[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

[Langdale Forest]

When did he crash on the first corner, please explain....

[Mirek]

Last year in Ypres. It was left hander 150 meters from start.

[Langdale Forest]

Was it a bad crash?

[vino_93]

because he crashed with him his chances to have a new programm with a new sponsor ? ;)

And just 150 meters after the start ... very good perf' !

[Walach]

More than bad it was stupid crash...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOP3k_bSPR0

[Daniel]

More than bad it was stupid crash...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOP3k_bSPR0
A quality driver :rotflmao:

[A.F.F.]

Duval is the perfect example of how a **** character can ruin a career....plus he is too fat, he should join paasonen at burger king.

Hey!! Paasonen is not fat. He has just big bones :)

[Francis44]

Bernardo Sousa is negotiating with M-Sport to drive a Focus WRC in Rally Vinho Madeira as course car.

[Mirek]

What is the point for doing that? Why doesn't he want to drive in competition with his Fiesta?

[Francis44]

]What is the point for doing that? Why doesn't he want to drive in competition with his Fiesta?

He dreams to drive an WRC, and this is those cars last year on the "top of the line". First he says top priority is to score points in Açores for the championship so that he can miss scoring in Madeira.

BTW the negotiation is for an 2008 Focus WRC.

Personaly I think he might be scared of IRC competition on his home ground.

[dimviii]

He dreams to drive an WRC, and this is those cars last year on the "top of the line". First he says top priority is to score points in Açores for the championship so that he can miss scoring in Madeira.

BTW the negotiation is for an 2008 Focus WRC.

Personaly I think he might be scared of IRC competition on his home ground.

not scared,pwned by s2000.
totaly wrong decision imho.

[RS]

]What is the point for doing that? Why doesn't he want to drive in competition with his Fiesta?

Because he will be beaten.

[Francis44]

Because he will be beaten.

Yeah I think that's the case :D .....

I kinda feel sad for Bernardo, he was really fast, I remember when I went to Madeira for the Rally Vinho Madeira 2007,
and he was participating with the Evo 9, he was 6th in between all those S2000 and he was the faster guy at the spot where I was,
shame he then went off really hard, we saw the car down the road and I was surprised on how far down the road the car was,
just one or two stages after I saw him. He is now a more consistent guy but I think between the learning process he sacrificed
some of his speed in order to keep the car on the road.

[bluuford]

It was just announced that Markko Märtin takes part in Rally Estonia which is IRC candidate rally in this year (Held one and a half week before NORF). He will drive Focus WRC.

link for the news: http://sport.postimees.ee/?id=272981
rally homepage: http://www.rallyestonia.com/2010/
Entries so far: http://autosport.ee/rallyreg/?page=27&race_id=80&

[mm1]

I`ll be there, that`s for sure!

Do you know who is the co-driver and is it the same car Georg Gross is driving or is it the new version?

[bluuford]

I`ll be there, that`s for sure!

Do you know who is the co-driver and is it the same car Georg Gross is driving or is it the new version?

It seems that he is driving with the same Focus as Gross did. He says that this is the best WRC ever :-)

There are rumors that we might see another top name on the start list, related to the main sponsor of the rally.

[mm1]

Could it be Mr.Solberg then?
And I`m not to surprised about Martins thoughts, his best memories are with that car :)

[6789]

It seems that he is driving with the same Focus as Gross did. He says that this is the best WRC ever :-)

There are rumors that we might see another top name on the start list, related to the main sponsor of the rally.

It'd have to be Petter with all the Nad-Croc sponsorship. Would love to somehow see Martin in NORF

[bluuford]

Well, this Solberg story looks more logical than true for me. The sponsor is the same, it would be nice way to test for Finland and it would be extremely good publicity for the sponsor. But is it true? I dont know, I think it is just a pure rumor based on the logical thinking.

[tolis]

Matti Rantanen also used Mad-Croc in last year's NORF. Could it be him, although he is only a young talent! :D

[bluuford]

I`ll be there, that`s for sure!

Do you know who is the co-driver and is it the same car Georg Gross is driving or is it the new version?

Here is the official confirmation that he will drive Focus WRC03
http://www.ruudulipp.ee/markko-martin-stardib-mad-croc-rally-estonial.html
Theu also say that best drivers from Scandinavia, Russia and Baltic states are expected.

[bennizw]

Co-driver will be Robert Reid maybe?

[Pinto]

didnt mikkellson and sandell not have mad croc backing in the past as well


edit discount sandell sure he has red bull backing now

[wrc_flipper]

Press release from Citroën on RallyBuzz..

Sebastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia will join the ranks of the Citroen Total World Rally Team in Finland, Japan and Great Britain. Dani Sordo and Marc Marti will play their usual role on the four
asphalt rounds.

[Koppomsbo]

Press release from Citroën on RallyBuzz..

Sebastien Ogier and Julien Ingrassia will join the ranks of the Citroen Total World Rally Team in Finland, Japan and Great Britain. Dani Sordo and Marc Marti will play their usual role on the four
asphalt rounds.

Auch, that has to sting a bit for Sordo.

[N.O.T]

very logical move....i wonder what the reply from ford will be, maybe they promote wilslow as well....ha ha

[6789]

Be interesting to see if Ogier changes his driving with thee extra pressure of being in M1. I don't think Ford has a comeback N.O.T? Wilson to car 3 like you said maybe lol

[pettersolberg29]

I have a horrible feeling that Citroen did this so that Loeb is in control on gravel - as in if Ogier is winning, Citroen will ask him to 'accidentally' lose time so Loeb can win. While Ogier is in the Citroen Total team he is completely controlled by them. In Ogier's favour is the opportunity to work with and get used to the manufacturer team which I'm certain he'll be part of in 2011.

Also, I would think the next 3 gravel rallies may be Sordo best chance to ever win a gravel rally. He will have no pressure on him and will probably be told to just go for it and try and get experince of winning and cleaning roads.

[Ville]

I have a horrible feeling that Citroen did this so that Loeb is in control on gravel - as in if Ogier is winning, Citroen will ask him to 'accidentally' lose time so Loeb can win. While Ogier is in the Citroen Total team he is completely controlled by them.

Ogier was already under Citroens full control in the Junior Team. Remember Poland last year or Jordania this year?

[N.O.T]

I have a horrible feeling that Citroen did this so that Loeb is in control on gravel - as in if Ogier is winning, Citroen will ask him to 'accidentally' lose time so Loeb can win. While Ogier is in the Citroen Total team he is completely controlled by them.

mr goldfish

the fact that citroen put ogier to clean the road a few events back in order Loeb to have a chance to win the event doesn;t show complete control over the juniors ?

they need him in the official team because he is way faster than sordo at the moment.

[RS]

mr goldfish
they need him in the official team because he is way faster than sordo at the moment.

But after Ford's performance this year they don't really need him do they?

Any word on whether there is any chance of a return to 3-car teams next year, or even wider system such as used in IRC? Or has that been filed in the ideas bin labelled "too good" at FIA hq?

[pettersolberg29]

Ville and NOT - I see what your saying, and perhaps my goldfish-like memory has ruined my point. What I was trying to say was that Ogier may actually be as good as Loeb now, however I don't think he will now be allowed to win again if Loeb is behind him. His win in Portugal was allowed only because of his tactics in Jordan. Now he is in the Citroen Total team, his aim will be manufacturer points and to SUPPORT Loeb, not challenge him for wins.

Yes, he was already controlled by Quesnel, but do you think that Citroen would allow Ogier to beat Loeb if the title battle gets remotely close? I feel this is just a way to appease Ogier - have a go in the 'big boys' team and get experience with the mechanics etc, and in return you will not beat Loeb but just support him.

[GigiGalliNo1]

think its a bit of BS for Sordo after all these years sitting behind Loeb and not being able to win! He's had the opportunities but what the team says must go. He's there to support. Ogier being bumped up for a few rounds as said in the wrc article takes the pressure off of Sordo.... so perhaps he can push and we WILL see what potential Sordo has. I wish him the best and will wait to see what he will come up with!

[bluuford]

Ville and NOT - I see what your saying, and perhaps my goldfish-like memory has ruined my point. What I was trying to say was that Ogier may actually be as good as Loeb now, however I don't think he will now be allowed to win again if Loeb is behind him. His win in Portugal was allowed only because of his tactics in Jordan. Now he is in the Citroen Total team, his aim will be manufacturer points and to SUPPORT Loeb, not challenge him for wins.

Yes, he was already controlled by Quesnel, but do you think that Citroen would allow Ogier to beat Loeb if the title battle gets remotely close? I feel this is just a way to appease Ogier - have a go in the 'big boys' team and get experience with the mechanics etc, and in return you will not beat Loeb but just support him.

I think that the reason is completely opposite. You believe that the sun is yellow and sky is blue? It is not so straightforward! It is related to the fact that Citroen gets much more publicity when Ogier wins Loeb again. Who cares was it Loebs 5xth or 10xth win? But when someone young FRENCH guy comes and beats him. Voilaa. And now Citroen do not need to worry about loosing manufacturer points like they did in Portugal. Get it? It is all about marketing and titles.. who cares which Frenchman takes it.

[pettersolberg29]

I think that the reason is completely opposite. You believe that the sun is yellow and sky is blue? It is not so straightforward! It is related to the fact that Citroen gets much more publicity when Ogier wins Loeb again. Who cares was it Loebs 5xth or 10xth win? But when someone young FRENCH guy comes and beats him. Voilaa. And now Citroen do not need to worry about loosing manufacturer points like they did in Portugal. Get it? It is all about marketing and titles.. who cares which Frenchman takes it.

You may very well be right, but do you think Loeb will be happy if Citroen let Ogier beat him? Yes - it will be good for Citroen's publicity and make Ogier a better driver, but while Loeb is still in the WRC he will be the main man at Citroen, I have no doubt.

[Pinto]

the few tarmac rounds ill be sordos swan song for the citroen works team will they keep him there next year in some role ie third driver or junior team if that is still there.
i think Quesnel has really dealt Sordo a raw deal after all he's done for the team over the few years at least one win would be some form of payback.
it does seem Quesnel is very blinded to a french bias and maybe it has been a chink in the teams aromur over the years but i think Guy frequelin was a more fairer man.
But then Oiger was prob only stop Gap untill a french driver came up the ranks to complet the ultimate french super team a bit like merc in F1 but then hey the Manufacturer pumps the money in they have the right to dictate what happens

[bluuford]

You may very well be right, but do you think Loeb will be happy if Citroen let Ogier beat him? Yes - it will be good for Citroen's publicity and make Ogier a better driver, but while Loeb is still in the WRC he will be the main man at Citroen, I have no doubt.

We will see

[Tomi]

Good move of Citroen to give Ogier more responsibility, I dont think Loeb will continiue his carreer so long anymore and Ogier would be the best possible replacement atlest at the moment, maybe it would be good for Sordo to look around for new team if its not too late already, it would be a pity if he end up driving in irc or some national series.

[DonJippo]

Sordo will drive for Citroen "junior" team next year together with Kimi.

[maxter]

You may very well be right, but do you think Loeb will be happy if Citroen let Ogier beat him? Yes - it will be good for Citroen's publicity and make Ogier a better driver, but while Loeb is still in the WRC he will be the main man at Citroen, I have no doubt.
Point remains that Ogier wouldn't have more freedom to fight for wins in the junior team than he will in the works team (on the contrary they'll want him to score as much points for the manufacturers as possible which should make them hesitant to sacrifice him the way they did in Jordan, for example, even if he may or may not be allowed to beat Loeb). I don't think he'll be more under Citroen's control than he's been before.

[J.Lindstroem]

Sordo will drive for Citroen "junior" team next year together with Kimi.

thought it was official that he is driving for the works Citroen together with Loeb AND Ogier in 2011. Maybe im wrong.

[Langdale Forest]

I really don't see why Citroen should bother putting Sordo in the junior team, he is persistant, but never is allowed to win. And he would have probably only won 1 WRC event if he was allowed to.

And as for Kimmi, it's nice to see that he wants to keep away from F1.

[tmx]

Sordo will drive for Citroen "junior" team next year together with Kimi. I'm assuming Sordo will now have a downgraded car? He should start negotiating with new teams.

[Barreis]

With what teams?

[ZequeArgentina]

Sordo will win at least one of those tarmacd events, and will help Loeb and Citroen more than Ogier!!

[Motorsportfun]

Phil Mills left Petter Solberg's right seat. =(

[alleskids]

Phil Mills is stopping after this season?

[6789]

Phil Mills is stopping after this season?

Effective as of now :(

[bluuford]

Phil Mills is stopping after this season?

No. Two hours ago

[ProRally]

Phil Mills is stopping after this season?

THIS IS BIG BIG Surprise !!!??? What happened ? I always thought he going to stay with Petter till the "end"....

[Hartusvuori]

In the latest issue of VM Magazine there's a Latvala interview where he says the following:

- He will most likely contest in Lahti Historic Rally with Escort BDA. It's the event he won last year with the same car.

- M-Sport have made a sort of prototype of the new Fiesta WRC that have the current 2.0-litre turbo engine (detuned). The all-new 1,6-litre turbo engine is ready, but not yet fitted to the car. He have not yet driven Fiesta S2000, but will do so this summer. M-Sport is test driving the new car near M-Sport base.

[sal]

Suggestions elsewhere that not one team has yet got a 1.6 turbo engine ready yet and that the two current teams Ford and Citroen may try and push the FIA into allowing them to run their current engines in the new cars in 2011....

[MJW]

This whole tranistion of new WRC cars must rank as THE worst managed change in the history of motorsport. FFS we are 6 months away from the new start and Citroen and Ford say yesterday on wrc.com that they will have 4 cars each ready, I guess the Citroen 4 will be the same as this year and Ford MH, JML plus 2 others. i know that many here will say they dont care but what about Ken Block, and the others who run WRC cars, the Solberg brothers etc. and what about Atko? what cars are these going to drive next year? Normal S2000 - that will certainly create more of a 2 tier champ (in reality the current customer cars are at least nominally the same spec, but in reality several evolutions behind). Instead of allowing the new cars with the current engines they should be made to run standard S2000, afterall Ford has a Fiesta and Citroen could no doubt run a 207 engine in the DS3.

[AndyRAC]

Suggestions elsewhere that not one team has yet got a 1.6 turbo engine ready yet and that the two current teams Ford and Citroen may try and push the FIA into allowing them to run their current engines in the new cars in 2011....

No, No and No...!!! It was both Ford and Citroen who wanted 1.6T engines - if they can't get them ready tough!! Use an S2000 - which is what should have happened for 2-3 years - until the S1.6T came in.

No doubt, they will get their way.... :mad:

[MJW]

1.6T is the correct formula and the way the whole industry is going, but I am sure that if standard S2000 would have come in from 2010 as was initially talked about WRC would be healthier. Martin Holmes wrote in gpweek.com that since the Japanese have left Citroen and Ford hold all the power, and whatever FIA think these 2 remaining manufacturers run the show. So much so I am beginning to doubt they want any new manufacturer joining their exclusive club.
Ona related theme if as has been said so many times that small capcity turbo petrol engines is what mainstream car makers will be building, where exactly does 4 wheel drive fit into that picture, 2 wheel drive, 1.6T cars are what the public will be the mainstay.

[Barreis]

Morrie Chandler put all the power in hands of citroen and ford. WRC needs new leader. J. Todt made more positive statements on WRC in few months then Chandler in few years.. Not good for the sport..

[Gard]

Suggestions elsewhere that not one team has yet got a 1.6 turbo engine ready yet and that the two current teams Ford and Citroen may try and push the FIA into allowing them to run their current engines in the new cars in 2011....

Much politics going on. Citroen(PSA), Ford, Skoda(VAG) and probably several other have engines they could have used today, if they wanted to. You could get 98% of the performance and 95% of the reliability with parts already available.

[feresc13]

Sorry if you talked about this on another threat, Kankkunen the great is planning to run in 1000 lakes Rally on a Focus WRC sponsored by Neste Oil

http://www.rallybuzz.com/kkk-norf-entry/

PS: For me Finland Rally always will be called 1000 lakes Rally

[Wim]

Cosworth racing will co-devellop boxer engine with Subaru...
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/subaru-and-cosworth-prepare-new-16-liter-boxer-engine-ar92108.html

[turves]

Toyota and Prodrive rumoured to team up for 2011...

http://www.crash.net/world+rally/news/160826/1/toyota_to_team_up_with_prodrive_for_2011_wrc.html

[Leon]

Toyota and Prodrive rumoured to team up for 2011...

http://www.crash.net/world+rally/news/160826/1/toyota_to_team_up_with_prodrive_for_2011_wrc.html

after Mini and Prodrive, now rumours are with Toyota.....

I also heard a rumour that Prodrive is preparing the next Tata Nano WRC. The shells already arrived at the company´s base at Banbury and Lapworth and co are working on the next Loeb and DS3 beater....

Come on lets hear some concrete news. I´m fed up with all those prodrive rumours/releases especially from crash.net

[Viking]

I also heard a rumour that Prodrive is preparing the next Tata Nano WRC. The shells already arrived at the company´s base at Banbury and Lapworth and co are working on the next Loeb and DS3 beater....


First pic

http://blog.niot.net/blog-images/220-000-dc-designs-tata-nano-coming-this-year.jpg


;)

[Hartusvuori]

While meeting with press today about NORF 2010, Juha Kankkunen also comfirmed in his role as WRC advisor to FIA that Toyota is in talks about a comeback to the sport. But nothing more. He also named Proton, KIA and Nissan as makes that have shown interest towards WRC. But nothing more.

Link to a Finnish news story. (http://www.sportti.com/uutinen.asp?CAT=1-2&ID=175492)

[Barreis]

M.Chandler is only figure that turns how wind blows..

[DonJippo]

Come on lets hear some concrete news.

By the end of this month we should get concrete news.

[smokin'joe]

Why would Toyota enlist Prodrive to do a job that their offshoot (TTE) could do as successfully??

silly rumours link Prodrive to everything as it obvious the creators of such dribble would like to see Prodrive back. wouldn't we all, as well as either MRE/Ralliart, TTE etc

[urabus-denoS2000]

Does TTE exist anymore ?

[I am evil Homer]

They still have employees in Cologne whether they are "TTE" or ex F1 i'm not sure.

[Mirek]

I heard that Nicolas Todt was negotiating about buying complete Toyota F1 facilities in Cologne to help him enter F1 with his ART GP team.

[Barreis]

Any news about mini? It's middle of the year and there's no sign of a car and testing..

[bluuford]

You know the car is just so, so tiny (mini) and so fast that noone has not seen it yet:-)

[Barreis]

It will be as fast as latest impreza..

[Leon]

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/06/23/dont-hold-your-breath-for-toyota-in-the-wrc/

[Francis44]

Kris Meeke and Bruno Magalhães are rumoured to participate in Rally do Marítimo in order to prepare Rally Vinho Madeira.

[Francis44]

Freddy Loix in Madeira with Evo 2, confirmed by himslef on Eurosport.

[OldF]

Ford in YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/fordwrc

[OldF]

Tommi Mäkinen Racing in financial troubles.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2Farkistot%2Fralli%2F2010%2F06%2F114845 9&sl=fi&tl=en

[Koppomsbo]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2FSport%2FBilsport%2FPG-utvecklar-Fords-nya-VMbil-100628.aspx


PG tests Fords new Racer

[Xsara Fan]

Don`t know where to post it... But I think that this happened for the first time in the history of rally :) I call it 'Petter`s style'

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3372835.html?v=c38aba75dea4b255bc04e4fcf21f78fc

[Sulland]

Don`t know where to post it... But I think that this happened for the first time in the history of rally :) I call it 'Petter`s style'

http://rutube.ru/tracks/3372835.html?v=c38aba75dea4b255bc04e4fcf21f78fc

Good one ! You saw the engine turn 1 time just before he climbed the hood, so he did not have the handbrake on ! Priceless !

[Hartusvuori]

I call it 'Petter`s style'

I call it CRAZY MENTOS (http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8003/14111387929501051576656.jpg) style! This guy shouldn't have problems getting sponsors - the coverage is guaranteed!

[Xsara Fan]

I call it CRAZY MENTOS (http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8003/14111387929501051576656.jpg) style! This guy shouldn't have problems getting sponsors - the coverage is guaranteed!

I think that Coca-Cola must give him some sponsorship - 'Mentos+Coca Cola='...

[alleskids]

On a Belgium forum, I came across this "news". Can some one (from Wales) confirm this?

Wales Rally GB under threat from tree disease. Swansea Bay Rally later this month has been cancelled as a result. One less gravel event !!!

twitter.com

[Daniel]

On a Belgium forum, I came across this "news". Can some one (from Wales) confirm this?

Wales Rally GB under threat from tree disease. Swansea Bay Rally later this month has been cancelled as a result. One less gravel event !!!

twitter.com
http://www.swanseabayrally.com/

Could be good news for me if it forces the rally properly North which I doubt it will

[MJW]

There is some truth in the fact that there is some bio issue in the forests. However, the swanseabay rally was REALLY struggling with entries. This biological fungus thing came at a very convenient time.
Should be OK, the forests affected only accounted for the two Sunday stages.
Having said that some of the Eco Warriors are claiming it is in all forests and suggest that forests in England Wales and Scotland should be closed for 5 years.
Seems that rallying is always a soft target for the Eco Warriors.........

From a non believer in man made global warming.

[HaCo]

Lol alleskids, that post sounds familiar :)

twitter link: http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn

[alleskids]

;) You must be kiddiing, what a coincidence LOL

[Viridian Black]

http://www.swanseabayrally.com/

Could be good news for me if it forces the rally properly North which I doubt it will

Ditto. WRC in good old Dalby or Kielder please :up:

[Barreis]

On podium..
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85251
http://news.rallywave.eu/post/2010/07/12/FRANCOIS-DUVAL-EN-FORD-FOCUS-OFFICIELLE-AU-RALLYE-D-ALLEMAGNE

[danon]

Citroen hinted that there will be reshuffle of the pilots.
Mr. Sorrow (Sordo) will most likely move to the "Citroen Junior Team",
making company to Raikkonen.
Sebastien Ogier moving up in the "Total".

[bennizw]

We already know this will be happening for the gravel events.

[Red bull]

i dont understand why the citroen drivers are sticking on the team even if they are relagated,ogiers promotion to the total team makes no difference as he ll still play second fiddle as long as loeb is still the lead driver and sordo to the juniour team means no win for the rest of his career,is it bcause they are used to drive only the citroen and no any other make?

[Gard]

This can be positive for sordo. As an example. If Sordo had been in the junior team in Bulgaria, he would been in a better position to fight of Petter. with no manu points on the line, sordo could have driven with higher risk. As I understand, Quesnel had a chat with both of them and they made the sensible choice. this means that Sordo can attack more in the gravel rounds.

[Red bull]

rumours of duval making a come back in the wrc in germany with ford.

[J.Lindstroem]

rumours of duval making a come back in the wrc in germany with ford.

Isn't that already confirmed?

[Red bull]

acording to e-wrc it will be till we see the entry list to be sure.

[Hartusvuori]

rumours of duval making a come back in the wrc in germany with ford.


Isn't that already confirmed?

Autosport: Duval linked to Deutschland return (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85251)


Ford's technical director Christian Loriaux confirmed the 2005 Rally Australia winner had been in touch with the Cumbrian-based team

/ / /

"I think we might have a car available and if he can find the budget then maybe we can make it happen. But that's it, like I said: a commercial deal, not us chasing him."

[Barreis]

This Mr.Joukhi should stop paying for invisible boys..

[Viking]

Autosport: Duval linked to Deutschland return (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85251)

Duval wants a discounte (then, who wouldn't) :)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fautosport.aeiou.pt%2Fgen.pl%3Fp%3Ds tories%26op%3Dview%26fokey%3Das.stories%2F87801

[Barreis]

They should pay him.. What's this? Sport or not?!

[Red bull]

i dont think its wise for duval to pay any money for a drive at ford as this is supposed to be a case of a good samaritan(duval)helping a sick lame man(ford)to try and walk not vise versa.Ford should get a better team to run their cars not money minded m-sport who cant accept theres need to reshuffle their drivers.

[Barreis]

He's a sportman and not a good samaritan.. Bosses know that some Joukhi will come and pay so that's why this sport is so poor.. It's not about quality. It's about money..

[Red bull]

its a pity ford are trying to chase citroen for the title but b4 they even get close.......a junior team comes from behind and overtakes them...also a privateer car.

[Tom206wrc]

i dont understand why the citroen drivers are sticking on the team even if they are relagated,ogiers promotion to the total team makes no difference as he ll still play second fiddle as long as loeb is still the lead driver and sordo to the juniour team means no win for the rest of his career,is it bcause they are used to drive only the citroen and no any other make?



They stick to Citroën simply because currently, in another car(even a in a Focus), they could be behind the slowest of the Citroën's drivers !!! :rolleyes:

[Hartusvuori]

i dont think its wise for duval to pay any money for a drive at ford as this is supposed to be a case of a good samaritan(duval)helping a sick lame man(ford)to try and walk not vise versa.

If you read the Autosport article, if that's the case, it's quite clear Ford isn't asking anything from Duval (for example to drive for main team to score manu points), but Duval and his sponsors are interested in renting a car from M-Sport, just like Grönholm's drive was sponsored earlier this year in Sweden. Of course we know the real deal when we see entries published for Germany.

[donlorean]

He's a sportman and not a good samaritan.. Bosses know that some Joukhi will come and pay so that's why this sport is so poor.. It's not about quality. It's about money..

Well I think that you are right, It's all about money... For exeple whitout Abu Dhabi's money that Ford team has been barried many years ago... And Ogier has never get a chance to drive rally. Citroen have money and Ford don't... So they(M-Sport) have to find it somehow if they want to compete in WRC...

Well I think that you are right, It's all about money... For exeple whitout Abu Dhabi's money that Ford team has been barried many years ago... And Ogier has never get a chance to drive rally. Citroen have money and Ford don't... So they(M-Sport) have to find it somehow if they want to compete in WRC...

Agree, but there is one other aspect also. Whatever "money" comes into M-Sport, be sure there is big margin going in Wilson's pocket FIRST, then the rest serves to run the team. Not the case at Citroën as everyone there is employed by the manufacturer, therefore all the money goes to use for motorsport.

I am fed up with hearing that m-Sport doesn't have as much budget...come on.
Last time wrc was in Monte, all Ford drivers and management travelled by private helicopter from Ardeche to Monaco, Citroën went by road cars. So who has money, and were does it go ????

[Red bull]

If you read the Autosport article, if that's the case, it's quite clear Ford isn't asking anything from Duval (for example to drive for main team to score manu points), but Duval and his sponsors are interested in renting a car from M-Sport, just like Grönholm's drive was sponsored earlier this year in Sweden. Of course we know the real deal when we see entries published for Germany.
ford dont want to admit it but they want to use duval to test their car on tarmack and see if there is a difference btwn him and their drivers as it seems they ve done everything posible to improve the car but their drivers keep blaming the car setup and tyre choice for their poor perfomance :s mokin:

[donlorean]

So who has money, and were does it go ????

Ok then both have money. M-Sport is anyway more private team supported by Ford and Citroen is part of the factory so some one look after all the time how do they spend money. Problem of all this is that you need hell of a lot of money to compete in WRC... There is many exellent drivers around the world who suppose to be driving in WRC but they don't have money. And I don't think that it's JM's or Mikko's(Jouhki's) or Seb jr's fault that things are like they are. They were right time in right place and good for them... I really hope that it changes next year and there is more teams. This two team series is realy boring.

At the moment I think that everybody agree's that Citroen use they money much better than M-Sport... And problem is not drivers, it's car...

[Tom206wrc]

...Ok then both have money. M-Sport is anyway
At the moment I think that everybody agree's that Citroen use they money much better than M-Sport... And problem is not drivers, it's car...



I fully agree here but some Ford fans keep on moaning about drivers and still believe the car is "perfect" just "bad driven" :rolleyes:

[Josti]

Deutschland is probably the only rally where Duval can really excel (in WRC), but the current Ford Focus (particulary) on asphalt just reminds of the longlasting struggle of Subaru in recent years. Being "best of the rest" and nothing more.

On this occasion, I'd like to see Duval back, but he certaintly won't change any tide.

[Barreis]

Remember that Stohl couldn't do better then 8th place whole season in Xsara and Duval was leading after 1st day in Germany..

[Mirek]

Not every Xsara is same like other Xsara...

[Barreis]

Also driver..

[Francis44]

]Not every Xsara is same like other Xsara...

Well they both had a steering wheel and four tyres.

[Mirek]

Also driver..

The same driver achieved several podiums with 307 a year before.

[Barreis]

Also with xsara 2nd place in Cypres I guess..

[cannyboy]

I'd say they offered the rental to him for $1 so as not to interfere with the other drivers contracts.

They are in a very bad spot right now by the looks of things, and maybe he haggled them down to 50p.

[mjh]

its a pity ford are trying to chase citroen for the title but b4 they even get close.......a junior team comes from behind and overtakes them...also a privateer car.

Manufacturers' championship standings
After 7 rounds
1.
Citroen Total World Rally Team
232
2.
BP Ford Abu Dhabi World Rally Team
185
3.
Citroen Junior Team
125

[Woodeye]

If someone really thinks that Duval will have a chance against the Citroens (before crashing out) with currenct Focus you'll be badly disappointed.

Amazing that someone hasn't figured out yet that it should be infact Sarrazin who will save Ford. Or Panizzi. Or Maybe Matias Ekström, he was really fast with Skoda, and it's not even 10 years ago.

[Barreis]

As far as I know no homologations this year so nothing has changed.. So how can be that Citroen is quicker then Ford.. Maybe it's about drivers..

[jonkka]

Not every part or change require homologation.

[Rallyper]

As far as I know no homologations this year so nothing has changed.. So how can be that Citroen is quicker then Ford.. Maybe it's about drivers..

My personal view is that Citroen has developed further. Who can check that out. No one.

The differnce is clearly much bigger this year so they must have done something and after that the minds of Ford-boys do the rest. Unfortenately. :(

[Francis44]

Most of the tweaks might have been with engine management, etc....

But they are faster this year.

[Mirek]

As far as I know no homologations this year so nothing has changed.. So how can be that Citroen is quicker then Ford.. Maybe it's about drivers..

No, they both homologated a lot of things in 2010, they only didn't homologate any changes on engine. Both teams changed some things on suspension, transmission, Citroen also on the bodyshell and Ford on brakes as mentioned in documents on FIA website.

[donlorean]

Maybe it's about drivers..

Last year Mikko and Sebastien was quite same level in gravel rallies but this year Seb is far far away... If car's are in same level, you are meaning that Mikko is lost his speed? I doubt it... And same time Petter is found that speed witch was lost in last five year's? And you think that there is nothing to do whit car? At the moment Ford is so lost whit the car that even Loeb can't win whit it in tarmac... Mikko can drive well in tarmac as you saw in Monte Carlo...

[Barreis]

Remember that Hirvonen won Sweden.. How can be that car lost all that quality in 5 monts?!

[Oppositelock]

Coming back to the homologation mystery. As far as I know, the teams agreed to freeze the technology of the WRC cars in the beginning of 2009.

Did that cover only the parts which have to be homologated under WRC rules, i. e. body parts such as the wheel arches, transmission tunnel, wings, bonnet, bumpers, spoilers, as well as engine components such as inlet and exhaust manifolds, electronic engine management system, turbo, waste-gate and intercooler?

Looks like they can still homologate group A Variant Option modifications for example to rear suspension, transmission, drive line, suspension components, roll cage, seat, harness mountings etc.

Did I get that one right?

[Wim_Impreza]

Mikko can drive well in tarmac as you saw in Monte Carlo...

Monte-Carlo 2010 was a real ice / snow rally, not really a tarmac rally.

[mjh]

Wasn't the issue with Rally Australia last year that Citroen had rushed through a batch of changes before the freeze and stuffed up the paperwork on one of them?

[Barreis]

An ideal line-up for ford: P.Solberg and F.Duval for whole season..

[Allyc85]

An ideal line-up for ford: P.Solberg and F.Duval for whole season..

lol Duval? Hes unemployed and retired from rallying for a reason ;)

[Barreis]

With full program this two could bring the championship..

[J.Lindstroem]

With full program this two could bring the championship..

Ahh seriously man Ford can "bring" the championship this year also. I think you should stop being so sure about your things... Its not over yet and its not so big gap between them. Wait and see! And i dont think Duval and Solberg could do it better than theese two. Hirvonen is even beating Solberg many times, and he is in a slower car!

[FAlonso]

There is almost no doubt in my mind that this huge difference in performance between Citroen - Ford is down to the car. At this years Rally Portugal I spectated in places, such as tight uphill hairpins, where the difference was more than clear to the naked eye. I spoke with people who were near me on site and the consensus (and my personal opinion) was that the Citroen is way ahead on engine power. Of course things such as chassis setup, damper settings et all are relevant but the difference in sheer power (bhp and torque) appears to be quite clear to me at least. How do they do it bearing in mind the strict regulations (of the supposedly max 300bhp rule)?? Don´t know the answer to that. Maybe Citroen made a better and cleverer job when convieving the engine at the beggining than Ford/Pipo. Still, this was on gravel. On tarmac the difference is still there but the Citroen drivers, mainly Loeb and Sordo, push it even further.

[Red bull]

An ideal line-up for ford: P.Solberg and F.Duval for whole season..
solberg and ogier will make a dream team for ford :s mokin:

[Woodeye]

With full program this two could bring the championship..

Sure. They would run out of cars after 3 rallies. Duval has never won anything so he would the worst possible choice. Petter is good but I think that he'll stay in Citroen. Ford's car is in the shape that none is able to win anything with it. For Ogier's sake I also hope he will stick with Citroen as well.

[Karukera]

Current Ford drivers' lineup is Ok and so is the Focus, a car can't step backwards all of a sudden.

Even Loriaux, rally after rally, says the cars only need a good washing and refueling before rejoining the next rally as the pedal angle and all the telemetry say so.

Both Latvala and Hirvonen must be thightly leashed to team orders and the main issue is related to budget or to what MSport is doing with Ford's money.

Except for some oddities of the sport which might bring them some unexpected good results, MSport will concentrate on winning a couple of events like Fin, GB (to make Ford happy) and wait for next year.

Remember that Hirvonen won Sweden.. How can be that car lost all that quality in 5 monts?!


It is because they don't have Gronholm anymore, and the theoretical engineers who sit all day in front of laptop are dictating the development....

This is a classic case of not having drivers with balls to open the mouth and give "directions and ideas, and sometimes say NO to engineers".

They are too young and are just happy to drive and never criticize.

these guys can drive fast, but someone first needs to give them a car that's fast, they are unable to make it fast.

[Barreis]

So it's about drivers after all..

[wrc_flipper]

François Duval has just confirmed he will be joining the Stobart M-Sport Ford as a guest driver in Rally Germany.

[jacko]

François Duval has just confirmed he will be joining the Stobart M-Sport Ford as a guest driver in Rally Germany.

Superb news, in 2007 he was fantastic in the older Xsara, i doubt he can match that performance this year (against Citroen), but i do think, if there's a good test session and the car is what i believe the same spec as Hirvonen & Latvala, he will beat the last one for sure.

What i still don't get is why Ford didn't get Duval behind the wheel in Bulgarien, it could be a perfect preparation for Germay (and Spain & France). It was no secret that the chance of Duval on the start-list for Germany was nearly 100%.
But there's more what i don't get from Malcolm Wilson. His intention to get Ogier in the Ford team is finally a smart one, in the end a result of the poor performance of the drivers now in the Ford team.
I do think both drivers are on the max. and there's no progression anymore. So MW must handle before we have another Citroen year..

But i'm still happy with this news, i will be there for sure as a spectator, looking already forward after missing it last year :)

[Barreis]

:)

[Josti]

Remember that Duval already drove the Deutschland Rally in a Stobart Focus two years ago, becoming third in front of Hirvonen.

[Tomi]

Well guys , you have good time to think about good explanations why Duval is so slow.

[Red bull]

ford shouldnt waste their time on the current drivers,i feel duval and ogier(they should buy out his contract at citroen)can do the job and change the tide by the end of the season,the current ones should be hired only for the snow rallies.

[noel157]

Well guys , you have good time to think about good explanations why Duval is so slow.

Don't think anybody thinks Dudu is slow, just his ability to stay on the road.
Hope he has a good rally and as said plenty of testing first, he will no doubt be first Focus to finish if all goes well.

[JFL]

Don't think anybody thinks Dudu is slow, just his ability to stay on the road.
Hope he has a good rally and as said plenty of testing first, he will no doubt be first Focus to finish if all goes well.

+1

[Barreis]

Just to finish infront of the Finns and I'll be happy..

[N.O.T]

i never liked duval....and never will. very bad character and too fat...

If he had more than 2 functional brain cells he could easily be a contender since the speed was there but he always thought of himself. i think he has no chance against Hirvonen or latvala if the latter decide to drive.

[Mitch555]

i never liked duval....and never will. very bad character and too fat...

If he had more than 2 functional brain cells he could easily be a contender since the speed was there but he always thought of himself. i think he has no chance against Hirvonen or latvala if the latter decide to drive.

Fairish comment as he never really recovered from 2005. Though Ford has obviously thought this through as they need people to take points off the Citroens.

Can you name 3 to 5 drivers who Ford should have got in front of Duval? As I really struggle to think of fast tarmac drivers in rallying at the moment apart from Panizzi

[I am evil Homer]

There aren't any faster tarmac drivers with recent WRC tarmac experience - although i'd say both Wilks and Meeke would be faster.

Pannizzi was just as error-prone as Duval.

[RJM]

There aren't any faster tarmac drivers with recent WRC tarmac experience - although i'd say both Wilks and Meeke would be faster.

Pannizzi was just as error-prone as Duval.


I'm not sure about wilks being faster than duval on Tarmac.
I would love to see panizzi back, I think he's the only person who could really compete with loeb and sordo. He was the king in a 206 wrc.

[Mirek]

That was long time a go. I heard that last year, when he was helping Skoda with testing Fabia S2000, he was reasonably slower than Kopecký.

In my opinion the best available driver besides current top WRC ones is Kris Meeke.

[Francis44]

I think most of you are being a bit harsh on Duval, he was pretty fast even back when a 5th place was a good result, on tarmac he was easily on top 3 and I think that this time he spent without competition was enough to make him think a bit and perhaps with a experienced co-driver and testing he can get things sorted out and come back full time.

And he's not old and the weight problem can get sorted out with a physical adviser.

And I know sometimes it's hard to believe but standards are higher this time when it comes to drivers, so Panizzi would not be a great choice unless you're looking for a development driver.

[RJM]

]That was long time a go. I heard that last year, when he was helping Skoda with testing Fabia S2000, he was reasonably slower than Kopecký.

In my opinion the best available driver besides current top WRC ones is Kris Meeke.

Yeah I hope meeke gets a drive in the wrc next year, kopecky is one of the best Tarmac drivers at the moment, I would like to see him againt loeb in the same car, I bet there wouldn't be much between them.

[Francis44]

Anyway the WRC is going 1.6T and what about IRC?! I heard they would go Turbo too but with limited manufacters on new car development I dont see here they are going.

[Mirek]

They probably will go to 1.6T also but for not in 2011 as there would be no cars available for some half of season and very little (if some) for the rest. It will take time to spread new cars around.

[RJM]

I'm sure irc will continue using s2000 spec cars, it would be stupid to change I think. I'm not sure about the drivers not being as good today as 5-10 years ago...

[wrc_flipper]

Sébastien's Loeb & Ogier just signed for Citroën in 2011

[Rally Hokkaido]

Toyota executive spokesman, Mr Yamashina was quoted today in an online news service here in Japan as saying that Toyota would announce details of its return to international motor sport activities, next month. The author of the article believed that this would not be a return to F1, but is highly likely to be a WRC and WTCC programme.

[N.O.T]

Great news....hope they choose the WRC where i am sure they will not disappoint.

[Francis44]

Fingers crossed for WRC.

[HaCo]

Yep a good Corolla 1.6T would be great! This might be just the swung the WRC needs!

[Woodeye]

Grönholm might be interested coming back to WRC with Mini. :)

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/07/1158784

And they also have Jarkko Nikara on their list as a potential driver for Mini as well, says David Lapworth.

[N.O.T]

Gronholm only for some events and developing the car...It would be nice to see Nikara in the mini or Ketomaa, we need new arrivals in the top spec cars.

[ProRally]

Toyota executive spokesman, Mr Yamashina was quoted today in an online news service here in Japan as saying that Toyota would announce details of its return to international motor sport activities, next month. The author of the article believed that this would not be a return to F1, but is highly likely to be a WRC and WTCC programme.

And as Toyota owns more then 40% of Subaru now, this could be project for Tommi Makinen Racing ? :D

[Woodeye]

And as Toyota owns more then 40% of Subaru now, this could be project for Tommi Makinen Racing ? :D

Wish it could be. That particular racing company is really close of going out of business.

[Rallyper]

Gronholm only for some events and developing the car...It would be nice to see Nikara in the mini or Ketomaa, we need new arrivals in the top spec cars.

NOT you´re surprising me kind of every time you quote nowadays.

Interseting you mention only finnish drivers being at Mini... :p

keep on N.O.T. that´s good!

[Tomi]

Grönholm might be interested coming back to WRC with Mini. :)
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/07/1158784



Sounds reasonable, a little same like when Kankku was test driver at Hyundai.

[koko0703]

Toyota executive spokesman, Mr Yamashina was quoted today in an online news service here in Japan as saying that Toyota would announce details of its return to international motor sport activities, next month. The author of the article believed that this would not be a return to F1, but is highly likely to be a WRC and WTCC programme.

I almost screamed when I saw the headline of the news on Yahoo Japan because the article was titled "Toyota to Return to the Racing Scenes in WRC" although the article itself only say WRC is most likely :D Considering they own a large share of Subaru, I think a return in the name of Subaru is also possible. Impreza or Celica.... I will welcome back either way.

[ProRally]

Wish it could be. That particular racing company is really close of going out of business.

That is why I said this, Tommi said IF no NEW project is found soon he would call it a day....

[Rally Power]

That is why I said this, Tommi said IF no NEW project is found soon he would call it a day....

Now I understand why some finns are so activly defending the replacement of WRC1.6T by a NEW category (R4)... :D

Yet this growing rumour of Toyota possible return on WRC would be great to came truth!

[alleskids]

The FIA World Rally Commission is thinking of replacing the Junior WRC into a
1 brand Academy. Four companies have submitted their offers for the supply of cars . Observers assume that this is M -Sport, Ralliart Italy , Honda and Mazda. The vehicles will come in six European rallies used.

This newly created Academy is to replace the Star Driver program, which will end this year , as financier Pirelli no longer supports the series. The FIA hopes that Academy will costs 50 percent of the Junior World Cup.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/pwrc-jwrc/d3/n3/d/2010/07/14/junior-wm-wird-zur-akademie/index.html

[Motorsportfun]

The FIA World Rally Commission is thinking of replacing the Junior WRC into a
1 brand Academy. Four companies have submitted their offers for the supply of cars . Observers assume that this is M -Sport, Ralliart Italy , Honda and Mazda. The vehicles will come in six European rallies used.

This newly created Academy is to replace the Star Driver program, which will end this year , as financier Pirelli no longer supports the series. The FIA hopes that Academy will costs 50 percent of the Junior World Cup.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/pwrc-jwrc/d3/n3/d/2010/07/14/junior-wm-wird-zur-akademie/index.html

I made an interview to Marc De Jong, from North One, last week for my magazine Rally Emotion (www.rallyemotion.it (http://www.rallyemotion.it)) and they're thinking to make a proper one-make series like GP2 or F2. It will be available in next issue, at the end of this month.

I've also talked with Fiesta SportingTrophy 2006 winner Alessandro Bettega, former JWRC runner Stefano Albertini and Power Car Team owner, Fabio Munaretto (which gave Clio S1600 to Patrik Sandell and others).

[N.O.T]

The FIA World Rally Commission is thinking of replacing the Junior WRC into a
1 brand Academy. Four companies have submitted their offers for the supply of cars . Observers assume that this is M -Sport, Ralliart Italy , Honda and Mazda. The vehicles will come in six European rallies used.

This newly created Academy is to replace the Star Driver program, which will end this year , as financier Pirelli no longer supports the series. The FIA hopes that Academy will costs 50 percent of the Junior World Cup.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/pwrc-jwrc/d3/n3/d/2010/07/14/junior-wm-wird-zur-akademie/index.html

monopolies never end well in WRC....or they attract useless competitors with nothing to offer...Fiestra trophy, the useless evo 10 pirelli thing ects are prime examples...Manufacturers need competition. the JWRC was an amazing series when it started and for some years but the cost of the cars went out of hand and then it became an attraction only for rich useless kiddies. same like the s2000 will end in 3-5 years time.

In my opinion the FIA needs to standarize car entries in WRC events...for example only WRCs, s2000, N4 are allowed all other cups and privateers keep their energy for their villages or get a car to comply with the regulations and run.

People need to realize that this is not the 80s 90s....the sport evolves and it needs to go with the flow....and if you are one of those romantic kind of rally guys get your girlfriend and go watch a sunset and leave WRC alone...or watch local village rally series.

[White Sauron]

According to some russian sources from the Baja Aragon (Spanish round of the FIA International Cup for Cross-Country Bajas), which is currently being held in Saragoza, the boss of X-Raid BMW Sven Quandt made an offer to Marcus Gronholm to drive for the team in the upcoming Dakar marathon...
PS: I know that Marcus has always said he's not interested in such a dangerous event as Dakar, but still...

[JAM]

According to some russian sources from the Baja Aragon (Spanish round of the FIA International Cup for Cross-Country Bajas), which is currently being held in Saragoza, the boss of X-Raid BMW Sven Quandt made an offer to Marcus Gronholm to drive for the team in the upcoming Dakar marathon...
PS: I know that Marcus has always said he's not interested in such a dangerous event as Dakar, but still...

... And Peterhansel said to portuguese press that Gronholm is not what X-Raid need! :s mokin:

[White Sauron]

... And Peterhansel said to portuguese press that Gronholm is not what X-Raid need! :s mokin:

Thanks for the info, JAM!
I think that in some way Peter is right - Marcus could be very good in Bajas or fast rally-raids, but in Dakar, when driving "by eyes", not by "ears", I'm not sure he'd be that good.

[JFL]

not my kind of sport.. Could'nt care less.. I think Marcus is still to young and quick for it.. ;)

[White Sauron]

not my kind of sport.. Could'nt care less.. I think Marcus is still to young and quick for it.. ;)

Only people who've never been involved in this sport can say such things... And next year it's gonna be only better with merger of bajas and rally-raids. And presence of people such as Sainz and Al-Attiyah, only proves this point.

[koko0703]

TMG President Mr.Kinosita spoke to Autosports Japan about the recent rumors of Toyota's return to the WRC, and he says it is difficult for Toyota to enter WRC as a works team at the moment but it is more realistic for them to develop the car for the customers to run their WRC program.

Although Prodrive has gone with Mini, I think that's where the rumor about Toyota approching Prodrive came from. Prodrive is not an option for them, so who's there to run Toyota WRC program?

[L5->R5/CR]

TMG President Mr.Kinosita spoke to Autosports Japan about the recent rumors of Toyota's return to the WRC, and he says it is difficult for Toyota to enter WRC as a works team at the moment but it is more realistic for them to develop the car for the customers to run their WRC program.

Although Prodrive has gone with Mini, I think that's where the rumor about Toyota approching Prodrive came from. Prodrive is not an option for them, so who's there to run Toyota WRC program?

Tomi Makkinen racing?


Bozian (with a boatload of cash to expand?)?
Kronos (assuming they could be lured from PSA affiliation)?
Seems that TRD Australia did a decent job with their S2000, maybe a combination of smaller teams with a lot of engineering
assistance and some meaningful cash from Toyota?
Take the former RalliArt group and re-assemble that?

Who was it again that ran the Red Bull Skoda's? Same company but better team management?

[alleskids]

Baumschlager racing run the Red Bull Skoda's

[Rally Hokkaido]

TMG President Mr.Kinosita spoke to Autosports Japan about the recent rumors of Toyota's return to the WRC, and he says it is difficult for Toyota to enter WRC as a works team at the moment but it is more realistic for them to develop the car for the customers to run their WRC program.

Although Prodrive has gone with Mini, I think that's where the rumor about Toyota approching Prodrive came from. Prodrive is not an option for them, so who's there to run Toyota WRC program?

koko0703, did you see the article in the latest issue of Holiday Auto? In it they speculate that TMG Engineering (Toyota's F1 team operation) could do it.
There are also lots of details on the Toyota-Subaru FT-86 model - a test mule has been running at Nurburgring, apparently. Toyota's version now looks set to be launched late next year, not this year. There's also talk about Subaru tie-up with Cosworth for a WRC comeback with their version. I was unsure how much was the journalist's speculation and how much was news scoop!

[Tomi]

If the project ever takes off, my guess is that its Mäkinen's job, many things speaks for that, long experience to work with Japanese people and the GrN Subaru project went well too, maybe in a few weeks we hear more, who knows maybe all involved are now in Jyväskylä :)

[Walach]

koko0703, did you see the article in the latest issue of Holiday Auto? In it they speculate that TMG Engineering (Toyota's F1 team operation) could do it.
There are also lots of details on the Toyota-Subaru FT-86 model - a test mule has been running at Nurburgring, apparently. Toyota's version now looks set to be launched late next year, not this year. There's also talk about Subaru tie-up with Cosworth for a WRC comeback with their version. I was unsure how much was the journalist's speculation and how much was news scoop!

Please, do you have link? I can´t find it. :( Thank you.

[alleskids]

http://www.worldrallyranking.com/ranking.asp?Archivio=2010&Tipo=1&Home=1
The new rally drivers ranking list. also ranking among co drivers, rally cars, rally countries

[Tomi]

http://www.worldrallyranking.com/ranking.asp?Archivio=2010&Tipo=1&Home=1
The new rally drivers ranking list

quite amusing reading

[grugsticles]

If the project ever takes off, my guess is that its Mäkinen's job, many things speaks for that, long experience to work with Japanese people and the GrN Subaru project went well too, maybe in a few weeks we hear more, who knows maybe all involved are now in Jyväskylä :)
I thought Tommi Makinen's business was close to folding? OR did I just imagine that.
I think it would be great to have Tommi head a WRC team. He certainly knows how to drive, from all accounts from other drivers he's a pretty decent bloke and obviously must still have the passion for the sport (by running a business).
Perhaps hes not the same as DR in terms of marketing, but still id love to see him back on the WRC circuit.

[Mirek]

http://www.worldrallyranking.com/ranking.asp?Archivio=2010&Tipo=1&Home=1
The new rally drivers ranking list. also ranking among co drivers, rally cars, rally countries

The idea may be good but the result is ridiculous. Useless zone European cups events makes the biggest mess. They are the reason why first is Italy and second Czech Republic because almost every rally there is part of some useless FIA cup which no-one cares about. Tlustak infront of Meeke is also great joke :D

[Tomi]

I thought Tommi Makinen's business was close to folding? OR did I just imagine that.

I did talk with a guy a few weeks ago, who used to work there, he said its up to Tommi if he want to put in own money until this recession is over, the business it self was ok, only no one has money to buy cars now at the moment, and sponsors are difficult to find now too.

[Rally Hokkaido]

Please, do you have link? I can´t find it. :( Thank you.
The article was in the August issue of Holiday Auto - a magazine published in Japan. It specialises in scoops of new car models.
Rival magazine is called Best Car. Here is their website (you can see a photo of test FT-86 there, now)

http://www.bestcar-bc.com/

[Walach]

Thanks. I´ve only found this article http://www.7tune.com/news-scoop-the-ft-86-is-on-time-and-unchanged/ (and in my opinion, this FT-86 is looking better :p )

[Micke_VOC]

Anyone knows any news or rumours about Jwrc in 2011 ?

Ford Fiesta for everyone ? 6 European Rounds ? Any factory program for the winner in 2012 ?

[ProRally]

Anyone knows any news or rumours about Jwrc in 2011 ?

Ford Fiesta for everyone ? 6 European Rounds ? Any factory program for the winner in 2012 ?

Was supposed to be announced in Finland, but again delayed....
At the start there where 6 or 7 manufactures, now only 4 remaining but the selection process is slow.

Idea is, it will be named WRC Academy and it will be R2 car (same for all) and 5 or 6 European rounds.

Hopefully more info in Germany. (but don't count on it too much) :D

[Motorsportfun]

Was supposed to be announced in Finland, but again delayed....
At the start there where 6 or 7 manufactures, now only 4 remaining but the selection process is slow.

Idea is, it will be named WRC Academy and it will be R2 car (same for all) and 5 or 6 European rounds.

Hopefully more info in Germany. (but don't count on it too much) :D

I've talked to Marc De Jong, and he told me that the FIA has called Manufacturers to propose their plans, maybe we will see Renault group involving with the Clio (if the FIA will choose R3 class) or new Twingo (if is R2).

[Wim_Impreza]

]The idea may be good but the result is ridiculous. Useless zone European cups events makes the biggest mess. They are the reason why first is Italy and second Czech Republic because almost every rally there is part of some useless FIA cup which no-one cares about. Tlustak infront of Meeke is also great joke :D

Another joke is that Hirvonen is only 5 points behind Loeb there.

[ProRally]

I've talked to Marc De Jong, and he told me that the FIA has called Manufacturers to propose their plans, maybe we will see Renault group involving with the Clio (if the FIA will choose R3 class) or new Twingo (if is R2).

WRC Academy will be R2 , otherwise it gets to expensive again

[MJW]

see page 47 for Jean Todt's blueprint for wrc event format's, should ruffle a few feathers.............
http://mag.gpweek.com/

[AndyRAC]

see page 47 for Jean Todt's blueprint for wrc event format's, should ruffle a few feathers.............
http://mag.gpweek.com/

Ha ha, I thought you might mention this, I was going to PM you! I see a battle between JT & the teams - could be 'fun'.

I know were he's coming from, but not every event should be the same. What's wrong with a mix including 2 day sprint events, and 4-5 day endurance events?

[MJW]

Ha ha, I thought you might mention this, I was going to PM you! I see a battle between JT & the teams - could be 'fun'.

I know were he's coming from, but not every event should be the same. What's wrong with a mix including 2 day sprint events, and 4-5 day endurance events?
Just back from Finland.........hated the 2 day format!! absolutely shattered, and that was a common phrase used, and not inly by those of us of a certain age.

[pettersolberg29]

As AndyRAC says, there should be variety. Events like Spain, New Zealand etc. can use 2-day formats, while rallies like GB, Finland, Kenya if it returns and Sweden/Norway could host 5 day events. GB was great when it toured the whole country, while a trip from Sweden to Norway could allow a rally to last a whole week - nonstop. Maybe I'm just dreaming.

[Mirek]

New Zealand had over 400 km this year. I think that it's ok to have three days over such distance.

[pettersolberg29]

Yeah fine - just random examples. If it was up to me, NZ could last forever as its a great rally.

[MR666]

see page 47 for Jean Todt's blueprint for wrc event format's, should ruffle a few feathers.............
http://mag.gpweek.com/

As a spectator I would love to have things more like the old days, but I feel those days are gone.

[White Sauron]

Can you imagine crews making notes for 800 km of special stages??? Me - not. And how long will it take anyway? In that case Organisers will have to provide them with road books like in rally-raids, but this will only turn rallying into a kind of bajas...

[alexlake]

i kind of like the format now, as a spectator, it means not too much traveling and helps keep my costs down, as rally viewing is not cheap!

[Red bull]

http://www.f1zone.net/viewtopic.php?t=5765&p=168912 :s mokin:

[Carlo]

Can you imagine crews making notes for 800 km of special stages??? Me - not. And how long will it take anyway? In that case Organisers will have to provide them with road books like in rally-raids, but this will only turn rallying into a kind of bajas...

In the days of the 5 -6 day Rally of NZ used to do a two pass convoy tour of the locked forestry stages under the control of the organisers and everything else in our own time. Generally this was all completed during the 4 - 6 days prior to the event. You just had to be organised and prepared to get out of bed early so as to be at the start of the 1st stage of the day at first light and them work flat out until the last possible hour of daylight in the evening. The organisers provided a standard road book and a set of std rally maps.

I am also quite confident that most overseas teams had a crew who came out early to check conditions and to make all their local logistical arrangements and that they had people with them who prepared the initial copies of the stage notes and that the competing crews just checked and adjusted these during the recce period and perhaps only wrote their own notes during the convoy tour of the locked forests.

It was quite common for teams to make copies of their notes and sell them off to those who did not undertake recce

[Carlo]

As a spectator I would love to have things more like the old days, but I feel those days are gone.

Not quite the current WRC but check out http://www.silverfernrally

[ProRally]

Saab thinking of coming back to WRC ?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85860

[AndyRAC]

Saab thinking of coming back to WRC ?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85860

Interesting, I suppose PG, Sandell, Flodin would be possible drivers?? Or Blomqvist, Eklund...... ;)

[Josti]

Maybe something to take serious. I know that Victor Muller, owner of Spyker, is an avid motorsport fan who sees big marketing possibility's for Saab, so rallying would be most logical.

[HaCo]

Also good to share a motor with Mini: less expensive!

[ProRally]

Also good to share a motor with Mini: less expensive!

And that same engine is used in WTCC by BMW so the global engine does take off.... :D :D

[alleskids]

The bosses of Spyker have a lot of fantasises, which are not always realistic, so I would not read to much in the Saab WRCar.

[sal]

see page 47 for Jean Todt's blueprint for wrc event format's, should ruffle a few feathers.............
http://mag.gpweek.com/


Jean should get himself up to the North of England in November for the RAC Rally.....

[pettersolberg29]

Saab in the WRC would be fantastic. VW would be even better. Either way, the WRC looks to be getting better rather than worse.

[eloyf1]

Dani Sordo has confirmed today the persistent rumours about a co-driver change. Diego Vallejo (reigning Spanish asphalt champion) will replace Marc Martí...

[MJW]

Dani Sordo has confirmed today the persistent rumours about a co-driver change. Diego Vallejo (reigning Spanish asphalt champion) will replace Marc Martí...
I heared Citroen wanted Marc Marti out since Sweden.

[pettersolberg29]

Really? I have to admit surprise that Marti is gone. Why did Citroen want rid of him? Vallejo is a great replacement though.

[Juha_Koo]

Maybe Marc wasn't happy about their performance lately...? I guess it's the result of many things - no just a single cause.

[Mirek]

I heard about that some two months a go but I don't know real reason.

[pettersolberg29]

(Just off the Sordo/Marti story, autohebdo.fr are reporting that Mini have asked both Petter and Marcus to drive for them in 2011. This seems like a dream line-up for rally fans, however I can't imagine Petter putting up with a bad car at his stage in his career, which the Mini will probably be at first, and Marcus may not want a full time return. Would be brilliant if true though)

[eloyf1]

Their personal relationship wasn't great already months ago, but there have been quite a lot of misunderstandings leading to mistakes this year... Those rumours were there since Sweden's mistake (they forgot to open the cooling system), and have been increasing since, as Vallejo brothers were their ouvreurs.

[Xsara Fan]

(Just off the Sordo/Marti story, autohebdo.fr are reporting that Mini have asked both Petter and Marcus to drive for them in 2011. This seems like a dream line-up for rally fans, however I can't imagine Petter putting up with a bad car at his stage in his career, which the Mini will probably be at first, and Marcus may not want a full time return. Would be brilliant if true though)

It`s not true. Mini already choose 2 'young guns' (one of them - PG).

[Allar]

isnt one Ostberg? And i dont think Mini will be Bad car. coz Prodrive designed best parts and than choose best car for those parts.

[Tomi]

It`s not true. Mini already choose 2 'young guns' (one of them - PG).

not true that either.

[Viking]

It`s not true. Mini already choose 2 'young guns' (one of them - PG).

Juast wondering when you are a "young gun" and when you are not, PG is 30 years old, 31 next season.

From what I understand Østberg will test/help them develop the car later this year, maybe thats why they put him in the Stobart Fiesta S2000 also?

[Red bull]

Juast wondering when you are a "young gun" and when you are not, PG is 30 years old, 31 next season.

From what I understand Østberg will test/help them develop the car later this year, maybe thats why they put him in the Stobart Fiesta S2000 also?
Which means ford have plans for him to drive one of stobart fiesta along side mathew wilson. :confused:

[Red bull]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85860. i wonder which model saab will use :s mokin: :s mokin:

[Juha_Koo]

Interesting television news regarding Rally Catalunya...

Special stage live on TV-3

The new version of the rally schedule includes a change with regard to the original document in order to allow for the live broadcasting of the “Riudecanyes 2” stage. There will be a small regrouping in Les Borges del Campo before the special stage. The Sports Department of TV-3 and the RACC are working together in order to broadcast this 16.32-km stage live, on Saturday, from 16.30h, at the end of the second Day.
In order to make this broadcast possible, TV-3, RACC (organiser of the rally), North One (the company holding the rights of the WRC) and Ixtv (Spanish representative of North One) are putting the final touches to an agreement. With these joint efforts, TV-3 is preparing a complete programme of almost two hours, with a first part dedicated to the Friday and Saturday stages and a second part with the live broadcasted stage, including fix connection spots at the start and finish, live connections with the on-board cameras of the top ten cars, and tracking images provided by the RACC helicopter, as well as on-line timing.

[grugsticles]

Interesting television news regarding Rally Catalunya...

Special stage live on TV-3

The new version of the rally schedule includes a change with regard to the original document in order to allow for the live broadcasting of the “Riudecanyes 2” stage. There will be a small regrouping in Les Borges del Campo before the special stage. The Sports Department of TV-3 and the RACC are working together in order to broadcast this 16.32-km stage live, on Saturday, from 16.30h, at the end of the second Day.
In order to make this broadcast possible, TV-3, RACC (organiser of the rally), North One (the company holding the rights of the WRC) and Ixtv (Spanish representative of North One) are putting the final touches to an agreement. With these joint efforts, TV-3 is preparing a complete programme of almost two hours, with a first part dedicated to the Friday and Saturday stages and a second part with the live broadcasted stage, including fix connection spots at the start and finish, live connections with the on-board cameras of the top ten cars, and tracking images provided by the RACC helicopter, as well as on-line timing.
That is the direction that modern TV and internet coverage need to take IMO.
The concept of having an end of day wrap up is out dated, particularly with the lack of attraction the current WRC has.

[vkangas]

Interesting television news regarding Rally Catalunya...

Special stage live on TV-3

The new version of the rally schedule includes a change with regard to the original document in order to allow for the live broadcasting of the “Riudecanyes 2” stage. There will be a small regrouping in Les Borges del Campo before the special stage. The Sports Department of TV-3 and the RACC are working together in order to broadcast this 16.32-km stage live, on Saturday, from 16.30h, at the end of the second Day.
In order to make this broadcast possible, TV-3, RACC (organiser of the rally), North One (the company holding the rights of the WRC) and Ixtv (Spanish representative of North One) are putting the final touches to an agreement. With these joint efforts, TV-3 is preparing a complete programme of almost two hours, with a first part dedicated to the Friday and Saturday stages and a second part with the live broadcasted stage, including fix connection spots at the start and finish, live connections with the on-board cameras of the top ten cars, and tracking images provided by the RACC helicopter, as well as on-line timing.

This is not any different from for example Rally Finland if it's national. Does this North One deal mean that it would be broadcasted internationally?

[noel157]

(Just off the Sordo/Marti story, autohebdo.fr are reporting that Mini have asked both Petter and Marcus to drive for them in 2011. This seems like a dream line-up for rally fans, however I can't imagine Petter putting up with a bad car at his stage in his career, which the Mini will probably be at first, and Marcus may not want a full time return. Would be brilliant if true though)

Are you sure? Where is this in Autohebdo? Got a link? I certainly can't see it.

[pettersolberg29]

I saw it via a link from the Twitter bit on http://www.pettersolberg.com. Cannot find it anymore unfortunately. It's never going to happen though apprently.

[noel157]

Thanks, didn't think it was true.

[vkangas]

Has to be this:
http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/breve-26-1-9358/050810-marcus-gronholm-avec-mini-

With google translate I was able to understand that Prodrive is negotiation with 8 drivers and it's totally Autohebdo's own guessing what they are saying about Marcus and Petter... sitting here and guessing.. :)

[vino_93]

Has to be this:
http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/breve-26-1-9358/050810-marcus-gronholm-avec-mini-

With google translate I was able to understand that Prodrive is negotiation with 8 drivers and it's totally Autohebdo's own guessing what they are saying about Marcus and Petter... sitting here and guessing.. :)

In paper version, Autohebdo said 7 names : Gronholm, Solberg, Ostberg, Nikara, Anderson, Meeke and Atkinson.

[Xsara Fan]

In paper version, Autohebdo said 7 names : Gronholm, Solberg, Ostberg, Nikara, Anderson, Meeke and Atkinson.

They forgot at least one name.

[vino_93]

They forgot at least one name.
Yes, they don't know who he is ;)

I hope Matti Rantanen, but ... :(

[jbmarcus21]

They forgot at least one name.

Neuville not ?

[fastboy]

They forgot at least one name.

Novikov ?

[Tomi]

Novikov ?

lol, good one

[RICARDO75]

Novikov for crash test :)

[Mirek]

For test flights :)

[Roy]

GerarldQuinn tweets:

FIA just announces open tyres for the 2011 WRC season.

It's going to be an expensive season me thinks!
Additional testing of tyres from all suppliers in all compounds in differing conditions. Thats a lot of testing.


http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn

[N.O.T]

GerarldQuinn tweets:

FIA just announces open tyres for the 2011 WRC season.

It's going to be an expensive season me thinks!
Additional testing of tyres from all suppliers in all compounds in differing conditions. Thats a lot of testing.


http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn

no..

maybe 1-2 more tests per season so not that much of a financial difference.

[Mirek]

GerarldQuinn tweets:

FIA just announces open tyres for the 2011 WRC season.

It's going to be an expensive season me thinks!
Additional testing of tyres from all suppliers in all compounds in differing conditions. Thats a lot of testing.


http://twitter.com/WRCgerardquinn

It's not completely opened competition. FIA meant it as controlled tyres but with more suppliers. There should still be same number of available compounds and threads for each surface from each tyre maker. That's how I understand that.