[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

[pino]

Valentino Rossi is putting his rally boots on again to drive in Rally GB later this year. No mention of what car yet. Hope he gets further than his last attempt!

Great news thanks..now I look forward to Rally GB :D

[jbmarcus21]

Rautiainen says he would be ready to co-drive Grönholm if he does get back in WRC.

Timo spoke about this probably come back ? where ? ;)

[Tomi]

Timo spoke about this probably come back ? where ? ;)

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2008/09/717971

[jbmarcus21]

Many Thanks ;)

Incredible things if Marcus returns !!

[urabus-denoS2000]

http://tvnoviny.sk/spravy/krimi/policajti-zadrzali-1-7-kg-heroinu.html
???
Translation from Czech fans (dont know if we have any Slovakian fans) , it says something about an drug affair connected with rallying???

[Mirek]

They say police arested two young guys with a lot of heroine in Poprad. One of them is believed to be a rally driver. Nothing more than he is from Poprad and 25 years old.

[Saabaru]

If the FIA wants to make the WRC slower and more spectacular why don't they just return to Group B? Or only allow hard compound tires?

[Mirek]

Both ways are nonsense. They want WRC to be less expensive at first.

[ShiftingGears]

If the FIA wants to make the WRC slower and more spectacular why don't they just return to Group B? Or only allow hard compound tires?

That would be assuming that automotive technology hasn't developed since 1986.

[Saabaru]

That would be assuming that automotive technology hasn't developed since 1986.
Isn't cutting edge technology expensive and being part of the problem, something they want to get away from? Group B technology is over twenty years old. More power doesn't mean a faster car but it would be a hell of a lot more spectacular. Which is what they clame to want. I don't believe it though. Maybe have a Group N, Group B hybrid (and no i'm not talking about an electric rally car) they could easily be done with 300,000 dollars.

[Koppomsbo]

maybe Loeb retiring have something do to with Kenneth Hansens plans of have two C4´s in next years Rallycross championship :D

[Ghostwalker]

Valentino Rossi is putting his rally boots on again to drive in Rally GB later this year. No mention of what car yet. Hope he gets further than his last attempt!

I also read that Rossi will participate in a rally called Rally Monza where he will drive a Ford.

According to the article its not decided yet what car he will drive in England, it could be a ford, Citroen or Subaru.
Article in Swedish (http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=672&a=830309) or Google English (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dn.se%2FDNet%2Fjsp%2F polopoly.jsp%3Fd%3D672%26a%3D830309&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=sv&tl=en)

[alleskids]

There will be 2 Rossi's in the Wales GB Rally.
Loris Capirossi will drive a Suzuki of the Suzuki Rallye Cup.

[s.loeb]

Thank you all for your translate ;)

Maybe Loeb retire end of 2008, and Marcus come back in Citroen so ?

I do not think that seb will retired now, his retired probably depends from the program of Citroen in WRC.
Probably Citroen wants a strong 2nd team MT and of course Marcus is ideal for this position.. :)

[Mirek]

I don't think Marcus will ever return in M2 team. His name is too good to be second league...

[dumb]

I don't think that he will be back ever.Maybe for one or two rallies but not for whole season.

[Buzz Lightyear]

for rally drivers with bad breath...

http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=2642&desc=New%20WRC%20deal%20with%20Wrigley’s%20Airwave s

[AndyRAC]

Loeb won't enter Monte in 2009, another reason to detest the stupid rotation system.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=2645&desc=Loeb%20rules%20out%20Monte%20Carlo%20appearan ce%20in%202009

[ShiftingGears]

Isn't cutting edge technology expensive and being part of the problem, something they want to get away from? Group B technology is over twenty years old.


And Group B rally cars were cutting edge technology, and expensive at the time. If those Group B regulations were applied now, WRC cars would be a lot more powerful than in 1986, and a lot gripper than in 1986. So therefore, a lot more dangerous, not to mention more expensive.



The harder compound tyres are a much better idea.

[atchoum]

And Group B rally cars were cutting edge technology, and expensive at the time. If those Group B regulations were applied now, WRC cars would be a lot more powerful than in 1986, and a lot gripper than in 1986. So therefore, a lot more dangerous, not to mention more expensive.



The harder compound tyres are a much better idea.

True!!! ;)

[Saabaru]

And Group B rally cars were cutting edge technology, and expensive at the time. If those Group B regulations were applied now, WRC cars would be a lot more powerful than in 1986, and a lot gripper than in 1986. So therefore, a lot more dangerous, not to mention more expensive.



The harder compound tyres are a much better idea.
Hard compound tires would make things more interesting. I wish there was one tire for each surface that everyone used, that way it would all be up to the engineers and the drivers and tire guessing was out of the equation. But to tell you the truth I don't want to see Group B cars again, I like watching cars built from production platforms a lot better. I would like to see a Group N+ or a return of Group A.

[grugsticles]

I would like to see a Group N+ or a return of Group A.

An opinion that I have shared for quit a long time. Im sure others are the same.

[ShiftingGears]

I just want to see a substantial excess of power over grip.

[DonJippo]

I wish there was one tire for each surface that everyone used, that way it would all be up to the engineers and the drivers and tire guessing was out of the equation.

Isn't this the case with the current tyre regulations...

[AndyRAC]

Hard compound tires would make things more interesting. I wish there was one tire for each surface that everyone used, that way it would all be up to the engineers and the drivers and tire guessing was out of the equation. But to tell you the truth I don't want to see Group B cars again, I like watching cars built from production platforms a lot better. I would like to see a Group N+ or a return of Group A.

Agree, a Production based Championship - which means the cars are relevant to the public. I'd go further - you can only use what that road car has e.g; Ford uses a 2L Turbo 4WD car - yet they don't sell one. What's the point in that?
Allow for 4WD, FWD, RWD, Turbo, N/A, etc, but have different weights, BHP allowances, etc We need variety instead of the same muted Turbo sound.
When will common sense prevail, cheap, exciting cars; ending of the farcical Rotation system were you drop the most famous Rallies every other year.

[Donney]

I agree with that.

[Motorsportfun]

Can someone translate it? http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/entscheidung-in-paris-6602.html

[Ghostwalker]

Can someone translate it? http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/entscheidung-in-paris-6602.html
Translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport-aktuell.com%2Frallye%2Frallye-wm%2Fnews%2Fentscheidung-in-paris-6602.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en)

[JRodrigues]

Now that Andreas Aigner hasbeen confirmed not racing in PWRC09, what will he do?? Drive for a M2 Team?? Ostberg??

[J.Lindstroem]

Now that Andreas Aigner hasbeen confirmed not racing in PWRC09, what will he do?? Drive for a M2 Team?? Ostberg??

He will you where there is RedBull and that is with certanity not in the Subaru team. Only opinion i can think of is Citroen but they have said that they only will care about the A team with Loeb and Sordo. I don't know, maybe it doesnt look so good for him..

[WRC1]

Now that Andreas Aigner hasbeen confirmed not racing in PWRC09, what will he do?? Drive for a M2 Team?? Ostberg??


where did you find this "confirmation" ??

reg

wrc1

[Saabaru]

Agree, a Production based Championship - which means the cars are relevant to the public. I'd go further - you can only use what that road car has e.g; Ford uses a 2L Turbo 4WD car - yet they don't sell one. What's the point in that?
Allow for 4WD, FWD, RWD, Turbo, N/A, etc, but have different weights, BHP allowances, etc We need variety instead of the same muted Turbo sound.
When will common sense prevail, cheap, exciting cars; ending of the farcical Rotation system were you drop the most famous Rallies every other year.
It could be done with a Group N+, that would force Ford to sell that Focus Volvo S40 mix that thay have been teasing rally fans with for so long. They know they could sell them I don't know what their secret agenda is for not producing them.

[Saabaru]

Isn't this the case with the current tyre regulations...
I am talking about one tread pattern and one compound for each surface (Gravel, Snow, Tarmac), maybe two tires for tarmac to allow for rain but that’s it.

[DonJippo]

I am talking about one tread pattern and one compound for each surface (Gravel, Snow, Tarmac), maybe two tires for tarmac to allow for rain but that’s it.

As I was saying how does this differ from current tyre regulations?

[JRodrigues]

where did you find this "confirmation" ??

reg

wrc1

http://www.sportmotores.com/ in portuguese

[WRC1]

http://www.sportmotores.com/ in portuguese

thx!!

i did not know that it is official...

reg


wrc1

[OldF]

Translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport-aktuell.com%2Frallye%2Frallye-wm%2Fnews%2Fentscheidung-in-paris-6602.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en)

Tomorrow is a quite important day for the future of WRC when the rally commission has it’s meeting.

There was an interview with Jarmo Mahonen, who’s a member of the rally commission, in the motor sport magazine “Vauhdin Maailma”. In the interview he said neither that the manufacturers, the organizers and ISC doesn’t like the rotations of rallies. The manufacturers have made a proposal to FIA that there should be 8 permanent rallies and 6 rotating. The important rallies for the manufacturers would be Japan, Germany, GB, Monte Carlo, Italy, Greece, Argentina and Finland.

[AndyRAC]

Having read this weeks Motorsport News, it seems as if they've brought back the 'Winter series' Championship idea. Oh dear, and what is that going to do? Personally I'd have 12 rounds, one for every month, a number of 'Classic' events permament. Run the season from January to end May/June - then restart in August till end Nov/Dec. Give each event more leeway in the route for each Rally.
I think the people in charge need a reality check - especially the regs for the cars. But I'm not hopeful.

[JRodrigues]

Tomorrow is a quite important day for the future of WRC when the rally commission has it’s meeting.

There was an interview with Jarmo Mahonen, who’s a member of the rally commission, in the motor sport magazine “Vauhdin Maailma”. In the interview he said neither that the manufacturers, the organizers and ISC doesn’t like the rotations of rallies. The manufacturers have made a proposal to FIA that there should be 8 permanent rallies and 6 rotating. The important rallies for the manufacturers would be Japan, Germany, GB, Monte Carlo, Italy, Greece, Argentina and Finland.

Hello money rallies, goodbye real rallies

[A.F.F.]

Hello money rallies, goodbye real rallies

Go figure? :confused:

Out of those 8 rallies, six at least can't be defined nothing else than real rallies.

[AndyRAC]

Go figure? :confused:

Out of those 8 rallies, six at least can't be defined nothing else than real rallies.

Both Japan and Germany are both big car markets. Though there are 2 Japanese Manufacturers (are Suzuki pulling out?), and no German Manufacturer - though Ford have a factory - Saarlouis - I think.

[Saabaru]

As I was saying how does this differ from current tyre regulations?
I don't get what your asking. Pierelli supplys the tires but the teams are still guessing on hard to soft compounds aren't they? It's not just one tire for the whole rally is it, they still have to choose between diferent compounds don't they?

[Ghostwalker]

well it would be pretty intresting how they motivate that Finland is there but not Spain or France. And that they consider Finalnd more important then Sweden? Both Finland and Sweden are quite small population wise compared to france and Spain.

[AndyRAC]

Well Finland is the 'Home of Rallying'.
Sweden can rotate with Norway I would think. As for France and Spain, not sure.
I'd like to see mixed surface events, e;g San Remo/Catalunya - the sport needs a shake up - more variety please!!

[MJW]

But Finland is the best rally in the world - we also need a snow rally in each season, that can be solved by Norway and Sweden rotating - I also understand that there is high co-operation between the organising teams in Norway and Sweden so keeping the organisers sharp in the off year is not such a problem for those 2 countries to rotate.

[MJW]

But Finland is the best rally in the world - we also need a snow rally in each season, that can be solved by Norway and Sweden rotating - I also understand that there is high co-operation between the organising teams in Norway and Sweden so keeping the organisers sharp in the off year is not such a problem for those 2 countries to rotate.

[JRodrigues]

Go figure? :confused:

Out of those 8 rallies, six at least can't be defined nothing else than real rallies.

That's those other 2 I was refering to.


Both Japan and Germany are both big car markets. Though there are 2 Japanese Manufacturers (are Suzuki pulling out?), and no German Manufacturer - though Ford have a factory - Saarlouis - I think.

As you correctly understood ;) What happened to Safari? What happened to Portugal? What happened to Australia? What happened to New Zealand? Why Argentina?

[Tomi]

And that they consider Finalnd more important then Sweden? Both Finland and Sweden are quite small population wise compared to france and Spain.

Thats the question you should ask the organiser of your rally, they wanted to rotate with Norway.

[AndyRAC]

That's those other 2 I was refering to.



As you correctly understood ;) What happened to Safari? What happened to Portugal? What happened to Australia? What happened to New Zealand? Why Argentina?

Safari couldn't afford to run it anymore with no sponsor - also it seemed the F1A were no longer too keen on it - which is disgraceful!!
Portugal got dropped because of the 2001 'Mudbath' - plus other 'crowd troubles' and because they were keen to get Germany in the WRC.
Australia lost funding from WA Government - ( I think)
Argentina has to be in as it's in South America - you can't have a true World Championship unless you visit all the continents.

[cali]

I don't get what your asking. Pierelli supplys the tires but the teams are still guessing on hard to soft compounds aren't they? It's not just one tire for the whole rally is it, they still have to choose between diferent compounds don't they?

Pirelli provides only one compound tyre for the whole event and everybody uses the same tyre. No guessing, no tyre tactics - teams do not mess with tyres anymore.

[Saabaru]

Pirelli provides only one compound tyre for the whole event and everybody uses the same tyre. No guessing, no tyre tactics - teams do not mess with tyres anymore.
Wow, how did I miss that one. It is so hard keeping up with everything here in the U.S., you can read everything you can find but you still miss things. Sometimes big things :eek: , thinks for the info!

[JRodrigues]

Safari couldn't afford to run it anymore with no sponsor - also it seemed the F1A were no longer too keen on it - which is disgraceful!! - seems like you agree with me on this one

Portugal got dropped because of the 2001 'Mudbath' - plus other 'crowd troubles' and because they were keen to get Germany in the WRC. - political excuses. The 2007 edition proved that the public has learnt is manners. And other WRC rallies continue to have problems with crowds (Monte-Carlo, Mexico, Argentina) and they don't get out of the calendar!! On the weather, that is not controlable. We've seen worst conditions and they were'nt out of the calendar.

Australia lost funding from WA Government - ( I think) - It's about to get some more investment.

Argentina has to be in as it's in South America - you can't have a true World Championship unless you visit all the continents. - That shouldn't be a reason to choose a rally. Where is Africa, then? Or North America???



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[PLuto]

Jaromir Tarabus will start with his Punto in Wales Rally GB in PCWRC (Motoring Club 2): http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7453

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_44a975a20f9fb709ab1e24ece410642b.jpg

[MJW]

Two interesting stories
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71113
DR if I remember correctly was the global promoter from about 1999 with ISC and was frustrated back then when FIA insisted it was "their championship, their ruleas and their calendar" It looks to me like that the Max & Bernie show still dont want a strong WRC. Especially when you read this - it shows Lapworths frustrations with FIA tinkering when the fundamentals are still not resolved.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71114

[AndyRAC]

Two interesting stories
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71113
DR if I remember correctly was the global promoter from about 1999 with ISC and was frustrated back then when FIA insisted it was "their championship, their ruleas and their calendar" It looks to me like that the Max & Bernie show still dont want a strong WRC. Especially when you read this - it shows Lapworths frustrations with FIA tinkering when the fundamentals are still not resolved.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71114

Both very short, but interesting interviews. There must be consistency - either the F1A lets the Promoter take full control - a la Bernie - or they don't let Bernie/WRC Promoter have full control. It's totally out of order that one has full say - but the other doesn't.
Something drastic is needed, this winter calendar to me doesn't make sense. Where did they dream this up from. I've read that people watch more TV in the winter, so they've latched on to this. Sorry, that won't work - the reason people don't watch the WRC is simple. It's not exciting, or interesting enough. Every event is virtually the same - that needs to change. Have different type events - some short 2 day Rallies, some long 'classic type' 4-5 day events, and finally some current style events.
Honestly, if things don't change I can see the WRC becoming like the WEC, and that's no offence - but a smallish passionate fanbase ignored by the mainstream media/sponsors. Most of it's sponsors are involved in Motorcycles.

[sollitt]

There must be consistency - either the F1A lets the Promoter take full control - a la Bernie - or they don't let Bernie/WRC Promoter have full control. It's totally out of order that one has full say - but the other doesn't.
In reality, it doesn't matter what happens with F1. This is WRC and it needs it's own agenda, not a carbon copy of another sport's.

To my mind, the sport must determine whether the championship is a sporting contest or a commercial venture. It must decide what it is wanting to achieve with the championship, plot a course and engage partners that will deliver on that direction.
It would be irresponsible to hand absolute control over to a single commercial entity. We've seen the result of going down that road already and it appears to have been pretty unpalatable so far.

DR's comment regarding buying a shop only to then be told what you can & can't sell is a red herring. If you owned a motor vehicle franchise, a McDonalds or any number of other branded outlets this is exactly what happens. It is commercial reality today.

The sport must maintain control and determine a calendar of events much as you have have described here ...
Have different type events - some short 2 day Rallies, some long 'classic type' 4-5 day events, and finally some current style events. ... to preserve the culture and uniqueness of the sport and it should then tender the promotional rights which should come with some performance criteria. If you want to play do so, if you don't ... stay away!

It's actually very simple and only complicated by the agenda of the numerous players, not the least of whom are the interviewees in the articles you've posted.

[jonkka]

In reality, it doesn't matter what happens with F1. This is WRC and it needs it's own agenda, not a carbon copy of another sport's.

You make good points, Sollitt, once again. It's completely true that F1 should not be copied but having said that, it's understandable that F1 is being looked up admiringly because it's been such a commercial success in the past 20 or so years. While emulating F1 is not advisable, for benchmarking reasons it's good to take a look at F1's strengths and weaknesses, it's business model et al in order to learn and devise solutions which, while not being direct copies, do sport lessons learned.
For example, using common points scoring system scheme has it's advantages due the simple principle of knowledge transfer. People who already are familiar with points scoring in F1 can translate that to WRC easier than if it had completely different scheme. Having said that, because manufacturers' championship points is different (and must be different because there are privateers unlike in F1), the whole need for similar points scheme is a half measure.


It would be irresponsible to hand absolute control over to a single commercial entity. We've seen the result of going down that road already and it appears to have been pretty unpalatable so far.

I agree but for slightly different reasons. I do see the blatant commercialism as the greatest threat too but don't fear it that much because I trust that conflicting wishes of involved manufacturers would temper that trend somewhat, preventing the most outrageous ideas and trends.

Besides the commercialism, I am against handing the complete control to an outside party because I think that FIA must have control over the sporting and regulatory aspects of the sport, that's their agenda in the first place. However, I do share DR's worry about being told what to sell in the shop you buy so it's a requirement that the promoter has to have a say in how the things are run.


If you owned a motor vehicle franchise, a McDonalds or any number of other branded outlets this is exactly what happens. It is commercial reality today.

Yes but in case of McD or car dealership you can trust that the franchise owner will do their utmost to promote the brand and give you the tools needed to run that shop of yours because if you don't generate money, they don't get any either. But with WRC, FIA has no vested interest. Sure, struggling WRC doesn't make them as much money as it could but money isn't FIA's number one goal - unlike some seem to think. Instead, there are some who see WRC as the little brother to the F1 and want it to stay that way, effectively opposing any improvement to the situation. I think that to most of the FIA's members WRC is irrelevant, they don't care about it all. And then there is the small minority that feel very strongly about it, most likely those federations that either have strong rallying roots or those who have active manufacturers in WRC.

Because of this, WRC needs someone who has interest to improve things and in order to attract that someone and enable him to actually achieve that improvement, a sufficiently broad mandate must be given - with clear, measurable and achievable goals.

I wonder who the three interested candidates mentioned in the article are...

[urabus-denoS2000]

Jaromir Tarabus will start with his Punto in Wales Rally GB in PCWRC (Motoring Club 2): http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7453

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_44a975a20f9fb709ab1e24ece410642b.jpg

Very good news!

[Saabaru]

Two interesting stories
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71113
DR if I remember correctly was the global promoter from about 1999 with ISC and was frustrated back then when FIA insisted it was "their championship, their ruleas and their calendar" It looks to me like that the Max & Bernie show still dont want a strong WRC. Especially when you read this - it shows Lapworths frustrations with FIA tinkering when the fundamentals are still not resolved.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71114

With all of this why do people still feel the need to protect the F1A?
FIA = :mad: Independent Rally championship = :D

[wrc_flipper]

Wow, looks like the FIA have had a few too many drinks at the meeting!

1. Managing to scare ISC with putting the license up for renewal when they have two years to run - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71210
2. Not appointing a Global Promoter as requested by Ford, Subaru and others
3. No confirmed calendar for 2009

[pantealex]

Jaromir Tarabus will start with his Punto in Wales Rally GB in PCWRC (Motoring Club 2): http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=7453
Motoring Club 2 = number 46 = Jari Ketomaa. Is he really out for wales?
I think Tarabus will drive for Motoring Club 1 or 3 (numbers 45/47)

[AndyRAC]

Wow, looks like the FIA have had a few too many drinks at the meeting!

1. Managing to scare ISC with putting the license up for renewal when they have two years to run - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71210
2. Not appointing a Global Promoter as requested by Ford, Subaru and others
3. No confirmed calendar for 2009

Just proves what we've all known for years- they couldn't give a toss for the WRC, the sooner it disappears the better. Well they're nearly there.

[FAlonso]

I don´t know if this has already been mentioned but spanish newspaper Marca lauched a story about a possible VW entry in the WRC from 2011 onwords. The base model would be the Scirocco. The news also states that Carlos Sainz could be the leading figure (as team principal I presume) behind the opperation while Dani Sordo could be in line for a drive with the team.
Of course the Rally-Raid commitment would have to be sorted out first.
I don´t know if there's any truth in this rumour but I believe it would be very interesting.

Links(spanish or portuguese only sorry):

Sp:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/rallies/es/desarrollo/1172657.html

Pt: http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.plp=stories&op=view&fokey=as.stories/59273

[MJW]

Apparently FIA said no as the Scirocco is 1810mm wide and FIA's limit is 1800 mm wide cars. Ford and other manufactureres said they would accept the Sciorcco provided the track width was no more than 1800 and Ford said cars are getting larger to accomodate safety features. I dont know what VW's reaction was to the initial no from FIA.

[AndyRAC]

Apparently FIA said no as the Scirocco is 1810mm wide and FIA's limit is 1800 mm wide cars. Ford and other manufactureres said they would accept the Sciorcco provided the track width was no more than 1800 and Ford said cars are getting larger to accomodate safety features. I dont know what VW's reaction was to the initial no from FIA.

If they've got any sense, walk away and do Touring cars - WTCC/DTM!! VW come showing an interest and they can't find a compromise - thanks F1A.

[Donney]

I don´t know if this has already been mentioned but spanish newspaper Marca lauched a story about a possible VW entry in the WRC from 2011 onwords. The base model would be the Scirocco. The news also states that Carlos Sainz could be the leading figure (as team principal I presume) behind the opperation while Dani Sordo could be in line for a drive with the team.
Of course the Rally-Raid commitment would have to be sorted out first.
I don´t know if there's any truth in this rumour but I believe it would be very interesting.

Links(spanish or portuguese only sorry):

Sp:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/rallies/es/desarrollo/1172657.html

Pt: http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.plp=stories&op=view&fokey=as.stories/59273


It has been commented in many Spanish forums but as usual if it comes from Marca it is likely to be a piece of bull.

I won't believe till I hear Sainz confirming it.

[OldF]

I don´t know if this has already been mentioned but spanish newspaper Marca lauched a story about a possible VW entry in the WRC from 2011 onwords. The base model would be the Scirocco. The news also states that Carlos Sainz could be the leading figure (as team principal I presume) behind the opperation while Dani Sordo could be in line for a drive with the team.
Of course the Rally-Raid commitment would have to be sorted out first.
I don´t know if there's any truth in this rumour but I believe it would be very interesting.

Links(spanish or portuguese only sorry):

Sp:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/motor/rallies/es/desarrollo/1172657.html

Pt: http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.plp=stories&op=view&fokey=as.stories/59273

As MJW already wrote and by this article in gpweek, WRCC is going to recommend to WMSC not to allow changes to the WRC cars dimensions.

http://mag.gpweek.com/?iid=7164, World ranking for WRC? page 16

[AndyRAC]

It's a good online magazine, very interesting read on a Monday morning.
As for the World Ranking system, is this another gimmick that comes along every week, along with a Winter calender, points for TV stages, etc

[Saabaru]

Just proves what we've all known for years- they couldn't give a toss for the WRC, the sooner it disappears the better. Well they're nearly there.
I was talking about the car as a whole.

[Motorsportfun]

Looks like the FIA decided to modify the maximum wide to 1810mm wide, in order to allow VW and Ford's new Focus. Thanks god... wake up FIA!

[jonkka]

Rule should be about maximum track width, body shell width is irrelevant. Besides, I think that maximum width should be proportional to length instead of the current two-step rule (1800mm for 4200mm or longer and 1770mm for shorter cars).

[OldF]

Rule should be about maximum track width, body shell width is irrelevant. Besides, I think that maximum width should be proportional to length instead of the current two-step rule (1800mm for 4200mm or longer and 1770mm for shorter cars).

I agree with you. It’s quite silly that a car that is 4,45 m long has to have same width as a 4,21 m long car.

[RS]

The only problem with having a lot of different track widths is the ruts created on gravel rallies. I agree though that the width needs to be increased, but if it is too stepped it might put off some manufacturers with smaller cars.

[Saabaru]

Just proves what we've all known for years- they couldn't give a toss for the WRC, the sooner it disappears the better. Well they're nearly there.
The FIA will never allow that to happen. If the WRC disappears then the FIA loses control of world rally and the next championship might overshadow there precious F1 go-cart race. The FIA will do just enough to keep the WRC going and nothing more.

[jonkka]

The only problem with having a lot of different track widths is the ruts created on gravel rallies.

That's true but I've wondered how the increased width (1770=>1800mm) hasn't raised such worries? I remember when Subaru experimented with wide-track Impreza in 1998 they had difficulties with car jumping out of ruts and McRae actually preferred the narrow track version even if it was theoretically slower.

[Lousada]

Why is there a regulation for length/width anyway? If it's road legal it should be able to compete.

[jonkka]

Why is there a regulation for length/width anyway? If it's road legal it should be able to compete.

Interesting question. Given the packaging problems that smaller cars (206WRC being a fine example) have, it could be possible to do away with the dimensional limitations. Especially since the production cars are getting wider and wider, making it more difficult for manufacturers to find suitable car to base WRCar on.

[OldF]

Let see if there are going to be any heat problems with the S2000+ cars, which are all quite small cars. The boost is lower than the boost of WRC cars but still.

[wwbroe]

I don't know if it is posted allready somewhere here on the forum, but i will put it here anyhow. Citroen and Red Bull are going to work together in 2009 season also, so no changes over there. Concerning 2010 there is nothing decided yet and it will remain to be seen if they will stay in WRC or not. ;)

[Buzz Lightyear]

I don't know if it is posted allready somewhere here on the forum, but i will put it here anyhow. Citroen and Red Bull are going to work together in 2009 season also, so no changes over there. Concerning 2010 there is nothing decided yet and it will remain to be seen if they will stay in WRC or not. ;)


Everything point to a pull out for 2010 for Citroen.

Sordo has a contract just for next year,
Redbull Extended contract for one year,
Seb getting itchy feet,
Citroen are only committed for end of 2009.

[Zes]

Everything point to a pull out for 2010 for Citroen.

Sordo has a contract just for next year,
Redbull Extended contract for one year,
Seb getting itchy feet,
Citroen are only committed for end of 2009.

Well, it would be stupid to commit for 2010, if you don't know the rules yet.

[Leon]

Two rumours from Greek site rally.gr:

Suzuki to continue in WRC with current line-up

VW enters WRC in 2011 with Prodrive.

any more news or confirmations of the above?

[AndyRAC]

Two rumours from Greek site rally.gr:

Suzuki to continue in WRC with current line-up

VW enters WRC in 2011 with Prodrive.

any more news or confirmations of the above?

With Prodrive????

Erm, were does that leave Subaru??

[Motorsportfun]

Maybe they make two programmes together... They make loads of things: Subaru, Aston Martin, etc...

[RS]

I think it would be a bit of a conflict of interest to run two WRC programmes though..

I also can't see why VW would chose Prodrive based on recent performance.

I don't know why VW would seriously consider joining WRC at the moment until it's (WRCs) current problems are sorted out either.

[Motorsportfun]

WRC for VW will be anyway better compared to the Dakar and Dakar Series coverage and popularity.

[grugsticles]

I think it would be a bit of a conflict of interest to run two WRC programmes though..

I also can't see why VW would chose Prodrive based on recent performance.

I don't know why VW would seriously consider joining WRC at the moment until it's (WRCs) current problems are sorted out either.
I tend to agree.

But if you look at in the other hand, Prodrive has a great history, vast resources and Boss with pulling power in the WRC.
M-Sport obviously runs more than one team so I cant really see why Prodrive couldnt do the same. Mind you, its the hard way to do things. I would have thought it be a smarter move to get some other company with WRC experience to run a VW program (Bozian, RED, Kronos etc.).

In any case, Id still welcome VW to the championship.

[AndyRAC]

M-Sport runs more than 1 team , but they are all Ford. I don't know why VW would want to go to Prodrive - they haven't covered themselves in glory recently in WRC, though the GT1`Astons have been going reasonably well. Why not do it in-house? They've got the resources of Audi, etc

[jonkka]

I would have thought it be a smarter move to get some other company with WRC experience to run a VW program (Bozian, RED, Kronos etc.).

It's a different thing to run a car already developed by someone else than to actually develop the car from scratch - and AFAIK teams you mentioned do not have experience or resources from top class rally car development.

If VW rumor is true, I too am surprised if they team up with Prodrive, mostly because of Subaru contact should have a non-competing clause in it. VW would be an ideal company to join, big and well suited to WRC.

[jonkka]

I don't know why VW would want to go to Prodrive - they haven't covered themselves in glory recently in WRC, though the GT1`Astons have been going reasonably well. Why not do it in-house? They've got the resources of Audi, etc

What comes to Prodrive's lack of success lately has been discussed in various "why Subaru isn't winning" -threads so I don't delve too deep into that but I think that the base car has some blame to shoulder.

But the in-house team might be an interesting proposal, after all when Martin Muehlmeier took over the Skoda WRT a couple of years back, one of his strengths was said to be inside knowledge and ability to draw resources from Audi Sport. Unfortunately, that did not bear fruit but VW could easily find knowledgeable people from withing the company. Granted, they'd need a skilled chief engineer but hey, didn't Michel Nandan leave Suzuki?

Just for the record: I believe this VW rumor when I see it happen.

[AndyRAC]

I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I knew VW Group have different companies assigned for different sporting series;
Audi - Le Mans/Sportscars
Seat - Touring Cars
Skoda - Rallying
VW - ?????
So were does this leave Skoda? Will they stay in IRC? Questions, questions

[Ghostwalker]

I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I knew VW Group have different companies assigned for different sporting series;
Audi - Le Mans/Sportscars
Seat - Touring Cars
Skoda - Rallying
VW - ?????
So were does this leave Skoda? Will they stay in IRC? Questions, questions

VW is in the Dakar Rally with the Tuaregs. but besides from that i dont think they are in any series.

[jonkka]

From VW media site, they do the following:
-Cross-country rallies (Dakar and others) with Race Touareg
-Formula 3 Euro series
-ADAC Volkswagen Polo Cup
-ADAC Formula Masters
-miscellaneous like Jetta TDI Cup in USA etc

[jbmarcus21]

Hi all ... News about Marcus here : http://yle.fi/urheilu/lajit/moottoriurheilu/ralli/2008/10/gronholmin_veri_vetaa_takaisin_ralliteille_124478. html

If finnish members can translate about it ??

Big thanks by advance

[Mirek]

I'll believe it when I see it. As far as I knew VW Group have different companies assigned for different sporting series;
Audi - Le Mans/Sportscars
Seat - Touring Cars
Skoda - Rallying
VW - ?????
So were does this leave Skoda? Will they stay in IRC? Questions, questions

It depends on how good Fabia S2000 is next season and how new WRC rulles look like.

[BTCC2]

I haven't really shown much of an interest in WRC since 2005/2006 when all of the manufacturers seemed to leave, although I do keep an eye on results and watch it when I see it on.

I was just wondering if it is likely or not that we will see the return of many more manufacturers within the near future?

[Buzz Lightyear]

Ogier confirmed in C4 for Rally GB

[jbmarcus21]

pics
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/uploads/pics/news_wm_20081020-1.jpg

[Buzz Lightyear]

Looking at the 'sponsors', it must be great to be french rally driver!

[alexlake]

that looks very cool. thumbs up!

[AndyRAC]

Nice of the FFSA to have helped him!!
Now where's our MSA.....???

[CABAIO E'LONA]

is exactly as i imagined... nice livery!!

[alexlake]

is exactly as i imagined... nice livery!!

looks just like it should, the C2s big brother! :D

[MikeD]

Ogier confirmed in C4 for Rally GB

Ohhh goddie :up: I have very high hopes for this kid...

[Livewireshock]

The FFSA can afford to do this, now they do not have to pay Mr. B.E. $Xmillion for a French F1GP in 2009.

LOL

[Lalo]

Congratulations to Sèb-Og for this oportunity in GB. He really deserves it.

And what a cool livery! :D

[alleskids]

Valentino Ross wil defenitly drive a Ford Focus WRC in Wales rally GB. He will drive the same car in the Monza rally, to get a sort of ritme and feeling with the car.

[Roy]

Valentino Ross wil defenitly drive a Ford Focus WRC in Wales rally GB. He will drive the same car in the Monza rally, to get a sort of ritme and feeling with the car.

He choose a good car :D

[Motorsportfun]

Ford Focus WRCar, used by Hirvonen in Spain and Corsica, will be at the start of Monza Rally Show in Italy, driven by Italian privateers champion Luca Cantamessa! :D

[Motorsportfun]

Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen went into a Grande Punto Abarth S2000 car at recent Rallye du Valais, in Switzerland. The Finn tried Alen's works car.

More on: http://www.racingworld.it/f1/notizia.php?idtitolo=10838&url=clamoroso-kimi-raikkonen-al-volante-della-punto-abarth-s2000


It will be the first step for Abarth' return in the WRC from 2010? I hope so! :D

[RS]

It will be the first step for Abarth' return in the WRC from 2010? I hope so! :D

If IRC continues to develop the way it has done this year then maybe Abarth would be better off staying there.

[Motorsportfun]

WRC is now not good, but IRC is a series for privateers, not for Manufacturers.

4 in the WRC (Citroen, Ford, Subaru and Suzuki... interested to a works programme: Volkswagen and Abarth)

1 in the IRC (Abarth, Peugeot is just present as importers)

:rolleyes:

[RS]

WRC is now not good, but IRC is a series for privateers, not for Manufacturers.

4 in the WRC (Citroen, Ford, Subaru and Suzuki... interested to a works programme: Volkswagen and Abarth)

1 in the IRC (Abarth, Peugeot is just present as importers)

:rolleyes:

Peugeot are running a works team on Monte, and Skoda's plans aren't clear yet whether it will be a full works team or works supported. If Suzuki leave WRC, then...

[Motorsportfun]

Peugeot are running a works team on Monte, and Skoda's plans aren't clear yet whether it will be a full works team or works supported. If Suzuki leave WRC, then...


Skoda, for the moment, don't have any plan to run a works team in the IRC, as VW wants to use Dakar budget to develop a Scirocco. Two programmes together are not possible. Peugeot-Citroen docet.


Peugeot works in Monaco? Wow, great, 2 cars in just a rally, and the rest of the season? Privateers? :rolleyes: :D

[RS]

Skoda, for the moment, don't have any plan to run a works team in the IRC, as VW wants to use Dakar budget to develop a Scirocco. Two programmes together are not possible. Peugeot-Citroen docet.

IRC and WRC are different championships, that it like saying Audi cannot run Lemans because VW wants to run in WRC. Skoda should announce their plans soon, I think it is more likely that they will support Kopecky's team, but they will pay towards this as they did in 2006 and 2007 WRC.

I think Abarth and VW should both wait for technical rules and promoter contracts to be settled before commiting to the WRC.

[AndyRAC]

IRC and WRC are different championships, that it like saying Audi cannot run Lemans because VW wants to run in WRC. Skoda should announce their plans soon, I think it is more likely that they will support Kopecky's team, but they will pay towards this as they did in 2006 and 2007 WRC.

I think Abarth and VW should both wait for technical rules and promoter contracts to be settled before commiting to the WRC.

The problem for Skoda is, as they are owned by VW, what Skoda does is what they are told by VW, and such how much of a budget they get. This I think was one of the problems before - they needed much more money to test and develop. As we've seen from Suzuki, if you're going to do a Championship properly, you need a proper budget. Maybe Skoda will do IRC, and VW the WRC, who knows??

[Motorsportfun]

I totally agree with AndyRAC. VW don't touch the budget for Skoda, but it will delete the works programme in the Dakar (not as interesting for the media as some years ago). Actually, WRC (although is bad compared to many series like F1, GP2, WTCC, etc.) is better than Dakar rallies, has a better coverage.

[Tomi]

IRC and WRC are different championships,

Of theese only WRC is a championship the other is a challenge.

[Tom206wrc]

I totally agree with AndyRAC. VW don't touch the budget for Skoda, but it will delete the works programme in the Dakar (not as interesting for the media as some years ago). Actually, WRC (although is bad compared to many series like F1, GP2, WTCC, etc.) is better than Dakar rallies, has a better coverage.



From my point of view Dakar has a rather good media coverage :confused:

[Wim_Impreza]

From my point of view Dakar has a rather good media coverage :confused:

That is just because there are much French succesful drivers there, as example Stéphane Peterhansel, Luc Alphand, Jean-Louis Schlesser. You had also Bruno Saby, Jean-Pierre Fontenay... in the past.

[Motorsportfun]

Dakar has a good coverage just because is organized by ASO and there are loads of French successful drivers. Out of France, the media coverage is so low...

[RS]

Of theese only WRC is a championship the other is a challenge.

That's right, IRC is a challenge, but WRC is rather easy if your name is Loeb ;)

[ProRally]

Just heard that Suzuki will NOT take part in next year WRC, maybe it is old news but new to me.

[jonkka]

Just heard that Suzuki will NOT take part in next year WRC, maybe it is old news but new to me.

Where did you hear this? I'd like confirmation...

[jbmarcus21]

Mikkelsen spoke in Autosport Magazine .. he wants to drive for Subaru ..

Richards confirmed P.Solberg & Atkinson for M1 Team.. and said maybe a second M1 Team...

No doubt Mikkelsen wants to drive a M1 Team .. Because he wants to be official driver.. So a M1 team make obligatory 2 cars ..

So maybe a second Team M1 with Subaru .. with 2 drivers .. Mikkelsen and... Marcus ?

[Buzz Lightyear]

Mikkelsen spoke in Autosport Magazine .. he wants to drive for Subaru ..

Richards confirmed P.Solberg & Atkinson for M1 Team.. and said maybe a second M1 Team...

No doubt Mikkelsen wants to drive a M1 Team .. Because he wants to be official driver.. So a M1 team make obligatory 2 cars ..

So maybe a second Team M1 with Subaru .. with 2 drivers .. Mikkelsen and... Marcus ?

Sure Brice Tiribassi is a 'works driver'?

[jonkka]

Define "works"...

[jbmarcus21]

tests driver you want to say Buzz ?

[Woodeye]

So maybe a second Team M1 with Subaru .. with 2 drivers .. Mikkelsen and... Marcus ?

There's no way that's going to happen. Marcus has already told that he's not coming back.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen spoke in Autosport Magazine .. he wants to drive for Subaru ..

Richards confirmed P.Solberg & Atkinson for M1 Team.. and said maybe a second M1 Team...

No doubt Mikkelsen wants to drive a M1 Team .. Because he wants to be official driver.. So a M1 team make obligatory 2 cars ..

So maybe a second Team M1 with Subaru .. with 2 drivers .. Mikkelsen and... Marcus ?

They can’t run another M1 team, but they can run as many cars as they like in SWRT.
Main difference for Mikkelsen is that he then could run the new parts homologated after 1/1 (dampers++).
Also he (or rather his father) is not a big fan of the Adapta team :D

[Buzz Lightyear]

Define "works"...

If you have enough money, and dont need sponsors, you can demand to have a 'works' car.... step forward Brice and Khaled.


They can’t run another M1 team, but they can run as many cars as they like in SWRT.

Exactly, just becuase they are not register for M1 Team, does not mean they can't score driver points, as an SWRT driver.

[Tomi]

Also he (or rather his father) is not a big fan of the Adapta team :D

Im not surprised ;)
But seriously speaking I think Subaru is the best place for Mikkelsen if he want soon to become a works driver, it's likely that from there comes the next avilable seat.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Im not surprised ;)
But seriously speaking I think Subaru is the best place for Mikkelsen if he want soon to become a works driver, it's likely that from there comes the next avilable seat.

It smacks a bit of desperation that he would sacrifice winning rally’s, for the prestige of wearing works overalls.

[jonkka]

They can’t run another M1 team.

Why not? I checked Manufacturer and Manufacturer Team rules and there is no limitation that I see.

[Viking]

Why not? I checked Manufacturer and Manufacturer Team rules and there is no limitation that I see.

Hm.. maybe they can, don’t tell Malcolm Wilson ;)
Seriously what would be the point with it? Use more money and compete with themselves for 3`rd place in Manufactures Championship?

[jonkka]

I didn't say there would be any point, I merely noted that there doesn't appear to be limitations.

[Tomi]

It smacks a bit of desperation that he would sacrifice winning rally’s, for the prestige of wearing works overalls.

I think every driver who are seriously trying in WRC events goal is to become works drivers.

[Buzz Lightyear]

I think every driver who are seriously trying in WRC events goal is to become works drivers.

then its fame they seek, not success.

[Tomi]

then its fame they seek, not success.

I would say that they want to become professional rally drivers, who get money from what they do, instead of bringing the money every year.

[DonJippo]

then its fame they seek, not success.

I believe what they seek is getting paid and not to have to pay.

[Viking]

It smacks a bit of desperation that he would sacrifice winning rally’s, for the prestige of wearing works overalls.

Which M2 driver has won any rally?
A 2009 Subaru should at least be as good as a 2008 Citroen and Ford (hopefully).

[RS]

I believe what they seek is getting paid and not to have to pay.

So it's just a job then?

If Subaru ran two M1 teams, they couldn't both score for 'Subaru' surely.

[DonJippo]

So it's just a job then?

If you get paid then yes, don't know how else to call it.

[wrc_flipper]

Just been looking at Ofcoms website (sorry its part of my job!) and no licenses have been requested for Wales during the Rally weekend - also its passed the time to put an application in.
It will be a shame to to be able to hear event information on FM - will have to take the iPod touch and listen to WRC radio over the internet.

[AndyRAC]

Just been looking at Ofcoms website (sorry its part of my job!) and no licenses have been requested for Wales during the Rally weekend - also its passed the time to put an application in.
It will be a shame to to be able to hear event information on FM - will have to take the iPod touch and listen to WRC radio over the internet.

I think Radio LeMans are doing coverage of Rally GB again this year, last year they had Mark James as part of the commentators. Better than the usual WRC Radio.

[wrc_flipper]

I think Radio LeMans are doing coverage of Rally GB again this year, last year they had Mark James as part of the commentators. Better than the usual WRC Radio.

No information on the wales rally gb site - apart from an old link - Its quite expensive to do an station for the weekend - perhaps they are not bothering.
At least we have some live coverage of the sport on the internet.

[c4]

Citroen Sport confirm M2 team for 09 and Rautenbach will be one of the drivers
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/citroen-confirm-m2-2009/

[Micke_VOC]

Citroen Sport confirm M2 team for 09 and Rautenbach will be one of the drivers
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/citroen-confirm-m2-2009/

Good with a M2 team, but with rautenbach ??

Aava and Ogier had been a proper choice.
or someone else like Wilks, Mikkelssen or Meeke.

[jbmarcus21]

News and rumours : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/team09.htm

[noel157]

Citroen Sport confirm M2 team for 09 and Rautenbach will be one of the drivers
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/citroen-confirm-m2-2009/

I know he's bought the seat and therefore has a right to be there but..........
Sorry, what a waste of a good seat going by his performances so far. maybe he will improve but I suspect not.

[MikeD]

Steve Perez will enter Rally GB with a Ford Focus WRC. Don't know which team will run it (M-Sport, Dom B or BTR perhaps).

[jbmarcus21]

yes ;)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3356/rallyperez1carl470x313xj0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6638/rallyperez2carl470x313ce7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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[ProRally]

News and rumours : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/team09.htm

Are you sure Suzuki will continue, rumors has it they will stop....

[jbmarcus21]

i dont know.. yess a rumour exist.. but nothing heared ...

[PLuto]

As I know from my discussion on Corse, Suzuki will continue in 2009.

[Brother John]

Always said that you can not cooperate with the French! :rolleyes:
Source: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2008/11/02/subaru-verklagt-bos/index.html / translated with YAHOO! BABEL FISH.
Shortly after that the Subaru team Pro Drive announced, starting from 2009 with shock absorbers of the Swedish company Öhlins to the WRC, team head David Richard told that he will pull with substantial demands for payment of damages against its past partner BOS before court.
„There were by the dozen problems in quality, arrangements was not kept.
At the conclusion we waited, grumble the absorbers completely “ told the Englishman.
Since then the drivers complain regularly over chassis problems.
Pro drive drives for scarcely two years into the Rallye WRC with bad absorbers.
At the end of October are the first Öhlins absorbers at pro drive to be supplied. After it first tests with the new outfitter line up briefly.
Sweden, Öhlins is not in the Rallye an unknown quantity. They were in the late 90's as partners of Mitsubishi one of the guarantors for the four world champion titles of Tommi Mäkinen.

[alleskids]

Sebastien Loeb will agian try a Formula 1 Car. On 17th november he will drive the Reb Bull-Renault F1 car on Barcelona. Last year he drove the Renault F1 car.

[c4]

Here's an article re: Loeb and another F1 test
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/loeb-test-red-bull-racing-f1/

[jbmarcus21]

Sarrazin and Tirabassi will be the drivers of the Team B of Subaru. But no in same time in one rally, because Subaru just give just one car in Team B..

Sarrazin and Tirabassi will drive and would be divided in this 3rd car...

And perharps in Tarmac round, replace Solberg or Atkinson for the manufacturers points..

Look : http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/sarrazin-tirabassi-subaru-09/

[urabus-denoS2000]

Sarrazin is going to be a works Peugeot and Subaru driver ?

[jbmarcus21]

Sarrazin is going to be a works Peugeot and Subaru driver ?

Yess It is strange.. Because he will drive IRC Monte Carlo in 207S2000. And 1week later Irlande Wrc09 ... Strange..

[JRodrigues]

Sarrazin and Tirabassi will be the drivers of the Team B of Subaru. But no in same time in one rally, because Subaru just give just one car in Team B..

Sarrazin and Tirabassi will drive and would be divided in this 3rd car...

And perharps in Tarmac round, replace Solberg or Atkinson for the manufacturers points..

Look : http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/sarrazin-tirabassi-subaru-09/

Very strange.. Specially since either of them were way off the pace of Petter and Chris on the rallies they entered.

[Buzz Lightyear]

yawn..yawnn.....

sarazzin and tirabassi... what a formidable force...

loeb will not sleep tonight thinking of how these tarmac experts are going to perform.

do they have no consideration for all those micro-organisms that died needlessly, on the sea-bed, millions of years ago... just to put fuel in tirabassi's car... criminal

[Wim]

No use bringing these guys back in..The only way to go forward is bringing a top driver in like Duval, Sordo,Latvala...Remember the times when Carlos Sainz came to SWRT. They went straight to the top!
Personally I'd like Latvala to come. He reminds me of Colin Mc Rae. He has the speed to win, no matter what car...

[jbmarcus21]

Pivato health is now better.. He opens eyes when they speak.

But an other problem is now. Pivato had no insurance, for the Rally out of Europe !!!! ... All the money for chirurgical and hospital are for him !!
Days for collect money are now organize with many karting race etccc...
If you want to give money : [email:12a90yh7]anthony@fduval.com[/email:12a90yh7]

[jbmarcus21]

the article translate in english with google..

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.fduval.com/&&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en

[Tom206wrc]

I can't believe Sarrazin to drive a Subaru next year !!!! Impossible if he's still under Peugeot contract :eek: :eek:

[J.Lindstroem]

No use bringing these guys back in..The only way to go forward is bringing a top driver in like Duval, Sordo,Latvala...Remember the times when Carlos Sainz came to SWRT. They went straight to the top!
Personally I'd like Latvala to come. He reminds me of Colin Mc Rae. He has the speed to win, no matter what car...

I think it is a complete joke to let Tirabassi and especally Sarrazin to drive the second team of Subaru. When i first hird that Subaru is planning for a second team i thought that they did a real investment to make the car a top contender. I thought that they where going to put a real driver in the car, just like you are saying. There are many drivers out there who can develope Subaru to be good again, maybe not as good as when Sainz came there, but many can do it better than these to drivers who hav'nt really showed anything in a blue car. I'm thinking about Duval, aim thinking about Galli or some finnish ones, Hanninen, Gardemeister. Put Loix there, at leat that whould be better than Sarrazin and Tirabassi.

Now i understand that it is all about money, again!!

[RS]

I think it is a complete joke to let Tirabassi and especally Sarrazin to drive the second team of Subaru.

It's funny you should say that because I think Sarrazin would be much better than Tirabassi. Sarrazin had some quite respectable results in the Impreza, at least on asphalt.

[jbmarcus21]

Ogier is now confirmed in Citroen Sport with a 3rd CAR !!! In Team M1 for 6 first rally of 2009 !!

http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwrc.is.free.fr%2Fposts%2F2008%2F1 1%2F04%2F830-sebastien-ogier-en-wrc-en-2009&.intl=fr

[RS]

Ogier is now confirmed in Citroen Sport with a 3rd CAR !!! In Team M1 for 6 first rally of 2009 !!

http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwrc.is.free.fr%2Fposts%2F2008%2F1 1%2F04%2F830-sebastien-ogier-en-wrc-en-2009&.intl=fr

Now that is good news!

[Buzz Lightyear]

its not official, just paraphrasing what quenel said last week at japan. quenel also raised doubts that he was quick enough, as the jwrc was poor compared with previous years, but they are prepared to give him a chance.

[pettersolberg29]

http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/gronholm-mikkelsen-subaru-test/

Looks like Mikkelsen is 'confirmed' for Subaru - probably in an M2 team rather than in an Adapta team with Ostberg as he says he wants a works drive.

Marcus in the Adapta team, possibly sharing with Tirabassi and Sarrazin, also looks possible, or even in another M2 Subaru with Mikkelsen.

[Barreis]

Ogier is now confirmed in Citroen Sport with a 3rd CAR !!! In Team M1 for 6 first rally of 2009 !!

http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=fr_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwrc.is.free.fr%2Fposts%2F2008%2F1 1%2F04%2F830-sebastien-ogier-en-wrc-en-2009&.intl=fr

Good news!

[urabus-denoS2000]

Wow,great news!
Maybe early to say but there is a new title contender

[wrc_flipper]

Great interview and pictures from the Fiesta SportingTrophy contender Burcu Çetinkaya, at http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/rallybuzz-questions-cetinkaya/

[Leon]

How about Henning for 2009? I have the impression that the expert contract ends this year. Any news on that?

[COD]

Pivato health is now better.. He opens eyes when they speak.

But an other problem is now. Pivato had no insurance, for the Rally out of Europe !!!! ... All the money for chirurgical and hospital are for him !!
Days for collect money are now organize with many karting race etccc...
If you want to give money : [email:bhxk2juc]anthony@fduval.com[/email:bhxk2juc]

Nice to hear that he is improving.

But I can not understand how a co-driver on that level can rally without a proper insurance. Unbelievable as those insuraces are available.

[MJW]

Nice to hear that he is improving.

But I can not understand how a co-driver on that level can rally without a proper insurance. Unbelievable as those insuraces are available.
Remember Japan was not originally scheduled for Duval / Pivato. I am not saying it was, but it could have been that he (Pivato) overlooked the insurance issue. Can you remember everything about your insurance policies, and what is included and what's not?

[MJW]

How about Henning for 2009? I have the impression that the expert contract ends this year. Any news on that?
I think you are correct, Henning had a sponsorship with Expert in 2006 (the year he was in the team OMV with Manfred) however in December 2006 the deal was made with Expert as 'lead sponsor' for the team with a published 50m NOK sponsorship for two years, which would have been 2007 and 2008. 5Om NOK works out at about £5m - roughly the £2,5m a year it costs (allegedly) for a Stbart drive. Based on that info, it looks like its time to renew the sponsor or hunt for another sponsor.

[Glee]

Based on that info, it looks like its time to renew the sponsor or hunt for another sponsor.

I would be please with that. I have been shopping lots of stuff from Expert the last years to support them (refrigerator, freezer, barbecue, digital camera, heaters and more), and is going to buy a dishwasher from them soon...

[cut the b.s.]

I would be please with that. I have been shopping lots of stuff from Expert the last years to support them (refrigerator, freezer, barbecue, digital camera, heaters and more), and is going to buy a dishwasher from them soon...


Do you just buy from them or have you gone further and let them know why you do? A little feedback to big sponsors can help drivers come renegotiation time.

Henning is a great guy, but he hasnt really gone forward this year IMHO

[L5->R5/CR]

How about Henning for 2009? I have the impression that the expert contract ends this year. Any news on that? I think you are correct, Henning had a sponsorship with Expert in 2006 (the year he was in the team OMV with Manfred) however in December 2006 the deal was made with Expert as 'lead sponsor' for the team with a published 50m NOK sponsorship for two years, which would have been 2007 and 2008. 5Om NOK works out at about £5m - roughly the £2,5m a year it costs (allegedly) for a Stbart drive. Based on that info, it looks like its time to renew the sponsor or hunt for another sponsor.



Wasn't there some report a while back that said Expert were so happy with the relationship that they wanted to do a deal to always sponsor Henning as long as he was in the WRC? Or am I mistaken...

[Tomi]

Henning is a great guy, but he hasnt really gone forward this year IMHO

Agree its wasted money, it would be better to put it on some young talented guy who might have a future in rally.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen is still considering several offers, and he thinks Impreza will be a "very good car". (shoot Google translate and not me :) )

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport.no%2Fwip4% 2Fmikkelsen_klar_rallyverden%2Fd.epl%3Fid%3D326917&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en

[bennizw]

Will be a very good car when the Öhlins suspension is installed on the car from next year, he has said.

[Buzz Lightyear]

With all respect, I dont think Mikkelsen knows too much about setting a car up, therefore he is just listing to what others are saying.

[COD]

. Can you remember everything about your insurance policies, and what is included and what's not?

When I go and do something as dangerous as rallying in WRC car, I sure take care of my insurance. And even more so, if it was my profession.

[SubaruNorway]

Mikkelsen is still considering several offers, and he thinks Impreza will be a "very good car". (shoot Google translate and not me :) )

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport.no%2Fwip4% 2Fmikkelsen_klar_rallyverden%2Fd.epl%3Fid%3D326917&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&sl=no&tl=en

Said the engine felt strong and gearbox was perfect, just lacking some traction. He's driven Ford, Citroen and Subaru all within a short timespace so atleast he can get a good idea of which is good for him.

[User]

Duval said in a Belgian Newspaper that he is thinking of retiring with rallying. He said he was one of the top drivers, but that he doesn't even get money to pay the insurance. So unless he gets a good offer, he may retire.

And he doesn't want to search another co-driver, since they come along so good.

[Motorsportfun]

Is this the interview to Duval? http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/article/231059/duval-cela-fait-reflechir.html

[Buzz Lightyear]

Interesting words from Duval. He is right. If the sport wants to go professional and is soo commercialised, then why are the drivers, the stars or the show, especially of Duvals calibre, being asked to drive for nothing, and cant afford to pay insurance cover.

[wwbroe]

Is this the interview to Duval? http://www.dhnet.be/sports/moteurs/article/231059/duval-cela-fait-reflechir.html

Yes this is the interview, it was made by Olivier Dewilde for La Derniere Heure. Basically he says that he don't see the point of risking his life and that of his codriver if he is not even be paid to drive and doesn't have the money to have a decent insurance. He is also sayoing that Ford used him to take points out of Citroen, but he didn't see anybody of Ford team in the hospital in Japan after his crash. :(

[Buzz Lightyear]

Yes this is the interview, it was made by Olivier Dewilde for La Derniere Heure. Basically he says that he don't see the point of risking his life and that of his codriver if he is not even be paid to drive and doesn't have the money to have a decent insurance. He is also sayoing that Ford used him to take points out of Citroen, but he didn't see anybody of Ford team in the hospital in Japan after his crash. :(

welcome to wrc...

[Buzz Lightyear]

Its amazing the view from the other side of the fence...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72021

[bowler]

Yes this is the interview, it was made by Olivier Dewilde for La Derniere Heure. Basically he says that he don't see the point of risking his life and that of his codriver if he is not even be paid to drive and doesn't have the money to have a decent insurance. He is also sayoing that Ford used him to take points out of Citroen, but he didn't see anybody of Ford team in the hospital in Japan after his crash. :(

He is not correct in his comments about Ford people in the hospital. Ford's doctor was there Friday (where he spent the whole night), Saturday and Sunday. Other members of the Team were not allowed to attend because the condition was serious.

[Leon]

Most of the time Duval gives me the impression of a spoiled child. What is certain though is that he has two great talents. One, which is good, is how to drive, the other, not so good, is to burn bridges......

[Viking]

Hennings new toy.. Or maybe his seat in 2009?

http://www.gatebil.no/imagegallery/viewpic.php?action=showfull&vpic=11638&gll=263&tpic=3&maxp=8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrT2cDGO1qY

[Buzz Lightyear]

Most of the time Duval gives me the impression of a spoiled child. What is certain though is that he has two great talents. One, which is good, is how to drive, the other, not so good, is to burn bridges......

the other is being honest.

[Mirek]

Kresta will not continue as Prokop's chief engineer in 2009 season.

[HaCo]

]Kresta will not continue as Prokop's chief engineer in 2009 season.
Will Kropok drive to PWRC zith S2000?

[bluuford]

Is that possible that Galli can replace Duval in GB? How is his health? Just came into my mind.

[StevieWonder]

don´t think that galli could do rally wales with 100%

but maybe a good decision to make recce for pace notes (for next year)

[bluuford]

don´t think that galli could do rally wales with 100%

but maybe a good decision to make recce for pace notes (for next year)

He did recce in Spain and Corsica already.. and that was over month ago.

[bluuford]

don´t think that galli could do rally wales with 100%

but maybe a good decision to make recce for pace notes (for next year)

He did recce in Spain and Corsica already.. and that was over month ago.

[Motorsportfun]

Galli will do a Ronde Rally here in Italy in a "0" car. The event will be held this weekend :) :)

[RS]

]Kresta will not continue as Prokop's chief engineer in 2009 season.

Does Kresta have plans of his own for 2009?

[HaCo]

F Duval will start rally GB with Dennis Giraudet next to him, he confirmed that on his website. :-)

[pantealex]

F Duval will start rally GB with Dennis Giraudet next to him, he confirmed that on his website. :-)
So, who will be sitting next to Brynildsen if Giraudet is with Duval?

[ProRally]

Interesting words from Duval. He is right. If the sport wants to go professional and is soo commercialised, then why are the drivers, the stars or the show, especially of Duvals calibre, being asked to drive for nothing, and cant afford to pay insurance cover.

There are decent priced insurances available, Duval just wants them for free...
With the money he makes from his sponsorship deals he can afford a very good insurance policy....

[Mirek]

Does Kresta have plans of his own for 2009?

Nothing official yet but I presume he already has. Let's wait...

[SubaruNorway]

So, who will be sitting next to Brynildsen if Giraudet is with Duval?


Most likely Veronica Engan, Mads Østberg's GF.

[Barreis]

What about Mr. Grondal?

[Livewireshock]

F Duval will start rally GB with Dennis Giraudet next to him, he confirmed that on his website. :-)

I bet he has a copy of his policy document attached to his pace note book.

[Stalks]

Hi. Has anyone any ideas of which team Juho Hanninen is going to next year? I understand it will be announced after Rally GB.
Did I miss this discussion already? (apologies if I have).

[c4]

An interesting interview with Neil Cole of World Rally on Dave
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/neil-cole-interview-rallybuzz/

[bowler]

the other is being honest.

in this case he is not giving the correct information, or has been reported wrongly.

I tend to think that the reporter has not understood because Francois did not know about Patrick's insurance, but did know that the Ford Doctor sat alongside him for 3 hours on Sunday

[RS]

Hi. Has anyone any ideas of which team Juho Hanninen is going to next year? I understand it will be announced after Rally GB.
Did I miss this discussion already? (apologies if I have).

According to rumours, he heavily crashed a Fabia S2000, just recently.

[Mirek]

Yes, that rumour goes by. The car is said to be written off...

[Miika]

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/GYI0056167204111211_1024x768.jpg

Citroen WRC five times world rally champion Sebastien Loeb of France has his seat fitting to prepare for his gift of a test in the Red Bull Racing Formula 1 car at the teams headquaters on November 12, 2008 in Milton Keynes, England. (Photo by Mark Thompson/Getty Images)

[sollitt]

That's not Loeb. That bloke's hair is combed and he's had a shave!

[Buzz Lightyear]

is that a photoshop job??

[Miika]

Must have been a slow day in the office if someone had the time to photoshop all these:

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/GYI0056167232111211_1024x768.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/4949/gyi00561672011112111024jf2.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2553/gyi00561671831112111024zr8.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5227/gyi00561671951112111024qr1.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2005/gyi00561671901112111024pc3.jpg

[Livewireshock]

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/GYI0056167204111211_1024x768.jpg

His expression makes him look like the schoolboy made to sit in the naughty chair.


Actually this got me thinking?

How many seats do they fit every year by all the teams?

Has they ever thought about an exhibition of past champions and persons of note. A different aspect of a driver in some ways.

Cameron McConville, Australian touring car driver and F1GP commentator for Channel Ten is getting the chance to try a Honda at Motegi on November 25th for Australian TV. At his seat fitting he came to the conclusion that Jenson Button "Has no bum!"

[Leon]

Any news about Suzuki´ s plans for 2009? They are "racing" Skoda for secrecy about their plans

[Tomi]

Hi. Has anyone any ideas of which team Juho Hanninen is going to next year? I understand it will be announced after Rally GB.
Did I miss this discussion already? (apologies if I have).

Nothing is sure yet, except that he will have a program for next year.

[stmoto]

Nothing is sure yet, except that he will have a program for next year.

What about other Finnish drivers? Any news/rumours?? Ketomaa, Rantanen, Sohlberg, Salo? Are they driving Wrc, Pwrc or Irc or what??

[Tomi]

What about other Finnish drivers? Any news/rumours?? Ketomaa, Rantanen, Sohlberg, Salo? Are they driving Wrc, Pwrc or Irc or what??

No idea yet, but I hope Ketomaa and Salo could arrange some drives, Rantanen better train here at home still to get some pace, and Sohlberg would be a wast of car. :)

[alleskids]

When the FIA members had to vote about the future of Max Mosley, Mohammed Ben Sulayem, the Middle East rally legend, rescued Mosley by arranging enough votes from Africa, the Midle East and Asie. Guess what he will be doing in the near futere ?

http://www.marathonrally.com/news/sulayem_elected_vice_president_on_fia_motor_sport_ council.10787.0.html

Sulayem, President of the Automobile and Touring Club of the UAE and a rallying legend in the Middle East, has been elected to the FIA World Motor Sport Council and named as Vice President of the FIA for Sport by the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile. His double appointment was confirmed on Monday by FIA President Max Mosley during the FIA General Assembly in Paris.
Purely coincedence ofcourse :) .

[bowler]

elections are held to fill a vacancy.

who was the out going member?

[COD]

What about other Finnish drivers? Any news/rumours?? Ketomaa, Rantanen, Sohlberg, Salo? Are they driving Wrc, Pwrc or Irc or what??


As known, Nikara will drive the 6 PWRC events as the winner of the Pirelli shootout Europe.

[Tomi]

There will not be a WRC event in Indonesia and Russia in 2010, instead of those the events will be in Finland and GB.

[grugsticles]

There will not be a WRC event in Indonesia and Russia in 2010, instead of those the events will be in Finland and GB.
Is that confirmed?
If so, thats excelent news!

[c4]

No WRC launch at Stormont for 2009
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/stormont-not-launch-wrc-2009/

Also, Mikkelsen might be doing national service in 09
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/mikkelsen-budget-2009/

[AndyRAC]

No WRC launch at Stormont for 2009
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/stormont-not-launch-wrc-2009/

Also, Mikkelsen might be doing national service in 09
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/mikkelsen-budget-2009/

So the 2009 WRC season will have a low key start - great!!! Just what the sport needs. NOT!!
Meanwhile the IRC will kick off in Monte................



..........the people in charge of the WRC appear to be idiots.

[MJW]

Monte, Finland and GB should never be dropped. Without wishing to 'knock' Ireland, its hardly a suitable substitute for Monaco harbour as a launch event for a season is it?

[L5->R5/CR]

There will not be a WRC event in Indonesia and Russia in 2010, instead of those the events will be in Finland and GB.

I am excited to hear GB and Finland back where they belong (on the calendar) but I was quite looking forward to Indonesia and the jungle mud bath...

[cut the b.s.]

Monte, Finland and GB should never be dropped. Without wishing to 'knock' Ireland, its hardly a suitable substitute for Monaco harbour as a launch event for a season is it?


They had good plans in Ireland for the launch, shame it wont happen, I think what they had planned was better than what has be done in Monaco.

Agree about Monte, Finland and GB though, I'd also add Greece to that list, I'd love to see them not only given protected places in the championship but given full freedom to run an event as they were 15/20 years ago with double points the reward for the finishers(and no superrally in them either)

[Tomi]

They had good plans in Ireland for the launch, shame it wont happen, I think what they had planned was better than what has be done in Monaco.

Agree about Monte, Finland and GB though, I'd also add Greece to that list, I'd love to see them not only given protected places in the championship but given full freedom to run an event as they were 15/20 years ago with double points the reward for the finishers(and no superrally in them either)

There will be changes in the supposed rotation system as well, about Monte nothing is sure, because they wanted to run only every second year.

[alexlake]

Monte, Finland and GB should never be dropped. Without wishing to 'knock' Ireland, its hardly a suitable substitute for Monaco harbour as a launch event for a season is it?

totally agree, GB and Finland should be mainstays :D :D

[Xsara Fan]

There will not be a WRC event in Indonesia and Russia in 2010, instead of those the events will be in Finland and GB.

Confirmation plz. Or is it your idea only?

[Tomi]

Confirmation plz. Or is it your idea only?

LOL, offcourse not my idea, it's from Jarmo Mahonen our member in the rally comission, good news dont you think.

[Lousada]

good news dont you think.

Said the Fin to the Russian :eek:

[Tomi]

Said the Fin to the Russian :eek:

i did not know he is russian, and its good news for the sport anyways.

[N.O.T]

the presentation of the greek Opel Corsa s2000

http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=gr_rally-news-article&race_id=0&article_id=15610

[noel157]

the presentation of the greek Opel Corsa s2000

http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=gr_rally-news-article&race_id=0&article_id=15610

"At the premises of Opel Kaltsounis, the group of wise guide presented in the first official new Opel Corsa S2000, which will adorn the presence of the Greek games, ximeronontas essentially a new era of racing cars, with the hope that other companies will also follow this example. The car, found a few days ago in our country, is manufactured by MSD, the same group was responsible for the presence of Hyundai in the World Rally Championship. Rally Australia in Rhodes, will not be able to fight as originally reported, because omologkasion, so look in the Sunday match in the hands of Kaltsouni-Exarchou as pilot car. The official presentation brought together the limelight, but also the people of GM Hellas, and who are satisfied with the opening of Thanks Kaltsouni, while on the side of the MSD This gave the team, David Whitehead.

Conversations with the British, it was easy to discern his enthusiasm for the project. He also was one of the people who worked hard to become a reality category S2000, after the MSD is among the companies that built one of the first S2000, the MG ZR S2000. The Whitehead told us that this car is one of the two available at this time. Regarding the performance, did not hesitate to tell us that the minimum tests that have been made so far, as a pilot car in races in Germany and Ireland, the times are a little better than the MG, which shows that an excellent basis to work. The cooperation of the team Thanks Kaltsouni will be particularly close, because through their matches in our country could see if the performance of the car hard chomatinous matches, while testing and reliability of mechanical parts. The aim of MSD, as we ekmystireftike, is the new years to find the car on IRC and with a top driver in baket.

Until then, the Greeks viewers will have the pleasure to enjoy the only car in the special stages of our country, starting from the 36th Black Rose Rally. And as we said and to the top of the article, I hope by this endeavor and be inspired to follow similar moves by other car companies by upgrading the level of Greek.

[Xsara Fan]

Said the Fin to the Russian :eek:

LOL :)

[Xsara Fan]

i did not know he is russian, and its good news for the sport anyways.

I don`t think so.

[RS]

about Monte nothing is sure, because they wanted to run only every second year.

Why is that? Because they cannot afford the fees?

[Tomi]

Why is that? Because they cannot afford the fees?

I dont know the reason but thats how it is, actually the whole rotating crap started because of that.