dimviii]

Can you remind me? I guess it was before Ford pulled the plug then?

before 2+ years everything in Europe was ok,except the lazy Greeks...Citroen didn t look for Abu Dhabi money,Loeb salary was some 12 millions,everything was different.
if this contract was signed before a month for sure the number would be much different.

[RS]

Can you remind me? I guess it was before Ford pulled the plug then?

before 2+ years everything in Europe was ok,except the lazy Greeks...Citroen didn t look for Abu Dhabi money,Loeb salary was some 12 millions,everything was different.
if this contract was signed before a month for sure the number would be much different.

Even so at the time Citroen held all the aces. Ford never looked exactly secure and it was widely thought Citroen had the better car. 3 million seems like a lot, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[dimviii]

http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=35117

if this is true,and Neuville at Hyundai,game over for 2014.

[miniwintz]

Triumph without peril brings no glory. Ogier will have two championship titles and no one will care.

[Mirek]

http://www.rallyracc.com/2013/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARDS_DECISION_NO_2.pdf

According to this funny document Juho is present in Spain for recce. It may mean he has a seat for next season...

[dimviii]

http://www.rallyracc.com/2013/online/tablon/documentos/STEWARDS_DECISION_NO_2.pdf

According to this funny document Juho is present in Spain for recce. It may mean he has a seat for next season...

also Meeke run recce.

[dimviii]

http://www.rally.it/wrc-m-sport-rivuole ... -possibile (http://www.rally.it/wrc-m-sport-rivuole-l-ufficialita-ford-il-prima-possibile/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=wrc-m-sport-rivuole-l-ufficialita-ford-il-prima-possibile)

[jonkka]

They can wish all they want. I wish them luck.

[OnlyRally]

They can wish all they want. I wish them luck.
+1

[makinen_fan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111001

Finally someone talks negative about our lovely promoter. IMO Eurospot would have worked much better than them.

[Barreis]

Eurosport would do great job...

[jonkka]

Eurosport would do great job...

Perhaps but Eurosport is not free to view - manufacturers have previously stressed that the want to maximize number of people that they can reach and that means TV coverage must appear on free TV channels too.

[Mirek]

Perhaps but Eurosport is not free to view - manufacturers have previously stressed that the want to maximize number of people that they can reach and that means TV coverage must appear on free TV channels too.

That's new for me. I have been watching Eurosport over Astra satelite for ages without any payments.

[Jack4688`]

Personally I'd hate for WRC not to be on free to air TV but Eurosport is the next best thing. I pay £2.99 per month for Eurosport online and I can watch ERC, WTCC, ETCC, WSBK, BSB, Auto GP, ERX, Moto GP and probably more. It's not free but definitely worth it and so accessible. If WRC were on Eurosport I'm sure it would reach plenty of people. I'd even pay another £3 for WRC as the only option in the UK is an hour on Tuesday or Wednesday (depending on ITV4's mood that month) when I already know the result - I mean I'm not going to stay off autosport.com and crash.net between shakedown and the middle of the next week!

[RS]

Can someone tell me what the live coverage was from France? Helicopters, onboards, stage side??

[stefanvv]

Can someone tell me what the live coverage was from France? Helicopters, onboards, stage side??
Mostly helicopters & onboards.

[RS]

Can someone tell me what the live coverage was from France? Helicopters, onboards, stage side??
Mostly helicopters & onboards.

Cool, who provided that service for them?

[Doon]

Quote of the promoters in the Autosport article;

"We are in preparation for a very extensive live strategy for the rallies. We are already out with the new video game, we are working on a new mobile app''

If this is the main concern, then the WRC is in a deep mess!

Can't see the point of them pushing for 1 hour of live TV either, as it will be a Super Special or a Street Stage, which are pretty dull in terms of real action.

I'd be happy with 30mins of good quality footage each night of the event.

[Jack4688`]

Quote of the promoters in the Autosport article;

...We are already out with the new video game...

I hope they mean they're getting someone else to develop the game because the last 4 versions (I haven't played WRC4 but I know it will be sh#!) were just awful. Videos of the new one seem to show that it is exactly the same as WRC3. I hope to God that WRC4 is the last of the current line of WRC games and that the next game is made by a company that has some actual ability like the guys who made Forza Horizon/Forza Rally.

[makinen_fan]

Quote of the promoters in the Autosport article;

...We are already out with the new video game...

I hope they mean they're getting someone else to develop the game because the last 4 versions (I haven't played WRC4 but I know it will be sh#!) were just awful. Videos of the new one seem to show that it is exactly the same as WRC3. I hope to God that WRC4 is the last of the current line of WRC games and that the next game is made by a company that has some actual ability like the guys who made Forza Horizon/Forza Rally.

I understand that they refer to WRC4 in the interview. This is their best example of the progress they have done so far...

[Jack4688`]

They really shouldn't be proud of that game

[makinen_fan]

But this is the problem that they believe it is good and that we (and according to the article all the sport stakeholders) should believe that the sport is in good hands. I really doubt that

[Doon]

I think they meant that the game and mobile app were progress on their promotion achievements!! It's going to take more than that, and neither are a good place to start.

[Jack4688`]

I think they meant that the game and mobile app were progress on their promotion achievements!! It's going to take more than that, and neither are a good place to start.

Yeah I thought that was most likely how they meant it. The game would have happened anyway, without WRC Promotor's specific input. I still think it's hardly worth mentioning though, they should be embarrassed to admit they endorse that game :laugh:

[HaCo]

Still waiting for news from the driver market, especially for TN!

[N.O.T]

TN ?

[focus206]

TN ?
Neuville... still not used to these abbreviations? Every time someone writes RK for Kubica, I read it as Roman Kresta :D

[N.O.T]

i prefer full names of drivers...if people want to bring the F1 subhuman culture in here they are better off watching ladyboy sports.

[Eli]

Still waiting for news from the driver market, especially for TN!
yeah same here,it will probably come on monday or something like that...

[HaCo]

i prefer full names of drivers...if people want to bring the F1 subhuman culture in here they are better off watching ladyboy sports.
Sorry dude, was lazy :-)

Place your fullname instead of NOT then :p (just kidding!).

[Mintexmemory]

i prefer full names of drivers...if people want to bring the F1 subhuman culture in here they are better off watching ladyboy sports.
Sorry dude, was lazy :-)

Place your fullname instead of NOT then :p (just kidding!).

AfaiK & imvho there are a limited number of initials now in common use and which clearly indicate the driver being referred to and are a quite acceptable shorthand. FCS there are only 14-15 drivers to discuss and none has identical initials! Acronyms are also acceptable such as RBMH being FUBAR. There is no need to be apologetic over the use of drivers initials to someone who habitually uses teenage girly text speak!! lol :) (Although why he keeps sending 'lots of love' is beyond me!)

[N.O.T]

you miss the point yet again... but ok it is typical for casual motorsport Fans who just like things in general.

It is not about using initials because there is confusion with other drivers... it is about respect to the people and the sport.

That whole sick dog mentality of the F1 fans and their casual hooligan mentality should not be allowed in the he sport...there are plenty of ladyboy sports out there for that.

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111168

[stefanvv]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111168
Nothing is mentioned about "play-offs". May be FIA is agaist it :confused:

[rallyfiend]

Jost doesn't get his way so he storms out of meeting.

Boo hoo.

[dimviii]

stefanvv you have pm ;)

[Eli]

http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/11/0 ... ces-claim/ (http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/11/06/wrc-news/wrc-goes-compact-sources-claim/)
god help the FIA...they are going to kill the WRC...

[Gregor-y]

http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/11/06/wrc-news/wrc-goes-compact-sources-claim/
god help the FIA...they are going to kill the WRC...
That was kind of amusing, but sad to see from the comments that things are so bad it could taken seriously.

[stefanvv]

http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/11/06/wrc-news/wrc-goes-compact-sources-claim/
god help the FIA...they are going to kill the WRC...
This is some kind of bad joke.

[Eli]

to be honest i wasn't sure if they were joking or not...

[stefanvv]

to be honest i wasn't sure if they were joking or not...
It must be, this is not Rally, more like Rallycross, we already have such

[dimviii]

to be honest i wasn't sure if they were joking or not...

same i thought.......for a while.... :disturb:

[N.O.T]

blogs of nothingness... why you follow them ?

[danon]

Quote:

"Current plans state that the events proper will last only one day and consist of only one special stage. Which must be circular and easily accessible to spectators. Radically radical plans further state that the stage would see several cars racing at the same time on the mixed gravel and tarmac surface."

I do not mind if it's a complete 24 hours no sleep event.

Ohh... bring it on, FIA!

[stefanvv]

Irony and sarcasm is the proper way :D

[danon]

full 24 TV-internet live coverage is a must - forgot to mention :D

[stefanvv]

No, that's not possible for a Rally :D

[danon]

anything is possible but to get back in you came out from

FIA proves it

expect the unexpected

[scn]

http://www.worldrallyblog.com/2013/11/06/wrc-news/wrc-goes-compact-sources-claim/
god help the FIA...they are going to kill the WRC...
If this is true, then it's time for Red Bull to go home.

[jbmarcus21]

Today Ogier and Ingrassia celebrates Wrc 2013 Champion
Here Gallery Photos
http://planetemarcus.com/ogier-et-ingra ... 013-a-gap/ (http://planetemarcus.com/ogier-et-ingrassia-celebrent-leur-titre-2013-a-gap/)

[jbmarcus21]

Gymhkhana 6 by Ken Block !
http://planetemarcus.com/gymkhana-6-by-ken-block/

[Gregor-y]

No, that's not possible for a Rally :D
Why not, if Norway gets good ratings for a filming a ferry trip?

[Franky]

No, that's not possible for a Rally :D
Why not, if Norway gets good ratings for a filming a ferry trip?
Because the world isn't full of Norwegians watching a moving wallpaper.

[nafpaktos]

Important
http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/r ... r-to-2016/ (http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/rally-sweden-closer-to-2016/)

[wwbroe]

Important
http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/r ... r-to-2016/ (http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/rally-sweden-closer-to-2016/)

That sounds like very good news to me. ;) :bounce:

[danon]

Top 10 manufacturers most likely to enter the WRC - http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/03/top- ... er-the-wrc (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/03/top-10-manufacturers-most-likely-to-enter-the-wrc)

[Plan9]

VW into World Rallycross in the future....only speculation but a worrying thought. The story is below:

http://www.irallylive.com/ir_news.htm?00005618&10

[danon]

No worries...

WRC will be dead in VW's heads only.

The world did not stop spinning without their presence in WRC prior to 2013.

The world will keep turning with or without them.

VW scares the crows.

Ogier is the one to be worried... :D

[bassist]

Just a matter of interest, of the current crop of top drivers in the WRC, who are Paid to drive, and who Pay to drive?

[A FONDO]

it's a long talk and almost every case is different. do you want to know something particular?

[bassist]

No, nothing specific, just a general query associated with the Pool of talent at WRC level. Suppose what I`m getting at is because of the money associated with sport these days, is it possible to let a real quick young talent slip through the net because of cash?

[A FONDO]

more than possible. happens very often

[danon]

Rally Sweden – Closer to 2016 - http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/r ... r-to-2016/ (http://www.rallysweden.com/en/2013/11/rally-sweden-closer-to-2016/)

Svenska Rallyt AB and FIAs promotor WRC Promoter GmbH has signed a historic three-year contract. The agreement means WRCs only winter rally will remain in Sweden until 2016 – at least. Formally FIA will continue to set the calendar on a yearly basis to the terms proposed by WRC Promoter.

[andyone]

Guys a quick question. Can a team decide to turn the splits for a driver in a race? From cotrolm

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[jonkka]

Guys a quick question. Can a team decide to turn the splits for a driver in a race? From cotrolm

Which way you mean?
To show (or not) other competitor's splits for their driver? Sure, why not.
To prevent their driver's splits shown? No, tracking device must be on as it's primarily a safety device.

[jbmarcus21]

Final Standings Wrc 2013 [Driver, Manufacturers, Top Scratch, Power Stage winner] http://planetemarcus.com/saison-wrc/

[mohit]

hello all

every one keeps on commenting about my posts on solberg

please check the results this year and past years (2011,2012 only) along with stage wins you will see why i have been defending solberg he has the speed which is required what he lacked was consistency and that could be worked up on and sorted if he was able to secure a manufacturers seat for a period of 2 years or so

now don't say he is old........

[mohit]

i would also like to see gaurav gill in wrc (APRC champion 2013) check his videos and speed

[Zeakiwi]

i would also like to see gaurav gill in wrc (APRC champion 2013) check his videos and speed
Are the Mini Countryman cars assembled in Chennai, India now? Gill might promote Mini (wrc2 spec) and MRF in WRC2 initially.

Could any local cars be made into R5 for Gill (for example the Mahindra Verito vibe, e20 etc. )

[Mirek]

There's no point using Mini anymore. Mini WRC/RRC is pretty much dead.

[vino_93]

Indeed it could be interesting to see Gill in WRC as he showed a good speed against Atkinson or Lappi, but not with a Mini. His Skoda is good car, he should drive it if MRF want to do WRC.

[Eli]

so who is going to joiin Thierry for next season???, i thought that by the time we got through rally GB more thing would be decided...

[PLuto]

so who is going to joiin Thierry for next season???, i thought that by the time we got through rally GB more thing would be decided...

Hanninen+Bouffier/Hirvonen

[Jack4688`]

I'd say it's very likely that Hirvonen is going back to M-Sport

[PLuto]

I'd say it's very likely that Hirvonen is going back to M-Sport

Me too. But there were also negotiations with Hyundai...

[danon]

Matton: Citroen approach 'different' for 2014 - http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/198264/1/ ... _2014.html (http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/198264/1/matton_citroen_approach_different_for_2014.html)

[Francis44]

Luis Moya said today on a Spanish show that Sordo has offers from both Citroën and
Hyundai for next year.

[pettersolberg29]

Luis Moya said today on a Spanish show that Sordo has offers from both Citroën and
Hyundai for next year.

Apparently both have only offered a seat for tarmac rounds, while Sordo wants a full season.

[danon]

curious to see the Citroen's data records comparison of Sordo & Ogier driving the Citroen

dearly wish... :D

[danon]

Matton: Seb the Third can make the grade - http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/17/matt ... -the-grade (http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/17/matton-seb-the-third-can-make-the-grade)

http://www.hexis-energy.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/551727_389670354401849_516010281_n.jpg

[wrc45]

http://www.maxrally.com/2013/11/18/vvroom-for-kruuda

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sordo has been given two options for 2014:

Citroen or Hyundai

[RS]

Matton: Citroen approach 'different' for 2014 - http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/198264/1/ ... _2014.html (http://www.crash.net/wrc/news/198264/1/matton_citroen_approach_different_for_2014.html)

That sounds like Meeke and Kubica to me.

[noel157]

Could well be.

[Mintexmemory]

On Thursday after Llandegla I visited the service park to see the position selection event (interesting couple of hours). Wandering around the non WRC areas I caught sight of a well-known guy in a red jacket talking to Yazeed Al Rahji in the latter's service bay marquee. Now does anyone think that while Citroen WRC are Abu Dhabi sponsored, that Citroen / Peugeot R5 may well end up in Saudi green? Or was the Yaz looking to step up to the big stage?

[A FONDO]

On Thursday after Llandegla I visited the service park to see the position selection event (interesting couple of hours). Wandering around the non WRC areas I caught sight of a well-known guy in a red jacket talking to Yazeed Al Rahji in the latter's service bay marquee. Now does anyone think that while Citroen WRC are Abu Dhabi sponsored, that Citroen / Peugeot R5 may well end up in Saudi green? Or was the Yaz looking to step up to the big stage?
haha come on, the rally guys are all together for a week, it is normal that somebody stops for a chat with somebody else

[makinen_fan]

On Thursday after Llandegla I visited the service park to see the position selection event (interesting couple of hours). Wandering around the non WRC areas I caught sight of a well-known guy in a red jacket talking to Yazeed Al Rahji in the latter's service bay marquee. Now does anyone think that while Citroen WRC are Abu Dhabi sponsored, that Citroen / Peugeot R5 may well end up in Saudi green? Or was the Yaz looking to step up to the big stage?

Citroen is supposed to have the support of Abu Dhabi next year, Matton said clearly they will have an extra car for Qassimi in selected events, so I don't think so.

[Mintexmemory]

On Thursday after Llandegla I visited the service park to see the position selection event (interesting couple of hours). Wandering around the non WRC areas I caught sight of a well-known guy in a red jacket talking to Yazeed Al Rahji in the latter's service bay marquee. Now does anyone think that while Citroen WRC are Abu Dhabi sponsored, that Citroen / Peugeot R5 may well end up in Saudi green? Or was the Yaz looking to step up to the big stage?
haha come on, the rally guys are all together for a week, it is normal that somebody stops for a chat with somebody else



This was not stopping to have a chat... the marquee was nowhere on the routes Matton would ordinarily have been taking. I'm not a lip reader but this was definitely discussion, not just a 'chat'. Now whether anything significant occurs I couldn't predict, but if Citroen are committed to just a 2+1 effort for the Abu Dhabi team next season then if a certain customer is prepared to take a package that won't require factory support then there may be a deal to be done. I'd say R5 / RRC is most probable if I were a betting man!

[rallyfiend]

Yazeed's car is run by MyRacing.

Guess who the owner of that team is? That's right - Yves Matton!!

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Hartusvuori]

Former Finnish rally driver Kristian Sohlberg will make a comeback to WRC next season. He has announced to start Rally Sweden in Autotek Fiesta R5, and he is aiming for more selected rounds. It's been 6 years since his previous start in WRC.

[Rallyper]

How about Riku Tahko? Has he bought any R5 yet?

[dimviii]

http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Te ... until-2017 (http://en.best-of-rallylive.com/News/Technical-regulations-stability-until-2017)

The FIA (Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile) and manufacturers are in favour of stability in the WRC’s technical rules until 2016 in order to curb costs. Next year, two-car teams will only be able to use six chassis compared with eight in 2013 (subject to confirmation by December’s World Council meeting).
As was the case this season, only three engines per competition number will be permitted in 2014, while key mechanical assemblies (transmission, front subframe, rear subframe, steering rack) will be grouped in sets for two, three or four rallies.
Today’s World Rally Cars will be frozen on December 1, 2013. Ahead of this date, manufacturers will be able to homologate certain so-called ‘joker’ parts. Some makes have already homologated them with the car, but others still have some jokers available. The homologation rules say that if a car is homologated without any declared changes as of December 1, it will be able to homologate a single ‘chassis’ joker and a single ‘engine’ joker in 2014.
World Rally Cars will have to compete in their current specification for the next three years. That means, for example, that we won’t see any hybrid cars until at least 2017.
For 2014, the manufacturers have come to a gentleman’s agreement not to make any major changes to their cars, although a re-homologation will be possible again in 2015, which will cover the case of Hyundai, for example, which joins with a new machine next season. The homologation papers for the i20 WRC for 2014 are in the hands of the FIA and the necessary inspections will take place in December.
From the end of 2014, R4 cars (Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Lancer) will no longer be authorised to compete in Europe, although they will be able to continue for an additional year in Africa and Asia. S2000 and RRC cars will continue to be eligible, but there won’t be any new homologations.
The FIA is favouring the use of 'RGT' (GT) cars in the WRC by permitting privateer teams to homologate models themselves. For the moment, however, nobody appears to be interested in taking up this possibility in the world championship.
Lastly, the FIA hasn’t yet received homologation requests for the Peugeot 208 R5 or Citroën DS3 R5, so they will not be homologated in time for January 1, 2014. There are only four homologation dates per year, and the next watershed is March 1.

[mousti]

Yazeed's car is run by MyRacing.

Guess who the owner of that team is? That's right - Yves Matton!!

Nothing to see here, move along.
Indeed MattonYves Racing who also runs the DS3 of Chardonnet and some Citroën's in Belgium.

[Franky]

The FIA (Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile) and manufacturers are in favour of stability in the WRC’s technical rules until 2016 in order to curb costs. Next year, two-car teams will only be able to use six chassis compared with eight in 2013 (subject to confirmation by December’s World Council meeting).

Could someone explain what for this chassis rule is?

[danon]

- in whose favor is the so-called "stability"?!

- no samurais allowed?!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

The FIA (Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile) and manufacturers are in favour of stability in the WRC’s technical rules until 2016 in order to curb costs. Next year, two-car teams will only be able to use six chassis compared with eight in 2013 (subject to confirmation by December’s World Council meeting).Could someone explain what for this chassis rule is?
To stop teams from building a brand-new chassis for every event and driving costs up. Most FIA championships these days have s focus on longevity of parts. It's more sustainable, cuts down costs and most importantly, reflects well on manufacturers who can develop parts that are still competitive after half a dozen races. Especially in a series like the WRC, where the cars closely resemble their road-going counterparts.

[AdvEvo]

R4 wil end in 2014. What happens to the group n evo s and subaru s?

[Mintexmemory]

R4 wil end in 2014. What happens to the group n evo s and subaru s?
Local unrestricted events, looks like their value just took a nosedive

[Mirek]

R4 wil end in 2014. What happens to the group n evo s and subaru s?

Local unrestricted events, looks like their value just took a nosedive

Nothing will happen to gr.N cars. Gr.N stays as it is. Only the R4 experiment will not continue.

[vino_93]

But can anyone create new N cars ?

That's a bad point to delete R4 from Europe ... it's a new step btw WRC and rest of Rally World. There's a big gap in FIA regulations btw biggest 2WD and R5 ... for sure it'll be as Argentine or NZ in a lot of north european countries, with new 4WD out of FIA regulations - and then less starters on FIA events :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

But can anyone create new N cars ?

I think so. Or better to say I don't see a reason why not. The bigger problem is if there is any manufacturer interested in doing so...

[dimviii]

they just want to prevent r5 loosing,from fast drivers with r4 mitsuscubi cars.
guys are laughable.

[igi]

From his facebook page:
http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/duva ... 9ffddd68e3 (http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/duval-pret-a-aider-citroen-528c914b3570b69ffddd68e3)

[noel157]

Dudu: "my number has not changed if Yves Matton is interested"...............

[makinen_fan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111484
After the saga with timing in Wales, hopefully something will happen, although even Capito is not confident about that...

[Mintexmemory]

Dudu: "my number has not changed if Yves Matton is interested"...............
Answerphone message:
Bonjour Dudu - malheureusement nous avons six chassis seulement et nous esperons que les pilotes ne caisserai pas plus de six fois
Cordialement
Yves

[N.O.T]

I think they already have a catering advisor... its drivers they want.

[HaCo]

Actually Dudu is right, with his experience, he deserves a drive a lot more than some others out there.

[N.O.T]

Actually Dudu is right, with his experience, he deserves a drive a lot more than some others out there.

can you name them ?

[HaCo]

Meeke, Kubica, Novikov, Ostberg, maybe even Sordo. Okay, he needs rythm. He has the potential, just needs to be tamed.

[Andre Oliveira]

Loix and Duval :D

[eppel]

Mads Østberg said actually no to Hyundai. He is now talking to Citroën and Ford about 2014. Østberg believes that the decision is a few day away.

Watch the interview from TV8 Østfold here http://bit.ly/1hXJigf

[dimviii]

Mads Østberg said actually no to Hyundai. He is now talking to Citroën and Ford about 2014. Østberg believes that the decision is a few day away.

Watch the interview from TV8 Østfold here http://bit.ly/1hXJigf

did he said why he refused to Hyundai?

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe Hyundai only offers no full season. In my opinion it is a mistake. 2 + 1 driver should be better.

[N.O.T]

Meeke, Kubica, Novikov, Ostberg, maybe even Sordo. Okay, he needs rythm. He has the potential, just needs to be tamed.

from the drivers you mention only Sordo gets paid and Duval would be slower everywhere...

[focus206]

Meeke, Kubica, Novikov, Ostberg, maybe even Sordo. Okay, he needs rythm. He has the potential, just needs to be tamed.
He HAD the potential, 10 years ago...

[jbmarcus21]

Hyundai & Electronic Arts set video game
http://planetemarcus.com/hyundai-motors ... ur-mobile/ (http://planetemarcus.com/hyundai-motorsport-et-electronic-arts-sassocient-pour-un-jeu-sur-mobile/)

[Jack4688`]

That is better than the official WRC game.... That is how bad the WRC series has been

[PLuto]

That is better than the official WRC game.... That is how bad the WRC series has been

I think that official WRC game is worse than WRC series this year...

[Formaldehyde]

It's not a new game... Real Racing 3 has been THE most popular racing game for iOS since forever (it's actually quite fun on the iPad). They will probably release the i20 as a new car. For circuit racing only....

[RS]

Mads Østberg said actually no to Hyundai. He is now talking to Citroën and Ford about 2014. Østberg believes that the decision is a few day away.

Watch the interview from TV8 Østfold here http://bit.ly/1hXJigf

Have I missed something? Why are teams so interested in this guy?

I can only guess he is paying because all he proved this year was to be considerably slower than his young team mate who has far less experience.

[Rallyper]

Yes you´ve missed that he´s one out of 5-6 guys who is fast enough to be in WRC in a factory team. Next year when there´s one more team it might be lack of drivers if you rule out Mads and supposely a few other not in your taste...?

[pettersolberg29]

Have I missed something? Why are teams so interested in this guy?

I can only guess he is paying because all he proved this year was to be considerably slower than his young team mate who has far less experience.

Agreed - said it at the start of the year that he simply isn't fast enough and it's been proven. Would much rather see a punt taken on Meeke, Kubica, Evans etc. than waste a seat on someone who is a known quantity who isn't good enough, except on snow!

[RS]

Yes you´ve missed that he´s one out of 5-6 guys who is fast enough to be in WRC in a factory team. Next year when there´s one more team it might be lack of drivers if you rule out Mads and supposely a few other not in your taste...?

I agree with pettersolberg29, I'd rather take a gamble on someone else than go with a guy proven not to be quick enough.

He finished 6th in the championship this year when there were only three teams and I'd expect Mikkelsen to surpass him next year.

Having said that you make a good point that there are 8-9 works seats next year so I can see him being deserving of one of them. I just find it hard to believe there are several teams "fighting" over him, but hey maybe he has a good PR manager behind him.

[pettersolberg29]

Having said that you make a good point that there are 8-9 works seats next year so I can see him being deserving of one of them. I just find it hard to believe there are several teams "fighting" over him, but hey maybe he has a good PR manager behind him.


That's the key isn't it - he's deserving of a top 8-9 seat, but certainly shouldn't be a top choice with any bargaining power. He's a solid 2nd choice driver as he's consistent, but surely Mikko would be first choice 2nd driver which gives Mads even less leverage in any deals I'd have thought!

[skarderud]

Well, dreamers....

Østberg is winnercandidate on snow. He has quite much left on tarmac, but he is regular among top 3-4 on gravel, when his car is working properly.
He had his share of technical issues this year, and a couple of mistakes. I question Msports ability to start a rally with everything 100% in the team, also some dodgy tirechoices from them. When the driver/codriver also make mistakes, maybe trying to makeing up lost time?

He had a shit season this year, close to every top-driver thru history had that some time, exept of a certain seb....

He need a teamleader that also can work with him as a coach, i dont think that is MWs best side.

But to drag duval into this is just stupid. Noone whants him back.
He is maybe fast on the 2 first stages, but then he crash.

[RS]

That's the key isn't it - he's deserving of a top 8-9 seat, but certainly shouldn't be a top choice with any bargaining power. He's a solid 2nd choice driver as he's consistent, but surely Mikko would be first choice 2nd driver which gives Mads even less leverage in any deals I'd have thought!

Looks like Mikko will be M-Sport's No.1 so I guess the most likely outcome is Mads ending up No.2 there. But even then I'd rather have Mikko-Sordo than Mikko-Mads.

[pettersolberg29]

skarderud - he is possibly top 3/4 on gravel, but he's so far from the top that's he may as well be 30th! Surely it's better to see if someone else can challenge higher rather than just settle for someone you know is too slow to win but is reasonably quick? He has never really shown top, top pace in my mind. However I see his value as a number 2, just don't understand why people are fighting for him! As for Duval - I'd be amazed if it happened, and not in a good way.

RS - very true. Team of Mikko and Mads is so boringly consistent it might just work I guess. Personally would offer Sordo the drive on tarmac rounds, and let Ostberg have some time off during them!

[er88]

Ostberg has had a shambolic season -no two ways about im afraid. Really disappointing. Shown no real raw pace at all. unless maybe in finland. Fact is the guy got outpaced in australia by meeke, a guy contesting his 2nd competitive rally in something like 2yrs. Citroen should just go for a meeke - kubica lineup. As matton says- they arent going to be fighting for manufacturer's title so i hope Yves grows some balls and takes a gamble on his driver lineup. No point in keeping a deadbeat sordo or mads ostberg :D

[Nornbugger]

Actually Dudu is right, with his experience, he deserves a drive a lot more than some others out there.


Bring back Panizzi :z

[RS]

RS - very true. Team of Mikko and Mads is so boringly consistent it might just work I guess. Personally would offer Sordo the drive on tarmac rounds, and let Ostberg have some time off during them!

I guess Sordo and Ostberg are both looking for a full season though, in which case I'd take Sordo. There are more rounds on tarmac than snow...

[Jack4688`]

Actually Dudu is right, with his experience, he deserves a drive a lot more than some others out there.


Bring back Panizzi :z

And Sainz and Kankkunen and Auriol :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Why people don't like veterans? Loeb is not good enought to come back too? Loix f.e. is a great driver.

THIS IS NOT FOOTBALL, teams have not to think on future transfer... I prefer one Loix, Duval, Atkinson, Meeke, to young drivers. Let they grow on WRC2 and 3.

[N.O.T]

Museum drivers are nice.... but i prefer real ones...

[COD]

Confusing again. WRC homologation was supposed to based on S2000 (read RRC). Now no new homologation for them. What are they based on now? R5?

[COD]

How about Riku Tahko? Has he bought any R5 yet?

Talks about ERC program next year

[Mirek]

Confusing again. WRC homologation was supposed to based on S2000 (read RRC). Now no new homologation for them. What are they based on now? R5?

Still on S2000 regulations, nothing changed there, but as a result You get only WR homologation without the S2000 basis. It's confusing at least...

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Does anybody know what happened to the LOTOS team this year? I assume they pulled funding because of a lack of results (and the stupid decision to field the Mini). But I wonder if they would be willing to try again in 2014 if Robert Kubica doesn't get one of the Citroen drives. Despite killing off the WRC team, they backed Kubica in the WRC-2 and are title sponsors for next year's Rally Poland, so they're clearly maintaining some involvement in the category ...

[focus206]

Does anybody know what happened to the LOTOS team this year? I assume they pulled funding because of a lack of results (and the stupid decision to field the Mini). But I wonder if they would be willing to try again in 2014 if Robert Kubica doesn't get one of the Citroen drives. Despite killing off the WRC team, they backed Kubica in the WRC-2 and are title sponsors for next year's Rally Poland, so they're clearly maintaining some involvement in the category ...
They didn't pull out, Kosciuszko got an injury at Rally Deutschland, and had to skip the last events of his program.