[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

[Barreis]

Sebastien Loeb launches sportscar team - LMS news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95788)

[Allyc85]

Without a new homologation process!!! So what do you think, Citroen and the FIA ​​are neighbors, then it appears that everything is possible between these friends.

We have seen it enough times that there is a rule book for Citreon and one for everyone else!

[xavier]

We have seen it enough times that there is a rule book for Citreon and one for everyone else!

of course, the proof is that Citroen is the last of the TOP team to date to be penalized based on homologation (missing a picture)..... oh wait, that's the opposite of a proof.

[blownb310]

Well, the talk that Loeb-s engine failiure in France was just a human error sound more and more like I tought. Some sort of miscalculation with their engine durability.I remember watching the live coverage of the power stage when Phil Mills was a guest co-host. He said that although the media did a great job keeping it quiet, that Loeb's engine failure was his own fault. He said that Loeb cut a corner and hit one of those steel rods the organizers stuck in the ground to keep cars from cutting, and broke his oil cooler.

[MJW]

I remember watching the live coverage of the power stage when Phil Mills was a guest co-host. He said that although the media did a great job keeping it quiet, that Loeb's engine failure was his own fault. He said that Loeb cut a corner and hit one of those steel rods the organizers stuck in the ground to keep cars from cutting, and broke his oil cooler.
And he kept revving the engine when oil pressure was dropping. Not to take anything away from his acheivements but he didnt demonstrate any mechanical sympathy in stopping the engine as soon as the fault was apparent. My guess is that engine when stripped had a lot of damage.

[Rallyper]

Was it allowed to be stripped? Didnt they stop so the engine could be run in Spain?
What where they allowed to repair?

[MJW]

Was it allowed to be stripped? Didnt they stop so the engine could be run in Spain?
What where they allowed to repair?

Well if that engine ran in Spain after being revved like that with no oil pressure I think Citroen have devised some space age magic technology.

[Gard]

And he kept revving the engine when oil pressure was dropping. Not to take anything away from his acheivements but he didnt demonstrate any mechanical sympathy in stopping the engine as soon as the fault was apparent. My guess is that engine when stripped had a lot of damage.

So he has the possibility to overide the engine management system? Normally engines goes into safe mode, when oil pressure get low.

[bluuford]

Was it allowed to be stripped? Didnt they stop so the engine could be run in Spain?
What where they allowed to repair?
When the engine expires and you retire from the rally, then you can take new engine for next rally. If you finish the rally and discover that you have to change the engine before the next event, then you get 5 minutes penalty.

A few things about engines rules:
LIMITATION OF THE NUMBER OF ENGINES
64.1.1 After the 01/05/2011 each Manufacturer or a WRC Team must use no more than 2 engines per
car for the rest of the season (ie: 2 engines per car for 9 Rallies).
64.1.2 Each engine will be assigned to a seasonally allocated car number.
64.2.2 If a Manufacturer or WRC team has used the engines given in Art 64.1.1 and 64.1.3 and if the
car finishes a rally (thus appearing in the final classification) and the seals are found to be destroyed
without the written approval of the FIA Technical Delegate, a 5-minute penalty may be imposed by the
stewards at the next rally.

[Bobcat]

of course, the proof is that Citroen is the last of the TOP team to date to be penalized based on homologation (missing a picture)..... oh wait, that's the opposite of a proof.
Of course, the proof is Petter Solberg's exclusion from your home rally. There were the Citroen Total cars so cleanly in the rules, of course..... :rolleyes:

[Hartusvuori]

congratulations to PG Andersson: P-G Anderssons Mobilblogg: Då var man Pappa (http://pgandersson.blogspot.com/2011/10/da-var-man-pappa.html)

On the matters of the most importance, P-G and his wife had a bit of action on the way to birth hospital:

Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2Fnyheter%2Fkarlstad%2Fra llystjarnans-son-foddes-i-bilen-pa-vag-till-bb&act=url)

[Zeakiwi]

On the matters of the most importance, P-G and his wife had a bit of action on the way to birth hospital:

Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.fi/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2Fnyheter%2Fkarlstad%2Fra llystjarnans-son-foddes-i-bilen-pa-vag-till-bb&act=url)
Hopefully PG will have the route to the hospital pace noted and get there on time if there is a second child.

[tolis]

Will there be a Pirelli Star Driver programme in 2012?

[focus206]

Will there be a Pirelli Star Driver programme in 2012?

Probably yes:
Google Traduttore (http://translate.google.it/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallyemotion.it%2Fnews%2F1007-il-pirelli-star-driver-punta-sulle-skoda-fabia-r2)

[tolis]

Probably yes:
Google Traduttore (http://translate.google.it/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallyemotion.it%2Fnews%2F1007-il-pirelli-star-driver-punta-sulle-skoda-fabia-r2)
This is the British programme, not the international one.

[focus206]

This is the British programme, not the international one.

Oh sorry, I thought you mean if there is going to be a program at all.

[tolis]

Oh sorry, I thought you mean if there is going to be a program at all.
That's why I posted it in the WRC section. :)

[ProRally]

Will there be a Pirelli Star Driver programme in 2012?

From what I understand NO, there is a WRC Academy in 2012 with support of Pirelli, but no more 'full sponsored' cars as this year.....

[PLuto]

Pirelli Star Drivers is over. They had 3 years programme which is finishing this year. Next year only WRC Academy with full payment...

[dimviii]

The situation at Ford's now before the last World Cup 2011 more than tense.

Still is not clear whether this will continue to mark the World Rally Championship next year.

The decision was not originally fall in October, but still nothing on the future of MS announced.

The concern is profit, but not in Europe, Ford very successfully.
And the whole project, participation in the MS is currently managed from Europe.


The uncertainty of the toll on the Malcolm Wilson, who not only must worry about the future of M-Sport, but also significantly influences the planning for the future.

They can not move the negotiations with Sebastien Ogier Citroen about leaving, but the situation hinders the further development of Fiesta WRC.

It can not therefore be ruled out that a continuation of Ford's involvement in MS is to further reduce the supply of money.
And it would have resulted in deepening losses at French rival.


Google PYeklada (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=cs&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php%3Fid%3D18165)

[noel157]

Icecube and Williams- plenty of talk about it for the last few months, here's some more:

F1: Williams to announce Raikkonen deal in Abu Dhabi | F1orbit (http://f1orbit.com/2011-11-03/f1-williams-to-announce-raikkonen-deal-in-abu-dhabi-2/#en)

[N.O.T]

Icecube and Williams- plenty of talk about it for the last few months, here's some more:

F1: Williams to announce Raikkonen deal in Abu Dhabi | F1orbit (http://f1orbit.com/2011-11-03/f1-williams-to-announce-raikkonen-deal-in-abu-dhabi-2/#en)

hope its true...

good riddance Mr icecube.....

[focus206]

Probably Kimi lost all his interest in rallying, I think it's almost impossible that we see him in WRC in 2012.

[Barreis]

Good for him, bad for WRC. Sport needs stars.

[bluuford]

Good for him, bad for WRC. Sport needs stars.

well, i think that this star is burned down for WRC anyway.

[Francis44]

Probably Kimi lost all his interest in rallying, I think it's almost impossible that we see him in WRC in 2012.

Lost interest in rallying because he is not good enough. Finally realized he wouldn't get nowhere in this sport.

[pete c]

don't think its really that he's lost interest as much,as having to use his own money to keep going.
Whereas being paid 15m euro to drive for an uncompetitive team in f1 sounds a lot easier, as no one really expects him to
be competitive.

[Barreis]

There's big differences between WRC and F1 for Kimi and his name is really attractive for sponsors. But not in WRC and that's bad.

[Plan9]

Kimi never "starred" in the WRC

[focus206]

Lost interest in rallying because he is not good enough. Finally realized he wouldn't get nowhere in this sport.

He is not good enough to win rallies and get podiums. He is good enough to not be in the last positions and to take some points. I don't think he expected something more than what he achieved in these 2 years. To me, he made more than enough for being a F1 driver.

[JRodrigues]

Lost interest in rallying because he is not good enough. Finally realized he wouldn't get nowhere in this sport.

Let's be honest, there are only 3 guys that can go somewhere in this sport. So let's kick all of the others out!

[pete c]

ahhh 3, so that would be Wilson, Raikkonen, and Block then !!!!!

[N.O.T]

Let's be honest, there are only 3 guys that can go somewhere in this sport. So let's kick all of the others out!

unfortunately in rallying none can kick someone out....i wish things were different so tourists could not be allowed to compete with a WRC.

But the situation unfortunatelly is driven by sponsors and money Kimi brought his sponsors and money on year 1, but when they saw he was just a tourist attraction among girls and ladyboys in service and his rallying skills were nothing special, they left......If kimi was serious about this he would put some money from his pocket to continue but he is not so its bye bye Mr icecube.

GOOD RIDDANCE !!!!!

[N.O.T]

If all users could kick someone out from this forum...

they can....

[Bobcat]

Jari-Matti Latvala will run a Ford Fiesta RS WRC car in Rallye du Var.

[Hartusvuori]

Jari-Matti Latvala will run a Ford Fiesta RS WRC car in Rallye du Var.

As in preparation for Monte, I guess?

[Bobcat]

Probably so.

[jbmarcus21]

My Video Test Volkswagen Motorsport Polo Wrc & Carlos Sainz


Test Days Volkswagen Motorsport Polo Wrc 2011 - Carlos Sainz - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8DtBPaVKhw)

[Barreis]

World Rally Championship - News - EXCLUSIVE: Carlos Sainz Q&A (http://www.wrc.com/news/exclusive-carlos-sainz-qa/?fid=15697)

[Bobcat]

Sebastien Loeb to judge pace by Mikko Hirvonen in Wales Rally GB title decider - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95908)

[Barreis]

What's this?
Rali de Itália pode ser na Sicília - Autosport.pt (http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=as.stories%2F100930#ixzz1cr2X0gYp)

[Barreis]

China Rally Longyou review | RallyBuzz (http://www.rallybuzz.com/china-rally-longyou-review/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook)

[Francis44]

A possible new rally car on the way......

http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/images/stories/2011/NOV2011/cheveyralis11.jpg

This is a private project from a small team in Portugal, Filipe Sport.

There is a possibility of an official effort for the project from Chevrolet Portugal.

[Mirek]

Any details?

[Francis44]

Any details?

Not much at the current time, they will base there engine in the 1,4 or 1.6T production unites but apart from that, not much is known.

I will try to update if something new comes along about this.

[Mirek]

Ok, thanks

[focus206]

A possible new rally car on the way......

http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/images/stories/2011/NOV2011/cheveyralis11.jpg

This is a private project from a small team in Portugal, Filipe Sport.

There is a possibility of an official effort for the project from Chevrolet Portugal.

Very interesting :)

[Roy]

Jari-Matti Latvala will run a Ford Fiesta RS WRC car in Rallye du Var.

Do you have al link?

[Plan9]

A possible new rally car on the way......

http://www.ralisonline.net/pt/images/stories/2011/NOV2011/cheveyralis11.jpg

This is a private project from a small team in Portugal, Filipe Sport.

There is a possibility of an official effort for the project from Chevrolet Portugal.

Thumbs down. Looks yucky. I think GM should focus on becoming solvent and not think about rally just yet!

[Plan9]

Thank god Alister McRae has FINALLY won a rally series. I hope he can build on this to to something bigger and better next year. I think he, like Atko are too valuable to allow to fade into obscurity. Surely both can do better than Proton???

[sollitt]

Thank god Alister McRae has FINALLY won a rally series. I hope he can build on this to to something bigger and better next year. I think he, like Atko are too valuable to allow to fade into obscurity. Surely both can do better than Proton??? Read the record books Plan9. I believe McRae won the British Championship at least once in the 90's. As for being "too valuable", neither of these drivers have anything to distinguish them from the hordes of other WRC hopefuls.

[Plan9]

I was referring to an international title won recently Sollitt. I think that the value of each driver is open to speculation; however I would like to add that both drivers probably have accumulated a very deep understanding of international rallying and technical expertise. It would be useful to someone; although I must say I have not noticed the Proton improve greatly.

[N.O.T]

Alister is 41...

are you guys for real using words like hopeful and other obscure remarks about guys who are 2 feet away from the old peoples homes ??

Star trek universe is sure a nice place to be....but please do not confuse it with reality.

[focus206]

Well, I'm very happy for Alister, but there is no way he can do more than APRC in next years.

[darkstar]

mikkelsen and neuville with skoda/vw?

Autonews Magazine » IRC Rallye international » Neuville et Mikkelsen équipiers en 2012 ? (http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=18645)

Google Übersetzer (http://translate.google.de/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.autonews-magazine.com%2Fblog%2F%3Fp%3D18645&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8)

would be a very good choice from vw!

[Mirek]

I heard some speculations about Neuville few weeks a go and found them quite logical especially considering Thierry is native German speaking guy. Anyway if it comes true, it would be very very sane choice.

[darkstar]

only problem is that neuville pretty mutch sticks to psa. they have build him up, and as far as i get that article right, thats not a easy choice for him. stay in irc with peugeot, maybe get a future in wrc with citroen. or bite the hand that feeds you and leave to skoda, with maybe a future in wrc with vw.

and from what i heard, neuville normally has some contract with psa, that´s why vw wasn´t able yet to let him testdrive theyre skoda. normally he was the first choice for rallye germany instead of weijs jr.

[I am evil Homer]

Stick with PSA for what? The 207 is clearly behind Skoda already and really it was his (and Bouffier's) talent that got the results they did. Next year without serious input the gap will widen further. If he wants to get into WRC or challenge for title again IMO he needs to move away from PSA, or get assurances there's some serious development happening, esp with that damn alternator.

[darkstar]

shure, if you simply look at the pure facts its a easy choice. but without psa neuville would probably not be where he is today at all.

[Plan9]

Well, I'm very happy for Alister, but there is no way he can do more than APRC in next years.
IRC?

[focus206]

IRC?

I don't see him doing more than the usual 1-2 IRC events. Are we already sure Proton will keep on trying in IRC?

[Tofrallye29]

It is now sure, Neuville signed with VW and Skoda for 2012

[Barreis]

Why him and not IRC/SWRC champs?!

[Gregor-y]

Good for Neuville, though Peugeot's going to have to find another driver.

[darkstar]

It is now sure, Neuville signed with VW and Skoda for 2012

where´s that info from?


Why him and not IRC/SWRC champs?!

because he´s the biggest talent yet as it seems?

[Mirek]

Good for Neuville, though Peugeot's going to have to find another driver.

If they won't let Škoda alone in IRC...

[ProRally]

It is now sure, Neuville signed with VW and Skoda for 2012

From which source ?

[Gregor-y]

If they won't let Škoda alone in IRC...
Let's hope not; developing Citroen for the WRC and Peugeot for other series would be a good way to keep both brands in the spotlight.

[PLuto]

I think it is not sure yet...

[PLuto]

Maybe he has seen our picture ;)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_eab6bfab4ad9e542a737be276251673f.jpg

[dimviii]

I think it is not sure yet...

so its not just a rumor..

[Plan9]

Good for Neuville, though Peugeot's going to have to find another driver.
Don't worry about that, they have the amazing Guy Wilks to wow us all!!! -p

[Plan9]

where´s that info from?



because he´s the biggest talent yet as it seems?

I'm sure he has a future. I am beginning to think that there will not be enough drivers anywhere to accommodate all this "amazing" talent. I don't see where Paddon fits into this situation with the others.

[PLuto]

You can find some info about it in this article: Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=12968). It is in czech, but with using google translator is should be (maybe) enough to understand.

[mousti]

TofRallye from where that info comes??

I heard some rumours just now here too in Belgium and that Demaerschalck wil replace him at Peugeot Belux want is not quite bad at all! Another promising driver!

On forum-rallye.com they're already sure. But like they say official confirmation could only come after his last outing for PSA.

[Zeakiwi]

The plans for the drivers for next year is likely to be announced after the two rallies this weekend.
Neuville possibly for Skoda for IRC and SWRC in 2012.
Rallye du Condroz-Huy - Accueil (http://www.condrozrally.be/)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Pug 208 next year don't forget... new car!

[AndyRAC]

So Peugeot (& PSA) are quite happy to let Neuville sign for a rival? Does that mean PSA aren’t in the sport for the long run? I would have thought Neuville would be part of their long term plans......hmmm

[rp]

So Peugeot (& PSA) are quite happy to let Neuville sign for a rival? Does that mean PSA aren’t in the sport for the long run? I would have thought Neuville would be part of their long term plans......hmmm

Before official news nothing is sure, but there has been some rumours that after Loeb´s contranct at the end of the season 2013 Citroen will stop rallying. There was a hope that Peugeot will continue after that, but if they let both Ogier and Neuville sign for other teams it can be that the PSA is not anymore in the WRC. Hopefully the situation is different...

[Mirek]

According to sport.cz negotiations between Neuville and Škoda failed.

[Tofrallye29]

TofRallye from where that info comes??

I heard some rumours just now here too in Belgium and that Demaerschalck wil replace him at Peugeot Belux want is not quite bad at all! Another promising driver!

On forum-rallye.com they're already sure. But like they say official confirmation could only come after his last outing for PSA.
I have the same info
It comes from a member of forum-rallye and sendrogne-racing . He chats with a Belgian journalist yesterday during Condroz's testings. Neuville had to sign his contract monday. Today we know apparently it was not signed because of his manager :s

[tfp]

If PSA are out, what of Kronos?

[mousti]

If he stays with Kronos it'll be at PSA too, Kronos will not do a WRC program for such a talent without PSA assistance.

[tfp]

If he stays with Kronos it'll be at PSA too, Kronos will not do a WRC program for such a talent without PSA assistance.

Maybe not, I was thinking of like what they did in IRC with peugeot?

[mousti]

But Neuville has to get support from Peugeot Belux so his kinda supported by PSA too, like he now was this year and why couldn't accept a test with Fiesta WRC and a outing for Deutschland Rally in a VW supported Fabia..

[Tofrallye29]

Another rumour about Quesnel. He would leave PSA and Dominique Serieys (former Mitsubishi Dakar manager and actually rallye de France organiser) should take his place.
Citroën rallyes: ciao Quesnel et Ogier, hello Serieys et Hirvonen... | La Provence (http://www.laprovence.com/article/sports-region/citroen-rallyes-ciao-quesnel-et-ogier-hello-serieys-et-hirvonen)

edit : oups I didn't read the Ogier's topic before

[Brother John]

Even because al these rumors I started this thread!

http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/149147-how-do-you-see-future-rally.html

There is currently no one who knows what will happen with the economy in all countries in the future, it will certainly be seen in motorsport also!

[PLuto]

Quesnel will leave PSA...

[RSmaX]

Source?

[bassist]

Marshaled at Shakedown yesterday at Built Wells for WRBG. Went for a wander around service after the stage. Bumped into Petter going in to the `M` sport hospitality suite. Could this be significant , or was he just hungry?

[dimviii]

Quesnel will leave PSA...

a very late decision...

[PLuto]

Source?

Reliable ;)

[N.O.T]

when news are posted by Pluto questioning the source is not very wise.....

[dimviii]

when news are posted by Pluto questioning the source is not very wise.....
+1 he is very careful what he posts.

[N.O.T]

+1 he is very careful what he posts.

not only careful but THE MOST knowledgeable source of information for EU rally news...

When Pluto posts its a fact, not a rumour.....and that makes him the memeber with the most respect in my eyes at least.

My ultimate goal is to make him like the WRC a bit more :D but that will happen when we meet in Barum....one day :D :D

[dimviii]

not only careful but THE MOST knowledgeable source of information for EU rally news...

When Pluto posts its a fact, not a rumour.....and that makes him the memeber with the most respect in my eyes at least.

My ultimate goal is to make him like the WRC a bit more :D but that will happen when we meet in Barum....one day :D :D

or invite him at Acropolis

[Hartusvuori]

Jarkko Nikara has said his goals for next season are outside Finland, but so far nothing completed. Finnish championship is propably not an option anymore. IRC has been brought up, but still it's a question of getting the budget together. One option is to enter few rallies with his good ol' Evo IX.

[Barreis]

Funny guy.
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Sebastien Loeb (http://www.wrc.com/news/qa-sebastien-loeb/?fid=15793)

[Bobcat]

Hirvonen leaves Ford next year, it has been officially confirmed!

[Barreis]

Any link for that?

[Tomi]

It will be interesting to see next year what will happen when Hirvonen and Ogier swap teams, I have a feeling that it will be close fights between Latvala and Loeb.

[Rallyper]

It will be interesting to see next year what will happen when Hirvonen and Ogier swap teams, I have a feeling that it will be close fights between Latvala and Loeb.

Like this year then... :cool:

[Plan9]

Where on the FIA website do you find the technical rules for WRC?

[N.O.T]

Where on the FIA website do you find the technical rules for WRC?

here...i think

FIA Rally Championships (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/regulations/Pages/FIARallyChampionships.aspx)

[Koppomsbo]

Hirvonen leaves Ford next year, it has been officially confirmed!

Can you please post a link?

[not12listen]

again... these are NOT 100% official, so, please take them with the appropriate 'grain of salt...'

http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/rally/wrc-loeb-reveals-hirvonen-to-join-citroen-in-2012?artid=137592

http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/rally/wrc-sebastien-ogier-said-to-join-ford-in-2012?artid=136123

[tfp]

Quesnel (or who ever will take his place) on the radio-
"mikko, sebastien is faster than you, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?"
Lol!

[Juha_Koo]

Esapekka Lappi has been selected to Even Rally's driver development program. Next season's calendar will be Finnish Rally Championship and few selected international rallies with Fiesta S2000! :up:

PrintSport Racing - Professional motorsport company - PrintSport.fi (http://www.printsport.fi/news111114.php)

[RS]

It will be interesting to see next year what will happen when Hirvonen and Ogier swap teams, I have a feeling that it will be close fights between Latvala and Loeb.

Don't underestimate Ogier but I agree it will be interesting.. it should make the driver lineups of the 2 main teams a bit more even and maybe even in Ford's favour given that Latvala and Ogier are still improving.

[dimviii]

and maybe even in Ford's favour given that Latvala and Ogier are still improving.

Who will be No1?
Remember Ogiers problem was that wasn t equal with the 7 time world champion.Do you think that in Ford will accept No2 while Latvala has less wins than him?Why to leave Citroen for a No2 seat? He had No2 seat but didn t like it.
Feel free to discuss mates!

[logic]

Which will be No1?
Remember Ogiers problem was that wasn t equal with the 7 time world champion.Do you think that in Ford will accept No2 while Latvala has less wins than him?
Feel free to discuss mates!

Plain and simple , there is no No 1 . If your team mate has a chance to win later in the year you back him up , if you and your team mate can win the championship , always remember the team comes first.

[gtimad73]

2. Sébastien Ogier (FRA) / Julien Ingrassia (FRA) - Citroën DS3 WRC
My best result on this rally, not the one I expected though, but not a bad result. Maybe not my last time at Citroen but I don't know.

[dimviii]

Plain and simple , there is no No 1 . If your team mate has a chance to win later in the year you back him up , if you and your team mate can win the championship , always remember the team comes first.

We are talking about Ogier.Not generally.
Ogier was 30 points behind Loeb but didn t accept orders,and didn t like to do that you wrote above.Thats why he left Citroen.Is there a reason to leave Citroen for a No2 again in different car?

[Barreis]

Must be crazy to leave a winning team. He had his chance to win in Australia but went off.

[Micke_VOC]

Esapekka Lappi has been selected to Even Rally's driver development program. Next season's calendar will be Finnish Rally Championship and few selected international rallies with Fiesta S2000! :up:

PrintSport Racing - Professional motorsport company - PrintSport.fi (http://www.printsport.fi/news111114.php)

And the young swede Pontus Tidemand gonna have a collaborative with Even Rally to. Next season calender for Pontus gonna be Swedish Rally Championship and the plan is a couple irc/swrc events with a Skoda Fabia S2000 prepared by Even Rally
=)

[Allyc85]

Must be crazy to leave a winning team. He had his chance to win in Australia but went off.

Maybe he dosnt have a choice and Loeb dosnt want him there, while Hirvonen will do the Sordo style job and constantly pick up the manufacturer points ;)

[Mirek]

And the young swede Pontus Tidemand gonna have a collaborative with Even Rally to. Next season calender for Pontus gonna be Swedish Rally Championship and couple irc/swrc events with a Skoda Fabia S2000 prepared by Even Rally
=)


Quite surprised that it will Fabia. Is that sure? I expected Fiesta...

[Micke_VOC]

Quite surprised that it will Fabia. Is that sure? I expected Fiesta...

Yes, Fabia S2000 for Pontus. I can confirm.
The Fiesta are in Finland now =)

[Plan9]

Maybe he dosnt have a choice and Loeb dosnt want him there, while Hirvonen will do the Sordo style job and constantly pick up the manufacturer points ;)

I'm sure you are right but I would like to think Mikko won't give up. not just like that!

[James Graham]

Solberg recently said he had the option of going to another form of motorsport in 2012. What could this be? Global Rallycross? The profile of Global Rallycross and the X Games would suit Solberg perfectly.

[I am evil Homer]

Wasn't there some rumour regarding WTCC?

[Pinto]

heard talk of a two car Solberg team and some tie in with the Norway army

[focus206]

seems like Block is going to do 6 rallies nex year:
Google PYeklada (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=cs&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/)

[6789]

heard talk of a two car Solberg team and some tie in with the Norway army

That's very interesting. Would be with Ford then?

[Gard]

heard talk of a two car Solberg team and some tie in with the Norway army

that is almost confirmed as plan B.. or was it plan C. as long as both Ford and Mini are lacking founding. Nothing much get decided

[Hartusvuori]

Hirvonen's Citroen deal is reported as a done deal in Finland now.

Hirvonen siirtyy Loebin tallikaveriksi | Moottoriurheilu | YLE Urheilu | yle.fi (http://yle.fi/urheilu/lajit/moottoriurheilu/2011/11/hirvonen_siirtyy_loebin_tallikaveriksi_3029447.htm l) (googlish it)

I believe there will be something Ford-related newspiece set for tomorrow as well.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

And MTV3 tell that deal is not done.

Hirvonen: Mitään nimiä ei papereissa - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/11/1441853/hirvonen-mitaan-nimia-ei-papereissa)

[Juha_Koo]

Yes, Fabia S2000 for Pontus. I can confirm.
The Fiesta are in Finland now =)

And the particular Fiesta is PX10 ATZ, chassis 30, ex-Henning?

[adr17]

hirvonen deal to citreon done

[Miika]

And MTV3 tell that deal is not done.

Hirvonen: Mitään nimiä ei papereissa - MTV3.fi - Urheilu - Ralli - Uutiset (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/2011/11/1441853/hirvonen-mitaan-nimia-ei-papereissa)

It´s not Mikko´s job to announce the possible contracts, so I guess he can play games with the media till the end. I´d put my money on YLE`s news, in the MTV3 reality one day Mikko is going to Citroen, on another day to VW, on third he is staying with Ford and then on the last one he is out of job. But I guess we´ll find out soon since Citroen is holding a press conference soon this week (?).

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

It´s not Mikko´s job to announce the possible contracts, so I guess he can play games with the media till the end. I´d put my money on YLE`s news, in the MTV3 reality one day Mikko is going to Citroen, on another day to VW, on third he is staying with Ford and then on the last one he is out of job. But I guess we´ll find out soon since Citroen is holding a press conference soon this week (?).

Citroen press 16.11.2011

[N.O.T]

Loooooool...

[alleskids]

No Hirvonen movement to Citroen before Ford has announced they stay in WRC 2012. Otherwise Ogier has nothing to moveto when he moves outside the Citroen team.

first we have to wath for Ford announcing a stay in 2012 WRC
second step is announcing Ogier to Ford
final step is announcing Hirvonen to Citroen

[Micke_VOC]

And the particular Fiesta is PX10 ATZ, chassis 30, ex-Henning?

Yes.

[bassist]

No Hirvonen movement to Citroen before Ford has announced they stay in WRC 2012. Otherwise Ogier has nothing to moveto when he moves outside the Citroen team.

first we have to wath for Ford announcing a stay in 2012 WRC
second step is announcing Ogier to Ford
final step is announcing Hirvonen to Citroen
Any ideas when the Ford announcement is due???

[traxx]

Now, 2 Fiestas WRC in "Rallye du Var" next week. So I think an annoucement is going to be done really soon before this event.
https://twitter.com/#!/Traxx_WiF/status/136521878733987841

[adr17]

No Hirvonen movement to Citroen before Ford has announced they stay in WRC 2012. Otherwise Ogier has nothing to moveto when he moves outside the Citroen team.

first we have to wath for Ford announcing a stay in 2012 WRC
second step is announcing Ogier to Ford
final step is announcing Hirvonen to Citroen

it was offically announced today at his previous employers ie msport , deal defiantly done

[GigiGalliNo1]

Maybe Ogier number 1 driver in Team 2 for Qatar Citroen with Nasser. :)

[RSmaX]

Now, 2 Fiestas WRC in "Rallye du Var" next week. So I think an annoucement is going to be done really soon before this event.
https://twitter.com/#!/Traxx_WiF/status/136521878733987841
This sounds plausible. But do you have a source for it?

[traxx]

It's sure that 2 Fiestas will be in "Rallye du Var" (french tarmac rally to prepare MC). The rest is just what I think ;)

[focus206]

Maybe Ogier number 1 driver in Team 2 for Qatar Citroen with Nasser. :)

What would the point for him to go in a Citroen private team? To be even more subjected under team orders? If he stays in Citroen, he stays in the official team.

[logic]

Maybe Ogier number 1 driver in Team 2 for Qatar Citroen with Nasser. :)

but he would not get a works car.

[mousti]

Eddy Chevaillier confirms now too on his facebook that Mikko is a Citroën driver now

[MartijnS]

Quesnel confirmed it too now ;)

Ogier out, Hirvonen in.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Confirmed - Mikko for Citroen!

[Miika]

Whammo.

[Roy]

Hirvonen is in Citroen for 2 years
Mikko Hirvonen replaces Sebastien Ogier at Citroen - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96263)

Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/citroenracing/status/136816331738726401)
Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/FordWRC/status/136814753904467968)

[userwave]

Confirmed - Mikko for Citroen!

is this good news though?

[Josti]

Shakes things a bit up. Exciting.

[rage82]

From citroen-wrc.com :"2012
Olivier Quesnel announced today that @MikkoWRC and Jarmo Lehtinen will join @citroenracing for next year. Welcome aboard guys! #WRC

So Mikko will drive Citroen next year!

[GigiGalliNo1]

It certainly does now... Ford hopefully can pick up someone good? (haha)

Citroend will dominate again... but will Mikko be the b*tc&?

[Hartusvuori]

Citroend will dominate again... but will Mikko be the b*tc&?

Well, they certainly didn't sign him to be number one.

Change is good for one thing and after we've gotten the comfirmations from Ford squad, let's see if we are ahead of newly exciting 2012 season.

It'll be interesting to see how Finnish fans react to Mikko in Rally Finland. Citroen team has been considered as the proverbial enemy and waving the Ford flag has been an easy option for past six years. It'll stir things up. I'll stick with Ford flag though. And yes, this has been the most important thing to consider in this move.

[Roy]

Citroen has now the best first driver, 8 times champion, and the best second driver reliable and constant of the field.
IMO Citroen will be champion in 2012, but de driver champion is not known yet.

Ford has to do with fast guns, but not always so reliable. But Latvala learn a lot and is a lot quicker on tarmac these days.

2012 will be exiting.

[N.O.T]

Citroend will dominate again... but will Mikko be the b*tc&?

yes, its going to be the first time since the start of the citroen racing team that citroen will have a clear No1 and No2 driver...bad for the sport.

Ogier to Ford is just a tombstone to his career....

10 championships in a row is almost certain now.

seems that apart from fail drivers finland start to produce fail managers as well...lets see how long before ogier wakes up.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Great news!

Citroen is awesome team and now Mikko is part of "red army". Hirvonen is still factory team driver, nice to see Finn in factory DS3. Pykälistö was last Finn in factory Citroen?!

Now we have to think different about Citroen, there is again blue/white spirit in team!

[MJW]

Ogier to Ford is just a tombstone to his career....

I dont know but I think Ford will by Latvala and Tanak, with Ogier going to VW. Will Malcolm risk having Ogier in his team? Ogier certainly wont come cheap, and having JML and Ogier in the same Fords team might turn complicated, both will want to win. My guess is JML will become #1 and teh focus of Ford's championship, backed up by Tanak, who at his stage of his career will probably drive for his flights and hotel and be paid a mechanics wage with Malcolm. If Ford lose €8M AbuDhabi money who is going to find that kind of money for Ogier on a two / three year deal?

[GigiGalliNo1]

WAH! N.O.T sort of agreed with my comment! :o :D ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Pykälistö was last Finn in Citroen?!

Err... Kimi a break!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Kimi WHO? I mean real factory team...

[focus206]

Kimi WHO? I mean real factory team...

Wasn't Pykalisto in the OMV backed Manfred Stohl's team?

[dimviii]

Nice to see Mikko in Citroen racing.
it ll be very interesting to measure his speed against Loeb.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Pykälistö was factory test driver 2006, Citroen C4. 2004 two events but team was Kronos. 2005 one event with OMV.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wilson on Mikko move

Mikko Hirvonen switches to Citroen for 2012-2013 - World Rally Sport Forums (http://www.worldrallysport.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7435#post7435)

[tmx]

Wow! I must admit I didn't see this coming by a mile, either I haven't been following rally enough or no one is excited from WRC anymore, I would expect to see a bigger reaction from this.

I have to admit it's a strange decision by Mikko and strange decision by Citroen. How can Mikko be sure he'll be allow to win and not be the Rubens to Schumacher. And Citroen clearly knows Ogier is faster than Mikko.

In a way, I'm glad this move will release Latvala, next year would be his best chance yet. It's shameful how many times he had to slow down for Mikko not just this years, but the past years. I'm think Mikko chance of ever being champion is effectively over.

Would be interesting to see Ogier ended up at VW and have a big 4 ways fight between the manufacturers. But if Petter gets a drive with a manu team would make my day.

[Barreis]

Ogier has some ego problems. He destroyed his career.

[GigiGalliNo1]

You really think so (that he destroyed his career)? I think so too to an extent... he pushed a bit too much... over took his limits with the team which gave him a nice big black cloud over his head.... but I couldn't expect him (being French maybe, wanting to push harder for the wins... to be in the spot light... this is not an attack on anyone but maybe the french have a different mentality then anyone else to be better then others, I don't know) but if Sordo pushed and didn't' listen to team orders and did the same.. he too would have been out... Sordo just stuck in his shell to keep the team happy... then, Bam he was out just like that! He supported the team but then they found someone better. Here Ogier supported the team, pushed over the edge a little, a bit cocky and now he's left...

Sorry. I am not against Ogier or the French of Citroen but it's how I see it. :)

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

I have to admit it's a strange decision by Mikko and strange decision by Citroen. How can Mikko be sure he'll be allow to win and not be the Rubens to Schumacher. And Citroen clearly knows Ogier is faster than Mikko.

In a way, I'm glad this move will release Latvala, next year would be his best chance yet. It's shameful how many times he had to slow down for Mikko not just this years, but the past years. I'm think Mikko chance of ever being champion is effectively over.

Would be interesting to see Ogier ended up at VW and have a big 4 ways fight between the manufacturers. But if Petter gets a drive with a manu team would make my day.

Mikko will be 2nd driver in team. Maybe some wins but LOEB is number one and the champ!

Latvala was crashing all the time past years, Mikko was better because he was finishing rallies.

[tfp]

Mikko will be 2nd driver in team. Maybe some wins but LOEB is number one and the champ!

Latvala was crashing all the time past years, Mikko was better because he was finishing rallies.

Latvala is maturing more and more as a driver, he will get better. In a way, it would be good if tanak ended up at ford instead of ogier, as there will be no clear number one if ogier joins ford.

[bluuford]

My guess is JML will become #1 and teh focus of Ford's championship, backed up by Tanak, who at his stage of his career will probably drive for his flights and hotel and be paid a mechanics wage with Malcolm.
If you look at some GB pictures the you can see that Tänak was actually working on his own car as a mechanic at some point of the rally to sort out some problems after his overheating problem. So, Malcolm can hire one mechanic less as well ;-P

[Arwel Davies]

So one of the worst kept secrets in WRC is finally out in the air. It'll take a while for it to look right seeing Mikko in a Citroen. Now what about everyone else? I think Ford will commit for a few more years at least. Obviously Jari Matti as number 1 driver. Where will Ogier go? him and Jari Matti if the partership work would be amazing but there is that risk there with Jari now finding speed and consitency and not crashing and Ogier being full of confidence and wanting to get one over on Loeb that there could well be fireworks. Would Petter be better suited in the 2nd Ford? He has the speed but hasnt had much luck this year and maybe a seat in with a manufacturer would change things and he could win events whilst not putting the team result at risk. Then you have VW lurking in the backround ready to swipe. You know their going to offer big bucks and are going to want to be competative from the start but involves a season of testing and developement rather than competing, would Petter or Ogier be happy with this? Who knows, should be an interesting season next year once all the moves are finalised.

[Hartusvuori]

If you look at some GB pictures the you can see that Tänak was actually working on his own car as a mechanic at some point of the rally to sort out some problems after his overheating problem. So, Malcolm can hire one mechanic less as well ;-P

Mikko is a mechanic too, so with Ott in it would keep things in balance :-)

[tfp]

Mikko is a mechanic too, so with Ott in it would keep things in balance :-)


Mikko a mechanic? I hear kris meeke is aswel:-)

[AndyRAC]

Mikko a mechanic? I hear kris meeke is aswel:-)

Meeke is a qualified engineer from Queen's University in Belfast.....

[Munkvy]

I think Ford might well be able to afford Ogier now... Afterall, he is unemployed, is he going to be so picky about who will take him or how big the cheque is? Whats his alternative?

And I agree with whoever said it before, Sordo didn't step out of Loebs shadow and did what the team told him, yet he still got dumped...

Ogier didn't, he seized the opportunity and made a name for himself. Sure he may not be a team player, but at least he has won rallies, been an actual world championship contender for some time and generally proved he can go toe to toe with the best driver in the world.

[Woodeye]

seems that apart from fail drivers finland start to produce fail managers as well...

Yes, 2-3 drivers in WRC is quite bad result from country of 5 million. I'm sure we'd produce much more, but we are starting to run our of money since we have to pour the money into but*hole of europe called greece.

[tfp]

Meeke is a qualified engineer from Queen's University in Belfast.....

Hmm, I wonder if he'd be so kind as to fit new piston rings to my mates westfield? He'd have to drive up, but I'd give him petrol money :laugh: ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Mikko a mechanic? I hear kris meeke is aswel:-)

Mikko is a motor mechanic. He used to work at Käyttöauto dealer in Jyväskylä up until Ford deal came for 2006. If I remember right he was serving Nissans. Someone who knows Mikko better can correct me if my memory fails me.

Here's a set up picture from 2006 at his old work place. The quote says: "At first I learned everything from my father".

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9XurDriYRkk/TsQQE9f9C6I/AAAAAAAAABE/hmwW385V544/s640/MikkoHirvonen2006.jpg

[Barreis]

So Ogier left for worse car and thinks that can win the championship over Loeb in citroen. Something is wrong in his head.

[Francis44]

I think some of you might be in for a surprise next year. I can't wait to see some reactions when perhaps we find out that Ford problems werent only about the car.

[rp]

Yes, 2-3 drivers in WRC is quite bad result from country of 5 million. I'm sure we'd produce much more, but we are starting to run our of money since we have to pour the money into but*hole of europe called greece.

By the way. After the season 2011 Finnish drivers have only won 33,5 % of all the WRC events since 1973. Not a bad result after all...

[MJW]

I think some of you might be in for a surprise next year. I can't wait to see some reactions when perhaps we find out that Ford problems werent only about the car.
?? do you care to explain further?

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Finland is rally´s home. Everyone knows that.

[pettersolberg29]

?? do you care to explain further?

I think he's suggesting the car isn't the only problem, but also the drivers. Maybe Ogier will come in and win rallies with Ford and show that the car is at least equal to Citroen, and that simply Mikko and JML haven't been providing the results the car is capable of. Not sure that I agree as I beleive JML is a brilliantly quick driver, but it's a possibility. It will at least give us a real chance to compare how fast the two cars are as we can compare Mikko and Ogier's old pace with their pace in the new cars.

[dimviii]

By the way. After the season 2011 Finnish drivers have only won 33,5 % of all the WRC events since 1973. Not a bad result after all...

Just out of curiosity,how many wins have all the Fin drivers? Are they more than Loebs?

[Barreis]

Just out of curiosity,how many wins have all the Fin drivers? Are they more than Loebs?

:D

[Francis44]

?? do you care to explain further?

I think it's possible we see Ogier on the pace with Ford and perhaps wasn't the car that was slow, but the drivers who couldn't match Loeb's pace.

[MJW]

I think it's possible we see Ogier on the pace with Ford and perhaps wasn't the car that was slow, but the drivers who couldn't match Loeb's pace.
I tend to agree to a certain extent, Jari Matti was getting good speed out of the Fiesta in the last half of the season, even on tarmac. I think the driver line up at Ford had become stale and I believe Mikko was beaten in the head by Loeb. But, officially Ogier hasn't signed with Ford, or is it just not announced........

[Barreis]

With fiesta he'll have to be on 110% and that means offs.

[julkki]

I think it's possible we see Ogier on the pace with Ford and perhaps wasn't the car that was slow, but the drivers who couldn't match Loeb's pace.

Or Ogier can't match Latvala's pace at all...just speculation. But most probably their speed are going to be guite equal if Ford continues and Ogier comes to Ford.

In Citroen it's clear who is the No. 1 driver but still it's very interesting to see Hirvonen's pace compered to Loeb when they both have the same machinery. Does the cap decrease, increase, is equal...?

[adr17]

nothing wrong with the fiesta , the mini drivers were very impressed !!

[DonJippo]

Just out of curiosity,how many wins have all the Fin drivers? Are they more than Loebs?

Finns have 164 wins.

[6789]

If Ford continues and they sign Ogier and have Latvala that will be an awesome deal!!

Loeb and Hirvonen will be tough to beat for the make championship but!

[Nornbugger]

By the way. After the season 2011 Finnish drivers have only won 33,5 % of all the WRC events since 1973. Not a bad result after all...

if my maths is correct Loeb has won 7.3 of all world rallies since 1973? Anyone want to check? If he were a country where would this place him?

[DonJippo]

if my maths is correct Loeb has won 7.3 of all world rallies since 1973? Anyone want to check? If he were a country where would this place him?

Third after Finland and France.

[AP-Racing]

if my maths is correct Loeb has won 7.3 of all world rallies since 1973? Anyone want to check? If he were a country where would this place him?

And if he were a car, he will be fourth after Ford, Lancia and Citroen :) ))

Interesting, when Seb beat Ford for victory score?

[WRCfan]

It just shows, Ogier's over the top, cocky, loud mouth attitude he carried meant that he was eventually pushed out of the team. Serves him right too.

[tfp]

It just shows, Ogier's over the top, cocky, loud mouth attitude he carried meant that he was eventually pushed out of the team. Serves him right too.

I dont know, I liked Ogiers attitude of "Loeb is the most successful of all time, but I'll take him on"
Ogier is as hungry as JML for wins and the championship. How to do that? Knock Loeb off the top.

[Plan9]

How many years will Ogier do at Ford? It would have to be about 2 right?

[sollitt]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Ogier's not at Ford yet.

[Plan9]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Ogier's not at Ford yet.
Good point. Worst case scenario could be a year out of the sport!

[GigiGalliNo1]

My money is on Ford dropping JML ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Also, some sense!

Wilson goes to IRC

Wilson open to IRC switch in 2012 | Motors TV (http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/wrc/16112011/wilson-open-irc-switch-in-2012)

[AndyRAC]

Also, some sense!

Wilson goes to IRC

Wilson open to IRC switch in 2012 | Motors TV (http://www.motorstv.com/car/rally/wrc/16112011/wilson-open-irc-switch-in-2012)

I’m afraid he won’t find it any easier there – Hanninen, Mikkelsen, Neuville....

[Zeakiwi]

I’m afraid he won’t find it any easier there – Hanninen, Mikkelsen, Neuville....
Would Wilson get a 1600 turbo regional Fiesta to use in IRC ? The potential of the turbo to be a better car than a 2000 NA.

[6789]

I think it would be a good move for Wilson to the IRC. I would follow him there, see how he goes!

[focus206]

Some time ago I was wondering how Wilson would do in IRC... maybe we will see, but I think there is more chances he stays in WRC.

[Micke_VOC]

Would Wilson get a 1600 turbo regional Fiesta to use in IRC ? The potential of the turbo to be a better car than a 2000 NA.

The rumors says that the S2000 Fiesta is faster then the RRC if that not are very long accelerations.

[dimviii]

Wilson in IRC is going to be worse than wrc.In irc there are not only the 4 works team drivers and 3-4 private wrc cars.In Monte doubt if he could manage top 10 times,also in Barum etc.

[N.O.T]

I see no reason for wilson to do anything associated with rallying.....Even if he goes to IRC what are going to be his goals ??? he cannot improve any more so i see no reason to do a full program in any respectable series....if he likes rallying and wants to compete i think the BRC is his best bet for some recognition and fun.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Or be a co-Team Manager.

:D

[bluuford]

I see no reason for wilson to do anything associated with rallying.....Even if he goes to IRC what are going to be his goals ??? he cannot improve any more so i see no reason to do a full program in any respectable series....if he likes rallying and wants to compete i think the BRC is his best bet for some recognition and fun.

Maybe WR Car is too fast and complicated for him and he is not able to react as fast as it needs to? Have you ever seen him driving anything less powerful than WR Car in intenational competition (0-car and all shows does not count)? usually other drivers start from the weaker and less complicated cars and then move to the bigger cars. It would me nice to see one to move in different direction ;-)

[dimviii]

Maybe WR Car is too fast and complicated for him and he is not able to react as fast as it needs to?
wrc car is easier for Matt,than s2000 car.His driving style of noreason sideways is not, what a s2000 car needs to go fast.

[mousti]

It would me nice to see one to move in different direction ;-)
Loix.

[Allyc85]

My money is on Ford dropping JML ;)

Got money to waste then? ;)

[stepunk]

In 2012 the Italian round of WRC will be run in Sicily and not in Sardinia. That was a rumour until this afternoon, now it's official.
As soon as I can find the press release I'll post it there.

Here's the link (the news is in the page of Italian Automobile Club, organizer of the Italian round of WRC): Automobile Club d'Italia: In Sicilia il Rally d'Italia 2012, unica prova italiana del Mondiale WRC FIA (http://www.aci.it/sezione-istituzionale/notizie/notizie/article/in-sicilia-il-rally-ditalia-2012-unica-prova-italiana-del-mondiale-wrc-fia.html?no_cache=1&cHash=14922f074c)

[tfp]

I think it would be a good move for Wilson to the IRC. I would follow him there, see how he goes!

Me too. I think (as already stated on here) if he started in slower machinery and worked his way up like everyone else he'd have some success.

[focus206]

In 2012 the Italian round of WRC will be run in Sicily and not in Sardinia. That was a rumour until this afternoon, now it's official.
As soon as I can find the press release I'll post it there.

Here's the link (the news is in the page of Italian Automobile Club, organizer of the Italian round of WRC): Automobile Club d'Italia: In Sicilia il Rally d'Italia 2012, unica prova italiana del Mondiale WRC FIA (http://www.aci.it/sezione-istituzionale/notizie/notizie/article/in-sicilia-il-rally-ditalia-2012-unica-prova-italiana-del-mondiale-wrc-fia.html?no_cache=1&cHash=14922f074c)

Asphalt?

[noel157]

Or the other stuff, little stones and lots of dust. Think the CIR round there is asphalt.

[DIMI44]

In 2012 the Italian round of WRC will be run in Sicily and not in Sardinia. That was a rumour until this afternoon, now it's official.
As soon as I can find the press release I'll post it there.

Here's the link (the news is in the page of Italian Automobile Club, organizer of the Italian round of WRC): Automobile Club d'Italia: In Sicilia il Rally d'Italia 2012, unica prova italiana del Mondiale WRC FIA (http://www.aci.it/sezione-istituzionale/notizie/notizie/article/in-sicilia-il-rally-ditalia-2012-unica-prova-italiana-del-mondiale-wrc-fia.html?no_cache=1&cHash=14922f074c)

Approved by FIA?

[Motorsportfun]

^^

not yet

[6789]

iRally is speculating that Ott Tanak is the second Ford to be entered in Rallye du Var. Be good to see his speed, I think it's alittle early for him to be in the works team.

[gravelman]

I have heard a fantastic rumour from a friend who I navigate for

[Barreis]

Tell us..

[tfp]

Tell us..

Yes, please do!

[pettersolberg29]

I have heard a fantastic rumour from a friend who I navigate for

Not Meeke to Ford by any chance?

[gravelman]

Not Meeke to Ford by any chance?

I'm afraid not!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

[Barreis]

Good news.

[gravelman]

Good news.

Well I couldn't have asked for a better informed source :) a phone call that made my day a he'll of a lot more interesting

[tfp]

I'm afraid not!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

Thats massive....Petter to Ford and Ogier to VW? What of Ott?

[Rallyper]

I'm afraid not!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

well, that makes Ogier a patient man, meaning he can´t compete in wrc in the first place during most part of 2012. I think that might mature him and make him even more hungry for the title in 2013 (if not Kimi will take the WDC then - right Mr N.O.T.?)

[Barreis]

We'll see in a few weeks.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Ott Tanak will drive the 2nd Ford Fiesta Wrc in French National Rallye du Var 2011 & Latvala in first Fiesta Wrc Var Ralye 2011 (http://t.co/n1Xb9q37)

[Martin Luijk]

So next year we wil have a team with Hirvonen en Loeb in a Citroën, Latvala en Tänak in a Ford, Meeke en Sordo in a Mini and in 2012 also Ogier and Mikkelsen in a Volkswagen. Maybe rumours and not official but it sounds good and quite understantable.

[focus206]

Or the other stuff, little stones and lots of dust. Think the CIR round there is asphalt.

The CIR round is on asphalt, but another asphalt WRC round??? They are too many for me :\

[bassist]

I'm afraid not!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

Well I did see Petter visiting the Ford Hosptality Suite after Shakedown in Builth Wells last week! Thought it could have been significant!

[noel157]

Could be mixed surface again?

[Pinto]

I'm afraid not as he would have gone with him!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

so this is Nagles inside line on things

[focus206]

Could be mixed surface again?

On a Italian forum I read that the surface isn't sure yet... let's hope for at least a mixed surface, if it's on asphalt there would be 4 rounds on asphalt in the last 5 event of next year's WRC...

[RS]

I'm afraid not!!! Seb 2.0 is supposed to have signed a deal with VW for serious money, complete with 100 days of testing and SWRC in a Fabia next year, with a certain Norwegian being involved in some type of hatchet burial at Dovenby Hall.

All sounds good. Petter would be a good stop-gap solution for Ford until Tanak is ready. VW is probably a better long term bet for Ogier than Ford and likewise Ogier a good choice by VW.

[AndyRAC]

On a Italian forum I read that the surface isn't sure yet... let's hope for at least a mixed surface, if it's on asphalt there would be 4 rounds on asphalt in the last 5 event of next year's WRC...

It's the World Rally Championship - not the World Gravel Championship - there should be an almost 50:50 split between gravel/ tarmac.....with the Swedish on snow. IRC has too may tarmac events, the WRC has too few. However, I agree that the Tarmac rounds should be more spread out.
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[focus206]

It's the World Rally Championship - not the World Gravel Championship - there should be an almost 50:50 split between gravel/ tarmac.....with the Swedish on snow. IRC has too may tarmac events, the WRC has too few. However, I agree that the Tarmac rounds should be more spread out.
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I do not agree, in my opinion WRC should be more gravel than asphalt (like it always has been). We have already IRC and ERC full of asphalt rounds.

[Mirek]

WRC doesn't need to be anything just because ERC or IRC is different. That is irrelevant. WRC must be what is worth its title.

[Mintexmemory]

My take on the main rumours is that we are likely to see 2 Ford Teams- The old M-Sport Team of JML and Ott and a Norwegian Team of Petter and Mads. Henning will still be very much a single car team on his own.
I suspect that Seb O will be behind the wheel of a Polo during 2012 at some point in WRC
Piccolo Madonie, anyone? I for one would love to be there!

[James Graham]

My take on the main rumours is that we are likely to see 2 Ford Teams- The old M-Sport Team of JML and Ott and a Norwegian Team of Petter and Mads. Henning will still be very much a single car team on his own.
I suspect that Seb O will be behind the wheel of a Polo during 2012 at some point in WRC
Piccolo Madonie, anyone? I for one would love to be there!

This looks like a fair summary of the way things are heading I reckon. Although I still wouldn't rule Petter out of walking away from rallying and going to Global Rallycross.

[stepunk]

Could be mixed surface again?

If they'll build an all new event like in Sardinia some years ago, everything is possible. But if they'll use more known rally roads, they will go on Targa Florio's special stages (tarmac, near Palermo) with the chance of 1 leg on gravel (Rally Conca d'Oro was part of Italian Gravel Trophy this year).

[Motorsportfun]

On a Italian forum I read that the surface isn't sure yet... let's hope for at least a mixed surface, if it's on asphalt there would be 4 rounds on asphalt in the last 5 event of next year's WRC...

Meanwhile, it's not yet certain that will be in Sicily. :D There's a big battle on December, 2... Election Day at Italian federation :D

[Plan9]

I will miss ken block, 6 events is not enough! I think Rally America and Global Rallycross is a bit of a cop out!

[Plan9]

DO you guys know of any link to watch the European RallyCross Championship?

[tolis]

DO you guys know of any link to watch the European RallyCross Championship?
Here you'll find highlights from each round of European Rallycross 2011: Rallycross Online - ERX TV (http://www.rallycross.com/erxtv/index.html)

[6789]

So the Ford team of Mads and Petter wouldn't be full factory? I would prefer Petter with full factory!!