[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

[Tomi]

no..

maybe 1-2 more tests per season so not that much of a financial difference.

Then it's different from what it was before, "serious" teams tested different compounds before every rally.

[eloyf1]

GerarldQuinn tweets:

FIA just announces open tyres for the 2011 WRC season.

It's going to be an expensive season me thinks!
Additional testing of tyres from all suppliers in all compounds in differing conditions. Thats a lot of testing.


http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn
Expensive season? Maybe for works teams, but now privateers could be sponsored by tyre manufacturers... Hey, didn't Quesnel care about privateers?

[N.O.T]

Then it's different from what it was before, "serious" teams tested different compounds before every rally.

yes but as part of their testing program not indivudal tests. so the cost is about the same.

[DonJippo]

]It's not completely opened competition. FIA meant it as controlled tyres but with more suppliers. There should still be same number of available compounds and threads for each surface from each tyre maker. That's how I understand that.

That's my understanding as well, will be intresting to see how many suppliers will actually offer tyres for WRC with these conditions.

[Xsara Fan]

Novikov ?

No. But it can be a good choice...

[ProRally]

No. But it can be a good choice...

For the work security of the body shell workshop at Prodrive .... yes :D :D :D

[Wim_Impreza]

For the work security of the body shell workshop at Prodrive .... yes :D :D :D

They can better call Duval than. :D

[Mirek]

The difference is that while Duval already proved himself unteachable crasher, Novikov is still very Young and potentially very good "material" for the future.

[Bobcat]

FIA World Rally Championship driver François Duval (Ford Focus ST) won Division 1 during round 7 of the 2010 FIA European Rallycross Championship (August 7-8), at the wheel of the Pauwels Motorsport Ford Focus ST at Maasmechelen, Belgium. After Marcus Grönholm two years ago at Höljes, Sweden, Duval is another FIA World Rally Championship driver who adds his name to the list of winners of FIA European Rallycross Championship events. Russian Timur Timerzyanov (Renault Clio Mk2) won Division 1A at Maasmechelen while Irishman Derek Tohill (Ford Fiesta Mk7 RWD) was the best in Division 2.http://www.rallycross.com/

[Sulland]

http://www.crash.net/world+rally/news/162359/1/sordo_reveals_new_co-driver.html

[ProRally]

]The difference is that while Duval already proved himself unteachable crasher, Novikov is still very Young and potentially very good "material" for the future.

But does he wants to learn and/or change ?

[Mirek]

I think that it's up to his surroundings to work with him. He's still 20 years old and almost every future star was crashing like hell in that age.

[Maui J.]

]I think that it's up to his surroundings to work with him. He's still 20 years old and almost every future star was crashing like hell in that age.

I totally agree. I think Novikov has the raw speed and with the right mentoring, possibly from an experienced co-driver beside him, he will be a star of the future.
That's if we haven't seen the last of him. Isn't there a bit of a cash crisis regarding the family business, that's why he's not on the scene at the moment.

[rsmith16]

I totally agree. I think Novikov has the raw speed and with the right mentoring, possibly from an experienced co-driver beside him, he will be a star of the future.
That's if we haven't seen the last of him. Isn't there a bit of a cash crisis regarding the family business, that's why he's not on the scene at the moment.

Can't remember who said this quote but the gist of it was that it's easier to slow someone who drives at 110% down to 100% that speed up someone who drives at 90% to 100%...

[ProRally]

]I think that it's up to his surroundings to work with him. He's still 20 years old and almost every future star was crashing like hell in that age.

Agreed, but will his 'entourage' accept the co-operation/instructions ? Time will tell, first he still will need to bring a budget to get a drive. Like all the other 'talents' who are out there...

[Barreis]

For invested money he could by the car as P.Solberg and run it by himself..

[grugsticles]

Can't remember who said this quote but the gist of it was that it's easier to slow someone who drives at 110% down to 100% that speed up someone who drives at 90% to 100%...
I think that was DR about Colin.

[GigiGalliNo1]

No Rally Indonesia in WRC for now... not even candidate round....

http://www.rallybuzz.com/no-wrc-rally-indonesia/

[Micke_VOC]

From http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmotorsportivarmland.nu%2FrallySM10. htm%23100813sm&sl=auto&tl=en

Pg speaks about the future in a article.

contract proposal from mini and ford ??

[Bobcat]

Well Micke, and "a small car" it's just some S2000, huh? :D

[Xsara Fan]

From http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmotorsportivarmland.nu%2FrallySM10. htm%23100813sm&sl=auto&tl=en

Pg speaks about the future in a article.

contract proposal from mini and ford ??

Prodrive people said that PG is one of the top candidates in Mini.

[COD]

Prodrive people said that PG is one of the top candidates in Mini.

He's a good driver, but there are faster young guns coming that would be better options long term

[Barreis]

http://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/21139164180
http://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/21138980447

[Xsara Fan]

He's a good driver, but there are faster young guns coming that would be better options long term

AFAIK the other guy is Mikkelsen. So it will be 'young' & 'younger' ;)

[noel157]

AFAIK the other guy is Mikkelsen. So it will be 'young' & 'younger' ;)


We shall see. Time will tell.

[Mirek]

Chief of VW Motorsport Kris Nissen spoke about the future. He said that VW was very pleased with Mini entry and that it recently looked very possible for VW to enter WRC for 2013 season.

He also said that he wanted to assure fans of Skoda that VAG would certainly find a solution for both brands to continue rallying in the same time but not as direct competition...

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/top/topnews/d16/d/2010/08/17/nissen-2013-waere-realistisch/index.html

[Sulland]

For those that are that sharp in German: http://translate.google.no/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallye-magazin.de%2Ftop%2Ftopnews%2Fd16%2Fd%2F2010%2F08%2 F17%2Fnissen-2013-waere-realistisch%2Findex.html&sl=de&tl=en

[6789]

iRally is reporting that Ken Block is confirmed for a full WRC season next year. Hopefully he brings another driver in his team, ala Atko

[sal]

iRally is reporting that Ken Block is confirmed for a full WRC season next year. Hopefully he brings another driver in his team, ala Atko

M Sport will be getting the shells ready as we speak.

[6789]

M Sport will be getting the shells ready as we speak.

The Ford media dude in Finland said 40 S2000 cars out there and 10 1.6T WRC cars by the end of the year..

But that could be over exaggerating since he said that 6 days test for Henning and Matt in the 1.6T in France was a 'two week test'.

[Mirek]

Numbers of S2000 are real for sure. Mads Ostberg is driving car No.36 which should be the latest one built.

[L5->R5/CR]

iRally is reporting that Ken Block is confirmed for a full WRC season next year. Hopefully he brings another driver in his team, ala Atko

That was the stated plan from the original announcement in November of 2009 (both Atko and full season next year)...

[janvanvurpa]

iRally is reporting that Ken Block is confirmed for a full WRC season next year. Hopefully he brings another driver in his team, ala Atko

A natural progression after his near total dominance during this WRC season of , of...............
er, of...... uh.
wait gimme a second, I'll think of something...dominance of uh,


You Tube!!!!

ti hi--

[Bobcat]

Prodrive people said that PG is one of the top candidates in Mini.
Andersson targets return to works seat... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86007

[Barreis]

That's bad..

[Bobcat]

But that could be over exaggerating since he said that 6 days test for Henning and Matt in the 1.6T in France was a 'two week test'.
You're wrong, Wilson (Ford) was right... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/fords_fiesta_wrc_set_for_six-day_french_test/

[Mirek]

You're wrong, Wilson (Ford) was right... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/fords_fiesta_wrc_set_for_six-day_french_test/

Since it was quotation, You should reconsider who actually was wrong ;)


The Ford media dude in Finland said...

[6789]

You're wrong, Wilson (Ford) was right... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/fords_fiesta_wrc_set_for_six-day_french_test/

No..

The Ford guy told us they were testing for 14 days (2 weeks) not the 6 days which was reported when we got home. Anyway it's something minor.

40 S2000's is heaps, make a good entry list just by themselves

[Bobcat]

No..

The Ford guy told us they were testing for 14 days (2 weeks) not the 6 days which was reported when we got home. Anyway it's something minor.
No, an eight-day test in England and the six-day test in France... two weeks.

[6789]

No, an eight-day test in England and the six-day test in France... two weeks.
Sorry, I had never heard the 8 day test in the UK.

Either way, with Matt and Henning testing the parts will well truly cover all of the road!

[Camelopard]

That's bad..

What's bad?

[Barreis]

I don't like PG Andersson..

[Barreis]

Good for sport..
http://www.topgear.com/wrc/

[Motorsportfun]

Good for sport..
http://www.topgear.com/wrc/

Just a sponsored website...

[Barreis]

They're very popular..

[Rallyper]

I don't like PG Andersson..

Please develop your thoughts.... :rolleyes:

The one not liking PG really has to have very good reasons.

[Barreis]

Let's say: I like Sandell more..

[alleskids]

lets start a World Likening Rallydrivers Championship.
And now back to the news and rumours

[Rallyper]

lets start a World Likening Rallydrivers Championship.
And now back to the news and rumours
:p

[Tomi]

Let's say: I like Sandell more..

He is propably straigt too, so you have to look someone else to marry.

[Barreis]

Not in that way! Boys don't cry (Latvala Finn)!

[Camelopard]

Not in that way! Boys don't cry (Latvala Finn)!

What about quesnel then, I believe he shed a few tears at Le Mans, or doesn't that matter as he is a team manager.

From http://www.planetlemans.com/2010/06/13/24-hours-of-le-mans-2010-hours-22-24/

"The faces at the Peugeot pit box say it all, with even Peugeot Sport director Quesnel in tears. Audi on to a 1-2-3 finish or was the Oreca Peugeot able to do something?"

If it had been malcolm all you ford haters out there would have been beside yourselves with glee! :)

[Barreis]

I don't hate anybody.. Just don't like too much patriotism..

[pettersolberg29]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86095

Now that would be very interesting.

[Red bull]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86095

Now that would be very interesting.
just another way of arm twisting citroen to improve his contract as ogier did :s mokin:

[Josti]

Maybe the better option for both Sordo and Ford.

[Tomi]

Only Sordo they might let go easily, different situation with Ogier.

[Barreis]

just another way of arm twisting citroen to improve his contract as ogier did :s mokin:

I guess so.. Maybe they want money now for full season..

[logic]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86095

Now that would be very interesting.

if he goes to ford he would not be a massa or irvine or barrachello

[ProRally]

if he goes to ford he would not be a massa or irvine or barrachello

There is Novikov who wants to join Citroën Juniors, and in Germany a other good driver with plenty of budget told me he is also in talks with them....

[Barreis]

Excusses..
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86094

[tmx]

just another way of arm twisting citroen to improve his contract as ogier did :s mokin: Sordo had to incentive to switch codriver, I hope he has a real incentive to switch car too. I always felt Sordo should be a Ford-man than Citroen. Okay, he might not become the lead driver at Ford, but at least Wilson might allow him to win a tarmac rally, unlike at Citroen. However, I do expect Quesnel to allow Sordo to take Spain win this time to appease him.

[Barreis]

LATVALA IN CROATIA!!!
Photos here..
http://desno4.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=69&start=75

[Sarac330d]

Sordo had to incentive to switch codriver, I hope he has a real incentive to switch car too. I always felt Sordo should be a Ford-man than Citroen. Okay, he might not become the lead driver at Ford, but at least Wilson might allow him to win a tarmac rally, unlike at Citroen. However, I do expect Quesnel to allow Sordo to take Spain win this time to appease him.

Sordo can`t win tarmac rally in Ford becouse there are 2 Sebastiens in Citroen which much faster car now and it will be next year 99% for sure.

[Tomi]

Sordo can`t win tarmac rally in Ford becouse there are 2 Sebastiens in Citroen which much faster car now and it will be next year 99% for sure.

maybe so, but one could get an idea about how much it is up to the car and how much to the driver, after all Sordo is not far behind Loeb on tarmac.

[Bobcat]

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/sordo_offered_citroen_junior_team_drive/

[shurik]

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/sordo_offered_citroen_junior_team_drive/
This was inevitable

[I am evil Homer]

I really doubt Citroen will lose too many nights worrying if Sordo signs

[Tomi]

I really doubt Citroen will lose too many nights worrying if Sordo signs

Same here, but I dont think he will get a works seat at Ford, he should have left earlier, he has dont a not so good season this year.

[N.O.T]

I really doubt Citroen will lose too many nights worrying if Sordo signs

hmmm i wouldn't say that....those guaranteed points on tarmac events are surely a boost for every manufacturer going for the title... And when Loeb retires eventually in 2-3 years then who will bring those guaranteed points ?

On Gravel all the first class drivers are almost equal....but on tarmac Sordo is a guarantee you cannot afford to miss. gravel drivers are easy to find but on tarmac is harder to find soeone that can make the difference.

Both teams i think need sordo to be official only on tarmac so it comes to the fact who offers best conditions.

Plus the spanish market is vital for every manufacturer....

[Camelopard]

Same here, but I dont think he will get a works seat at Ford, he should have left earlier, he has dont a not so good season this year.


But you forget that due to team orders Sordo has never been allowed to perform at his best, he really should seriously consider swapping teams as he must know that he will never be allowed to win under the citroen banner, regardless of which citroen team he is in.

Seb junior is different, after all he is french.

[N.O.T]

But you forget that due to team orders Sordo has never been allowed to perform at his best, he really should seriously consider swapping teams as he must know that he will never be allowed to win under the citroen banner, regardless of which citroen team he is in.

Seb junior is different, after all he is french.


same goes in every team he will go...latvala also did not allowed to win against hirvonen. Sordo is good for second fidle and first on tarmac..now in ford he could gain 1st spot since both hirvonen and latvala are very easy targets to be faster (latvala is fast but not mentaly there yet)...he was unlucky and was in team that had the best driver ever in the sport as No1...everyone would have the same treatment in any team.

[Bobcat]

same goes in every team he will go...latvala also did not allowed to win against hirvonen. This is nonsense. Stop saying it!

[N.O.T]

This is nonsense. Stop saying it!

yes indeed nonsense...latvala was on a leash NOT ALLOWED to win for the most rallies, and when hirvonen lost every chance for a title Latvala suddenly became faster...how you explain that ??

2nd drivers are called 2nd for reason

[I am evil Homer]

Plus the spanish market is vital for every manufacturer....

Really? How so? It's an economic mess and they already buy Ford and Citroen a lot so that makes no sense.

[N.O.T]

Really? How so? It's an economic mess and they already buy Ford and Citroen a lot so that makes no sense.

Economic mess or not they are a market of 45 million people....and the fact that they buy fords and citroens a lot makes it even bigger attraction.

[Motorsportfun]

Economic mess or not they are a market of 45 million people....and the fact that they buy fords and citroens a lot makes it even bigger attraction.

Spain can't offer new and big sponsors to the WRC, for the moment. You know, sponsors like TELEFONICA or REPSOL are not investing in rallying anymore at a world level...

[Motorsportfun]

Can anyone confirm that MINI will begin testing in Spain (near Huelva, Andalucia) at the end of September or early in October?

[alterdaxter]

Can anyone confirm that MINI will begin testing in Spain (near Huelva, Andalucia) at the end of September or early in October?

I know they will test in spain in september. I don't know exact date, nor location.

[pino makinen]

Spain can't offer new and big sponsors to the WRC, for the moment. You know, sponsors like TELEFONICA or REPSOL are not investing in rallying anymore at a world level...

It’s been said that Botín, Banco Santander’s president, got personally interested in Dani’s future. That’s a new and very big Spanish sponsor.

I am evil Homer, Spain is a big market for Citröen and Dani helps to sell cars as well as Carlos Sainz did. Though they might be the actual top seller here, they might not want to lose, for example, 5000 cars/year, which is a big amount of money.

[I am evil Homer]

Santander doesn't have the money to be throiwng around given it's massive exposure to the property market (quite aside from ploughing so much cash to Alonso and Ferrari).

I doubt Sordo would sell enough cars to justify Citroen giving him more money if Ford came up with a decent offer. I don't doubt he sells cars but he's no Sainz in terms of marketability.

[Tomi]

It’s been said that Botín, Banco Santander’s president, got personally interested in Dani’s future. That’s a new and very big Spanish sponsor.

I am evil Homer, Spain is a big market for Citröen and Dani helps to sell cars as well as Carlos Sainz did. Though they might be the actual top seller here, they might not want to lose, for example, 5000 cars/year, which is a big amount of money.

It would be good if true, next year when they only have to pay 1 F1 drivers salary, they should have easily the cash to sponsor 1 rallydriver.

[eloyf1]

Banco Santander wouldn't be a "new" sponsor, they've been supporting Dani since 2006. In this case they would just give the last push... but rumours are rumours.

[N.O.T]

daddy pays for little son to get some exposure....

http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-confident-for-2011/?fid=13556

don't worry little slowboy if sobart cannot help daddy will take care of everything wasting some more money from the development to keep the kid happy.

[Mise]

http://wrc.com/news/volkswagen-more%A0than%A0interested-in-wrc-entry/?fid=13558

[fastboy]

Can anyone confirm that MINI will begin testing in Spain (near Huelva, Andalucia) at the end of September or early in October?

The mini should have had its first test in the sweet lamb complex in wales this week but the engine is not yet in the car ,so hopefully it will be ready to go in Spain next month.

[jonas_mcrae]

http://wrc.com/news/volkswagen-more%A0than%A0interested-in-wrc-entry/?fid=13558

sounds good! take a Fabia S2000 develop it into a WRC 1600, put the shell of a Sciroco on, and Voila! Shouldnt be that expensive

[N.O.T]

sounds good! take a Fabia S2000 develop it into a WRC 1600, put the shell of a Sciroco on, and Voila! Shouldnt be that expensive

and get excluded by the FIA for homologation issues....

[rv65]

VW might share the same engine as Skoda, but thats about it. I'm not sure if VW can be a successful WRC team, but maybe I've drank some anti VW koolaid. The Polo S1600 wasn't all that successful and same with the Golf IV kit car.

Toyota would likely be better than VW, as they do rally properly, so would Renault.

[Josti]

I'm not sure if VW can be a successful WRC team, but maybe I've drank some anti VW koolaid. The Polo S1600 wasn't all that successful and same with the Golf IV kit car.

Recources, organized, successful (Dakar), ambitious. I'd say they're perfect for (future) WRC. Those Polo and Golf efforts were never fully works supported and were actually decent cars in there respective classes.



Toyota would likely be better than VW, as they do rally properly, so would Renault.

If VW joins, likely there's more chance that Toyota will too, or vice versa.

[Woodeye]

It would be great news if VW would join WRC. But have to remember that nothing will happen short term, the guy from VW said that 2013 or 2014 is the possible timetable. And if they join just have to hope it's 100 % VW supported team, not some independent mediocre hobby team.

[bt52b]

MN reported that the new WRC 2011 rules are due to be sent out this week and confirmed that they are due to be ratified next month, probably Sept 8th at the WMSC.

[rv65]

Recources, organized, successful (Dakar), ambitious. I'd say they're perfect for (future) WRC. Those Polo and Golf efforts were never fully works supported and were actually decent cars in there respective classes.



If VW joins, likely there's more chance that Toyota will too, or vice versa.

If Suzuki comes back, then they will suck at the WRC, and this will never change. The Suzuki S1600 wasn't that good IMO, and this is with works involvement. I would love to see Renault ditch F1, and go rallying. I think Renault is the manufacturer that could beat Citroen. Renault is the company that always does rally properly, when they do it.

[RS]

sounds good! take a Fabia S2000 develop it into a WRC 1600, put the shell of a Sciroco on, and Voila! Shouldnt be that expensive

Hehe, as NOT says this would not be allowed as the Scirocco and Fabia do not share the same chassis.

It would seem a bit of a shame to not develop the Fabia into a 1.6T car though as it still seems to be the best overall S2000 car at the moment.

[J.Lindstroem]

If Suzuki comes back, then they will suck at the WRC, and this will never change. The Suzuki S1600 wasn't that good IMO, and this is with works involvement.

I dont agree about that. The Ignis back in 2003 was awsome, better than any other S1600 car! You need better argu8ments for saying that Suzuki will suck.

[N.O.T]

Hehe, as NOT says this would not be allowed as the Scirocco and Fabia do not share the same chassis.

It would seem a bit of a shame to not develop the Fabia into a 1.6T car though as it still seems to be the best overall S2000 car at the moment.

hmmm i think the reason its the best is because is the only car having full factory support and also a solid development plan...i think once the big boys are involved PSA and MS-Sport and probably Toyota the fabia will start to trail...to be honest though i wouldn't like to see that since i like the skoda team a lot.

[General Prim]

see that..

[N.O.T]

the picture is too blurry....

[Josti]

If Suzuki comes back, then they will suck at the WRC, and this will never change. The Suzuki S1600 wasn't that good IMO, and this is with works involvement. I would love to see Renault ditch F1, and go rallying. I think Renault is the manufacturer that could beat Citroen. Renault is the company that always does rally properly, when they do it.

And what has Suzuki to do with VW? I don't get your argument.

Renault produced good rallycars, but with the exception of the Alpine effort, they've never fully commited to the sport. I think they'll stick to F1 for now.

[J.Lindstroem]

And what has Suzuki to do with VW? I don't get your argument.

Renault produced good rallycars, but with the exception of the Alpine effort, they've never fully commited to the sport. I think they'll stick to F1 for now.

Yeah and why would they leave F1 when it seems to go fairly well there.

[General Prim]

now?
They are Olivier Quesnel and Sven Smeets leaving VW Motorsport truck in Trier SP

[bowler]

And what has Suzuki to do with VW?

VW is cooperating with Suzuki in some models

[J.Lindstroem]

now?
They are Olivier Quesnel and Sven Smeets leaving VW Motorsport truck in Trier SP

I wouldn't read to much into that unfortunatly. I suppose people are talking with different teams all the time during rallys so that doesn't have to mean anything for VW and their future Wrc program.

[bowler]

If VW joins, likely there's more chance that Toyota will too, or vice versa.

agree, and both are looking at each other, and waiting

[grugsticles]

One thing that I just dont understand is why there is now manufacturer interest in the WRC.

Sure, the regs are changing and costs are 'predicted' to be lower, but in the real world any manufacturer wanting to enter any form of motor sport is going to require a huge investment to make it worth while (in terms of competitive results).
Companys such as VW and Toyota, who have good reputations in their previous motor sport endeavors, surely cant afford to go half heartedly into a new market like the WRC. So, IMO, the financial cost differences between before and after the new regs wouldn't being as great as what everyone seems to make out.
Anyone else agree?

So, if thats the case, where has the interest in the WRC really come from?

[N.O.T]

new regulations so all teams start on almost equal basis...

with the experience ford and citroen have in the current WRC cars creating a car from scratch would require huge budget to even be close to these 2.

Plus the WRC is the 2nd best known motorsport after F1 but the cost to run a team is "free" compared to F1.

[noel157]

News from VW later this year or January:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86288

Nissen talks about it:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86289

[6789]

Michelin bids for WRC return

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86298

[Barreis]

Again uncontrolable costs 'cos next year's mini S2000 starts with 346 000 GBP+VAT (mini WRC costs more).. NZ Morrie Chandler should go home.

[Sulland]

MN reported that the new WRC 2011 rules are due to be sent out this week and confirmed that they are due to be ratified next month, probably Sept 8th at the WMSC.

FIA is quick this time, final regs out 4 months before 1 jan 2011 ! :eek:

[ProRally]

FIA is quick this time, final regs out 4 months before 1 jan 2011 ! :eek:

Looks like the new boss has of FIA has more of a hart for Rally ... :D :D

Also these set of regs are a BIG change from the previous ones.

Hopefully good times are coming back. :bounce:

[Mise]

From Veikkaaja (finnish betting magasine):
VW:
If they decide to join wrc they will do it with Polo
on 2013

Toyota:
a motorsportdivision will recommend to the board that Toyota should return to rallying. It will be decided
on October. If they join they'd rather use Yaris than Auris.

Mini:
Mats Ostberg is certain that he will drive the new Mini WRC.

[HaCo]

According to Motorsportaktuell, Toyota could go to WTCC as well.
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/tourenwagen-wm-seat-rueckkehr-nur-wunschdenken-toyota-ein-kandidat-2744613.html
It could share the same type of motor with rallying.

Nissan wants to return to DTM, but they want, just like BMW, universal rules so they can use the car in other championships too.

[I am evil Homer]

From Veikkaaja (finnish betting magasine):
VW:
If they decide to join wrc they will do it with Polo
on 2013

Toyota:
a motorsportdivision will recommend to the board that Toyota should return to rallying. It will be decided
on October. If they join they'd rather use Yaris than Auris.

Mini:
Mats Ostberg is certain that he will drive the new Mini WRC.

Someone might want to tell Mads they've signed Meeke then for 2011. I'd say his chances look slimmer if Bosse decides to help out next season or as many expect PG gets the second seat.

Yaris is surely too small for regulations?

[RS]

Again uncontrolable costs 'cos next year's mini S2000 starts with 346 000 GBP+VAT (mini WRC costs more).. NZ Morrie Chandler should go home.

What's a Mini S2000? I thought that no new homologations of S2000 cars were allowed from 2011.

[RS]

Someone might want to tell Mads they've signed Meeke then for 2011. I'd say his chances look slimmer if Bosse decides to help out next season or as many expect PG gets the second seat.

Yaris is surely too small for regulations?

I think Mads was planning to be a customer driver?

I had similar thoughts about the Yaris.

[Barreis]

What's a Mini S2000? I thought that no new homologations of S2000 cars were allowed from 2011.

That's in info from Prodrive.. Both versions: S2000 and WRC mini + this time you can buy a car without guaranty and that's 346 000GBP+VAT..

[ProRally]

What's a Mini S2000? I thought that no new homologations of S2000 cars were allowed from 2011.

Yes, new S2000 are allowed in 2011 but with 1.6T engine, hence 2 versions of the Mini

[Barreis]

!!!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86310

[RS]

Yes, new S2000 are allowed in 2011 but with 1.6T engine, hence 2 versions of the Mini

Then what is the difference between an S2000 and a WRC?

[JFL]

Then what is the difference between an S2000 and a WRC?

engine(ccm and turbo.. also some bodywork... bigger spoilers and wings in wrc..
wrc =1600Turbo
s2000=2000ccm naturally aspirated.. .same as today..

[Mirek]

No, all S2000 cars homologated after 1st January 2011 must have also 1.6T engine. Both S2000 and WRC variant of Mini will have same (or almost same) turbo engine.

[rv65]

According to Motorsportaktuell, Toyota could go to WTCC as well.
http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/tourenwagen-wm-seat-rueckkehr-nur-wunschdenken-toyota-ein-kandidat-2744613.html
It could share the same type of motor with rallying.

Nissan wants to return to DTM, but they want, just like BMW, universal rules so they can use the car in other championships too.

SuperGT is planning on using the DTM specs in 2015, so Nissan would pretty much have to make a DTM car anyways, if they want to compete in the SuperGT.

This won't be the current Yaris, as Toyota will release a new one next year. I don't know why you guys are fixated on the current one, as I've posted a link to a test mule that looks a little bit bigger than the current model. This fits inline with Toyota's schedule.

[RS]

]No, all S2000 cars homologated after 1st January 2011 must have also 1.6T engine. Both S2000 and WRC variant of Mini will have same (or almost same) turbo engine.

So I repeat my question, what is the difference between a 2011 S2000 and a WRC?

[MartijnS]

They have a 2 liter turbo now instead of a 1.6 turbo next year?
Something with electronics also?? Not sure though ;)

[I am evil Homer]

It should, in theory be possible to swap a S2000 Fiesta to run under next years WRC rules (1.6T) and I think M-Sport said they'd offer that but it wasn't quite as straightforward as swapping the engines out.

[mm1]

That`s if you want to swap s2k to WRC, but if you want to stay 1.6T, then it should be no problem.

[RS]

That`s if you want to swap s2k to WRC, but if you want to stay 1.6T, then it should be no problem.

But a WRC is 1.6T too!

FIA regulations clear as mud as usual.

[noel157]

Mini/Prodrive are listing a Mini Super Production car along with the WRC car, any idea what that is?

[Mirek]

Like Shakespeare said: That's the question!

Frankly I don't get the difference between Super Production (S2000 with 1.6T engine) and WRC. Obviously there are differences in aerodynamics but what else?

[HaCo]

Very bizar news, only on Belgian websites (I wonder IF it is correct?): Renault build an N4 turbocharged Renault Megane:
http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=12655&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+AutonewsMagazine+(Autonews+Maga zine)&utm_content=Google+International
4WD? 2lT? ... ?

[Mirek]

There is no 4WD Megáne in stock production. If it's true, it's 2WD car based on Mégane RS.

[Allar]

http://www.rallybuzz.com/mads-ostberg-rally-saaremaa/

[RICARDO75]

Very bizar news, only on Belgian websites (I wonder IF it is correct?): Renault build an N4 turbocharged Renault Megane:
http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=12655&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+AutonewsMagazine+(Autonews+Maga zine)&utm_content=Google+International
4WD? 2lT? ... ?

N4 classe doesn't need to be 4WD. Just needs to have an engine with more than 2000cc capacity (turbo engine in that case)

[Sulland]

Mini/Prodrive are listing a Mini Super Production car along with the WRC car, any idea what that is?

Could be R4 or R3T.

[Mirek]

No, it should be just S2000 car with 1.6T engine. Let's call it downgraded WRC.

[OldF]

Again uncontrolable costs 'cos next year's mini S2000 starts with 346 000 GBP+VAT (mini WRC costs more).. NZ Morrie Chandler should go home.

Did you ask for a bid or where did you get the price? I couldn’t find any information about the Mini on Prodrive’s web site.

[Barreis]

Send them e-mail for an offer..

[HaCo]

]There is no 4WD Megáne in stock production. If it's true, it's 2WD car based on Mégane RS.

Could a 2WD car be made (a lot) lighter than a 4WD gr N? Could be good performance on dry asphalt (like in the Kit Car days!)

[noel157]

Did you ask for a bid or where did you get the price? I couldn’t find any information about the Mini on Prodrive’s web site.

You could make a bank transfer for £350K GBP + taxes or click here :)

http://www.motoringfile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Mini-rally-car-sales-package.pdf

[ProRally]

Very bizar news, only on Belgian websites (I wonder IF it is correct?): Renault build an N4 turbocharged Renault Megane:
http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blog/?p=12655&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+AutonewsMagazine+(Autonews+Maga zine)&utm_content=Google+International
4WD? 2lT? ... ?

Yes, this is correct, Renault Sport is thinking of making a N4 car Megane but it will be 2wd.....

Lets hope they change it to R4 when the WMSC takes the decision on 8 Sept :D

[bt52b]

2011 rules should be announced at the WMSC Extraordinary Meeting, Friday Sept 10th.

[bt52b]

2011 rules should be announced at the WMSC Extraordinary Meeting, Friday Sept 10th.

Might be announced today?

[alleskids]

Motors TV reports Dani Sordo has signed for 2011 with the junior Citroen Team.
Also Ken Block will do a full season in 2011 (with Monster Ford)

[Barreis]

Good for them..

[Motorsportfun]

Motors TV reports Dani Sordo has signed for 2011 with the junior Citroen Team.
Also Ken Block will do a full season in 2011 (with Monster Ford)

I known that Monster was interested to make a full-season two-car team in 2011, but I guess there's no enough budget. Pity. :(

Anyway, it's always interesting to have a full-time squad on the field!

[6789]

I known that Monster was interested to make a full-season two-car team in 2011, but I guess there's no enough budget. Pity. :(

Anyway, it's always interesting to have a full-time squad on the field!

Hopefully they can announce someone for that second seat in the Monster World Rally Team

[noel157]

I expect Petter to be DS3T-ing next year? If Citroen Norway get their way.

[MJW]

I expect Petter to be DS3T-ing next year? If Citroen Norway get their way.
so you have read the Autosport article as well.
Citroen sales up 67% in Norway since PS been a Citroen driver, and Citroen Norway chief very keen.

[noel157]

so you have read the Autosport article as well.
Citroen sales up 67% in Norway since PS been a Citroen driver, and Citroen Norway chief very keen.

Was it in the magazine? I don't get it so I guess I saw it somewhere online.
Let's just hope he get's the car.

[Mirek]

so you have read the Autosport article as well.
Citroen sales up 67% in Norway since PS been a Citroen driver, and Citroen Norway chief very keen.

It may have more to do with general economical revival after the crisis than with PSWRT but anyway good for Petter.

[skarderud]

]It may have more to do with general economical revival after the crisis than with PSWRT but anyway good for Petter.


i dont know about that, we in norway hasen't got the economic crisis so hard as rest of europe. petter is nr 1 in marketing of cars in norway. no'one is even close. when he won in 2004, subaru sold over 40% more cars in norway as in 2003, and that year was much better than 2002. so i belive it is petters "fault" that citroen in norway sell more cars. so every brand that want to sell cars in norway want a petter to be theire face here.

[bennizw]

When Petter won in 2003 you mean? ;)

[bt52b]

Was it in the magazine? I don't get it so I guess I saw it somewhere online.
Let's just hope he get's the car.

p33

Citroen Norway's Oystein Johansen "...we are 100 percent committed for next year."

[Motorsportfun]

p33

Citroen Norway's Oystein Johansen "...we are 100 percent committed for next year."

I'm sure that Mad Croc too will be involved. Solberg made Mad Croc a dream come true: sell the cans to IKEA! They didn't reach the goal in 10 years, Solberg did in a couple of months!!! :D

[noel157]

p33

Citroen Norway's Oystein Johansen "...we are 100 percent committed for next year."

Thanks, good to see that Petter has the right people behind him.

[gravelman]

I'm wondering with the cars starting from a clean sheet of paper, would a "customer" such as Petter be subject to the same ECU mapping issues in the DS3 as the C4, i.e. equal cars but equal to a certain point

[JFL]

difficult to say... the thing for 2011 is that all the cars is the same evolution.. same spec.. If Citröen and Ford decides to give the factory boys some extra electronic boost.. no one can stop them.. really..
then they have to make ECU's to all the cars.. Give them to FiA, and then Fia gives em sealed to the cars...

[ProRally]

At first most new cars will be equal, but then the development will go first to the 'works' drivers.
M-Sport talks of having up to 10 Fiesta WRC ready, Citroën 4 DS3 but there is demand for more , so lets see what happens

[alleskids]

Citroen will only have 4 DS3 WRCars, so Petter has to wait a long time. His other option is Ford.
1 Loeb 2 Ogier - Total team
3 Sordo 4 Raikkonen - Red Bull team

Who will have the first ten Fiesta WRcars?
1 Hirvonen 2 Latvalla - BP team
3 Wilson jr - Stobart Ford
4 Al Qassimi - Abu Dhabi team (or has the sponsor deal expired?)
5 Villagra - Munchi's ford
6 Block - Monster Ford
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

Prodrive wil only do a limited number of rallies to devellop the car, but still sell it to a number of privateers, one of them being Adapt (either for Ostberg or a custumer)?

[JFL]

Henning...

[Mirek]

Citroen will only have 4 DS3 WRCars

I wouldn't be so sure.

[dimviii]

]I wouldn't be so sure.

i am 101% sure that they are going to be much more than 4 cars.

[N.O.T]

claiming that citroen will start the season with 4 cars is stupid...are you guys living in La La land ??? 4 cars is nothing for an official manufacturer team...even if their intention is to run 2 cars in the season there is absolutely no chance they are going to have just 2 cars to spare...

I don't know what is worse spreading such imbecile things around or believing them...so if solberg or any other guy comes with some millions and wants a car citroen will actually say...its ok keep those millions we are rich enough and we are running 4 cars this year.....come back to reality and use your head !!!!!

[noel157]

I believe there will be 6, possibly 7, chassis ready for Sweden.

As for factory cars being the same spec as customer cars? No way, there'll be a difference from the very start.

[dimviii]

I believe there will be 6, possibly 7, chassis ready for Sweden.

As for factory cars being the same spec as customer cars? No way, there'll be a difference from the very start.

+1

[alleskids]

Citroen had many years a no custumer pollicy, were M-Sport was living from sellling rally cars. So keeping the DS3 WRCars for them self is not so stupid to believe. Citroen is only in WRC to promote their own team, not for selling rallycars. It was for years a 1-driver team: Total Loeb World Rally Team, now it is a Total Sebastien World Rally Team. For sure Citroen can build 7 cars before the 2011 WRc season, the question is, will they be willing to sell/rent one or more to a tough competitor?

[bluuford]

Citroen junior team has been fined 6000 EUR for breaking, for a second time, the testing regulations laid down in WRC. The number of testing sessions was exceeded.

[Mirek]

That's ridiculous penalty. If there is some rule breaking, the penalty should be at least a bit painful, this is just a joke.

[Rallyper]

If factory cars would be different from the start related to customers cars, you could read it in the classification papers (FIA)? Or couldn´t you?

[bluuford]

]That's ridiculous penalty. If there is some rule breaking, the penalty should be at least a bit painful, this is just a joke.

Yeah, they were counting the test days not the number of sessions. They tried to apologize that kimi had back pain and he had to miss one test session and they didn't count it. But rules are rules and they have to count both, sessions and days (they thought that they still had that day when kimi had his back pain, but they were run out of their allowed number of test sessions, so basically they lost one day).

[Xsara Fan]

Citroen will only have 4 DS3 WRCars, so Petter has to wait a long time. His other option is Ford.
1 Loeb 2 Ogier - Total team
3 Sordo 4 Raikkonen - Red Bull team

Who will have the first ten Fiesta WRcars?
1 Hirvonen 2 Latvalla - BP team
3 Wilson jr - Stobart Ford
4 Al Qassimi - Abu Dhabi team (or has the sponsor deal expired?)
5 Villagra - Munchi's ford
6 Block - Monster Ford
7 ?
8 ?
9 ?
10 ?

Prodrive wil only do a limited number of rallies to devellop the car, but still sell it to a number of privateers, one of them being Adapt (either for Ostberg or a custumer)?

Novikov is in talks with Citroen & Ford about place in Citroen Junior Team or Stobart Ford. That`s why I think your table is wrong :)

[Tomi]

Ketomaa also is supposed to drive on the highest level next year, if things goes as planned, sofar they have.

[A.F.F.]

Ketomaa also is supposed to drive on the highest level next year, if things goes as planned, sofar they have.

Yep, the easy part is to win rallys ;)

[Tomi]

Yep, the easy part is to win rallys ;)

Lol, it looks like that yes, now it's just to find sponsor money :)

[alleskids]

Novikov is in talks with Citroen & Ford about place in Citroen Junior Team or Stobart Ford. That`s why I think your table is wrong :)

Citroen is keen to keep Raikkonen (and Red Bull) for next year, so the Junior team looks full booked with Sordo already transfered to the second team. Citroen has to hurry up with building more then the 4 cars for their own teams, otherwise all drivers with budget will go to Ford

[ProRally]

Citroen is keen to keep Raikkonen (and Red Bull) for next year, so the Junior team looks full booked with Sordo already transfered to the second team. Citroen has to hurry up with building more then the 4 cars for their own teams, otherwise all drivers with budget will go to Ford

That is what I meant earlier, the 'plan' was 4 DS3 cars but now the demand for more is there, and who in this current climate turns down business ? :D

[alleskids]

Kimi Raikkonen is making a fresh bid to return to Formula 1 next year after approaching the Renault team for a drive in 2011, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Although it had looked likely that Raikkonen would remain in the World Rally Championship next year after his switch of discipline for this season, AUTOSPORT has learned that Raikkonen has renewed his interest in getting back to grand prix racing.

Sources have revealed that in the wake of Renault's impressive form at the Belgian Grand Prix, Raikkonen approached the French car manufacturer with the intent of putting a deal together.

It is not clear, however, whether Raikkonen spoke to Renault himself or if it was done through his management team.

Raikkonen has always insisted that he would only come back to F1 if he was in a competitive car - and that is something that Renault now appears to be able to offer him.

But despite Raikkonen's credentials, Renault is in no rush to advance talks with him - and it is still holding on for current driver Vitaly Petrov to prove he can deliver what the team is demanding of him.

Renault team principal Eric Boullier confirmed that Raikkonen had approached the team - and is in contention for a seat alongside Robert Kubica in 2011.

"It is true that the summer has passed and we have had more and more requests - and the guy you mentioned [Raikkonen] is on the radar now," Boullier told AUTOSPORT.

"He is on the radar because he contacted us."

Boullier has long said that the team will keep Petrov next year if the Russian can improve his consistency throughout a whole race weekend - and not make silly errors like his spin in qualifying in Spa and blocking Timo Glock in qualifying at Monza.

When asked what Petrov had to do to convince Renault that he is a better option than Raikkonen, Boullier said: "He is not very far away to be honest.

"It is still very complicated for him to have a complete weekend and be faultless, and that is where he needs to work and focus on, and develop clearly his commitment and dedication."

One of the attractions of Petrov is the commercial possibilities he opens up in Russia, and Boullier said Renault would have to change its approach if it decided to take the Raikkonen route.

"It would be a different strategy for the team," he said. "And that is not a question of personality or having a world championship title - it will cost me more if he is world champion than if he is not. It is not a question of this - it is a different strategy.

"You work differently if you have a rookie - and in supporting him - than if you have two experienced drivers. So it is different.

"We need to think about it. But the priority is Vitaly, and to see how he will develop. If we are convinced then we will keep him definitely. This is the first option.

But there are several other options, and one of them is Kimi."

Boullier said he expected a decision on Renault's 2011 driver line-up to be made before the end of the season.

[Sulland]

Contact btw Renault and Raikkonens side has been there for some time, but I would prefer to keep him in Rally, but he can come back in the GT class after a potential F1 Stunt ! Would suit him I think !

[Xsara Fan]

Citroen is keen to keep Raikkonen (and Red Bull) for next year, so the Junior team looks full booked with Sordo already transfered to the second team. Citroen has to hurry up with building more then the 4 cars for their own teams, otherwise all drivers with budget will go to Ford

It`s not my fantasy. I talk to Novikov 2 weeks ago. I work at his team.

[alleskids]

I did not say it was only youre fantasie Xsara Fan :) , I am happy if Novikov comes to back WRC. I only hope that Citroen will have a decent and honest policy to custumers, and we wil see more good drivers in a DS3 WRCar. It will be too good to hope for equal equipement and treatment for the privateers.

[alleskids]

Lol, it looks like that yes, now it's just to find sponsor money :)

will Ketomaa have the support of the FCACA team also next year, or was it a 1 year deal?

[Tomi]

will Ketomaa have the support of the FCACA team also next year, or was it a 1 year deal?

Thats the idea yes, first year in s2000, next in the new class, if nothing has changed.

[Motorsportfun]

Thats the idea yes, first year in s2000, next in the new class, if nothing has changed.

Really hope to see Ketomaa winning the SWRC title, so in China will be so excited to draw a cheque. :D

[Motorsportfun]

So far the situation it's like that

CITROEN TOTAL WRT
Loeb - Ogier

CITROEN JUNIOR-RED BULL
Sordo - Raikkonen

PSWRT
P.Solberg (MadCroc is glad for the "IKEA" issue, then Citroen Norway confirmed too) ?

BP FORD ABU DHABI WRT
Hirvonen(?) - Latvala

STOBART FORD
Wilson - Novikov(?)

MONSTER FORD
Block (all season long)

MINI PRODRIVE
Ostberg - ???

[Barreis]

If in doubt, flat out. Colin McRae - three years.

[Macd]

If in doubt, flat out. Colin McRae - three years.

:( :( :(

[aykutbilir]

If in doubt, flat out. Colin McRae - three years.

Rest in Peace Colin... :( :( :( :(

[Tomi]

Really hope to see Ketomaa winning the SWRC title, so in China will be so excited to draw a cheque. :D

I dont think the title is so important at this point, more important is to show that the driver can fight for the win in many rallies as possible, and to drive top times, that shows much more than a title, especially in a series where drivers can choose the events they drive.

[Roy]

So far the situation it's like that

...
BP FORD ABU DHABI WRT
Hirvonen(?) - Latvala

STOBART FORD
Wilson - Novikov(?)

MONSTER FORD
Block (all season long)



Other Fiesta's:
Dennis Kuipers
Khalid Al Qassimi
Henning Solberg

What about Prokop in a Fiesta WRC? That was the plan at the start of this season. http://www.rallybuzz.com/martin-prokop-ford-fiesta-wrc/

10th is test car

[MartijnS]

If in doubt, flat out. Colin McRae - three years.

:(

Just started reading his biography a few days ago!

[Xsara Fan]

I did not say it was only youre fantasie Xsara Fan :) , I am happy if Novikov comes to back WRC. I only hope that Citroen will have a decent and honest policy to custumers, and we wil see more good drivers in a DS3 WRCar. It will be too good to hope for equal equipement and treatment for the privateers.

Citroen wants too much money for DS3 ;)

[I am evil Homer]

So far the situation it's like that

CITROEN TOTAL WRT
Loeb - Ogier

CITROEN JUNIOR-RED BULL
Sordo - Raikkonen

PSWRT
P.Solberg (MadCroc is glad for the "IKEA" issue, then Citroen Norway confirmed too) ?

BP FORD ABU DHABI WRT
Hirvonen(?) - Latvala

STOBART FORD
Wilson - Novikov(?)

MONSTER FORD
Block (all season long)

MINI PRODRIVE
Ostberg - ???

Ostberg is not confirmed for Mini, only Meeke so far....could be Mads, might be PG, maybe even Bosse.

[alleskids]

Other Fiesta's:
Dennis Kuipers
Khalid Al Qassimi
Henning Solberg

What about Prokop in a Fiesta WRC? That was the plan at the start of this season. http://www.rallybuzz.com/martin-prokop-ford-fiesta-wrc/

10th is test car

Dennis Kuiper could better stick to the Fiesta S2000 and do the SWRC in 2011, get some experience (and succes) before joining the big league.
Munchi's Ford /Frederico Villagra want to buy at least 1 Fiesta WRC, and they seek budget for a second car.

BP FORD ABU DHABI WRT
Hirvonen - Latvala - Al Qassimi

STOBART FORD
Wilson - Novikov(?) - H Solberg

MUNCHI'S FORD
Villagra

MONSTER FORD
Block (all season long)

FCACA
Ketomaa

[alleskids]

Jari Ketomaa wil do the Rally of Lebanon (Middle East rally championship) (17-19 september). Maybe as a practise for the tarmac SWRC rounds

[bt52b]

Is WRC programmes on Dave changing? There was a passing mention on totalrally about big changes, including a presenter change? Anymore details?

[Motorsportfun]

From 2011, North One and FIA will offer a LIVE tv stage on each rally of the season.

I think it's a great news for the media exposure, we're going to the right direction. Also in Italy, although there is not an italian Manufacturer or driver, there are highlights (1h) in a free-to-air channel (RAI Sport 1) and sometimes few live-tv stages.

Great job, North One Sport!

[6789]

Is WRC programmes on Dave changing? There was a passing mention on totalrally about big changes, including a presenter change? Anymore details?

That was Nicky Grist and i thought he was talking about MotorsTV?? Dave is awesome, i have a link to the rally Japan one if anyone wants it

[PLuto]

From 2011, North One and FIA will offer a LIVE tv stage on each rally of the season.

I think it's a great news for the media exposure, we're going to the right direction. Also in Italy, although there is not an italian Manufacturer or driver, there are highlights (1h) in a free-to-air channel (RAI Sport 1) and sometimes few live-tv stages.

Great job, North One Sport!

Too late. Last week I was watching one document, where David Richards was promising live TV stage almost ten years ago...

[Motorsportfun]

Too late. Last week I was watching one document, where David Richards was promising live TV stage almost ten years ago...

Dave Richards was almost destroying rallying, with smaller and smaller routes, unique central service, etc.

[WRCfan]

North One has been destroying rallying with their smaller amount of camera angles in the daily highlights show...

They are miles behind an acceptable standard still...

[AndyRAC]

That was Nicky Grist and i thought he was talking about MotorsTV?? Dave is awesome, i have a link to the rally Japan one if anyone wants it

I think he meant WRC TV coverage in general. The Dave coverage is merely adequate. MotorsTV can only go with what they're given. ISC-NorthOne need to pull their finger out.

[Bobcat]

Dennis Kuiper could better stick to the Fiesta S2000 and do the SWRC in 2011, get some experience (and succes) before joining the big league.
Munchi's Ford /Frederico Villagra want to buy at least 1 Fiesta WRC, and they seek budget for a second car.

BP FORD ABU DHABI WRT
Hirvonen - Latvala - Al Qassimi

STOBART FORD
Wilson - Novikov(?) - H Solberg

MUNCHI'S FORD
Villagra

MONSTER FORD
Block (all season long)

FCACA
Ketomaa
MONSTER FORD
Block - Raikkonen(?) http://www.mibz.com/22590-raikkonen-received-offers-from-mini-and-monster-in-wrc.html

[I am evil Homer]

Kimi is sponsored by Red Bull so he won't be going to Monster unless they pay his contract.

[kakus]

Kimi is sponsored by Red Bull so he won't be going to Monster unless they pay his contract.

the contract with Redbull ended this year, so why not ...

[Barreis]

He must be crazy if he stays in WRC world..

[Rallyper]

He must be crazy if he stays in WRC world..

Why is that? Can you develop your thoughts?

[Barreis]

He'll never be champ in WRC but in F1 he has all chances to be the best..

[Rallyper]

He'll never be champ in WRC but in F1 he has all chances to be the best..
He might well be in 2012 or 2013 in WRC if hís development continous like it did this year.

[N.O.T]

http://www.tyj.fi/default.asp?site=2

[maxter]

He'll never be champ in WRC but in F1 he has all chances to be the best..
I'd say some people in this world are capable of enjoying one activity over another even if they're not as good at it.

[Barreis]

Look at this..
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86835
What does WRC promoter to make this sport more popular (At least live stage from next season PLUS they don't need new manufacturers)?!

[OldF]

Loeb leaving wrc after 2011.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2Farkistot%2Fralli%2F2010%2F09%2F118976 1

[J.Lindstroem]

Major news. I hope he will get awsome competition next year. Maybe that will make him stay... Anyway, all respect to his decision!

[N.O.T]

Loeb leaving wrc after 2011.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2Farkistot%2Fralli%2F2010%2F09%2F118976 1

Good decision !!! nothing left to achieve, nothing left to master, nothing left to spoil his legacy...

Its going to be an epic goobye by the best the sport ever offered.

[noel157]

The original article
http://www.parismatch.com/People-Match/Sport/Actu/Sebastien-Loeb-l-homme-tranquille-213131/

He says he will take the decision after 2011, I don't think there is a definite decision yet, more a case of thinking about it and how Ogier progresses.
Perhaps our Francais friends can help?

[N.O.T]

you cannot get into a mans head but definately when these interviews come to surface you can tell the end is near....if not 2012 definately 2013

[noel157]

you cannot get into a mans head but definately when these interviews come to surface you can tell the end is near....if not 2012 definately 2013

True but don't forget his book was released on Sept 16th so plenty of interviews to help sales.

[Hartusvuori]

True but don't forget his book was released on Sept 16th so plenty of interviews to help sales.

Book? Any chance of English edition, does anyone know? I'd love to know more about Loeb, for he has been quite tight-lipped throughout years, perhaps mostly because of his lack of English skills. But this could help the case of getting to know the man behind all those victories a bit better.

[noel157]

Would be interesting if there was an English version released:

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/2749912679/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0CAA148KWJF4HJEE76BA&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375533&pf_rd_i=405320

[danon]

Seb Loeb quits. This time for good, probably - Interview Lionel Robert - Paris Match -> http://www.parismatch.com/People-Match/Sport/Actu/Sebastien-Loeb-l-homme-tranquille-213131/

[Rally Hokkaido]

Seb Loeb quits. This time for good, probably - Interview Lionel Robert - Paris Match -> http://www.parismatch.com/People-Match/Sport/Actu/Sebastien-Loeb-l-homme-tranquille-213131/

Ah, did you read the posts just above yours on this thread? ↑

[xavier]

Perhaps our Francais friends can help?

[quote="Seb Loeb"]
PM: Si Sébastien Ogier, votre coéquipier chez Citroën et l&#8217]

PM: If Sébastien Ogier, your teammate at Citroen and the man on the rise currently in the rally world, would beat you regularly, would it incite you to stop?

SL: Yes, I think. I would say to myself it is not worth to take inconsiderate risk to try to match him. But it's not him that will end my carrier. It's me who will take that decision, and it will be probably by the end of the 2011 Season.

[Karukera]

Good decision !!! nothing left to achieve, nothing left to master, nothing left to spoil his legacy...

Its going to be an epic goobye by the best the sport ever offered.

He may still have a last exciting challenge : to win the 1st championship of the new WRC era.

[Barreis]

No problem, that's only if SO beats him on regular bases (every rally)..

[noel157]

Thanks Xavier.

I didn't understand this part:

PM - Etre gaucher et avoir 14 sur 10 aux deux yeux, ça aide ?
SL - Sûrement, car pour le reste... J’ai besoin de bouger, mais je déteste le jogging.

Left handed and 14 out of 10 with his eyes? What has jogging got to do with being left handed ?

Can you explain? Obviously something has been lost in translation. Thanks.

[xavier]

SL - Sûrement, car pour le reste... J’ai besoin de bouger, mais je déteste le jogging.


Surely, but for the rest... I need to move, but i hate jogging.

[ste898]

he
Loeb leaving wrc after 2011.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2Farkistot%2Fralli%2F2010%2F09%2F118976 1

He is probably scared in case he starts being beaten..........after all he has'nt had much competition the last few years yet he is classed as the best driver ever..............lol lol

[Mirek]

Loeb scared of being beaten? Have You lived on the moon in last seven years?

[N.O.T]

he

He is probably scared in case he starts being beaten..........after all he has'nt had much competition the last few years yet he is classed as the best driver ever..............lol lol

indeed during his reign he stomped through

Sainz
Mcrae
Burns
Gronholm
Hirvonen
Latvala
Makinen
Solberg
Martin
Panizzi

and some others....so not much competition indeed....only the last 2 years he faced much inferior opponents..and treated them like dogs without owners....

He is the best ever and will be for some time.....

[cut the b.s.]

indeed during his reign he stomped through

Sainz
Mcrae
Burns
Gronholm
Hirvonen
Latvala
Makinen
Solberg
Martin
Panizzi

and some others....so not much competition indeed....only the last 2 years he faced much inferior opponents..and treated them like dogs without owners....

He is the best ever and will be for some time.....

you are spot on, and people who knock him as he only drove Citroen, remember how much devolopement he did for Citroen, he is the man that worked with the team to make them what they are.

[Barreis]

I agree..

[Kiwitahi]

Dont get me wrong Loebs a great driver, but suggesting he stomped through that list of drivers. Stomped is a bit of a exaggeration.

Sure he got the best of Gronholm and Hirvonen fair and square.

But during Loebs tenure:

He beat an ageing Carlos Sainz who was in his winding down years? Was that the Carlos of the early 90s or 97-98?
Colin Mcrae who had one year with a Citroen team he struggled to fit in to. Then two rallys for Skoda.
Burns who was up against Loeb for one year before his illness.
Makinen who was winding down things. Not the Tommi we saw from 1996-1999.
Panizzi? - Come on!
Petter had a good car for one, maybe two years (03-04) then the Subaru wilderness years. And now hes got a car with Citroen 'hand me down' bits on it.

You cant compare Loeb with Colin, Carlos and Tommi. They were from an era where the best drivers got the best drives. Not because your dad was Malcom Wilson or your Spanish investor put the money up.

Different cars, different eras. You cant compare Colin with Salonen or Toivanen. Nor Salonen with Timo Makinen.

Loebs a great, one of the best. But I just dont think you can say the greatest.

It probably wont happen. But to see him up against a Latvala with the 'Wilson shackles' released, or a Ogier in his prime. Now then rallying would be back!

[N.O.T]

for every win there are 100 excuses and for every loss a million.....

incompetence of the human race never fails to amaze me....

the fact that he managed to DOMINATE for almost decade shows he is the best ever..

you have 2 posts too many.

[Kiwitahi]

Everyones entitled to there opinion. I didn't realize i had to reach my 10,000 posts quota for my opinion to count. No need to start slagging someones viewpoint.

[6789]

Everyones entitled to there opinion. I didn't realize i had to reach my 10,000 posts quota for my opinion to count. No need to start slagging someones viewpoint.
Welcome to the forum.

Next year i think Ogier could end up champion, less tarmac events, so it should be great. Really depends on any mechanical issues with the DS3 and Focus

[N.O.T]

Everyones entitled to there opinion. I didn't realize i had to reach my 10,000 posts quota for my opinion to count. No need to start slagging someones viewpoint.

its not about post count..its about post intelligence....

to come in here and diminishing EVERY opponent Loeb has ever faced its just shows bias...

He is the greatest...either you don't want it....disagree with it....pose against t...or not.

[mm1]

I think he had some good points, and there`s always two ends on a stick. Loeb is the gratest, no competitiion there, but N.O.T must admit that he was very lucky to be in the right place in the right time.

[Rallyper]

its not about post count..its about post intelligence....

to come in here and diminishing EVERY opponent Loeb has ever faced its just shows bias...

He is the greatest...either you don't want it....disagree with it....pose against t...or not.

Well, Loeb is ONE of the gratest, no doubt. But his superior is not bigger than the old drivers named from other eras. That´s also for sure.

And N.O.T you should win a great deal of respect if you talked more humble.

[cali]

Wait, i just don't understand ... Loeb being lucky? Lucky for being the best driver that rallying has ever seen (by achievements)?

What about Mäkinen's 4 championships in a row? The field of top drivers was even narrower at his peak time. Somehow he was never so dominating as Loeb.

Or maybe Kankkunen was lucky cause he could beat other drivers 4 times?



C'mon guys, Loeb has destroyed every opponent by a margin. Drivers have come and gone but he has been better than the rest by huge difference. Some say it's the car, some say it's the opponents - we never know because he has destroyed every driver there is.

If you think that being lucky is to have that kind of talent, then YES, i agree with you. Loeb is the best driver in rallying EVER! If you do not believe it, then look at the numbers. Times change, cars change, rallys change, drivers change, but nobody in rallying history has been so dominant.

[rallyrazz]

for every win there are 100 excuses and for every loss a million.....

incompetence of the human race never fails to amaze me....

the fact that he managed to DOMINATE for almost decade shows he is the best ever..

you have 2 posts too many.

that quite an aggressive response, Kiwitahi was only expressing his opinion. plus he is new to the forums, and is a fan of rallying, so I really think you should try and be less rude in your posts.

[Kiwitahi]

I do think you might be being a bit harsh on Tommi there. Colin in the Subaru, Carlos and Didier in the Corollas and Burns, Eriksson or Kankkunen sure would of scared me more than Mikko and co.

Its not luck that hes a champion. Its not luck that he never ever makes a mistake while at the same time setting fastest times. No ones downplaying what Sebastian has done or trying to upset the Loeb fanclub. Records wise he is the most successful.

I just don't like comparing statistics across generations. Theres too many complications.

[cali]

I do think you might be being a bit harsh on Tommi there. Colin in the Subaru, Carlos and Didier in the Corollas and Burns, Eriksson or Kankkunen sure would of scared me more than Mikko and co.

Its not luck that hes a champion. Its not luck that he never ever makes a mistake while at the same time setting fastest times. No ones downplaying what Sebastian has done or trying to upset the Loeb fanclub. Records wise he is the most successful.

I just don't like comparing statistics across generations. Theres too many complications.

I'm not Loeb fan by any means, but somehow somebody seems to forget all the record he has broken over the past 9-10 years. I'm just all down to numbers and they don't lie. Loeb is the best ever according to numbers (by a mile), we can all argue about who has the most talent which is more down to individual preferences and therefore irrelevant :)

I'll agree on your last sentence, too many complications for comparing different generations.

Shame, but this time i have to agree with N.O.T. about Loeb :)

About Tommi's titles, i can also put up a wordfight with you :) , this is my opinion (don't take it too seriously though cause everybody vcan find excuses):

Carlos - too unlucky, could've had at least 1-2 titles during that period
Colin - too unreliable, crashed a lot, otherwise phenomenon
Didier - was past his prime
Eriksson (???) - not a contender by any means, down to at least one level if we compare him with Tommi, Carlos, Colin, Juha...
Kankkunen - almost past his prime
Burns - was just a "schoolboy", his prime started during 1998

Loeb has been up against almost all of the mentioned drivers + Grönholm, Petter, Märtin, Panizzi (tarmac), Hirvonen, Latvala, Rovanperä, Galli and more.

[Tomi]

I'm just all down to numbers and they don't lie. Loeb is the best ever according to numbers (by a mile), we can all argue about who has the most talent which is more down to individual preferences and therefore irrelevant :)

You are right, there is really no other way to measure, but the results, everything else does not mean anything, because his job is to win, first Championships then rallies.

[alleskids]

I do not see much news or rumours in the last coupe of posts, even more we had the same ""who is the greatest rallydriver"" discussion many times before. Go start up a new treat for this never ending discussion and leave this one for news and rumours.
thanks :)

[Bobcat]

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[Rallyper]

Wait, i just don't understand ... Loeb being lucky? Lucky for being the best driver that rallying has ever seen (by achievements)?

What about Mäkinen's 4 championships in a row? The field of top drivers was even narrower at his peak time. Somehow he was never so dominating as Loeb.

Or maybe Kankkunen was lucky cause he could beat other drivers 4 times?



C'mon guys, Loeb has destroyed every opponent by a margin. Drivers have come and gone but he has been better than the rest by huge difference. Some say it's the car, some say it's the opponents - we never know because he has destroyed every driver there is.

If you think that being lucky is to have that kind of talent, then YES, i agree with you. Loeb is the best driver in rallying EVER! If you do not believe it, then look at the numbers. Times change, cars change, rallys change, drivers change, but nobody in rallying history has been so dominant.

Cali - how old are you. Where you just a playing kid when Makinen, Kankkunen, Burns where fighting?

You must have been because you just don´t seem to have all the facts. Makinen lucky? No. Sainz unlucky? Yes one time. Burns? - 0ne of the greatest. He was the best ever driver driving in fog. And was unlucky when he signed the frog team in 2002. And of course went ill and sadly died. He would have proved a lot if he´d lived on.

So Loeb who won most of his titles when all these master was gone is one of the best but please don´t give him the skies. He´s just one of them all!

[cali]

Cali - how old are you. Where you just a playing kid when Makinen, Kankkunen, Burns where fighting?

You must have been because you just don´t seem to have all the facts. Makinen lucky? No. Sainz unlucky? Yes one time. Burns? - 0ne of the greatest. He was the best ever driver driving in fog. And was unlucky when he signed the frog team in 2002. And of course went ill and sadly died. He would have proved a lot if he´d lived on.

So Loeb who won most of his titles when all these master was gone is one of the best but please don´t give him the skies. He´s just one of them all!

Sorry, I'm old enough to remember even H.Toivonen driving though i was a kid back then. Like I said in my previous posts, you can find any excuses you want, but the number will speak for themselves. Maybe our kids will remember Mikko and JML as masters, generations will change but facts will remain the same :) Enough OT from me ;)

[Mirek]

It's quite pointless discussion. Talking about what would have been if... leads nowhere. In that point every possible statement has dozen adequate replies.

Just an example... What would be if Loeb stayed in gymnastics? Would we call after some time Latvala, Sordo or Hirvonen legends like Sainz, McRae or Burns? Most probably yes because they would have epic fights for titles. Unfortunately for them Loeb came in and gave others no chance.

Telling that he kept winning for almost a decade just because there weren't any drivers like in good old days is short-sighted. There is no reason why good drivers would have suddenly been missing in the world.

As some here already stated, what matters is facts and statistics. In achievements Loeb is by far the best driver ever. There's no discussion about that as it's simple fact. Alternative histories are good for movies but don't count in reality.

By the way a sentence saying that "the good old times will never return since present time is just messed-up" is as old as history of man kind, it was found written on five thousand years old ancient column :)

[Rallyper]

Sorry, I'm old enough to remember even H.Toivonen driving though i was a kid back then. Like I said in my previous posts, you can find any excuses you want, but the number will speak for themselves. Maybe our kids will remember Mikko and JML as masters, generations will change but facts will remain the same :) Enough OT from me ;)

Point and statistics is true yes - for the number man. If you have a heart and been aware of the drivers thrue the centuries you will never say LOeb is the one and only. There are more drivers obviously.