Rally History (part III)

[PuddleJumper]

Please continue the rally history discussion here.

Previous thread:
Rally History (part II) (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112605)

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[dario]

Can someone help me , j would like to know the results of :
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1963 5° to 10°
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1967 4° to 20 °
Spanish 1966 all the result ( R.A.C.E .)
Spanish 1967 10° to 14° ( R.A.C.E. )
Acropolis 1976 11° to 20°
Acropolis 1979 14° to 18°

Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Dario

[Carles Bosch 02]

Can someone help me , j would like to know the results of :
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1963 5° to 10°
Lyon-Charbonnieres 1967 4° to 20 °
Spanish 1966 all the result ( R.A.C.E .)
Spanish 1967 10° to 14° ( R.A.C.E. )
Acropolis 1976 11° to 20°
Acropolis 1979 14° to 18°

Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Dario


Dario, here you'll find what I can add.


'67 Charbonnières (4th to 10th):

4th, Jean-Pierre Gaban & Jean-Marie Jacquemin, Porsche 911S
5th, Bob Neyret & Jacques Terramorsi, Citroën DS 21
6th, Jean-Claude Ogier & Lucette Pointet, Citroën DS 21
7th, René Trautmann & Philippe Leyssieux, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF
8th, Patrick Lier & Silvio Vaglio, Sunbeam Imp
9th, Fernand Schligler & Georges Couzian, Renault 8 Gordini
10th, Sylvain Garant & Branco Stoikovitch, Porsche 911


'67 RACE (10th):

10th, Henri Gréder & Marie-Claude Beaumont, Opel Commodore GS


'79 Acropolis (14th & 15th)

14th, Ohu & Diener, Lada 1600, 17h37'17"
15th, Gemenis & El Nak, Datsun 1600 SSS, 17h5012"


Carles.

[dario]

Dario, here you'll find what I can add.


'67 Charbonnières (4th to 10th):

4th, Jean-Pierre Gaban & Jean-Marie Jacquemin, Porsche 911S
5th, Bob Neyret & Jacques Terramorsi, Citroën DS 21
6th, Jean-Claude Ogier & Lucette Pointet, Citroën DS 21
7th, René Trautmann & Philippe Leyssieux, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF
8th, Patrick Lier & Silvio Vaglio, Sunbeam Imp
9th, Fernand Schligler & Georges Couzian, Renault 8 Gordini
10th, Sylvain Garant & Branco Stoikovitch, Porsche 911


'67 RACE (10th):

10th, Henri Gréder & Marie-Claude Beaumont, Opel Commodore GS


'79 Acropolis (14th & 15th)

14th, Ohu & Diener, Lada 1600, 17h37'17"
15th, Gemenis & El Nak, Datsun 1600 SSS, 17h5012"


Carles.

Thanks very much Carles , j have a little question about Acropolis 79 , j have 13° Gemenis 12° A. Jaroszewicz and 11° J. Sedivy, but if is wrong , who is 13° for You ?
Best regards
Dario

[Carles Bosch 02]

Thanks very much Carles , j have a little question about Acropolis 79 , j have 13° Gemenis 12° A. Jaroszewicz and 11° J. Sedivy, but if is wrong , who is 13° for You ?
Best regards
Dario

Here you are the rally classification, according to "sport-auto", july '79:


http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5892/sinttuloescaneado15rx5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Carles.

[januszsz]

Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th
1972 - 4th-10th
1973 - 2nd-10th
1974 - 4th-10th
1975 - 6th-10th
1976 - 4th-10th

Akropolis 76:
11. Trautmann/Roch - Peugeot 504
12. Kerc/Serre - Peugeot 504 inj.
13. Pagani/Chatriot - Peugeot 504
14. Lekkas/Makrinos - Audi 80
15. Riper/Kaiser - Opel Kadett GT/E
16. Culmbacher/Weitz - Wartburg 353

Regards
januszsz

[dario]

Here you are the rally classification, according to "sport-auto", july '79:

Thanks very much Carles
Best regards Dario

[dario]

Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th
1972 - 4th-10th
1973 - 2nd-10th
1974 - 4th-10th
1975 - 6th-10th
1976 - 4th-10th

Akropolis 76:
11. Trautmann/Roch - Peugeot 504
12. Kerc/Serre - Peugeot 504 inj.
13. Pagani/Chatriot - Peugeot 504
14. Lekkas/Makrinos - Audi 80
15. Riper/Kaiser - Opel Kadett GT/E
16. Culmbacher/Weitz - Wartburg 353

Regards
januszsz

Thanks very much Januszsz , little question , Trautmann is Renè o Claudine Bouchet Trautmann ?
Best regards
Dario

[januszsz]

Thanks very much Januszsz , little question , Trautmann is Renè o Claudine Bouchet Trautmann ?
Best regards
Dario
It was Claudine.
And one more question on RACE rallies:
in 1978 there were two co-drivers named Sabater classified in top 10. One was paired with Fernandez and the other one with Servia. What were the first names of them?
Regards
januszsz

[dario]

It was Claudine.
And one more question on RACE rallies:
in 1978 there were two co-drivers named Sabater classified in top 10. One was paired with Fernandez and the other one with Servia. What were the first names of them?
Regards
januszsz

J have :
Benny Fernandez - Victor Sabater and
Salvador Servia - Jorge Sabater

Regards Dario

[dario]

Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th
1972 - 4th-10th
1973 - 2nd-10th
1974 - 4th-10th
1975 - 6th-10th
1976 - 4th-10th


Regards
januszsz

1976
4° F.Lezema - Abana Ford Escort RS1800 3.38'02 "
5° S. Canellas - Ferrater Seat 1430-1800 3.41'12"
6° Bonet - Arnelia Ford Escort RS 1800 3.44'23"
7° Arroitia - Predera Opel Kadett GT/E 3.53'08"
8° G. Ortiz - Cabal Simca 1200 3.54'00"
9° C.Torres - Pina De Morais Mazda RX3 4.03'07"
10° Echave - Uriarte Simca 1200 4.04'16"

Regards
Dario

[dario]

[quote="januszsz"]Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th j have nothing
1972 -
4° Gargallo - Ramon Porsche 911
5° Beaumont -Giganot Opel Commodore
6° M. Sainz -Onoro Alpine A110
1973 - 2nd-10th nothing
1974 - 4th-10th nothing
1975
6° Trabado - Serrano Seat 1430 a 16'32"
7° G.Ortiz - Cabal Simca 1200 a 17'57"
8° Arrota - Pradera Opel 18'53"

J have only this , j am sorry
Best regards
Dario

[januszsz]

1976
4° F.Lezema - Abana Ford Escort RS1800 3.38'02 "
5° S. Canellas - Ferrater Seat 1430-1800 3.41'12"
6° Bonet - Arnelia Ford Escort RS 1800 3.44'23"
7° Arroitia - Predera Opel Kadett GT/E 3.53'08"
8° G. Ortiz - Cabal Simca 1200 3.54'00"
9° C.Torres - Pina De Morais Mazda RX3 4.03'07"
10° Echave - Uriarte Simca 1200 4.04'16"

Regards
Dario

Thank you very much Dario.
May you let me know times of 1-3rd (1976) as well as times of 1-5th (1975).
Regards
januszsz

[DIMI44]

Can someone help me , j would like to know the results of :
Acropolis 1976 11° to 20°


According to a Greek auto magazine ( 4 TROXOI):

10.(car No 86) H.NIEBERGALL - B.FROMANN Wartburg 353 10.57.44
11.(52) H. TRAUTMANN- S.ROSS Peugeot 504 10.58.34
12.(107) A. KERC- F.SERRE Peugeot 504Ti 10.58.54
13.(109) P.PAGANI-FR.CHATRIOT Peugeot 504 11.02.20
14.(120) J.LEKKAS - EM. MAKRINOS Audi 80GT 11.04.42
15.(102) K. RIPPER - M.KAISER Opel Kadett GTE 11.05.41
16.(143) E.CULMBACHER - R.WEITZ Wartburg 353 11.07.55
17.(101) M. MOSCHOUS - "IKAROS" Alfa Romeo Alfetta 11.24.20
18.(48) D.SPANOS - E. GALLO BMW 2002 TI 11.24.53
19.( 139) P.LAPIE - M.GERTON Citroen GSX2 11.25.13
20.(60) K.KYPRIANOU - A.LONGINOS Hillman Avenger 11.25.41

[dario]

Thank you very much Dario.
May you let me know times of 1-3rd (1976) as well as times of 1-5th (1975).
Regards
januszsz

j have not the time of the 1 ° 1975
2 ° + 4 ' 06 "
3° + 7 ' 30 "
4° + 8 ' 47"
5° + 13 ' 32 "

1976
1° De Bagration 3 . 25 ' 43 "
2° Darniche 3 . 28 ' 29 "
3° Zanini 3 . 37 ' 24 "
Best Regards

Dario

[dario]

According to a Greek auto magazine ( 4 TROXOI):

10.(car No 86) H.NIEBERGALL - B.FROMANN Wartburg 353 10.57.44
11.(52) H. TRAUTMANN- S.ROSS Peugeot 504 10.58.34
12.(107) A. KERC- F.SERRE Peugeot 504Ti 10.58.54
13.(109) P.PAGANI-FR.CHATRIOT Peugeot 504 11.02.20
14.(120) J.LEKKAS - EM. MAKRINOS Audi 80GT 11.04.42
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Thanks Very Much DIMI44

Can you help me for other results of old Acropolis ?
Thanks in advance
Dario

[DIMI44]

Can someone help me , j would like to know the results of :Acropolis 1979 14° to 18

...........................
16) HIBURGER - WEITZ VARTBURG 353 WR 17.53.33
17) PROTOPAPPAS - " ISAVROS" DATSUN 160J VIOLET 18.02.50
18) PANOURGIAS - HAIMANIS RENAULT 18TL 18.11.25


(4 TROXOI magazine No 106,July 1979)

[DIMI44]

We will see !!!!

[DIMI44]

Thanks Very Much DIMI44

Can you help me for other results of old Acropolis ?
Thanks in advance
Dario

If it is after 1979............ ;)

Before 1979 I have not many documents.

[januszsz]

...........................
16) HIBURGER - WEITZ VARTBURG 353 WR 17.53.33
17) PROTOPAPPAS - " ISAVROS" DATSUN 160J VIOLET 18.02.50
18) PANOURGIAS - HAIMANIS RENAULT 18TL 18.11.25


(4 TROXOI magazine No 106,July 1979)

16th should be Heimburger (there above is a spell mistake) and in 1976 co-driver in 11th was Serge Roch not Ross.
I have Claudine Trautmann in 11th (1976) and Dimi44 suggest it was Henri. Anybody can solve the problem?
By the way Dimi are you able to add some Greek first names? Do you have entry or starting lists?
Regards
januszsz

[dario]

If it is after 1979............ ;)

Before 1979 I have not many documents.

j hope yes . this is my questions :
1985 16° - 20°
1982 17° - 20°
1981 19° - 20°
1980 18° - 20°
1975 14° - 17°
1960 15° - 20°
1958 16° - 20°
Very thanks anyway
Best regards
Dario

[Carles Bosch 02]

Hello everybody after the long pause.
I am looking for several RACE results:
1965 - 6th-10th
1972 - 4th-10th
1973 - 2nd-10th
1974 - 4th-10th
1975 - 6th-10th
1976 - 4th-10th

Akropolis 76:
11. Trautmann/Roch - Peugeot 504
12. Kerc/Serre - Peugeot 504 inj.
13. Pagani/Chatriot - Peugeot 504
14. Lekkas/Makrinos - Audi 80
15. Riper/Kaiser - Opel Kadett GT/E
16. Culmbacher/Weitz - Wartburg 353

Regards
januszsz



'72 Rallye España (4th to 10th):

4th, Julio Gargallo & Jaime Ramón, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 2h48'30"8
5th, Marie-Claude Beaumont & Christine Giganot, Opel Commodore GS, Group 2, 2h48'49"0 (1st Group 2, Coupe des Dames)
6th, Lucas Sáinz & Juan Carlos Oñoro, Renault 8, Group 5, 2h5'54"6
7th, Marianne Hoepfner & Yveline Vanoni, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S, Group 4, 2h52'28"6 (1st Group 4)
8th, Jean-Louis Clarr & Pierre Thimonier, Opel Ascona SR, Group 1, 2h56'28"5 (1st Group 1)
9th, Luis Neto & "Jocames" (João Canas), Fiat 125 Special, Group 2, 2h57'07"8
10th, Wiklund & Wiklund, BMW 2002, Group 2, 2h58'44"2


'73 Rallye España (2nd to 10th):

2nd, Estanislao & Antonio Reverter, Alpine Porsche A110, Group 5, 10.277'5 pts
3rd, Claude Haldi & Federico van der Hoeven, Porsche 911 Carrera RS, Group 3, 10.293'5 pts (1st Group 3)
4th, Marc & Marie-Christine Etchebers, Porsche 911, Group 5, 10.300'5 pts
5th, Antonio Zanini & Jordi? Sabater, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 10.642'6 pts (1st Group 2)
6th, Juan Carlos Pradera & Alfonso? Comyn, Seat 124, Group 5, 10.798'8 pts
7th, "Crady" (Juan Gemar) & Fernández, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 11.246'5 pts
8th, "Squalo Rivero" & Goyanes, BMW 2002 ti, Group 1, 11.947'9 pts (1st Group 1)
9th, "Gekados" & Gascó, Seat 1430, Group 2, 12.253'5 pts
10th, Valero & M.? Alonso, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 12.329'2 pts


Carles.

[Carles Bosch 02]

J have :
Benny Fernandez - Victor Sabater and
Salvador Servia - Jorge Sabater

Regards Dario

Only for precission, Benigno (real first name) Fernández was known as Beny, not Benny.

On the Sabater question, both were, incidentally, brothers: Víctor the younger & Jordi (catalan) or Jorge (spanish), the older.


Carles.

[januszsz]

'72 Rallye España (4th to 10th):

4th, Julio Gargallo & Jaime Ramón, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 2h48'30"8
5th, Marie-Claude Beaumont & Christine Giganot, Opel Commodore GS, Group 2, 2h48'49"0 (1st Group 2, Coupe des Dames)
6th, Lucas Sáinz & Juan Carlos Oñoro, Renault 8, Group 5, 2h5'54"6
7th, Marianne Hoepfner & Yveline Vanoni, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S, Group 4, 2h52'28"6 (1st Group 4)
8th, Jean-Louis Clarr & Pierre Thimonier, Opel Ascona SR, Group 1, 2h56'28"5 (1st Group 1)
9th, Luis Neto & "Jocames" (João Canas), Fiat 125 Special, Group 2, 2h57'07"8
10th, Wiklund & Wiklund, BMW 2002, Group 2, 2h58'44"2


'73 Rallye España (2nd to 10th):

2nd, Estanislao & Antonio Reverter, Alpine Porsche A110, Group 5, 10.277'5 pts
3rd, Claude Haldi & Federico van der Hoeven, Porsche 911 Carrera RS, Group 3, 10.293'5 pts (1st Group 3)
4th, Marc & Marie-Christine Etchebers, Porsche 911, Group 5, 10.300'5 pts
5th, Antonio Zanini & Jordi? Sabater, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 10.642'6 pts (1st Group 2)
6th, Juan Carlos Pradera & Alfonso? Comyn, Seat 124, Group 5, 10.798'8 pts
7th, "Crady" (Juan Gemar) & Fernández, VW-Porsche 914-6, Group 5, 11.246'5 pts
8th, "Squalo Rivero" & Goyanes, BMW 2002 ti, Group 1, 11.947'9 pts (1st Group 1)
9th, "Gekados" & Gascó, Seat 1430, Group 2, 12.253'5 pts
10th, Valero & M.? Alonso, Seat 1430 Especial 1600, Group 2, 12.329'2 pts
Carles.
Thank you Carles,
Would you add time and car's group of the RACE'73 winner as well as times and car's groups of top 3 for RACE'72?
In 1972 10th was Finland's Johan Wiklund, sorry I don't know first name of his co-driver.
I have still some more questions on Spanish ERC rounds. I'll prepare them soon.
Regards
janusz

[januszsz]

j hope yes . this is my questions :
1985 16° - 20°
1982 17° - 20°
1981 19° - 20°
1980 18° - 20°
1975 14° - 17°
1960 15° - 20°
1958 16° - 20°
Very thanks anyway
Best regards
Dario
Akropolis 1958:
16. Paul Guiraud / Alain Bertaut -F- Peugeot 403
17. "Sim" / "XK" -?- Jaguar
18. Dr Joachim Kühling / Kurt Schöttler -D- Borgward Isabella
19. Minaidis / Apergis -GR- DKW
20. Nikolopoulos / Kaloudis -GR- Alfa Romeo Junior
Akropolis 1960:
15. Ewy Rosqvist / Anita Rosqvist -S- Volvo PV 544
16. John Milne / Bill Bradley -GB- Austin Seven
17. Giorgos Raptopoulos / Kirlagitsis -GR- DKW
18. "Ion" / "Monza" -GR- Panhard Dyna
19. J.Suma / P.Gianikostas -GR- MG A
20. Lazaridis / H.Liberopoulos -GR- Auto Union 1000 S
I'll check if I can add something for 80's.
Regards
januszsz

[januszsz]

I am looking for following results:

Costa Brava
'74 3rd-10th
'75 6th-10th
'76 2nd-10th
'77 2nd-10th

Firestone
'74 3rd-10th
'75 4th-10th
'76 5th-10th
'77 6th-10th

Regards
januszsz

[jirka rk]

Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :

Costa Brava
'74 3rd-10th
3.Cortes / Mira E Datsun 1200
4.Cid / Manté E Seat 1430
5.Borges / Morais P Renault Alpine A110
6."Jean Claude" / Sallen F Seat 1430

'75 6th-10th
6. Serra / Mor E Seat 1430
7. Galo / Graforte E Alfa Romeo GTV
8. Regis / Gardelles Opel Ascona
9. Jordi / Monforts Seat 1430
10. Oldina / Malgatan Seat 1430

'76 2nd-10th
1. A.Zanini / J.Petisco E Seat 1430
2. S.Servia / J.Sabater E Seat 1430
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS
4. A.Borges / A.Morais P Porsche Carerra
5. Serra / Vizern Seat 1430
6. Werner Schweizer/Bernd Ostmann D Opel Kadett GT/E
7. Caba / Aymand Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
8. Bohigas / Navarro E Seat 1430
9. Bonet / Lledo E Seat 1430
10. Candela / Prat E Seat 1430

'77 2nd-10th
2. J.de Bagration / M. Barbeito E Lancia Stratos HF
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS
4. Roothaert / „Vaillant” B Opel Kadett GT/E
5. J.M.Fernandez / Cortel E Porsche Carrera
6. H.W.Schewe / G.Dederisch D Porsche Carrera

Firestone
'74 3rd-10th
3. Pradera / Comyn P Seat 1430
4. Reverter / Reverter E BMW
5. Paul Faulkner / Mike Broad E Ford Escort RS 1600
6. Billy Coleman / o' Sullivan IRL Ford Escort RS 1600
7. Julio Gargallo Alfa Romeo GTA
9. P.Ch. Olsen BMW 2002

'75 4th-10th
4. Marc Etchebers / Etschebers E BMW 2002
5. Sunsundegui / Larinaga E Renault Alpine A110
6. Andrzej Jaroszewicz / Vojtina PL Fiat 124 Abarth
8. Stawowiak PL Fiat 125 p

'76 5th-10th
5. Beny Fernandez E BMW 2002
6. Kevin Videan Datsun 240 Z
7. Colin Grewer Opel Ascona
8. W. Schweizer Opel Kadett GT/E
9. J. Zorilla Simca 1000 Rally II
10. G. O’Shea Simca 1000 Rally II

'77 6th-10th
6. Oliveras / Brugada Ford Escort RS 1800
9. B.Krupa / P.Mystkowski PL Renault 5 Alpine

[jirka rk]

Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?

1979 - 16th to 26th
1982 - 16th to 27th
1983 - 16th to 36th
1984 - 12th to 35th
1986 - 21st to 38th

Thanks Jirka rk

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :

Costa Brava 14 - 16 February 1974

1° C. Haldi / Hoeven Porsche Carrera 15828
2° JC.Pradera / Comyn Seat 1430 16805
3° .Cortes / Mira E Datsun 1200 16989
4° .Cid / Manté E Seat 1430 17147
5° .Borges / Morais P Renault Alpine A110 17516
6° "Jean Claude" / Sallen F Seat 1430 17704
7° Folgade / Dalmas Renault 12 G 17919
8° Borau / Villa Seat 1430 18043
9° F. Tarras / Vinyes Seat 1430 18114
10° Marco / Vingislau BMW 2002 18186

Ritired:
B. Fernandez ( Alpine 110 ) - R. Pinto/A. Bernacchini ( Fiat 124 Spider ) -A. Zanini ( Seat 1430 ) - M. Pregliasco / Garzoglip( Lancia HF ) -

Thanks Very Much for the Acropolis !
Best Regards Dario

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Hello januszsz,
there are results I have :

Costa Brava
'77 2nd-10th
1. B. Fernandez / N. Dural Ford Escort RS1.8 12685
2. J.de Bagration / M. Barbeito Lancia Stratos HF 12894
3. F.Lezama / J.Arnaix P Ford Escort RS 1.8 13033
4. F.Roothaert / „Vaillant Opel Kadett GT/E 13034
5. J.M.Fernandez / Cortel Porsche Carrera 13100
6. H.W.Schewe / G.Dederisch Porsche Carrera 13146
7. Caba / Armani Porsche Carrera 13212
8. JS. Coulomieres / Bondet Opel Kadett GT/E 13303
9. Bonnet / Arnella Ford Escort RS 13309
10. A. Ferjancz / Iriczalvi Remault R8 G 13900

Regards

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?

1979 -
16° Fragale / Fornengo Fiat 127 Sport
17° Pisi / De Fabritis Fiat 127 Sport
18° Garin / Motroni Vw Golf GTi
19° Incudine / Barberis Opel Kadett GT/E
20° Peyrani / Bracotti Peugeot 104 ZS
21° Martino / Turco Fiat Ritmo 130
22° Maselli / Zagoreo Opel Kadett GT/E
23° Campanelli / Baòestra Citroen GS

1982 -
16° Pittoni / Dominioni Peugeot 505 T
17° Caravelli / Vallaghè Peugeot 104
18° Malacarne / Pastorino Fiat 127 Sport
19° Martino / Martino Vw Golf Diesel
20° Biamonti / Barberis Sunbeam Talbot
21° Balestra / Rapetti Fiat 127 Sport
22° Bellina / Mattei VW Golf Diesel
23° Rossi / Rovetta Autobianchi A 112
24° Alberti / Incardona Alfasud Ti
25° Rovelli / Amati VW Golf Diesel
26° Garibaldi / Castillet Fiat 127 Sport
27° Galliano / Biondi Fiat Panda 30

Regards dario

[DIMI44]

By the way Dimi are you able to add some Greek first names? Do you have entry or starting lists?
Regards
januszsz

I have one entry list for 1976.(It is a little dirty because I used in the ss!!!)
If you have a fax I can send you.

(apologise for my very poor English).

About Greek first names.Ooohhh...If I know the man,ok.

[januszsz]

I have one entry list for 1976.(It is a little dirty because I used in the ss!!!)
If you have a fax I can send you.

(apologise for my very poor English).

About Greek first names.Ooohhh...If I know the man,ok.
OK, great! I am interested in the entry list of Akropolis '76. I'll send you my fax number on Private Message.
Regards
januszsz

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Hi,
does somobody have old results of Rallye Sanremo?

1983 -
16° S. Fabbri / Cecchini Fiat Ritmo
17° Bono / Angeli Opel Manta
18° " Tchine " / " Tin Tin " Opel Manta
19° C. Dorche / Morin Citroen Visa
20° Porcellana / Milano Fiat Ritmo
21° Ricci / Montagna Opel Kadett GT/E
22° Bozzo / Turco Ford Escort XR3
23° Malacarne / De Vincenzi Fiat 127 Sport
24° Biamonti / Tomagnini Opel Ascona
25° Ameglio / Saglietto Peugeot 104 ZS
26° Martino / Martino Vw Golf GTi
27° Pisi / D'Orsi Fiat 127 Sport
28° Ferraro / Durantini Autobianchi A 112
29° Meylan / Cartier Datsun Violet
30° Blanchi / Perruchetti Citroen Visa
31° D'amico / Greco Ford Escort XR3
32° Rocchieri / Abate Alfasud Ti
33° Barbarigo / Cerretti Fiat Panda 45
34° Gracci / Montagnani Simca Rally
35° Pacella / De Marco Autobianchi A112
36° Polato / Bacco Fiat X 1/9

1984 -
12° Fabbri / Bosco Fiat 130 Ritmo
13° Cravero / Mandrile Opel Manta GT/E
14° Chiti / Boretti Fiat Ritno 130
15° Francia / Dotti Opel Manta GT/E
16° Porcellana / Riccardi Fiat 130 Ritmo
17° Meylan / Bertozzi Nissan 240 RS
18° Ricci / Montagna Opel Kadett GT/E
19° Alberi / Milano Citroen Visa Chrono
20° Bozzo / Fernando Fiat 130 Ritmo
21° Becucci / Bottai Fiat 130 Ritmo
22° Martini / Martino Ford Escort XR3
23° Fantei / Moggia alfasud Ti
24° Peuplier / Sauce VW Golf GTi
25° Biamonti / Tomagnini Ford Esort Rs
26° Benza / Segati Ford Escort XR3
27° Bianchi / Perucchetti Citroen VIsa
28° Vincenzi / Rabellino Opel Corsa
29° Bianchi / Soma Opel Manta GT/E
30° Bravata / Barbieri Fiat 127 Sport
31° Guglielmi / Salvini Talbot Samba Rally
32° Rossi / Berninsone Ford Escort XR 3
33° Ferrando / Giotti Fiat 127 Sport
34° Elena / Stuani Alfasud Ti
35° De Sanctis / Leva Autobianchi A 112

1986 -
21° Sontheimer / Sontheimer Toyota Corolla
22° Maier / Bosì Ford Capri
23° Della Colletta / Galli Opel Kadett GT/E
24° Peuplier / Denkin VW Golf GTi
25° Malbert / Billard Audi 80 Quattro
26° Bracotti / Venturiello Peugeot 205 GTi
27° Texier / Taveneau Mercedes 190
28° Ameglio / Stuani Fiat 127 Sport
29° Klein / Deubel Toyota Corolla
30° Struyf / Ambroggi Citroen Visa
31° Saly / Casini VW Golf GTi
32° De Marion / Derreunaux Talbot Samba
33° Cravino ( Ferrando Fiat 127 Sport
34° Dollà / Nuvoli Autobianchi A 112
35° Cataldo / Bianceri Alfetta GTV
36° Mascagni / Mandarini Fiat Uno SX
37° Hugla / Mabit Mitsubishi Lancer

Best Regards
Dario

[DIMI44]

22nd Rally Acropolis 1975
14. Andreas PAPATRIANTAFILLOU - Emmanouil HALIVELAKIS Toyota Corolla 13.53.26
15.E. MAKRIDAKIS- I.OURANOS Opel Kadett 14.22.57
16.Georgios RAPTOPOULOS - KORRES Austin Allegro 1300 14.28.10
17. "DINO' - N.PAPANDREOU Opel Ascona 14.38.7

Rgds
Dimitris

[DIMI44]

27th Acropolis Rally 1980

18.( car No 58) CL. LAURENT - J.MARCHE Peugeot 551 A16* 15.27.34
19.(78) Manolis (or Emmanouill) HALIVELAKIS - Costas EXARHOS Toyota Corolla 15.44.31
20.(86)Pavlos MOSHOUTIS - H. LIONIS Ford Escort RS 15.49.25

* as is written on starting list,on other papers " Peugeot 505"

Rgds
Dimitris

[DIMI44]

28th Rally Acropolis 1981

19. Costas LABROPOULOS -Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Corolla 18.37.34
20. G.LOUKAS- S.BELLAS Toyota Corolla 18.41.04


29th Acropolis Rally 1982

17. George RAFTOPOULOS - ' JIGGER" Porsche 911
18.M.VLACHOS - N. THEOFILOPOULOS Ford Escort RS
19. C.MONCHMEYER - J. JAHNS Toyota Starlet
20.G. LOUKAS - Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Starlet

Rgds
Dimitris

[dario]

28th Rally Acropolis 1981

19. Costas LABROPOULOS -Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Corolla 18.37.34
20. G.LOUKAS- S.BELLAS Toyota Corolla 18.41.04


29th Acropolis Rally 1982

17. George RAFTOPOULOS - ' JIGGER" Porsche 911
18.M.VLACHOS - N. THEOFILOPOULOS Ford Escort RS
19. C.MONCHMEYER - J. JAHNS Toyota Starlet
20.G. LOUKAS - Sotiris STELLIOS Toyota Starlet

Rgds
Dimitris

Thanks very much Dimitris
Best regards
Dario

[dario]

Akropolis 1958:
16. Paul Guiraud / Alain Bertaut -F- Peugeot 403
17. "Sim" / "XK" -?- Jaguar
18. Dr Joachim Kühling / Kurt Schöttler -D- Borgward Isabella
19. Minaidis / Apergis -GR- DKW
20. Nikolopoulos / Kaloudis -GR- Alfa Romeo Junior

januszsz

Sorry Januszsz , do you know also the results of Acropolis 1956 and 1957
11° to 20 ° ? and the best European drivers started ( but not arrived ) in the same years ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario

[dario]

[quote="januszsz"]I am looking for following results:

Firestone 1977
1° B.Darniche / A. Mahè Lancia Stratos 3.24'09"
2° B.Fernandez / Formoso Ford Escort RS 3.30'05"
3° JC.Predera / Pascual Alpine A110 3.37'40"
4° S. Servia / Brustenga Seat 1430 1.8 3.38'12"
5° J. Landsberg / Muszynsky Opel Kadett GT/E 3.41'45"
6° Olivares / Brugada Ford Escort RS 3.43'48"
7° Schweitzer / Ostemann Opel Kadett GT/E 3.51'32"
8° Salvi / Almeida Ford Escort RS 3.51'36"
9° B. Krupa / Mystkowski Renault 12 Gordini 3.51'50"
10° Arroita / Bans Opel Kadett GT/E 3.55'42"

Regards
Dario

[DIMI44]

H' Rally Acropolis 1960
15.E.ROSQWIST - ROSQWIST /Volvo
16.G.MILNE - PITTS /Austin
17. George RAPTOPOULOS -KYRLAGITSIS/ DKW
18." ION" - "MONZA" /Panhard
19.J.SUMMA - P. GIANNIKOSTAS/ MGA
20. LAZARIDES - Christos LYMPEROPOULOS / Auto Union

FROM "ACROPOLIS RALLY - 50 YEARS" BY N.S.Zalmas.
(in Greek only)

Rgds
Dimitris

[januszsz]

Sorry Januszsz , do you know also the results of Acropolis 1956 and 1957
11° to 20 ° ? and the best European drivers started ( but not arrived ) in the same years ?
Thanks in advance
Best regards
Dario
Many thanks for Spanish results. Here below are results of Akropolis 1956 and 1957
1956
11. Likouris / Terzakis -GR- Opel
12. Mlado Vukovic / Protic -YU- DKW
13. Mr. & Mrs. Briat -?- Lancia
14. Martignoni / Vanini -?- Alfa Romeo
15. Mr. & Mrs. Guerin -F?- Peugeot 203
16. Mr. & Mrs. Papamichel -GR- Simca
17. Barthelemy / Levresse -F?- Simca
18. Mr. & Mrs. Collange -?- Simca
19. Wendker / Westerholt -D- Borgward
20. Ruprecht Hopfen / Badoche -D/?- DKW
1957
11. Ruprecht Hopfen / Binkemer -D- Saab 93
12. Mlado Vukovic / ? -YU- DKW
13. N.Moschous / Kiriakou -GR- Alfa Romeo Junior
14. Johnny Pesmazoglou / Chronidis -GR- Chevrolet
15. Anastasopoulos / Liberopoulos -GR- DKW
16. Saliveros / Georgakos -GR- Chevrolet
17. Mr. & Mrs. Morel -F?- Denzes
18. Likouris / Vamvakjidis -GR- Opel Rekord
19. Bandounas / Liberopoulos -GR- DKW
20. Mr. & Mrs. Spiliotakis -GR- Alfa Romeo Junior
sorry, no info on other European drivers than those who finished
regards
januszsz

[dario]

[quote="januszsz"]Many thanks for Spanish results. Here below are results of Akropolis 1956 and 1957
1956
11. Likouris / Terzakis -GR- Opel
12. Mlado Vukovic / Protic -YU- DKW
13. Mr. & Mrs. Briat -?- Lancia
14. Martignoni / Vanini -?- Alfa Romeo
15. Mr. & Mrs. Guerin -F?- Peugeot 203
16. Mr. & Mrs. Papamichel -GR- Simca
17. Barthelemy / Levresse -F?- Simca
18. Mr. & Mrs. Collange -?- Simca
19. Wendker / Westerholt -D- Borgward
20. Ruprecht Hopfen / Badoche -D/?- DKW


Thanks very much Januszsz, but j have a problem in my results , j have ( but j don't sure )
1° W. Schock / Moll Mercedes
2° N. Filinis / N. Christopoulos DKW
3° R. Fabre / L. Redon Panhard
4° J. Pesmazoglou / C.Galanis Chevrolet
5° P. Guiraud / H. Beau Peugeot 203
6° G. Termentzis / B.Adossidou Renault
7° P.Chenevoy / J. Deguerce Porsche
8° D. Stavrianos / G. Margaritis Renault
9° C. Nicolopoulos / C. Eliopoulos Opel Rekord and
10°C. Lykorius 11° For you.

Where my results is wrong?

In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.

Best regards
Dario

[januszsz]

Many thanks for Spanish results. Here below are results of Akropolis 1956 and 1957
1956
11. Likouris / Terzakis -GR- Opel
12. Mlado Vukovic / Protic -YU- DKW
13. Mr. & Mrs. Briat -?- Lancia
14. Martignoni / Vanini -?- Alfa Romeo
15. Mr. & Mrs. Guerin -F?- Peugeot 203
16. Mr. & Mrs. Papamichel -GR- Simca
17. Barthelemy / Levresse -F?- Simca
18. Mr. & Mrs. Collange -?- Simca
19. Wendker / Westerholt -D- Borgward
20. Ruprecht Hopfen / Badoche -D/?- DKW


Thanks very much Januszsz, but j have a problem in my results , j have ( but j don't sure )
1° W. Schock / Moll Mercedes
2° N. Filinis / N. Christopoulos DKW
3° R. Fabre / L. Redon Panhard
4° J. Pesmazoglou / C.Galanis Chevrolet
5° P. Guiraud / H. Beau Peugeot 203
6° G. Termentzis / B.Adossidou Renault
7° P.Chenevoy / J. Deguerce Porsche
8° D. Stavrianos / G. Margaritis Renault
9° C. Nicolopoulos / C. Eliopoulos Opel Rekord and
10°C. Lykorius 11° For you.

Where my results is wrong?

In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.

Best regards
Dario
In my source (Acropolis Rally Golden Anniversary) 2nd is P.Papadopoulos / Politis -GR- MG A and it's the point.
Regards
januszsz

[jirka rk]

Thank you Dario,

your info was very welcome. Could you help me once more?

I would like to ask you if you have these results:
Sanremo 87 - 26th to 55th
Sanremo 88 - 32nd to 55th
Sanremo 89 - 16th to 34th
Sanremo 90 - 18th to 47th
Sanremo 91 - 25th to 40th

Thank you very much in advance.
Jirka rk

[januszsz]

Dario, do you have to share Sanremo '73 results 21st-54th (all classified crews)?
regards
januszsz

[Carles Bosch 02]

Thank you Carles,
Would you add time and car's group of the RACE'73 winner as well as times and car's groups of top 3 for RACE'72?
In 1972 10th was Finland's Johan Wiklund, sorry I don't know first name of his co-driver.
I have still some more questions on Spanish ERC rounds. I'll prepare them soon.
Regards
janusz


España '73:

1st, Jorge Bäbler & Ricardo Antolín, Seat 1430 Especial 1800, Group 5, 10.167,1 pts.


España '72:

1st, Salvador Cañellas & Daniel de Ferrater, Seat 124, Group 5, 2h43'35"8
2nd, Manuel Juncosa & José Mª Mónaco, Seat 1430, Group 5, 2h46'53"5
3rd, José Pavón & Ricard Antolín, Alpine-REnault A110 1600, Group 5, 2h47'14"2


Carles.

[januszsz]

España '73:

1st, Jorge Bäbler & Ricardo Antolín, Seat 1430 Especial 1800, Group 5, 10.167,1 pts.


España '72:
1st, Salvador Cañellas & Daniel de Ferrater, Seat 124, Group 5, 2h43'35"8
2nd, Manuel Juncosa & José Mª Mónaco, Seat 1430, Group 5, 2h46'53"5
3rd, José Pavón & Ricard Antolín, Alpine-REnault A110 1600, Group 5, 2h47'14"2
Carles.
Thank you Carles.
Are you able to share following results:
RACE'74 4th-10th
RACE'75 9th-10
Firestone'74 7th-10th
Firestone'75 9th-10 + co-driver in 7th (driver JC Pradera)
Firestone'76 co-drivers 5th-10th
What is the first name of certain Comyn (often co-driver to Pradera)?
Regards
januszsz

[DIMI44]

In my source (Acropolis Rally Golden Anniversary) 2nd is P.Papadopoulos / Politis -GR- MG A and it's the point.
Regards
januszsz

I have the same book (do you speak Greek Janus ? :) ) but on other book they have in a foto with prizes as second Filinis/Chrysikopoulos (car No 84)!!

Also they write that N. Papadopoulos/N. Politis debited with 169,3 points and from second they went to 27th place.

[dario]

Dario, do you have to share Sanremo '73 results 21st-54th (all classified crews)?
regards
januszsz
21° Sipahi / Sipahi BMW 2002 9.59'02"
22°Pianetta / Genino Opel Ascona 10.02'24"
23° Muscionico /Muscionico Lancia HF 10.14'34"
24° Carnino / Marenco Lancia HF 10.24'22"
25°JL. Barailler /Fayel Opel Ascona 10.24'32"
26° Ameglio / Bordero Renault R8 10.27'17"
27° Girola / Prato Ford Capri 1700 10.50'13"
28° " Iccudrac " / " Aldeg " Fiat 128C 10.57'37"
29° Pinato / Rossato Lancia HF 11.12'21"
30° Rossi / Dinasso Fiat 128 c 11.13'00"
31° Galletto / Torassa Fiat 128C 11.16'55"
32° Leporace / Massa Fiat 128 C 11.20'03"
33° Geninatti / Piacenza Autobianchi A112 11.43'37"
34° Fidale /Policchi Ford Escort RS 11.45'30"
35° Rigazzi / Forlani Fiat 128 Rally 12.12'47"
36° Mattio / Riolfo Fiat 128 C 12.16'45"
37° Morielli / Zamurrato Lancia HF 13.11'28"
38° A. Ballestrieri /S. Maiga Lancia HF 14.57'36"
39° F. Bacchelli / Rossetti Fiat 124 Spider 16.28'27"
40° Svizzero / Zanchetti Opel Ascona 16.29'20"
41° Chiappori / Rossi Fiat 128C 17.16'36"
42° R. Cambiaghi / " Rudy " Opel Ascona 17.33'48"
43° Lazzati / Migliorini Fiat 128 17.42'36"
44° Cirio / Bignoli Alfa Romeo GTV 18.45'12"
45° Bianchi / Cislaghi Fiat 124 Spider 19.31'11"
46° Brion / Stuani Fiat 128 C 20.04'01"
47° Carello / Baron Opel Ascona 21.14'26"
48° Quarciari / Di Muzio Fiat 128 C 21.37'00"
49° Bossetti / Maccarino Lancia HF 22.04'09"
50° Paletta / Raimondo Fiat 124 24.42'01"

Regards Dario

[dario]

I have the same book (do you speak Greek Janus ? :) ) but on other book they have in a foto with prizes as second Filinis/Chrysikopoulos (car No 84)!!

Also they write that N. Papadopoulos/N. Politis debited with 169,3 points and from second they went to 27th place.

Sorry DIMI44
My results is correct or wrong ? and do you know all classified of Acropolis 1956
from other book ? J hope yes .
Best regards
Dario

[DIMI44]

4th Acropolis Rally 1956

According to one of my sources as 20th is

TAK- ZELINGEN /DKW

The other one as 21st (trf to 20th !!! as previous post)there is

CUEZEE - PICARD / Jaguar

who in the other book is on 23rd place!!!

Please choose!!

[DIMI44]

Sorry DIMI44
My results is correct or wrong ? and do you know all classified of Acropolis 1956
from other book ? J hope yes .
Best regards
Dario

My opinion is that you are correct.

I know ALL but they are 63!!!! with my way of writing I will spend two days to write down all of them!!!

[dario]

My opinion is that you are correct.

I know ALL but they are 63!!!! with my way of writing I will spend two days to write down all of them!!!

Thanks DIMI44
I just want to know the position of Meyer ( DKW ) and if there are other famous drivers classified. you confirm 63 arrived ?

Best regards Dario

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Thank you Dario,

your info was very welcome. Could you help me once more?

I would like to ask you if you have these results:
Sanremo 87 -
26. P. Longhi / Leonardi Renault 5GT Turbo
27. Russolo / Grassi Vw Golf GTi
28. Crozet / Poettoz Peugeot 205 Gti
29. Schieritz / M. Eckardt Mercedes 190
30. Bini / Pellegrini Opel Manta GT/E
31. Tarantino / Colombo Peugeot 205 GTi
32. del Prete / Cianci Renault 5 GT Turbo
33. Majer / Tasca Peugeot 205 Gti
34. Melotto / Fresco Renault 5 GT Turbno
35. Tortolo / Pastorino Peugeot 205 Gti
36. "Mistral " / "TaiPan" Ford Sierra 4wd
37. Petazzoni / Cuppone Opel Kadett GSi
38. Brandagkia / Orengo Peugeot 309
39. Munaro 7 Ronchese Fiat uno turbo
40. Antoine / Jassaud Peugeot 305 GTi
41. Bravatà 7 Barbieri Peugeot 205 Gti
42. Calosso / Castore Opel Manta Gt/E
43. Sagnard / Muller Talbot Samba
44. Saly / Puli VW Golf GTi
45. Mascagni / Vanni Alfetta GTV
46. Ontano / Chiaro Opel Manta
47. Donati / Falcetti Lancia Delta 4WD
48. Goggia / Goggia Lancia Delta 4WD
49. Berisonzi / Bina Peugeot 205 GTi
50. Weber / Frignani Peugeot 205 GTi
51. Ameglio / Boggero Fiat 127 Sport
52. Zenesini / Turchi Peugeot 205 GTi
53. Guerreschi / Goffredi Opel Corsa
54. Cavallo / Maurizio Fiat Ritmo 130
55. Renzullo / Voersio Autobianchi A112

Regards
Dario

[Carles Bosch 02]

Thank you Carles.
Are you able to share following results:
RACE'74 4th-10th
RACE'75 9th-10
Firestone'74 7th-10th
Firestone'75 9th-10 + co-driver in 7th (driver JC Pradera)
Firestone'76 co-drivers 5th-10th
What is the first name of certain Comyn (often co-driver to Pradera)?
Regards
januszsz


I don't have here the spanish magazines for this period, only to 1973. As soon as I can I'll post here the results missing.

Comyn's first name, if my memory serves me right, is Alfonso.


Carles.

[januszsz]

I have the same book (do you speak Greek Janus ? :) ) but on other book they have in a foto with prizes as second Filinis/Chrysikopoulos (car No 84)!!

Also they write that N. Papadopoulos/N. Politis debited with 169,3 points and from second they went to 27th place.
No Dimi, I don't speak Greek. Simply I have a bilingual book: Greek and English, I got it from my Greek friend.
It is interesting who is right That anniversary book or that one another with the picture...
Regards
Janusz
Thank you dario for Sanremo.

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Thank you Dario,

your info was very welcome. Could you help me once more?

I would like to ask you if you have these results:

Sanremo 88 -
32. Giachello / Ponte Peugeot 205 GTi
33. Bianchi / Soma Peugeot 205 GTi
34. Conti / Imperio Peugeot 205 GTi
35. Pisi / Alberti Renault R5
36. Neyret / Cerboneschi Lancia delta
37. Bracotti / Forno Peugeot 205 GTi
38. Galli / Marangoni Lancia delta
39. Becucci / Fusi Alfa Romeo
40. Genend / Riviere Citroen AX Sport
41. Sagnard / Barbei Talbot Samba
42. Crovella / Battiato Peugeot 205 GTi
43. Sabella / Della Torre Renault R5
44. Crepaldi / Rossi Opel Corsa GTi
45. Caprè / Pialhoux Toyota Celica
46. Verdoia / Nolli BMW 323
47. Aveglio / Annibale A112
48. Bigoni / Bigoni Ford Escort RS
49. Pollero / De Castelli Peugeot 205 GTi
50. Dolla / Muvoli Peugeot 205 GTi
51. Fidanza / Frani Ford Sierra Cosworth
52. brondille / Le Coz Citroen AX Sport
53. Corti / Molteni Opel Manta GT/E
54. Gassarino / Saita A112
55. Thomas / Ronin Talbot Samba

Regards
Dario

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Thank you Dario,

your info was very welcome. Could you help me once more?

I would like to ask you if you have these results:

Sanremo 89 -
16. Ameglio / Marinotto Peugeot 205 GTi
17. Brunello / Veronese Peugeot 205 GTi
18. Ferrara / Valpreda Peugeot 205 GTi
19. Errani / Villa Lancia Delta Integrale
20. Giachello / Ponte Peugeot 205 GTi
21. Viotti / Mossino Opel Kadett GSi
22. Mariani / Fadini Mazda 323
23. Hunt / Samesi Peugeot 309 GTi
24. Margari / De Matteis Peugeot 205 GTi
25. Onoscuri / grandotti Peugeot 205 GTi
26. Lanteri / Lanteri Peugeot 205 GTi
27. Rizzi / Alberti Alfa Romeo 75
28. Castelli / Bina Lancia Delta Integrale
29. Caprè / Phialhoux Toyota Corolla
30. Beaudoin / Burlet Mazda 323
31. Bordignon / Tessarollo Opel Kadett GSi
32. Pritelli / Strocchi Peugeot 205 GTi
33. Mascagni / Pizzolato Renault 5GT Turbo
34. Caneschi / Sabatini A112

90 and 91 Tomorrow
Regards Dario

[dario]

In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.

1950 Sestriere 21- 22 January
Started 132 Arrived ? 2910 km
1° Emilio Christillin / Sandro Fiorio Lancia Aurelia GT
2° Emanuele Nasi / ? ? Fiat 1500 E
3° Emanuele Sartorio / ? ? Fiat 500 C
4° ? Ymot / ? ? Panhard Dyna
5° ? Locatelli / ? ? Studebacker
6° Ken Wharton / JJ. Langelaan Ford Pilot V8
7° ? ?
8° ? ?
9° ? ?
10° ? ? ecc...

1950 Middnight Sun 15-18 June
Started 126 Arrived 113
1° Carl Cederbaum / Bertil Sohlberg BMW 327/328
2° Thedde Svensson / Svante Tillberg HRG 1500
3° Joachim Fustenberg / ? ? Porsche 356 Coupè
4° Rolf Mellde / Ragnar Carlsson Saab 92 Sport
5° T. Nilsson / K. Andersson Citroen 11
6° N. Sagemen / O. Sagemen MGA 1100
7° E. Persson / J. Ericson Volvo PV 444
8° E. Jonsson / ? ? Fiat 1100 TV
9° Cecilia Koskull / Christina porsche 356 Coupè
10° Arne Hemmingsson / Carl Jacobsen Austin Healey
11° G. Handenberg / M. Fustenberg Porsche 356 Coupè
12° ? ?
13° ? ?
14° ? ?
15° ? ?
ecc......

My questions : is correct or wrong ? have you other information to add ?
Thanks in advance Regards
Dario

[DIMI44]

Thanks DIMI44
I just want to know the position of Meyer ( DKW ) and if there are other famous drivers classified. you confirm 63 arrived ?

Best regards Dario

About MEYER.
according to " GOLTEN ANNIVERSARY OF ACROPOLIS RALLY"
24.MEJER -FILIPPOU /DKW Sport

According to " 50 YEARS ACROPOLIS RALLY"
22.MEIDR - FILIPPOU / DKW

Both of then have 63 arrivals .

L. MATUSSIER
HAQUET
MALERIC
ZIMMER (!!? is "room" in german isn'it )
BEBIS
DOUTRE
KUHN
PRETRE
J.BAFFIE
J.LAMERIE
CARDANOT
P.COMINGEN
BICKNELL
HOCQUARD
BICHNELL
BOZIC

I dont know if someone of those drivers was famous in 1956.

[dario]

About MEYER.
according to " GOLTEN ANNIVERSARY OF ACROPOLIS RALLY"
24.MEJER -FILIPPOU /DKW Sport

According to " 50 YEARS ACROPOLIS RALLY"
22.MEIDR - FILIPPOU / DKW

Both of then have 63 arrivals .

L. MATUSSIER
HAQUET
MALERIC
ZIMMER (!!? is "room" in german isn'it )
BEBIS
DOUTRE
KUHN
PRETRE
J.BAFFIE
J.LAMERIE
CARDANOT
P.COMINGEN
BICKNELL
HOCQUARD
BICHNELL
BOZIC

I dont know if someone of those drivers was famous in 1956.

Ok Thanks very much DIMI
Best regards
Dario

[Carles Bosch 02]

In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.

1950 Sestriere 21- 22 January
Started 132 Arrived ? 2910 km
1° Emilio Christillin / Sandro Fiorio Lancia Aurelia GT
2° Emanuele Nasi / ? ? Fiat 1500 E
3° Emanuele Sartorio / ? ? Fiat 500 C
4° ? Ymot / ? ? Panhard Dyna
5° ? Locatelli / ? ? Studebacker
6° Ken Wharton / JJ. Langelaan Ford Pilot V8
7° ? ?
8° ? ?
9° ? ?
10° ? ? ecc...

1950 Middnight Sun 15-18 June
Started 126 Arrived 113
1° Carl Cederbaum / Bertil Sohlberg BMW 327/328
2° Thedde Svensson / Svante Tillberg HRG 1500
3° Joachim Fustenberg / ? ? Porsche 356 Coupè
4° Rolf Mellde / Ragnar Carlsson Saab 92 Sport
5° T. Nilsson / K. Andersson Citroen 11
6° N. Sagemen / O. Sagemen MGA 1100
7° E. Persson / J. Ericson Volvo PV 444
8° E. Jonsson / ? ? Fiat 1100 TV
9° Cecilia Koskull / Christina porsche 356 Coupè
10° Arne Hemmingsson / Carl Jacobsen Austin Healey
11° G. Handenberg / M. Fustenberg Porsche 356 Coupè
12° ? ?
13° ? ?
14° ? ?
15° ? ?
ecc......

My questions : is correct or wrong ? have you other information to add ?
Thanks in advance Regards
Dario



On the '50 Sestriere:

- The winner's Lancia, according to my database, would be an Aprilia. Anyway, it can't be an Aurelia car this model wasn't in the market until may 1950 in his first version and 1951 the GT variant, as far as I know.


On the '50 Midnight Sun:

- Prinz Joachim zu Fürstenberg's codriver was the Count Berckheim, while his Porsche was a Cabriolet model
- The Saab 92, did not exist with model denomination Sport, as far as I know
- N. & O. Sagemen, would be Nils & Olof Segeman, and his car would be an MG 1100-engined, not an MGA, 'cause this model did not exist back in 1950
- Arne Heminggson's car would be a Healey 2400-engined, 'cause the first Austin-Healey, the 100 model, was launched in 1953


Carles.

[januszsz]

21° Sipahi / Sipahi BMW 2002 9.59'02"
...
50° Paletta / Raimondo Fiat 124 24.42'01"
Regards Dario
Thank you Dario once again. Do you have an entry or start list to that rally? Maybe you have entry or start lists to other Sanremo rallies to share?
Regards
januszsz

[januszsz]

In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.
1950 Middnight Sun 15-18 June
Started 126 Arrived 113
1° Carl Cederbaum / Bertil Sohlberg BMW 327/328
2° Thedde Svensson / Svante Tillberg HRG 1500
3° Joachim Fustenberg / ? ? Porsche 356 Coupè
4° Rolf Mellde / Ragnar Carlsson Saab 92 Sport
5° T. Nilsson / K. Andersson Citroen 11
6° N. Sagemen / O. Sagemen MGA 1100
7° E. Persson / J. Ericson Volvo PV 444
8° E. Jonsson / ? ? Fiat 1100 TV
9° Cecilia Koskull / Christina porsche 356 Coupè
10° Arne Hemmingsson / Carl Jacobsen Austin Healey
11° G. Handenberg / M. Fustenberg Porsche 356 Coupè
My questions : is correct or wrong ? have you other information to add ?
Thanks in advance Regards
Dario
I can add few first names to that:
1950 Middnight Sun 15-18 June
5° THURE Nilsson / K.V. Andersson Citroen 11
6° NILS Sagemen / OLOF Sagemen MGA 1100
7° ELIMAR Persson / JOHN Ericson Volvo PV 444
8° ERIC Jonsson / ? ? Fiat 1100 TV
Regards
januszsz

[januszsz]

It should be SEGEMAN above (my mistake, sorry)
januszsz

[FAL]

As Carles has already posted, a Healey at that time would not be an Austin Healey. Probably a Healey saloon or Healey "Silverstone" sports car with a Riley engine. The MG may have been an MG "YA" saloon.

[dario]

On the '50 Sestriere:

- The winner's Lancia, according to my database, would be an Aprilia. Anyway, it can't be an Aurelia car this model wasn't in the market until may 1950 in his first version and 1951 the GT variant, as far as I know.



Carles.

Carles , Fal , Januszsz
Thanks you Very much for your help.
Best regards
Dario

[dario]

Thank you Dario once again. Do you have an entry or start list to that rally? Maybe you have entry or start lists to other Sanremo rallies to share?
Regards
januszsz

The entry list of 1973 no, other vintages is possible, I have to check and you know I will.
Regards Dario

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Thank you Dario,


Sanremo 90 -
18. L. Aitken / T. Yhorner Opel Kadett GSi
19. L'Huillier / Bionda Lancia Delta Integrale
20. Mattia / Bonisio VW Golf GTi
21. Fiora / Bolognani Peugeot 205 GTi
22. P. Neyret / Laffeule Lancia Delta Integrale
23. Zanchi / Goggia Peugeot 205 GTi
24. Guagliardo / Zemini Peugeot 205 GTi
25. Krecek / J. Motl Skoda 136 Favorit
26. Bertolini / Tumaini Peugeot 205 GTi
27. Lozza / Florendi Opel Kadett GSi
28. Ghezzi / Lucchini Lancia Delta 16V
29. Brink / Jensen Peugeot 205 GTi
30. Chiossi / Chiossi Peugeot 309 GTi
31. Benza / Colangeli Peugeot 205 GTi
32. Panacci / Perlino Peugeot 205 GTi
33. Marchi / Boccadelli Peugeot 205 GTi
34. Maselli / Policchi Lancia Delta Integrale
35. Mouhier / Ricci Lancia Delta Integrale
36. Tokehira / Osawa Nissan March
37. " Artemio " / " C" Lancia Delta Integrale
38. Mostardini / Verrando Opel Kadett GSi
39. Baracco / Gallo Peugeot 295 GTi
40. Mascagni / Pizzolato Renault 5GT Turbo
41. Caprè / Phialoux Toyota Corolla
42. Lombardi / Fical Opel Kadett GSi
43. Sagnard / Muller Peugeot 205 GTi
44. Garcea / Mozzali Opel Kadett GSi
45. Orengo / Simone Opel Corsa GTi
46. Caneschi / Sabbatini A112
47. Falleri / Balderi Peugeot 205 GTi

Regards Dario

[DIMI44]

j hope yes . this is my questions :
1985 16° - 20°


32nd Acropolis Rally 1985

16. (car No 82) M.SHIBAGAKI - S.JUKAWA / Toyota Corolla 13.02.02
17. (40) Stamatis ATHANASOULAS - Nikos PANOU / Toyota Starlet 13.12.09
18. (60) Vassilis TSOPANOPULOS - J. TSOLAKIS / Opel Ascona 13.21.28
19. (95) Nikos MAKRIS - G.KARATZANIS / Toyota Starlet 13.23.06
20. (61) Christos PANOURGIAS- C. SMAILIS /Renault 11 13.26.31

[dario]

[quote="jirka rk"]Thank you Dario,


Sanremo 91 -
25. Lozza / Florendi Opel Kadett GSi
26. Giuliato / Nigra Peugeot 205 GTi
27. Peacock / Davies Ford Sierra Cosworth 4wd
28. " Artemio " / Raviolo Lancia Delta 16V
29. Bianchi / Soma Peugeot 309 GTi
30. Zumelli / Julita Peugeot 309 GTi
31. Remiddi / De Maestri Opel Kadett GSi
32. Cardelli / Droandi Renault 5GT Turbo
33. Volker / Helmuth Lancia Delta 16V
34. Bigoni / Bigoni Toyota Corolla
35. Sagnard / Muller Peugeot 205 GTi
36. Bruno / Lipari Peugeot 205 GTi
37. Nikityuk / Volodko Vaz Samara 210
38. Pazzagli / Ghirardelli Opel Kadett GSi
39. Moragli / Ghersi Peugeot 205 Rally
40. Colombotto / Arman Peugeot 205 Rally

Best Regards
Dario

[dario]

32nd Acropolis Rally 1985

16. (car No 82) M.SHIBAGAKI - S.JUKAWA / Toyota Corolla 13.02.02
17. (40) Stamatis ATHANASOULAS - Nikos PANOU / Toyota Starlet 13.12.09
18. (60) Vassilis TSOPANOPULOS - J. TSOLAKIS / Opel Ascona 13.21.28
19. (95) Nikos MAKRIS - G.KARATZANIS / Toyota Starlet 13.23.06
20. (61) Christos PANOURGIAS- C. SMAILIS /Renault 11 13.26.31

Thanks very much DIMI
Best Regards
Dario

[dario]

[quote="dario"]In addition to complete data of the old rally, if you agree on the forum send the data in my possession (for the years 50 and 60) and you and others you can add or correct any errors.

1951 Viking 24- 27 August
Started ? Arrived ? - km ?
1° Per Bergan / Gunnar Kjolstad Citroen 11
2° Walter Carlsen / Knut Solberg Chevrolet
3° Lars Egeberg / Thorleif Petersen Chevrolet
4° B. Rohne / H. Selmer Ford Vedette
5° Carsten Johanssen/ Arne Hinsvaerk Jowett Javelin
6° A. Bohle / G. Helle Dodge
7° Nils Hagen / Helmut Gulbrandsen Hansa 1500
8° H. Henriksen / H. Henriksen Mercury
9° E. Karlsson / B. Wennerberg Austin A 90
10° A. Busch / A. Lindholm Fiat 508 C
11° ? ? ?
12° ? ? ?
13° ? ? ?
14° ? ? ?
15° ? ? ?
ecc.....

1952 Sestriere ? - ? February
Started ? Arrived ? Km ?
1° Gino Valenzano / Mario Poltronieri Lancia Aurelia B20
2° H. von Der Muhle/ ? Guilleaume Porsche 356 Coupè
3° Helmuth Polensky / Graf von Berkleim Porsche 356 Coupè
4° ? Bertone / ? Reynaldi Lancia Aurelia
5° R. Priodi / ?. Frajria Lancia Aurelia
6° ?. Fusar Poli / ?. Zagato Lancia Aurelia
7° Ferdinando Gatta / ? . Orlandi Fiat 1400
8° ? ? / ? ? ?
9° ? ? / ? ? ?
10° ?? / ?? ?
11° ? ? / ? ? ?
12° ? ?
13° ? ?
14° ? ?
15° ? ?
ecc......

My questions : is correct or wrong ? have you other information to add ?
Thanks in advance Regards

[januszsz]

To Viking Rally 1951:
10th Arnold Busch/Arne Lindholm
januszsz

[januszsz]

...and to Sestriere 1952:
2nd von der Mühle/Paul von Guillaeme -D-
regards
januszsz

[ReWind]

2nd von der Mühle/Paul von Guillaeme -D-Please take care of the spelling.
They were: Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckart (1910 - 2005) & Paul von Guilleaume (1893 - 1970).

[januszsz]

Please take care of the spelling.
They were: Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckart (1910 - 2005) & Paul von Guilleaume (1893 - 1970).Sorry for mistake - it happens if you are in hurry.
Do you know is Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckard the same person as Count Friedrich vond der Mühle?
Rgards
januszsz

[ReWind]

Do you know is Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckart the same person as Count Friedrich von der Mühle?I cannot answer that because I don't know the latter one.
Heinrich's full name was Heinrich Karl Gabriel Graf (= Count) von der Mühle-Eckart auf Leonberg.
No "Friedrich" in his name AFAIK.

[januszsz]

I cannot answer that because I don't know the latter one.
Heinrich's full name was Heinrich Karl Gabriel Graf (= Count) von der Mühle-Eckart auf Leonberg.
No "Friedrich" in his name AFAIK.
Thank you for explanation. It looks it was a wrong information as even the date (year) of his (Friedrich's) birth was similar to Heinrich's. Heinrich von der Mühle in his Hanomag was 16th overall 5th in class 1100-1500ccm in 11th Poland Rally (those times it was called Miedzynarodowy Raid Automobilklubu Polski o Grand Prix Polski = International Rally of Poland's Automolile Club for Grand Prix of Poland).
Certain Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen was born in 1909 as Countness Katharina von dr Mühle. Was she older sister of Heinrich or a cousin?
By the way: wat does it mean "AFAIK"?
Regards
januszsz

[Carles Bosch 02]

Thank you for explanation. It looks it was a wrong information as even the date (year) of his (Friedrich's) birth was similar to Heinrich's. Heinrich von der Mühle in his Hanomag was 16th overall 5th in class 1100-1500ccm in 11th Poland Rally (those times it was called Miedzynarodowy Raid Automobilklubu Polski o Grand Prix Polski = International Rally of Poland's Automolile Club for Grand Prix of Poland).
Certain Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen was born in 1909 as Countness Katharina von dr Mühle. Was she older sister of Heinrich or a cousin?
By the way: wat does it mean "AFAIK"?
Regards
januszsz


januszsz,

in my database i've not found either trace of a Friedrich von der Mühle, only Heinrich von der Mühle as ReWind has stated.

On Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen, must be the same Kitty von Falkenhausen wife of racing/rally driver Baron Alex von Falkenhausen, I suppose.

AFAIK as usen mainly in forums is the short form of 'as far as I know'.


Carles.

[januszsz]

januszsz,

in my database i've not found either trace of a Friedrich von der Mühle, only Heinrich von der Mühle as ReWind has stated.

On Baroness Katharina von Falkenhausen, must be the same Kitty von Falkenhausen wife of racing/rally driver Baron Alex von Falkenhausen, I suppose.

AFAIK as usen mainly in forums is the short form of 'as far as I know'.


Carles.
Thank you Carlles for explanation. I can't learn those net tricks.
regards
januszsz

[ReWind]

Just to confirm:
Katharina "Kitty" von Falkenhausen is indeed a sister of Heinrich von der Mühle-Eckart. In April 1934 she married Alexander von Falkenhausen (of later AFM fame). It seems she is still alive at 99 years!

[jrally]

Dario, here you'll find what I can add.


'67 Charbonnières (4th to 10th):

4th, Jean-Pierre Gaban & Jean-Marie Jacquemin, Porsche 911S
5th, Bob Neyret & Jacques Terramorsi, Citroën DS 21
6th, Jean-Claude Ogier & Lucette Pointet, Citroën DS 21
7th, René Trautmann & Philippe Leyssieux, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF
8th, Patrick Lier & Silvio Vaglio, Sunbeam Imp
9th, Fernand Schligler & Georges Couzian, Renault 8 Gordini
10th, Sylvain Garant & Branco Stoikovitch, Porsche 911


'67 RACE (10th):

10th, Henri Gréder & Marie-Claude Beaumont, Opel Commodore GS


'79 Acropolis (14th & 15th)

14th, Ohu & Diener, Lada 1600, 17h37'17"
15th, Gemenis & El Nak, Datsun 1600 SSS, 17h5012"


Carles.

One question, Carles !
Do You know the first name of Pierre Hanrioud's co-driver, Foucher ?

And are you sure that René Trautmann's co-driver first name is Philippe ?

Thanks
Regards
jorge

[jrally]

16th should be Heimburger (there above is a spell mistake) and in 1976 co-driver in 11th was Serge Roch not Ross.
I have Claudine Trautmann in 11th (1976) and Dimi44 suggest it was Henri. Anybody can solve the problem?
By the way Dimi are you able to add some Greek first names? Do you have entry or starting lists?
Regards
januszsz

Janusz, first name is Henri which I think was the son of René !

Regards
jorge

[jrally]

Thank you Carles,
Would you add time and car's group of the RACE'73 winner as well as times and car's groups of top 3 for RACE'72?
In 1972 10th was Finland's Johan Wiklund, sorry I don't know first name of his co-driver.
I have still some more questions on Spanish ERC rounds. I'll prepare them soon.
Regards
janusz

First name of Wiklund was Anders !

Regards
jorge

[jrally]

I don't have here the spanish magazines for this period, only to 1973. As soon as I can I'll post here the results missing.

Comyn's first name, if my memory serves me right, is Alfonso.


Carles.

Carles,
First name of Comyn is Ricardo !

Saludos
Jorge

[Carles Bosch 02]

One question, Carles !
Do You know the first name of Pierre Hanrioud's co-driver, Foucher ?

And are you sure that René Trautmann's co-driver first name is Philippe ?

Thanks
Regards
jorge


Hi, Jorge,

on Foucher in my database i've only X. Foucher.

There's a guy newly-registered in 'Forum-Auto' whose nick I don't remember now, that seems having first-hand information on the Trautmanns and he maintains that the first name of Leyssieux is Philippe.

Regards,

Carles.

[Carles Bosch 02]

Carles,
First name of Comyn is Ricardo !

Saludos
Jorge


Of course, you're right, Jorge!

Alfonso Comyn is the owner of a well-known shop in Barcelona of racing & rally accessoires.

Pradera's codriver Comyn's first name was Ricardo.


Carles.

My memory was playing tricks with me...

[januszsz]

Thank you Jorge and welcome afetr your holiday!
Regards
januszsz

[DIMI44]

23rd AcropolisRally 1976

21.(106) Costas MEXIS / J.VASSILIADIS 11.25.55
22.( 50) "HEIDI HETZER" / O.DENCKER 11.31.52
23.( 70) Andreas PAPATRIANTAFILLOU /Emmanouil HALIVELAKIS* 11.40.30
24.(126) Evripides CORRES / Antonis STIVACHTARIS 11.41.29
25.(144) E.SELTMANN / H.HOFFMANN 11.56.37
26.( 68) Antonis KOULENTIANOS /J.ANAGNOSTOPOULOS 11.59.23
27.( 49) B.VIRBILIS / C.VIRVILIS 12.15.30
28.( 43) "PAVLOS" / Nikos MAKRIJIANNIS 12.18.15
29.( 80) M.KISSANDRAKIS / D. PRASSOPOULOS 12.19.56
30.( 62) Emmanouil HALIVELAKIS */ Panagiotis KOUTSIKOS 12.27.35
31.( 89) G. AGELOPOULOS /Nikos PAPASTATHOPOULOS 12.46.33
32.( 29) B.DULCY/J.F.BAGARRY 12.55.40
33.( 91) A.GATSIOS / Michalis KATSIBAROS 12.59.44
34.(133) Theodoros MOUSOURELIS / Ioannis BELEGRIS 13.11.42

* there are cousins.

Rgds
Dimitris

[Kaps]

Tjeerd, are you maintaining that invaluable site of yours?

What's with 2000 Rallye Monte Carlo? It seems it's been deleted from your database?

[kabouter]

Tjeerd, are you maintaining that invaluable site of yours?

What's with 2000 Rallye Monte Carlo? It seems it's been deleted from your database?

No time to work on the site it until the end of October I'm afraid :(

The problem with Monte Carlo probably arises from the fact that its RallyID in the database is 0 (it was the first rally I ever entered into the database). The result is still there (http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?type=result&rallyid=0) but somehow all the info on that rally is empty in the database and therefore it doesn't show up in driver profiles...

I tried updating the whole database, but that doesn't seem to have any effect.

Edit: fixed by uploading the table with all the rallies again.

[jrally]

Thanks Janusz,

one old question !
Does someone has the top 10 of Bosphorus Rally 77 ?
And the top 10 of Zlatni Piassatzi rally of 1974 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[dario]

Thanks Janusz,

one old question !
Does someone has the top 10 of Bosphorus Rally 77 ?
And the top 10 of Zlatni Piassatzi rally of 1974 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

This is the link of rally Bulgaria ( Zlatni Piassatzi )
http//golden-sands.rally-club.net/zlatni_en.html
Best regards Dario

[jrally]

This is the link of rally Bulgaria ( Zlatni Piassatzi )
http//golden-sands.rally-club.net/zlatni_en.html
Best regards Dario

Thanks Dario,
But as you can see my name is there on the colaborators !

I was looking for the 10th classified of the 74 edition which is the one who misses me.

But anyway, thanks for Your help !
Best regards
jorge

[Benne]

Hi everybody

does someone here know of any Danish top 5 results in the European Championship for rallies in the period 1979 to 1991.
I only found 1, Jorgen Nielsen in Hellendoorn in 1989.

Thanks in advance
Best regards
Peter

[jrally]

Hi everybody

does someone here know of any Danish top 5 results in the European Championship for rallies in the period 1979 to 1991.
I only found 1, Jorgen Nielsen in Hellendoorn in 1989.

Thanks in advance
Best regards
Peter

Hi Benne,

Here what I've found !

79 - Skoda - Jens Ole Kristiansen-Rune Thomsen (Opel Ascona) 5th
79 - Madeira - Holger Helle-Age Sorensen (Opel Ascona 2000) 6th
79 - Baltic - Jens Ole Kristiansen-Nils Pedersen (Opel Ascona 2000) 4th

80 - Algarve - Holger Helle-Ole Hansen (Opel Ascona 2000) 5th
82 - Sachs Winter - Jens Ole Kristiansen-Fred Hartwigsen (Opel Ascona 400) 3th
84 - Hessen - Jens Ole Kristiansen-Gerhard Kischkel (Opel Manta 400) 4th
86 - Haspengouw - Jens Ole Kristiansen-Ludwig Hage (Peugeot 205 T16) 5th
88 - Hellendoorn - Jorgen Nielsen-Handy Madsen (Opel Kadett GSi) 4th
89 - Hellendoorn - Jorgen Nielsen-Per Johansen (Opel Kadett GSi) 4th

There are a lot of others but not in the top 5 !

Hope it helps
Regards
jorge

[Benne]

WOW

thank you very much Jorge

I am helping someone writing a book, where this information is "needed".


Best Regards
Benne

[jrally]

Hello,

Does someone has the COMPLETE results of the Budapest and Petrol Velenje rallyes of 1999 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[urabus-denoS2000]

Hello,

Does someone has the COMPLETE results of the Budapest and Petrol Velenje rallyes of 1999 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

Try to email at www.as2005.si (http://www.as2005.si) (Slovenian motorsport) ,they will probably have the results of rally Velenje 1999.

Try the same with www.mnasz.hu (http://www.mnasz.hu) (Hungarian motorsport)

[jrally]

Thank You very much, urabus-denoS2000 !

I've tried already MNASZ but no answer till the moment !

Just one question ! I've noticed You are from Croatia. By any chance don't You have the complete results of Rally Riviera Opatija of 1997 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[Olczyk]

Photos of Audi Sport Quattro Number 21 driven by Demuth
Reward for help
[email:2tl3u41l]olczyk@yahoo.com[/email:2tl3u41l]

[Emulman]

Please,

i'm new of this forum...i have already seen that this fantatsic post about rallies history is divided into three sections... and the first part??? i have tried to reach it with an old link, but it doesn't work anyway..where i can found the first part?? thank you!

[kabouter]

Please,

i'm new of this forum...i have already seen that this fantatsic post about rallies history is divided into three sections... and the first part??? i have tried to reach it with an old link, but it doesn't work anyway..where i can found the first part?? thank you!
The first rally history thread can be found in the archived old forum:
http://archive.motorsportforums.com/vb2/showthread.php?threadid=115502

[DIMI44]

Please help.
I like a photo of Carlos Bika / Candido Junior with Lancia Rally,car No 18, 2nd on RALLY OF PORTUGAL 1986.

[RiN]

I'm still in search for help to fill in the missing names from the '53 season.
I'll be grateful for all help recieved.


Monte-Carlo:
R.... Marion - J.... Charmasson (Citroen)

Sestriere:
Emanuele Nasi - ?... Ceriana (Fiat)

RAC:
G.... H.... Turnbull - R.... P.... Dean (Vauxhall)
Denis Scott - ?.... (Jaguar)

Tulpen:
Mario Damonte - L.... Calligario (Fiat)
Theo Koks - K.... De Jong (VW)
J.... Scheffer - G.... Willing (Jowett)
Godfrey Imhof - S.... Ross (Allard)

Midnight Sun:
Owe Stålheim - E.... Frank (Citroen)
Karl E.Andersson - O.... Tryggvesson (Fiat)

Alps:
Ferdinando Gatta - ?.... Cottino (Lancia)

Liege:
Franco Caramelli - ?.... Turbiglio (Lancia)
Oreste Barozzi - (Siro?).... Colombo (Lancia)
?.... Bigoni - ?.... Curie (Citroen)

Lisbon:
Joaquim Filipe Nogueira - ?.... (Porsche)
Cuth Harrison - ?.... (Ford)
Fernando Stock - ?.... (Porsche)




Tom

[FAL]

RAC 53
It's probably George Turnbull (later to be one of the major figures in the UK car industry) but I can't be certain.

[Emulman]

The first rally history thread can be found in the archived old forum:
http://archive.motorsportforums.com/...hreadid=115502


thank you very much!!!

[jrally]

Please help.
I like a photo of Carlos Bika / Candido Junior with Lancia Rally,car No 18, 2nd on RALLY OF PORTUGAL 1986.

Hi Dimitris,

Have You seen my PM ?

Regards
jorge

[DIMI44]

Hi Dimitris,

Have You seen my PM ?

Regards
jorge

YESSS!!
Thank you very much. = S'efharisto poli.
Dimitris

[RiN]

RAC 53
It's probably George Turnbull (later to be one of the major figures in the UK car industry) but I can't be certain.
Thank you, FAL.


Tom

[urabus-denoS2000]

Thank You very much, urabus-denoS2000 !

I've tried already MNASZ but no answer till the moment !

Just one question ! I've noticed You are from Croatia. By any chance don't You have the complete results of Rally Riviera Opatija of 1997 ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

Sorry it took so long to respond
Again no results on the Internet,this time try to contact www.haks.hr (http://www.haks.hr),

www.akdelta.hr (http://www.akdelta.hr) ,or www.delta-timing.hr (http://www.delta-timing.hr)

[dario]

[quote="RiN"]I'm still in search for help to fill in the missing names from the '53 season.
I'll be grateful for all help recieved.


Monte-Carlo:
R.... Marion - J.... Charmasson (Citroen)

Sestriere:
Emanuele Nasi - ?... Ceriana (Fiat)

RAC:
G.... H.... Turnbull - R.... P.... Dean (Vauxhall)
Denis Scott - Jack Cunningham (Jaguar)

Tulpen:
Mario Damonte - Luisa Calligario (Fiat)
Theo Koks - Kim De Jong (VW)
J.... Scheffer - G.... Willing (Jowett)
Godfrey Imhof - Stuart Ross (Allard)

Midnight Sun:
Owe Stålheim - E.... Frank (Citroen)
Karl E.Andersson - O.... Tryggvesson (Fiat)

Alps:
Ferdinando Gatta - ?.... Cottino (Lancia)

Liege:
Franco Caramelli - Stefano Marsaglia (Lancia)
Oreste Barozzi - Siro Colombo (Lancia)
?.... Bigoni - ?.... Couries (Citroen)

Lisbon:
Joaquim Filipe Nogueira - Sousa (Porsche)
Cuth Harrison - ?.... (Ford)
Fernando Stock - ?.... (Porsche)




J have only this.
Best regards Dario

[RiN]

Splendid!
Thank you very much, Dario!

Tom

[FAL]

Cuth Harrison was normally co-driven by E.(Edward I think) Harrison at that time. From 1954 in a works Ford Zephyr, including Lisbon, but a private car in 1953 I think.

[jrally]

Sorry it took so long to respond
Again no results on the Internet,this time try to contact www.haks.hr (http://www.haks.hr),

www.akdelta.hr (http://www.akdelta.hr) ,or www.delta-timing.hr (http://www.delta-timing.hr)

Thank You very much, urabus-denoS2000, for your help !

best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Cuth Harrison was normally co-driven by E.(Edward I think) Harrison at that time. From 1954 in a works Ford Zephyr, including Lisbon, but a private car in 1953 I think.

Yes, I think so too. But I want to be sure...........


Tom

[RiN]

I'm in need of some help with names regarding the '54 season, too.



Sestriere:
(Giuseppe?) (Atilio?) .... Buffa - ?.... Carabelli (Lancia)
Emilio Giletti - ?.... Cinti (Lancia)

RAC:
Peter C.Cooper - O.... L.... Leighton (Triumph)
Bill Bleakley - P.... Glaister (Triumph)
Jimmy Ray - K.... D.... Ray (Morgan)
J.... Ashworth - J.... Wesly (Jaguar)

Tulpen:
Jan Martens - B....H....Eerligh (Fiat)

Alps:
Bill Burton - ?.... Burke (Aston Martin)
Roger Rauch - ?.... Bousson (Salmson)

Liege:
Georges Houel - G.... Blaise (Alfa Romeo)
Gilbert Sabine - ?.... Leroux (Porsche)

Geneve:
?.... Deroux (or maybe Pouderoux) - ?.... Gouteyron (Alfa Romeo)
Carlo Bornand - ?.... Flury (Alfa Romeo)
?.... Brun - Rolf Wutherich (Porsche)


Tom

[rx-guru]

Hei Tom, I guess you would make a better chance for your questions here:
http://forums.autosport.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

Hilsen fra Tyskland!

[RiN]

Hei Tom, I guess you would make a better chance for your questions here:
http://forums.autosport.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

Hilsen fra Tyskland!



Yes, you're probably right.


Thanks.

Tom

[FAL]

Hei Tom, I guess you would make a better chance for your questions here:
http://forums.autosport.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10

Hilsen fra Tyskland!

I doubt it. Rally people on TNF are largely those on here - jrally, carles, me(under another name) etc!

[RiN]

This time I give it a try with missing names from the '67 season. Maybe it's more in line with the base of knowledge of most forum-members.



Monte-Carlo:
Bernd Jansson - T.... Senysmann (Renault)

Fiori:
Zefferino Filippi - A.... del Pozzo (Renault)


Pneumant:
Kenneth Gram Nielsen - M.... Sørensen (Mini Cooper)
Jan Lander Andersen - ?..... Nielsen (Fiat)

Tulpen:
Alfred Krause - J.... Brecheisen (Renault)

Austria:
R.... G.... Schachinger - ?.... Supang or M.... Stephany (Volvo)
Walter Roser - B.... Andrieu (Renault)

Acropolis:
Rune Larsson - ?.... Jonrup (Volvo)
Jan Erik Lundgren - ?.... Eriksson (Volvo)


Donau:
Joachim Springer - ?.... Brendel (BMW)
?.... Eschey - Dieter Eymann (BMW)

RACE:
Jose Lampreia - ?.... Nascimento (Renault)
Jose Maria Juncadella - ?.... Molist (Mini Cooper)
Jorge De Bagration - J.... Barcenas (Lancia)

3 Stadte:
K.... Reisch - Helmut Schwab (MG)
Gernot Fischer - ?.... Queissner (MG)
Helmut Klomfar - H.... Hopf (Porsche)


Tom

[Carles Bosch 02]

This time I give it a try with missing names from the '67 season. Maybe it's more in line with the base of knowledge of most forum-members.



Monte-Carlo:
Bernd Jansson - T.... Senysmann (Renault)

Fiori:
Zefferino Filippi - A.... del Pozzo (Renault)


Pneumant:
Kenneth Gram Nielsen - M.... Sørensen (Mini Cooper)
Jan Lander Andersen - ?..... Nielsen (Fiat)

Tulpen:
Alfred Krause - J.... Brecheisen (Renault)

Austria:
R.... G.... Schachinger - ?.... Supang or M.... Stephany (Volvo)
Walter Roser - B.... Andrieu (Renault)

Acropolis:
Rune Larsson - ?.... Jonrup (Volvo)
Jan Erik Lundgren - ?.... Eriksson (Volvo)


Donau:
Joachim Springer - ?.... Brendel (BMW)
?.... Eschey - Dieter Eymann (BMW)

RACE:
Jose Lampreia - ?.... Nascimento (Renault)
Jose Maria Juncadella - ?.... Molist (Mini Cooper)
Jorge De Bagration - J.... Barcenas (Lancia)

3 Stadte:
K.... Reisch - Helmut Schwab (MG)
Gernot Fischer - ?.... Queissner (MG)
Helmut Klomfar - H.... Hopf (Porsche)


Tom


Hi, Tom,

I can add a few missing names:

- Berndt Jansson / Marianne Sengtsmann
- Zeffirino Filippi / Roberto del Pozzo
- R.G. Schachinger / M. Stephany
- Rune Larsson / K. Jonrup
- Jan-Erik Lundgren / Lars Eriksson
- Joachim Springer / Dr. G. Brendel
- X. Eschey / Dieter Eymann
- José Lampreia / Jorge Nascimento
- José María Juncadella / S. Molist
- Klaus Reisch / Helmut Schwab


Carles.

[RiN]

Thank you, Carles!!

Tom

[jrally]

This time I give it a try with missing names from the '67 season. Maybe it's more in line with the base of knowledge of most forum-members.



Monte-Carlo:
Bernd Jansson - T.... Senysmann (Renault)

Fiori:
Zefferino Filippi - A.... del Pozzo (Renault)


Pneumant:
Kenneth Gram Nielsen - M.... Sørensen (Mini Cooper)
Jan Lander Andersen - ?..... Nielsen (Fiat)

Tulpen:
Alfred Krause - J.... Brecheisen (Renault)

Austria:
R.... G.... Schachinger - ?.... Supang or M.... Stephany (Volvo)
Walter Roser - B.... Andrieu (Renault)

Acropolis:
Rune Larsson - ?.... Jonrup (Volvo)
Jan Erik Lundgren - ?.... Eriksson (Volvo)


Donau:
Joachim Springer - ?.... Brendel (BMW)
?.... Eschey - Dieter Eymann (BMW)

RACE:
Jose Lampreia - ?.... Nascimento (Renault)
Jose Maria Juncadella - ?.... Molist (Mini Cooper)
Jorge De Bagration - J.... Barcenas (Lancia)

3 Stadte:
K.... Reisch - Helmut Schwab (MG)
Gernot Fischer - ?.... Queissner (MG)
Helmut Klomfar - H.... Hopf (Porsche)


Tom


Hi Tom,
I can add a few more

Joachim Springer - Gunther Brendel (BMW)
Josef Eschey - Dieter Eymann (BMW)
Jan Erik Lundgren - Lars Eriksson (Volvo)

In Tulpen Rally , Alfred Krause didn't finnished in top 10 !

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

One thing, regardind 1967

Do You know their names ?

Austria - Arne Hallgren-??? Eriksson
Geneve - Claude Haldi-???? Halberthur

Thanks in advance
regards
jorge

[RiN]

Hi Tom,

In Tulpen Rally , Alfred Krause didn't finnished in top 10 !

Best regards
jorge

This is what I have, but maybe it's wrong:
(And Brecheisen's first name too. Forgot to delete him from my file with missing names :-) )

19e Tulpenrallye, 27 april - 2 may 1967
1 Vic Elford – David Stone GB Porsche 911 S
2 Timo Makinen – Paul Easter SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
3 Rauno Aaltonen – Henry Liddon SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
4 Björn Waldegård – Lars Helmér S Porsche 911
5 Julien Vernaeve – Mike Wood B/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
6 Wilfried Gass – Gerd Frey D Porsche 911
7 David Friswell - Chris Nash GB Lotus Elan
8 Alfred Krause - Jean Brecheisen F Renault R8 Gordini 1300
9 Rob Slotemaker - Rob Gorris NL BMW 2000 Ti
10 Peter Harper - David Pollard GB Sunbeam Imp

[RiN]

One thing, regardind 1967

Do You know their names ?

Austria - Arne Hallgren-??? Eriksson
Geneve - Claude Haldi-???? Halberthur

Thanks in advance
regards
jorge


I have Stig Eriksson and Guido Haberthür.


Tom

[RiN]

Hi Tom,
I can add a few more

Joachim Springer - Gunther Brendel (BMW)
Josef Eschey - Dieter Eymann (BMW)
Jan Erik Lundgren - Lars Eriksson (Volvo)

Best regards
jorge

Thanks !!

[januszsz]

This time I give it a try with missing names from the '67 season. Maybe it's more in line with the base of knowledge of most forum-members.



Austria:
R.... G.... Schachinger - ?.... Supang or M.... Stephany (Volvo)
Walter Roser - B.... Andrieu (Renault)

Acropolis:
Rune Larsson - ?.... Jonrup (Volvo)
Jan Erik Lundgren - ?.... Eriksson (Volvo)


Tom
Manfred Stephany
Rune Larsson/Kjell Ehrman
Jan Erik Lundgren/Lars Eriksson
Regards
januszsz

[januszsz]

I have following "blanks" in 1967. Maybe somebody can fill them:
Alpenfahrt
Loisl Wiener / ??
Donau
?. Wittig / ??
Gerhard Pöltinger / ??
Regards
januszsz

[RiN]

Thanks, januszsz !

I have:

Alois Wiener / Antonie Wiener - Glas 1304 GT

Egon Wittig / Harald Gottlieb - Alfa Romeo 1300
Walter Pöltinger / Ernst Merinsky - VW 1500.


Tom

[januszsz]

Thanks, januszsz !

I have:

Alois Wiener / Antonie Wiener - Glas 1304 GT

Egon Wittig / Harald Gottlieb - Alfa Romeo 1300
Walter Pöltinger / Ernst Merinsky - VW 1500.


Tom
Thank you Tom!
About Pöltinger I got results with that unknown Gerhard it was strange but I thought maybe brother or a cousin of famous Walter.
Regards
januszsz

[jrally]

This is what I have, but maybe it's wrong:
(And Brecheisen's first name too. Forgot to delete him from my file with missing names :-) )

19e Tulpenrallye, 27 april - 2 may 1967
1 Vic Elford – David Stone GB Porsche 911 S
2 Timo Makinen – Paul Easter SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
3 Rauno Aaltonen – Henry Liddon SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
4 Björn Waldegård – Lars Helmér S Porsche 911
5 Julien Vernaeve – Mike Wood B/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
6 Wilfried Gass – Gerd Frey D Porsche 911
7 David Friswell - Chris Nash GB Lotus Elan
8 Alfred Krause - Jean Brecheisen F Renault R8 Gordini 1300
9 Rob Slotemaker - Rob Gorris NL BMW 2000 Ti
10 Peter Harper - David Pollard GB Sunbeam Imp

Hi Tom,
I have a little bit different

1 Vic Elford – David Stone GB Porsche 911 S
2 Timo Makinen – Paul Easter SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
3 Rauno Aaltonen – Henry Liddon SF/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
4 Björn Waldegård – Lars Helmér S Porsche 911
5 Julien Vernaeve – Mike Wood B/GB BMC Mini Cooper S
6 Wilfried Gass – Gerd Frey D Porsche 911
7 Rob Slotemaker - Rob Gorris NL BMW 2000 Ti
8 David Friswell - Chris Nash GB Lotus Elan
9 Dieter Lambart-Hans Vogt D Opel Rekord 1900
10 Jens Nielsen - O.W.Kristensen DK Volvo 122 S

what is right ?
Any help will be welcome !

Best regards
jorge

P.S. - By the way, does someone knows the complete name of O.W.Kristensen ?

[jrally]

I have Stig Eriksson and Guido Haberthür.


Tom

About the co-driver Stig Eriksson I have that the first letter of first name was one R.

Can You confirm me that it's in fact Stig Eriksson ?

Thanks
regards
jorge

[FAL]

Tulip 67 - but by Group rather than overall:

[RiN]

About the co-driver Stig Eriksson I have that the first letter of first name was one R.

Can You confirm me that it's in fact Stig Eriksson ?

Thanks
regards
jorge

No, I can't confirm it as a fact.
That's why I use the phrase 'What I have.....'.
I regret never going to the trouble of writing down my sources.
It would have been very useful these days.
If I find out, I'll let you know.


Tom

[RiN]

Tulip 67 - but by Group rather than overall:

This is one of my main sources, too, the swedish annual MOTORÅRET.
My other main source for the Tulpen rallye is VIFTIG JAAR TULPENRALLYE 1949-1999.

Tom

[jrally]

This is one of my main sources, too, the swedish annual MOTORÅRET.
My other main source for the Tulpen rallye is VIFTIG JAAR TULPENRALLYE 1949-1999.

Tom

Yes, but even that dutch book it's not conclusiv ! It's impossible to take the overall classification for that !
In the column of overall classification, Timo Makinen is first !

In the classification that FAL has published (I can't read the final times) it's possible to see the final times for example between Krause and Lambart ?
Maybe we can get some informations from there !

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Yes, but even that dutch book it's not conclusiv ! It's impossible to take the overall classification for that !
In the column of overall classification, Timo Makinen is first !



Indeed, the book has some faults.
But, for the '67 rally they don't give overall results, just overall in each of two groups, A = Gr.1 & 2 cars (with Makinen first) and B = Gr.3 cars.




In the classification that FAL has published (I can't read the final times) it's possible to see the final times for example between Krause and Lambart ?
Maybe we can get some informations from there !

Best regards
jorge

The positions for each group are the same in the two books. What is difficult to see in the FAL's pic from MOTORÅRET is that the real overall position is given in brackets after the times.

Tom

[FAL]

:-http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5549/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg/1/w267.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img184/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg/1/)

[jrally]

:-http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5549/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg/1/w267.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img184/tuilprally1967zs8.jpg/1/)

It seems You have the correct one, Tom !

Thanks FAL !

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

and from 1968 ?

DDR - K??? Nielsen-M??? Sorensen
DDR - Zdenek Treybal-P???? Teffek
DDR - Carl Syberg-J??? Iversen
DDR - Walter Roser-R??? Kec
DDR - Vaclav Bobek-H??? Bobek
DDR - Vic Dietmayer-L??? Hahn
Germany - Gunther Wallrabenstein-???? Aeckl
Germany - Eymann (Dieter?)-???? Strung
Danube - Vic Dietmayer-L??? Hahn
Danube - Carl Schindler-???? Schliska
Danube - Titus Maier-Kabic- T??? Kostenberger
Geneve - ???? Blank-???? Karrer
Geneve - ???? Cochet-???? Feuz
Geneve - Bob Wolleck-???? Delaunay
Geneve - Noel Labaune-???? Rodet
Geneve - Henri Greder-???? Mounier

Thanks in advance
best regards
jorge

[RiN]

It seems You have the correct one, Tom !

Thanks FAL !

Best regards
jorge

Well, who knows.....:-)

That's what makes research both facinating and frustrating,
when you believe you have it sorted out, something different pops up.


Tom

[jrally]

Well, who knows.....:-)

That's what makes research both facinating and frustrating,
when you believe you have it sorted out, something different pops up.


Tom

Very, very true, Tom !

Now, I wonder where did I find that classification !

Regards
jorge

[RiN]

and from 1968 ?

DDR - Kenneth Gram Nielsen-M??? Sorensen

Thanks in advance
best regards
jorge

This is the only name I can help you with.


Tom

[jrally]

Thanks Tom,
I already suspected it was the same person !

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Here's my blanks from the '66 season.
Again grateful for all help.


1966:

Fiori:
Sergio Bettoja - ?.... Bulla (Porsche)
Dieter Lambart - H.... Heinrich (Opel)

Austrian:
E.... Buchbauer - Geri Brandstetter (Renault)

Geneve:
Patrick Lier - ?.... Formige (Hillman)

Vlatava:
Zdenek Cechmanek - J.... Pelucha (Tatra)

Deutschland:
Joachim Springer - J.... Schey (BMW)
Paul Roeder - ?.... Schutz (NSU)
Hans Supper - ?.... Sutter (Glas)
R.... Lieb - ?.... Buhrich (Porsche)

3 Stadte:
M.... Fuss - A.... Wendlinger (Porsche)


Tom

[januszsz]

Here's my blanks from the '66 season.
Again grateful for all help.


1966:

Fiori:
Sergio Bettoja - PAOLO Bulla (Porsche)
Vlatava:
Zdenek Cechmanek - JIRI Pelucha (Tatra)
Tom

That's what I can add.
One suggestion more. I have a co-driver to Roeder (Deutschland) "Paul" - maybe I have the proper name to Schutz. Maybe not.
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

and from 1968 ?

DDR - KENNETH GRAM Nielsen-M??? Sorensen
DDR - Zdenek Treybal-PETR Teffek

Germany - Gunther Wallrabenstein-???? Aeckl (I have "J. Säckl")
Germany - Eymann (Dieter?)-???? Strung (I have Dieter Eymann/Rainier Strunz)

jorge

Here you have my contribution, Jo.
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

For those with time to fill over the weekend,
another couple of years with som blanks.


1964:

Fiori:
V.... Bartolini - W.... Bartolini (Alfa Romeo)

Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - W.... Berns (DKW)

Austrian:
Ernst Benedikt - ?.... Herle (Volvo)

Geneve:
Jean-Pierre Meyer - J.... P.... Rutsch (Ford)



1965:

Fiori:
Gianpiero Raffa - ?.... del Monte (Lancia)
Enzo Martoni - ?.... Monti (Lancia)
Dino Morazzoni - ?.... Mona (Lancia)

Vltava:
J.... Vidner - J.... Vylit (Skoda)
Josef Chovanec - J.... Mohyla (Tatra)
Antonin Dolejs - M.... Poldauf (Skoda)


3 Stadte:
Sobieslaw Zasada - ???? (Steyr Puch)
Herbert Kohlweiss - ?.... Martolanz (Alfa Romeo)
Günther Schorn - H.... Pail (Steyr Puch)
H.... Füss - A.... Wendlinger (Porsche)

RAC:
Sten Lundin - ???? (VW)


Tom

[januszsz]

For those with time to fill over the weekend,
another couple of years with som blanks.


1964:

Fiori:
VELIO Bartolini - WALTER Bartolini (Alfa Romeo)

Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - W.... Berns (DKW)

Austrian:
Ernst Benedikt - ?.... Herle (Volvo)

Geneve:
Jean-Pierre Meyer - J.... P.... Rutsch (Ford)



1965:

Fiori:
Gianpiero Raffa - ANGELO del Monte (Lancia)
Enzo Martoni - ?.... Monti (Lancia)
Dino Morazzoni - ?.... Mona (Lancia)

Vltava:
JOSEF Vidner - JAROSLAV Vylit (Skoda)
Josef Chovanec - J.... Mohyla (Tatra)
Antonin Dolejs - M.... Poldauf (Skoda)


3 Stadte:
Sobieslaw Zasada - KAZIMIERZ OSINSKI (Steyr Puch)
Herbert Kohlweiss - ?.... MartElanz (Alfa Romeo)
Günther Schorn - H.... Pail (Steyr Puch)
H.... Füss - A.... Wendlinger (Porsche)

RAC:
Sten Lundin - HAKAN LINDBERG (VW)


Tom
That is what I can help. Hope my sources were good.
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

Again, thanks januszsz!
Do you remember the source for the last one ?

Regards
Tom

[januszsz]

Looking for answers I noticed some total "blanks" in my files. Maybe somebody can fill them.
1954
Sestriere
Heinrich Theden / ??

1955
Sestriere
Ken Wharton / ??

1956
RAC
Peter Harper / ??

1956
Iberico
Javier Sanglas / ??
Jose Luis Abreu / ??
Esteban Sala / ??
Gerardo de Andres / ??
Paul Ernst Strähle / ??
Carlos Faustino / ??
Francisco Peerira / ??
Carlos Mach / ??
Joao V. Azevedo / ??

1957
Adriatique
"Pegaso" / ??

1965
missing 6th-10th

1966
Alpenfahrt
Carl Christian Schindler / ??

1971
Routes du Nord
missing 4th-10th
Semperit
Carl Christian Schindler / ??
missing 7th
Georg Fischer / ??
Geneve
missing 4th-10th

1972
Pneumant
missing 5th-10th
Baltic
? Olsen / ??
Henning Christensen / ??
John Haugland / ??
Wilhelmsson / ??
Tour de Belgique
missing 4th-10th

Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

Again, thanks januszsz!
Do you remember the source for the last one ?

Regards
Tom
I pressume you mean Hakan Lindberg as a co-driver to Lundin?
It was from "RAC Rally 1956-1981" an Unique Motor Books' booklet compiled of xerocopies from old British magazines. That one was from AUTOCAR, December 3rd 1965.
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

Looking for answers I noticed some total "blanks" in my files. Maybe somebody can fill them.
1954
Sestriere
Heinrich Theden / Manfred Elmenhorst

1955
Sestriere
Ken Wharton / Gordon Shanley

1957
Adriatique
"Pegaso" / Campidoglio

1965
missing 6th-10th ????????

Regards
Janusz

This is what I have.

Tom

[RiN]

I pressume you mean Hakan Lindberg as a co-driver to Lundin?
It was from "RAC Rally 1956-1981" an Unique Motor Books' booklet compiled of xerocopies from old British magazines. That one was from AUTOCAR, December 3rd 1965.
Regards
Janusz

Fine!
I've been searching for this for years and obviously overlooked one of the usually good sources.

Tom

[januszsz]

This is what I have.

Tom
Thank you Tom.
Missing 1965 (6th-10th) was RACE.
regards
janusz

[jrally]

Here you have my contribution, Jo.
Regards
Janusz

Sorry for the delay but I went to see Rallye de Mortágua and just returned few minutes ago !

Thanks, Janusz !

[Carles Bosch 02]

For RiN:
- '65 Rallye Vltava-CSSR
Jan Mohyla

For januszsz:
- '57 Int. Adriatic Rally
'Pegaso' (alias for Segio Bettoja)
- '71 Rallye des Routes du Nord
4th, J.C. Zaganelli / Ballcot, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
5th, José Barbara / Michel Verva, Ford Capri RS2600
6th, Jean-Pierre Rouget / Sonia? Delaunay, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
7th, Bernard Mordacq / Roux, BMW 2002 ti
8th, Roger Barbara / A. Lemire, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
9th, Dekytspotter / Michel Delannoy, Porsche 911S
10th, Michale Butler / Govert De Jong, Ford Capri 3000
- '71 Rallye de Genève
4th, Florian Vetsch / Olivier, Porsche 911S
5th, Marie-Pierre Palayer / Christine Rouff, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
6th, Bernard Fiorentino / Maurice Gélin, Simca-CG MC Coupé
7th, ?
8th, Guy Chasseuil, Alfa Romeo 1750
9th, ?
10th, ?
- '72 Sachs Rallye Baltic
Haugland's codriver: Arild Antonsen
Wilhelmsson's codriver: Johnasson


Carles.

[januszsz]

For RiN:
- '65 Rallye Vltava-CSSR
Jan Mohyla

For januszsz:
- '57 Int. Adriatic Rally
'Pegaso' (alias for Segio Bettoja)
- '71 Rallye des Routes du Nord
4th, J.C. Zaganelli / Ballcot, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
5th, José Barbara / Michel Verva, Ford Capri RS2600
6th, Jean-Pierre Rouget / Sonia? Delaunay, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
7th, Bernard Mordacq / Roux, BMW 2002 ti
8th, Roger Barbara / A. Lemire, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
9th, Dekytspotter / Michel Delannoy, Porsche 911S
10th, Michale Butler / Govert De Jong, Ford Capri 3000
- '71 Rallye de Genève
4th, Florian Vetsch / Olivier, Porsche 911S
5th, Marie-Pierre Palayer / Christine Rouff, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
6th, Bernard Fiorentino / Maurice Gélin, Simca-CG MC Coupé
7th, ?
8th, Guy Chasseuil, Alfa Romeo 1750
9th, ?
10th, ?
- '72 Sachs Rallye Baltic
Haugland's codriver: Arild Antonsen
Wilhelmsson's codriver: Johnasson


Carles.

Thank you Carles!
and regards Janusz

[FAL]

Routes du Nord - 10th would be Mike (Michael) Butler and Bob De Jong (was his real name Govert?)

[Carles Bosch 02]

Routes du Nord - 10th would be Mike (Michael) Butler and Bob De Jong (was his real name Govert?)

Of course... is Michael (not Michale) Butler. It's been a typo. On Bob de Jong, I think his name is Govert, 'though i don't know for sure.


Carles.

[RiN]

For RiN:
- '65 Rallye Vltava-CSSR
Jan Mohyla

Carles.

Thanks !

Tom

[RiN]

There is (nearly) no end to my list of missing names.
Hope you bear with me :-).....


1961:

Tulpen:
J.... Roestenburg / Margaret McKenzie (Auto Union)
H.... Steunebrink / Klaas Baarendrekt (Jaguar)

Mille Miglia:
Albino Buttichi / N.... Camili (Alfa Romeo)
Gianfranco Bonetto / ?.... Pellizzaro (Alfa Romeo)
Rinaldo Parmiggiani / ?.... Razzuoli (Alfa Romeo)
Armando Zampiero / ?.... Corona (Alfa Romeo)
Piero Frescobaldi / ?.... Sama (Lancia)

Liege:
Francis Charlier / ?.... Jowat (Ford)



1962:

Liege:
Francis Charlier / ?.... Mosbeux (Ford)

Geneve
(Roger?) Meunier / ?.... Grosrey (Jaguar)



1963:

Monte-Carlo:
Roger de Lageneste - C.... du Genestoux (Citroen)

Tulpen:
L.... H.... Bakker - Heinz Umbach (Porsche)

Germany:
Dieter Gerhards - ?.... Henneke (Mercedes)
Wolfgang Köppel - M.... Köppel (BMW)
Helmut Kelleners - ?.... Bocham (Fiat)
Reiner Brechler - M.... Brechler (Volvo)

Sardegna:
Piero Frescobaldi - ?.... Martelli (Abarth)
Mario Casula - T.... Casula (Lancia)
Piero Bagnasacco - ?.... Bonomi (Volvo)
B.... Melis - Walter Cordaro (Alfa Romeo)
Alessandro Sorcinelli - ?.... Binaghi (Morris Cooper)


Tom

[jrally]

Hi Tom,
here what I could find !

1962 - Liège - Francis Charlier-Nicolas Mosbeaux
1963 - Germany - Helmut Kelleners-Ferdi Boekmann (that's what I have)


and what about :

Tulipes - Karl Schottler-J??? Sackl (Jurgen?)
Geneve 62 - Robert Meier-E??? Bechtel

Regards
jorge

[RiN]

Hi Tom,
here what I could find !

1962 - Liège - Francis Charlier-Nicolas Mosbeaux
1963 - Germany - Helmut Kelleners-Ferdi Boekmann (that's what I have)


and what about :

Tulipes - Karl Schottler-J??? Sackl (Jurgen?)
Geneve 62 - Robert Meier-E??? Bechtel

Regards
jorge


Thanks!

I have Jürgen Säckl and Erich Bechtel.


Tom

[jrally]

For those with time to fill over the weekend,
another couple of years with som blanks.


1964:

Fiori:
V.... Bartolini - W.... Bartolini (Alfa Romeo)

Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - W.... Berns (DKW)

Austrian:
Ernst Benedikt - ?.... Herle (Volvo)

Geneve:
Jean-Pierre Meyer - J.... P.... Rutsch (Ford)



1965:

Fiori:
Gianpiero Raffa - ?.... del Monte (Lancia)
Enzo Martoni - ?.... Monti (Lancia)
Dino Morazzoni - ?.... Mona (Lancia)

Vltava:
J.... Vidner - J.... Vylit (Skoda)
Josef Chovanec - J.... Mohyla (Tatra)
Antonin Dolejs - M.... Poldauf (Skoda)


3 Stadte:
Sobieslaw Zasada - ???? (Steyr Puch)
Herbert Kohlweiss - ?.... Martolanz (Alfa Romeo)
Günther Schorn - H.... Pail (Steyr Puch)
H.... Füss - A.... Wendlinger (Porsche)

RAC:
Sten Lundin - ???? (VW)


Tom

Hi Tom,
Some more I was able to find :

64 Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - Wolfram Berns (DKW)

65 3 Stadt
Günther Schorn - Hans Pail (Steyr Puch)

2 questions :
Austria 64 - the complete name of Schindler's co-driver, Naber ?
Alpes 65 - the complete name of Vinatier's co-driver, Melot (Hubert?) ?

Thanks
regards
jorge

[jrally]

Hi Janusz,
Thanks for the names !

Here what I was able to find for you !

1971
Semperit
Carl Christian Schindler / Gustav Hruschka
7th Walter Poltinger-Hans Hartinger Porsche 911 S
Gernot Fischer / Wolfgang Tazl

1972
Baltic
Paul Olsen / Kartsen Richardt
Henning Christensen / Poul-Erik Moller
John Haugland / Arild Antonsen
Tommy Wilhelmsson / Arne Johansson


Regards
jorge

[jrally]

Some missing names from 1960

Tulip - Johnnie Boardman-J???? Withworth
Acropolis - Wolfgang Levy-J?? H?? Boekhout
Acropolis - ???? Buch-???? Zimmermann
Liège-Rome-Liège - Christian Poirot-???? Guillemin
Liège-Rome-Liège - ???? Bichat-Claude Marbaque
RAC - Ian 'Tiny' Lewis-G??? S??? Sheppard

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Hi Tom,
Some more I was able to find :

64 Tulpen:
Kurt Pfnier - Wolfram Berns (DKW)

65 3 Stadt
Günther Schorn - Hans Pail (Steyr Puch)

2 questions :
Austria 64 - the complete name of Schindler's co-driver, Naber ?
Alpes 65 - the complete name of Vinatier's co-driver, Melot (Hubert?) ?

Thanks
regards
jorge

Again, thanks !

I have Fritz Naber and Hubert Melot.


Tom

[RiN]

Some missing names from 1960

Tulip - Johnnie Boardman-J???? Withworth
Acropolis - Wolfgang Levy-J?? H?? Boekhout
Acropolis - ???? Buch-???? Zimmermann
Liège-Rome-Liège - Christian Poirot-???? Guillemin
Liège-Rome-Liège - ???? Bichat-Claude Marbaque
RAC - Ian 'Tiny' Lewis-G??? S??? Sheppard

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge


I have Otto Linzenburg as Levy's co-driver at Acropolis '60.
And Bichat's first name I have as Francois.


Tom

[januszsz]

Hi Janusz,
Thanks for the names !

Here what I was able to find for you !

1971
Semperit
Carl Christian Schindler / Gustav Hruschka
7th Walter Poltinger-Hans Hartinger Porsche 911 S
Gernot Fischer / Wolfgang Tazl

1972
Baltic
Paul Olsen / Kartsen Richardt
Henning Christensen / Poul-Erik Moller
John Haugland / Arild Antonsen
Tommy Wilhelmsson / Arne Johansson


Regards
jorge

Thank you Jorge!
There is one misunderstanding or I have wrong driver in 8th. I have in 8th Georg Fischer (VW 1302S) missing co-driver, Gernot Fischer (VW 1302S) with Wolfgang Tazl I have in 5th. Do you know who was in 8th or if Georg Fischer is OK, let me know his co-driver, please. One Question more on Semperit'71: do you know first names of 4th: ... Walch / ... Rothfuss (Porsche 911 S)?
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Thank you Jorge!
There is one misunderstanding or I have wrong driver in 8th. I have in 8th Georg Fischer (VW 1302S) missing co-driver, Gernot Fischer (VW 1302S) with Wolfgang Tazl I have in 5th. Do you know who was in 8th or if Georg Fischer is OK, let me know his co-driver, please. One Question more on Semperit'71: do you know first names of 4th: ... Walch / ... Rothfuss (Porsche 911 S)?
Regards
Janusz

Thanks Tom !

Janusz,
8th Vic Dietmayer-Hans Peter Moser in a BMW 2002 Ti

Manfred Walch-Johann Rothfuss

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

One question,

Who co-drove Carl Schindler in Austria 66 ?

Thanks
jorge

[jrally]

I have Otto Linzenburg as Levy's co-driver at Acropolis '60.
And Bichat's first name I have as Francois.


Tom

Tom,
I have from a report of british magazine 'Motor' that the co-driver of Levy was Bockhoud ...

Who give us a help to know who, in fact, was his co-driver ? Dimitris ?

Best regards
jorge

[DIMI44]

Some missing names from 1960
Acropolis - Wolfgang Levy-J?? H?? Boekhout
Acropolis - ???? Buch-???? Zimmermann
Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

H' ACROPOLIS RALLY 1960 Results

3.No 92.W.LEVY / H.WALTER Auto Union 1000
..........................
..........................
8.No 7.Dr. HELMUT BUSCH / ZIMMERMAN Porsche 1600

Rgds
Dimitris

[januszsz]

Thanks Tom !

Janusz,
8th Vic Dietmayer-Hans Peter Moser in a BMW 2002 Ti

Manfred Walch-Johann Rothfuss

Best regards
jorge
Thank you Jo!
Sorry I can't help you with CC Schindler's co-driver (Alpenfahrt'66) as I have an empty space instead.
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

H' ACROPOLIS RALLY 1960 Results

3.No 92.W.LEVY / H.WALTER Auto Union 1000
..........................
..........................
8.No 7.Dr. HELMUT BUSCH / ZIMMERMAN Porsche 1600

Rgds
Dimitris

Thank You very much, Dimitris !

3 persons, 3 different co-drivers !!!

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

One question which is history now ....

Does someone where I can find the final complete results of Rallyes Yalta and Georgia of this year ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[januszsz]

One question which is history now ....

Does someone where I can find the final complete results of Rallyes Yalta and Georgia of this year ?

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

Jo, are you sure that Georgia Rally was held? I am afraid there was only armoured brigades rally on Georgia and it was won by Red Army ;(
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Jo, are you sure that Georgia Rally was held? I am afraid there was only armoured brigades rally on Georgia and it was won by Red Army ;(
Regards
Janusz

I think You are right, Janusz !
But as I see it on FIA events list (which is actualized) I wanted to be sure !

And what about Yalta ? They have a english part of the site but they allways forget to publish the final classification .... I try all the items in cirilic but I'm not able to find them .....

To the organizers if they read this .....
Is it so difficult to publish the classification in the english part of the site ?!?!

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

One question,

Who co-drove Carl Schindler in Austria 66 ?

Thanks
jorge


The German quarterly magazine MOTOR REVUE gives Naber as Schindler's co-driver. BUT, I for one, do not think they were among the first ten, although I have a source, MOTORÅRET, which says so.
In Martin Pfundner's book DIE ALPENFAHRT 1910-1970, which I have found very reliable, the author says on page 145:

'Grosse Anerkennung verdient auch der kleine Skoda 1000 MB, der mit den Fahrern Václav Bobek jun. / V.Rieger auf dem 7. und Oldrich Horsák / Miroslav Fousek auf dem 10. Platz der Gesamtwertung landete.'

The class-results given in MOTOR REVUE correspond with this a long way, as there would have been at least two other cars placed above Schindler / Naber.
So this is what I believe is correct, but prove me wrong, and I'll bite the dust :-)

1.Paddy Hopkirk / Ron Crellin 0 2500,00
2.Gunter Wallrabenstein / Ernst Otto Müller 0 2447,41
3.Alfred Burkhardt / Otto Koch-Bodes 0 2218,87
4.Herbert Kleint / Günther Klapproth 1 2102,30
5-E.Buchbauer-Geri Brandstetter 2 2115,97
6-Helmuth Klomfart-Ernst Marquart 3 2170,16
7-Václav Bobek-Vojtech Rieger 3 2114,72
8-Gernot Fischer-Franz Mauerhofer 5 2322,83
9-Alois Wiener-Antonie Wiener 6 2330,44 or 2282,83
10-Oldrich Horsak / Miroslav Fousek ???

König / Thaler 6 2249,71
Lieskonig / Hörmann 7 2037,73
Schindler / Naber 8 2379,95

Tom

[jrally]

Thanks Tom,

when we think that we have accurate results there it comes another classification. But that's also why these things are interesting and funny ! Because we have to restart again all the researchs.

The problem is allways 'What source should I trust ? "
For instance, regarding Tulipen 67 you've trust MOTORÅRET but in this You trust more in MOTOR REVUE.

Sometimes we found a result in a magazine and because we don't have another alternative source we allways claim 'That's the correct one' and we told everyone that ... but many times it isn't ...

I think results from 50 and 60 are a little bit like that !

Best regards
jorge

[RiN]

Thanks Tom,

when we think that we have accurate results there it comes another classification. But that's also why these things are interesting and funny ! Because we have to restart again all the researchs.

The problem is allways 'What source should I trust ? "
For instance, regarding Tulipen 67 you've trust MOTORÅRET but in this You trust more in MOTOR REVUE.

Sometimes we found a result in a magazine and because we don't have another alternative source we allways claim 'That's the correct one' and we told everyone that ... but many times it isn't ...

I think results from 50 and 60 are a little bit like that !

Best regards
jorge


True.
Regarding reliable sources, after reseraching for a while, you get a feeling of who/what to trust. But when you've got three different sources where there's no indication that they have copied each other, and two of them fits in with each other, you tend to belive that's right, although it's no proof.

It seems like it's only a handful of us here that's interested in this '50/'60's stuff. Maybe we should pool our findings, and where there's differences we could discuss our respective sources and maybe end up with the most likely result. If not all, at least some problems could be ironed out that way.


Tom

[januszsz]

I am looking for a list of Swedish Rally Champions of 50's (was it held in 50's?) and then of 60's and 70's. Anybody can help me? (more result than just the winners wellcomed).
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

I am looking for a list of Swedish Rally Champions of 50's (was it held in 50's?) and then of 60's and 70's. Anybody can help me? (more result than just the winners wellcomed).
Regards
Janusz

1965:

1. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina GT/Lotus 29
2. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 25
4. Björn Waldegård, VW 1500/1600 24
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 21
6. Ove Andersson, Saab Sport 20
7. Berndt Jansson, Renault Gordini 20
8. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 18
9. Lars Krall, BMC Cooper 17
10.Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 14


1966:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 35
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 30
4. Leif Nilsson, VW 1600 28
5. Bertil Söderström, Opel Rekord 24
6. Ryno Larsson, Opel Kadett 21
7. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett 21
8. Bo Johansson, VW 1600 20
=. Carl Carlsson, Opel Rekord 20
10.Bengt Karlsson, VW 1600 15


Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 43
2. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 40
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab Sport 35
4. Håkan Lindberg, Renault Gordini 26
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 24
=. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus 24
7. Ove Andersson, Ford Cortina Lotus 22
8. Björn Waldegård, VW 1600 19
9. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 18
10.Anders Sigurdsson , Saab Sport/Volvo 122S 16


Tom

[januszsz]

1965:

1. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina GT/Lotus 29
2. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 25
4. Björn Waldegård, VW 1500/1600 24
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 21
6. Ove Andersson, Saab Sport 20
7. Berndt Jansson, Renault Gordini 20
8. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 18
9. Lars Krall, BMC Cooper 17
10.Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 14


1966:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 35
3. Lars-Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 30
4. Leif Nilsson, VW 1600 28
5. Bertil Söderström, Opel Rekord 24
6. Ryno Larsson, Opel Kadett 21
7. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett 21
8. Bo Johansson, VW 1600 20
=. Carl Carlsson, Opel Rekord 20
10.Bengt Karlsson, VW 1600 15


Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 43
2. Åke Andersson, Saab Sport 40
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab Sport 35
4. Håkan Lindberg, Renault Gordini 26
5. Harry Källström, BMC Cooper 24
=. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus 24
7. Ove Andersson, Ford Cortina Lotus 22
8. Björn Waldegård, VW 1600 19
9. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 18
10.Anders Sigurdsson , Saab Sport/Volvo 122S 16


Tom
Thank you Tom. I didn't dream top 10 is possible to get. It is interesting if other champions of 60's and 70's are available?
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

1967:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 43
2. Jan Henriksson, Opel Rekord 37
3. Anders Gullberg, Opel Rekord 33
4. Leif Nilsson, Porsche 912 30
5. Albin Griberg, Porsche 912 27
6. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 24
7. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, BMC Cooper 22
8. Hans Avelin, Saab V4 15
9. Olle Bromark, Saab V4 14
10.Bo Johansson, Porsche 912 13

Gr.2:
1. Per Tjerneld, Opel Rekord 36
2. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911 29
3. Tom Trana, Volvo 122S 27
4. Olof Karlberg, Volvo 122S 26
5. Ove Eriksson, Opel Rekord 25
6. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 122S 21
7. Jan Eneqvist, Opel Rekord 20
8. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 15
9. Sylvia Ôsterberg, Renault Gordini 14
10.Ingemar Frohm, Ford Cortina Lotus 12



1968:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord 107
2. Lars Skoglund, Renault Gordini 94
3. Albin Griberg, Porsche 912 75
4. Åke Nilsson, Renault Gordini 75
5. Sune Danielsson, Opel Rekord 66
6. Jan Eric Tonebrand, BMC Cooper 62
7. Christer Bååth, Audi 55
8. Hans Avelin, Opel Rekord 48
9. Jan-Åke Olsson, Opel Rekord 41,5
10.Lars Carlsson, Porsche 912 40

Gr.2:
1. Tom Trana, Saab V4 96
2. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 95
3. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911L 87
4. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 82
5. Anders Kulläng, Opel Rallye Kadett 63
6. Per Eklund, Saab V4 63
7. Bengt Söderström, Ford Cortina Lotus/Escort TC 60
8. Lars Nyström, Porsche 911L 58
9. Åke Andersson, Porsche 911L 58
10.Per Tjerneld, Opel Rallye Kadett 52

[RiN]

1969:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Rekord Sprint/Kadett Rallye 94
2. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 92
3. Lennart Eliasson, BMW 1600 TI 78,5
4. Jan Erik Tonebrand, Opel Kadett Rallye 75
5. Curt Bristam, BMW 1600 TI 73
6. Per-Erikk Eriksson, BMW 1600 TI 73
7. Carl Olov Sahlsten, Opel Kadett Rallye 55
8. Bror Danielsson, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
9. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 41
10.Rune Åhlin, Opel Kadett Rallye 34


Gr.2:
1. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 95
2. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 87
3. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 74
4. Björn Waldegård, Porsche 911 69
5. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 69
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 66
7. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 56
8. Tom Trana, Saab V4 56
9. Per Tjerneld, Vauxhall Viva GT 41
10.Rolf Andersson, Volvo 142S 36



1970:

Gr.1:
1. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Kadett Rallye 102
2. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 94
3. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 91
4. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 TI 76
5. Carl Olov Sahlsten, BMW 2002 TI 67
6. Ove Olsson, BMW 2002 TI 67
7. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 TI 63
8. Hans Olof Wilén, BMW 1600 TI 62
9. Bror Danielsson, Opel Kadett Rallye 41
10.Sylvia Österberg, Opel Kadett Rallye 40

Gr.2:
1. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 104
2. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 96
3. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 84
4. Jan Henriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 68
5. Rolf Andersson, Volvo 142S 68
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 67
7. Lars Carlsson, Volvo 142S 60
8. Stig Larsson, Saab V4 52
9. Håkan Lindberg, Saab V4 47
10.Per Eklund, Saab V4 47

[januszsz]

Tom, you are great! Thank you very much.
Regards
Janusz

[RiN]

1971:

Gr.1:
1. Anders Kulläng, Opel Kadett Rallye 67
2. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Kadett Rallye 52
3. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 50
4. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 46
5. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
6. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Kadett Rallye 44
7. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 42
8. Anders Käll, BMW 2002 40
9. Håkan Lindberg, Fiat 125 33
10.Sylvia Österberg, Opel Kadett Rallye 24

Gr.2:
1. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 69
2. Ove Eriksson, Opel Kadett Rallye 57
3. Per Eklund, Saab V4 54
4. Per Inge Walfridsson, Volvo 142S 50
5. Tom Trana, Saab V4 31
6. Lars Nyström, BMW 2002 25
7. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 142S 25
8. Anders Stenström, Saab V4 19
9. Bert Gustavsson, Ford Escort TC/Volvo 142S 19
10.Lasse Jönsson, Saab V4 18




1972:

Gr.1:
1. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 56
2. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Ascona 53
3. Anders Gullberg, BMW 2002 40
4. Leif Asterhag, BMW 2002 37
5. Arne Allansson, Opel Ascona 36
6. Jan Henriksson, Opel Ascona 33
7. Lars Carlsson, Opel Ascona 31
8. Per-Olof Flogner, Opel Kadett 24
9. Bror Danielsson, Opel Ascona 21
10.Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Ascona 20

Gr.2:
1. Anders Kulläng, Opel Ascona 46
2. Carl Orrenius, Saab V4 43
3. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 35
4. Lars Nyström, Opel Ascona 32
5. Sven Simonsson, Volvo 142S 31
6. Lars Ingvar Ytterbring, Datsun 1600 30
7. Ove Eriksson, Opel Ascona 29
8. Bert Gustavsson, Volvo 142S 28
9. Per Eklund, Saab V4 23
10.Karl-Olof Sahlsten, Opel Ascona 23



1973:

Gr.1:
1. Bror Danielsson, BMW 2002 TII 58
2. Ruben Börjesson, Opel Ascona 43
3. Ingvar Carlsson, BMW 2002 TI 39
4. Bengt Nilsson, Opel Ascona 35
5. Arne Allansson, BMW 2002 TI 28
6. Sylvia österberg, Opel Ascona 28
7. Per Olof Flogner, Opel Ascona 28
8. Roger Eriksson, Opel Ascona 25
9. Erik Johansson, Opel Ascona 23
10.Morgan örneus, Opel Ascona 23

Gr.2:
1. Stig Blomqvist, Saab V4 58
2. Per Eklund, Saab V4 58
3. Lasse Jansson, Saab V4 39
4. Anders Kulläng, Opel Ascona 39
5. Lillebror Nasenius, Opel Ascona 25
6. Curt Göransson, BMW 2002 TI 25
7. Roger Johansson, Saab V4 23
8. Ove Eriksson, Opel Ascona 22
9. Gunnar Blomqvist, Opel Ascona 20
10.Per Inge Walfridsson, Volvo 142S 14

[januszsz]

Excellent job, Tom!
Regards
Janusz

Couldn't find a history section someone told me was in this section ?

so here goes anyway>

need these results - please .

Thx in advance,

[Wim_Impreza]

Please ask your question in the history thread, probably someone can help you. ;) http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128974&page=10

[januszsz]

Couldn't find a history section someone told me was in this section ?

so here goes anyway>

need these results - please .

Thx in advance,
Just only top 6:
1. Jean-Marie Carron/Pierre Schaer-CH-Porsche Carrera RS 3h14m47s
2. Andrzej jaroszewicz/Ryszard Zyszkowski-PL-Lancia Stratos HF 3h17m33s
3. Federico Cane/Gaetano Orlando-I-Fiat 124 Spyder Abarth 3h20m26
4. Eros Medici/Claudio Sannitz-CH-Porsche Carrera RS 3h30m35s
5. Werner Schweizer/Bernd Ostmann-D-Opel Kadett GT/E 3h31m07s
6. Alberto Mella/Giancarlo Borro-I-Alfa Romeo 3h32m54s
... 31 finishers

Regards
Janusz

Thx much Januszsz ,

How about 1976 333 Minuti .

Top 20 ? (or any - starting at top)

Anyone ?

PS - what's the subtitle to find this section on the Forum (i can't - had to back door by searching for my last post in general forum search !!).

Thx , in advance

55spyder

[jirka rk]

Hi, my results of Rallye Lugano 1976:
1. J.M.Carron / P.Schaer CH Porsche Carrera
2. A.Jaroszewicz / R.Żyszkowski PL Lancia Stratos HF
3. F.Cane / G.Orlando CH Fiat 124 Abarth
4. E.Medici / C.Sannitz CH Porsche Carrera
5. W.Schweizer / B.Ostmann Opel Kadett GT/E
6. A.Mella / G-C.Borro Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
7. G.Pozzi / A.Isanz Alfa Romeo 2000 GTV
8. S.Galfetti / G.Bernasconi Opel Ascona
9. F.Gerard / D.Vanoutryve Simca 1000 Rally II
10. M.Romanello / I.Romanello Alfa Romeo Alfasud

Thank you again Januszsz

And thank you also Jirka RK ,

Can either of you provide me with any source of these 1976 Rallye de Lugano Results ?

I know they are correct - but I am needing to prove them to someone beyond any refute.

As the results for this rallye in 1976 (as far as I can tell ) was the differance for the end result of the National Rallye Championship of CH for 1976 !

At their website's Palmares (archives) webpage :

http://www.swissrally.ch/archives/ (go to 1976)


They not only list Andre Savary/ Jean-Robert Corthay as 1st place finishers of this rallye ??? (which in reality - it seems that Savary / Corthay were not even in the top 10 !).

The listed finishes (on THEIR website) of :

3rd - Carl-Ludwig Locher/Ueli Krebs

4th - Raymond Balmer/Michel Roetlisberger

5th - Eros Medici/Claudio Sannitz

Do not seem correct either as (even if they are ONLY listing the Swiss entrant results in their own National Championship series).

In actuality , it looks like Medici /Sannitz should be the correct 2nd place finisher (in their CH Championship).

As again (like Savary) Balmer or Locher , in reality, were not even in top 10 finishers either !!.
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But again (it looks to me) that even more critical is their mistake between finisher #1 & #2 of this rallye .

For the Correct finish of Carron at 1st overall (besides just first of their Swiss Entrants).

Should have made him the actual 1976 CH National Rallye Champion and not Savary ! (as they have listed)

And it would probably also change the final positions of #2 - 5 of this National Championship Series.
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The first overall of finish of Carron agree's not only my other sourced results :


http://www.bilhistorie.no/ (hit "bilsport" at top - then below "1976")


Lugano: Jean-Marie Carron/Sclair – Porsche Carrera RS (actually Schaer)
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But I was also told through a friend of J-M. Carron DIRECTLY - that he was the overall winner of this rallye.

AND long ago I was told he was a consecutive years CH National Rallye Champion (in the mid 70's)

So these fact's also correlate there also.

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So i would very much appreciate Irrefutable evidence of this 1976 lugano results (magazine or newspaper reports ).


PS - again , I am also looking to verify top overall finishers of the 1976 333 Minuti.

I am trying to figure out if j-m. Carron was first overall . Or just first of the Swiss.

From Carron himself - he said first overall (i believe he meant overall period - not just of the Swiss , but i was not there to clarify) .

Thus I am searching for listings or anyones knoledge of Top overall 1976 333 Minuti results.

Because also at:

http://www.bilhistorie.no/ (hit "bilsport" at top - then below "1976")

this result for 1976 333 Minuti is listed :

Winner - 333 Minuti: Adartico Vudafieri/Bonaga – Lancia Stratos HF ????
If anyone can help - please do.

[januszsz]

In my opinion it is possible that only part of Lugano Rally (first day? or first leg) was valid for national championship and just only Swiss drivers were to score points. Results sent by Jirka are the final result of etire international (ERC) rally. I can imagine that Savary was the best Swiss after day 1 then retired next day.
That situation was common during Poland Rally. In 60's only first day was valid for Polish Rally Championship and in 70's and 80's only first day was valid for Peace & Friendship Cup. So why not in Switerland?
It is just only a suggestion. I don't know the truth in fact.
Regards
Janusz

Note-

I was checking to see if anyone replied to my continued post (bored, I guess).

And I noticed a statement I could clarify (since it will not allow me to edit above ?)
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Although these (1976 Lugano) correct results WOULD re-shuffle the top 5 finshers of the 1976 CH Rally Championship series overall.

in this statement :

"In actuality , it looks like Medici /Sannitz should be the correct 2nd place finisher (in their CH Championship)."

I MEANT - it looks like Medici/Sannitz should be the correct 2nd place finsher of THIS RALLY (in their 1976 Championship series).

Thx for the theoritic possibility Januszsz (seems you slipped in there while i was clarifying),

Quite interesting. If anyone knows more and can validate or invalidate - i am trying to get to end truth .

If so , and THAT scoring system is true. Seems more than a bit of crock - give the win (points) to someone who DNF'ed , and second place points to the person who not only was final top finisher of the Swiss.

But overall winner of the Rallye !

(Thought i lost the above post while i was typing - to complete)


Thx for the Theoritic possibility Januszsz,

If anyone knows more (or for certain) - please chime in . I am trying to get to the end truth (i don't speak french - so trying other sources before speaking to CH).

If the above mentioned scoring system possibility is correct . Seems like more than a bit of crock to me.

Give the win (points) to the person who DNF'ed , and the second place points to the person who not only was final top finisher of the Swiss.

But the FINAL overall winner period !

Especially when this result would end up giving the Championship to the DNF'er instead of the overall winner of this event of the Championship series ?

To me that is just too bizzarre.

PS - Januszsz , do you have the final overall results in print from a newspaper or periodical ?

[januszsz]

I have tyop 6 of Lugano Rally '76 in a print version (a press cut of polish daily newspaper). If you need it I can find it and scann.
About your astonishment because of "Give the win (points) to the person who DNF'ed , and the second place points to the person who not only was final top finisher of the Swiss". I understand you but if the rules are like that: national rally goes one day and covers 350km (12 SS= 123km) and just only holders of Swiss licence are eligible for championship points. It is clear that less important championship is shorter and easoer than more imprtant (ERC). The round of Swiss Championship ends in Saturday. It is finished. If any Swiss driver wish to go further and to compete in international rally he can do the second day of rally. In fact such situation creates two winners of the rally as there were two separate rallies done on common route (first day).

regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Hi 55spyder,
I would like to know if You have the final time of André Savary in the national event (if yes, maybe I could find the top 20 you are looking for) and also the date of 333 m rally !

regards
jorge

Thx ,

for the excellent explanation of the 2 separate events at same time
Januszsz !

And yes please , a scan of the clipping would be fantastic (PM'ed you also).
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To JRally ,

I only have what you & Januszsz have kindly provided.

Sorry , I too would like to know the finish of Savary ?

And any help with the 333's (75 & 76) someday ? - please do.
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In Fact , if you guys have anymore CH results from 1975-76.

Looking for these overall results also (don't have dates but these should be in chronological order) - along with the 333's :

1975

Rallye du Vin
Rallye du Court
333 Minuti

1976

Rallye des Neige
Rallye d'Uri (also called Rallye du Gotthard)
Rallye de Court
333 Minuti


Thx again - you guys are the Best !!

55spyder

Sorry - Rallye des "Neiges" , not Neige / (Rally of Snows).

[januszsz]

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s263/champagne_photography/DSCN2202sm_grey2.jpg

this is a press cut from a polish newspaper about Rally Lugano 1976:

"Jaroszewicz and Zyszkowski came second in Rally Lugano"

Polish crew Jaroszewicz and Zyszkowski came second in Rally Lugano, round of European Rally Championship. The overall winner of the rally was Swiss crew Jean Marie Carron / Pierre Schaer, third were Italians Federico Cane and Gaetano Orlando. The route of the rally was 1200km long with 35 special stages. 31 crews from 58 starters finished the rally.

Thx again very much Januszsz .

PS - in case you do not recognise Rallye du Vin (earlier version of Rallye du Valais).

From first in 1960 to 1983 , it was Rallye du Vin.

"Rallye du Vin" became "Vin et Valais" in 1984.

Then became "Rallye Du Valais" in 1985, and then on till now.

From the Rallye du Valais website:



"Le Rallye International du Valais a été organisé pour la première fois en septembre 1960 dans le cadre d'une manifestation régionale,Son fondateur, Philippe Simonetta, marchand de vin et passionné de rallye (il a participé à l'époque au fameux Rallye de Monte Carlo) voulait faire découvrir aux pilotes automobiles une facette différente de leur sport. La géographie de la région offrait un terrain idéal pour l'organisation d'un rallye.


La course s’appelait alors "Le Rallye du Vin" et bénéficiait du soutien d'autres marchands de vin valaisans. Elle prit rapidement de l'ampleur tout en restant fidèle à son appellation et à sa philosophie:
- La découverte de la région, de son vignoble et de ses vins
Un concours oenologique clôturait les épreuves sportives.


Jusqu'en 1975, sous la conduite - entre autres - de deux autres directeurs de Course, également négociants en vins (Jean-Pierre Favre durant cinq ans et Jacques-Alphonse Orsat pendant une année), le Rallye du Vin était la manifestation touristique et sportive à ne pas manquer.



A partir de 1976, sous la direction de Pierre-Antoine Gschwend et avec le soutien de l'Ecurie 13 Etoiles - la plus importante de l’époque -, l'aspect touristique laissait place à une épreuve automobile purement sportive qui accéda rapidement à des Championnats Internationaux.



Ainsi, dès 1980, le Rallye du Vin était intégré au Championnat d'Europe, d'abord avec le coefficient 1, puis le coefficient 2 l'année suivante. De nombreux pilotes étrangers venaient y faire leurs classes. Des rallymen de renom ont pris part à l'épreuve, parmi lesquels Per Eklund, Jimmy McRae, Jean Ragnotti, Guy Colsoul, Sepp Haider, Harald Demuth, Patrick Snijers, Robert Droogmans, Bruno Thiry, etc.


Le nom même du Rallye évoluait: de 1981 à 1984 il s'appelait "Rallye International du Vin et du Valais" et dès 1985, "Rallye International du Valais". Cette nouvelle dénomination n'associait plus le vin et la conduite sur route et permettait aux férus de géographie de situer dans l'espace (la Suisse en général et le Valais en particulier) la manifestation phare du sport automobile Suisse."

[jrally]

Hello 55Spyder,

Here what I cound find about André Savary !

Regarding the Lugano Rally 1976 I have this classification (with reserves) :

1-André Savary-Jean Robert Corthay Porsche Carrera RS 1.50.44
2-Jean Marie Carron-Pierre Schaer Porsche Carrera RS 1.51.36
3-Karl-Ludwig Locher-Ueli Krebs Opel Kadett GT/E 1.56.20
4-Eros Medici-Claudio Sannitz Porsche Carrera RS 2.02.16
5-Raymond Balmer-Michel Roethlisberger Mini 1275 GT 2.02.54
6-Mathias Schreier-Max Graf Alpine Renault A 110-1600 S 2.03.20
7-Secondo Spaccio-Tiziano Merzari Opel Ascona 2.04.42
8-Michel Scemana-Tony Baretta Opel Kadett GT/E 2.05.45
9-Willy Bregnard-Jean François Buehler Fiat 124 Abarth 2.06.00
10-Claude Hotz-Philippe Jeannin Simca Rally 2 2.06.09

This was the classification of Rally National (as Janusz said looking the final times - see that in the International Rally final time of the winner was 3.14.47 - it should be disputed in the final of first leg or second).
In the International classification (according italian magazine Autosprint) he finnished second but a complain of Jaroszewicz (Savary has made one intervention in the car against the rules) he was penalized and finnished 31th overall.

After seeing Autosprint and Auto-Hebdo I haven't find any other news regarding the swiss championship.
Although I've found these other results :

1971 - Monte Carlo (he was the co-driver of Claude Haldi in a Porsche 911 S and they retired with engine problems - culburator)

1976 - finnished 3th overall in the french rally Mont Blanc in a Porsche Carrera RS with Jean Robert Corthay) and 5h in the Ronde du Vercors (also in France) with the same car and navigator.

1976
3th in Rally du Mont Blanc (Porsche Carrera RS) Jean Robert Corthay
5th Ronde du Vercors (Porsche Carrera RS) Jean Robert Corthay
3th Rally Coppa Liburna (Porsche Carrera RS) Jean Robert Corthay

1977
2nd in Rally du Mont Blanc (Porsche Carrera RS) Jean Robert Corthay
5th Rally Coppa Liburna (Porsche 934 Turbo) Jean Robert Corthay
13th in Rally Ypres and winner of group 3 (Porsche Carrera RS) co-driver Marc Duez ?

That's what I could find ! Hope it helps !
Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

one correction ...

In 1977 it wasn't the Ypres Rally but the Boucles of SPA !

Jorge

JRally ,

Yes your 76 Lugano (CH National Results ) are same as CH Championship's website archives . Only they show no Wiily Bregbard/ Jean-Francois Buhler results ?

Strange as I know Bregnard & Buhler and in 1976 I do not know . But in 1977

they WERE running and using a Fiat 124 Abarth Spyder:

1977 Rallye de Monte Carlo

Bregnard/Meraldi - 42nd overall , 16th Group 4 (Car # 87 - Fiat 124 Abarth)


J-F. Buhler / Marice Jacot - DNF Group. 1 (Car # 183 / VW Golf)

& possibly 2 Fiat/Abarths owned as:

1977 Rallye "Ronde Cevenole"

6th overall : Willy Bregnard / Maurice Jacot # 22 - Fiat 124 Abarth / Ecurie des 3 Chevrons
7th or 8th ? overall : Jean-Francois Buhler / Jacques Meraldi # 23 - Fiat 124 Abarth

Unless Ronde Cevenole was a hillclimb ? (i don't think so ?) , and they switched numbers - using the same car

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ANYWAY ,

One thing I do know is that in 1976 (and 1975 ) Andre Savary was using a 1974 Carrera RS 3.0 (Red) . And J-M. Carron was using a 1973 Carrera 2.7 (white)

PS - If you can help with the results (overall of full rallyes - if any were 2 parts/ Ch National AND International like 76 Lugano was)

Of the 6 remaining from 1975 & 1976 that I need results from (listed some posts back).

We have no Group classifications for the 76 Lugano European Round results for the 10 finishers listed ?

And if you came up with Savary at 31st , do you have places 11th -30th in between ?

Thx again

55spyder

[jrally]

Hello,

Unfortunately I don't have the complete results of the International Rally (just top-ten) and the information I told you was in the report of Italian magazine 'Autosprint' ! If You want I scan it for You, please send me a PM with your mail. I will send You also the results of National rally which as I told You (final times will help a lot) don't know if they are the final results.

Best regards
jorge

thx Jrally,

sent you a PM

[ReWind]

@kabouter:
According to Czech website http://www.ewrc-results.com/search.php
these are dates of rally drivers & co-drivers from the
Czech Republic:
Václav Arazim, b. 17 February 1955
Martin Barták, b. 14 February 1967
Josef Bartončík, b. 17 March 1976
Vladimír Barvík, b. 19 March 1971
Daniel Bĕhálek, b. 04 August 1971
Alena Benešová, b. 20 January 1969
Antonín Berger, b. 13 July 1970
Tomáš Bičák, b. 09 September 1969
František Blahout, b. 21 December 1952
Jiří Boček, b. 13 March 1964
Oldřich Boček, b. 19 May 1974
Vlastimil Brůzl, b. 12 December 1963
Petr Brynda, b. 03 July 1981
Miroslav Cais, b. 17 April 1970
Petr Černohorský jun., b. 26 September 1966
Pavel Červenka, b. 22 September 1978
Milan Chvojka, b. 23 November 1959
Hana Chvojková, b. 18 March 1960
Zuzana Chvojková, b. 30 March 1983
Véroslav Cvrček, b. 20 July 1962
Miroslava Cvrčková, b. 10 August 1968
Milan Dolák, b. 23 January 1955
Vladimír Dolínek, b. 07 February 1974
Pavel Dresler, b. 23 June 1986
Miroslav Fanta, died on 06 May 2007
Michal Fiala, b. 03 April 1981
Tomáš Fiala, b. 24 December 1971
Miroslav Fišer, b. 15 October 1953
Julius Gál, b. 03 January 1959
Miroslav Hanzlík, b. 29 May 1970
Tomáš Heidenreich, b. 11 September 1966
Karel Holaň, b. 27 March 1957
Jaroslav Holý, b. 17 October 1975
Emil Horniaček, b. 03 April 1966
Vít Houšť, b. 18 November 1980
Lenka Hriadeľová, b. 25 July 1973
Stanislav Kafka, b. 28 January 1960
Jan Klokočka, b. 26 November 1960
Martin Knajzl, b. 05 May 1974
Milan Kneifel, b. 13 December 1970
Roman Konečný, b. 20 January 1972
Ladislav Křeček, b. 26 August 1950
Martin Křeček, b. 01 March 1971
Petr Křížek, b. 05 May 1971
Hanka Křížková, b. 16 July 1968
Jiří Kulhán, b. 22 March 1958
Jindřich Kunc, b. 20 December 1968
Pavel Kundrát, b. 27 January 1977
Billy Latif, b. 15 September 1970
Jiří Línek, b. 25 March 1954
Stanislav Máša, b. 12 February 1964
Silvestr Mikuláštík, b. 11 December 1976
Dalibor Moravec, b. 09 May 1961
Radoslav Nešpor, b. 24 April 1963
Richard Nesvadba, b. 22 September 1972
Antonín Novák, b. 07 February 1977
Petr Novák, b. 17 January 1976
Libor Ocelík, b. 18 July 1963
Pavel Okrajek, b. 30 November 1965
Pavel Ondrejčík, b. 21 September 1970
Jaroslav Orsák, b. 18 July 1984
Štĕpán Palivec, b. 13 March 1974
Pavel Pašek, b. 01 November 1976
Jiří Pech, b. 23 June 1957
Josef Peták, b. 05 December 1959
Jana Pluhařová, b. 07 September 1976
František Poláček, b. 12 September 1961
Petr Poulík, b. 04 September 1971
Milan Pražák, b. 21 June 1961
Václav Pritzl, b. 27 May 1962
Zdeňka Rajchmanová, b. 20 May 1959
Pavel Řihák, b. 08 May 1959
Petr Řihák, b. 07 July 1965
Tomáš Singer, b. 10 June 1962
Miroslav Šlambora, b. 11 April 1969
David Soviar, b. 07 February 1974
Vojtĕch Štajf, b. 09 March 1974
Jaroslav Starý, b. 17 April 1967
Jan Štĕpánek, b. 12 July 1973
František Synáč, b. 04 March 1972
Viktor Szabó, b. 23 July 1978
Miloslav Talaváňa (note spelling!), b. 09 February 1972
Jiří Tošovský, b. 31 October 1967
Karel Trnĕný, b. 18 September 1973
Petr Trnovec, b. 06 October 1969
Jiří Trojan, b. 21 January 1957
Eva Trojanová, b. 04 August 1965
Kateřina Trojanová, b. 18 February 1977
Marcel Tuček, b. 31 March 1960
Petr Uhel, b. 08 December 1976
Karel Vajík, b. 18 January 1970
Jaroslav Váňa, b. 24 December 1970
Jaroslav Vančík, b. 12 January 1974
Lýdie Vičíková, b. 17 February 1973
Milan Vítek, b. 02 February 1968
Petr Vlašín, b. 25 March 1964
Dan (full name: Daniel) Vodička, b. 14 May 1977
Jiří Volf, b. 20 August 1973
Ondřej Volf, b. 10 August 1963
Jan Votava, b. 31 October 1971
Zdenĕk Vrbecký, b. 20 March 1978
Karel Žáček, b. 17 February 1979
Petr Zedník, b. 16 April 1960

[jrally]

Hi,

Once I'm not able to send You this, here what I could find till now ! Hope it helps !

Jean Marie Carron

1975
1st Rallye du Vin (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye de Court (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye 333 m (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1976
1st Rally Lugano (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer (International)
2nd Rally Lugano (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer (National)

6th Critérium Lucien Bianchi (Porsche Carrera RS) c/Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye D’Uri (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye de Court (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
1st Rallye 333 m (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
2nd Rallye des Neiges (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1977
3th 24 Heures de Ypres (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer
4th Rallye Coppa Liburna (Porsche Carrera RS) c/ Pierre Schaer

1979
1st Rallye de Vaud (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Pierre-André Jaquemet

1981
4th Rally du Vin (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
3rd Rallye du Mont Blanc (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
2nd Rallye des 13 Etoiles (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
1st Rallye Reichstadt (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
1st Rallye Coppa Liburna (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi
2nd Rallye de Court (Porsche 911 SC) c/ Ugo Rattazzi

1982
5th Rallye della Lana (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Ugo Rattazzi
7th Rallye du Vin (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Ugo Rattazzi
1st Critérium Jurassien (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/ Ugo Rattazzi

1983
6th Rallye della Lana (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/Serge Racine

1984
8th Rallye du Vin (Porsche 930 Turbo) c/ Laurent Lattion

1985
1st Critérium Jurassien (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
3rd Rallye du Salève (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
4th Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion
1st Rallye Reichstadt (Audi Quattro) c/ Laurent Lattion

1986
AB Critérium Jurassien (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (?)
7th Rallye Genf-Salève (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
7th Rallye de Lugano (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
6th Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye della Lana (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (cardan)
? Rallye Baden-Wurtemberg (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (2nd Group A)
5th Rallye St-Cergue (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
6th Rallye de Court (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye du Valais (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine (boite de vitesses)

1987
7th Rallye du Valais (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
2nd Critérium Jurassien (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine
AB Rallye Bad-Wurtemberg (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (cardan)
4th Rallye de Genève-Salève (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye Lugano (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (moteur)
2nd Rallye di Varese (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
2nd Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
4th Rallye St-Cergue (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/ Serge Racine
AB Rallye de Court (Volkswagen Golf Gti 16v) c/Serge Racine (pont)

1989
6th Critérium Jurassien (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ ? Maire
10th Rallye Genéve-Saleve ((Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ ? Maire
5th Rallye du Valais (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/Serge Racine

1990
6th Rallye du Valais (Lancia Delta HF Integrale) c/ Christian Monnet

1993
9th Rallye della Lana (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
3rd Critérium Jurassien (Ford Sierra RS Cosworth) c/ Serge Racine

1994
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet

1995
2nd Rallye Alsace Vosges (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/Christian Monnet
3rd Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/Serge Racine

1996
5th Rallye du Valais (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Marie Jeanne Carron
2nd Critérium Jurassien (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
1st Rallye dei Laghi (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
2nd Rallye des Alpes Vaudoises (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Christian Monnet
4th Rallye St-Cergue (Ford Escort RS Cosworth) c/ Marie Jeanne Carron


I've some doubts regarding 1989, if it's Jean Marie or any other Carron. I just put it because he had participated in the Valais Rally with a Lancia Delta Integrale. So, be cautious .. If it's him, do You know the complete name of his co-driver, Maire ?

Regarding the 70's, not to much material ... just try, as You've done, get the final classifications of http://www.swissrally .

In most part of the international rallyes outside Switzerland I provide the final classification in that championship and not overall positions.

I will try to see what I could find regarding 90-97 ...

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

Does soemone knows the following items (place of birth (p), date of birth (d), year of first rally (y) and first car (c) of :

Reinhard Hainbach (y+c)
Bert de Jong (c)
Helmut Polensky (y+c)
Donald Morley (d)
Klaus Russling (p+d+y+c)
Kalevi Aho (p)
Erwin Doctor (p+d+y+c)
Marc Soulet (p+y+c)
Cyril Henny (p)
Carsten Johansson (p+y+c)
Stefan Brugger (p+d+y+c)
Paul Colteloni (p+d+y+c)
Hans Walter (y+c)
Gunter Janger (d+y+c)
Claude Haldi (y+c)
Walter Smolej (p+y+c)
Andrzej Jaroszewicz (y+c)
Brian Nelson (p+d+y+c)
Manfred Hero (p+y+c)
Philippe Roux (y+c)
Bert Dolk (p+d+y+c)
Cahal Curley (p+d+y+c)
Jean Marie Carron (p+y+c)
Tomasz Ciecierzynski (p+y+c)
Rainer Altenheimer (p+d+y+c)

and some more recent :
Ferenc Kiss (p+d+y+c)
István Rado (p+d+y+c)
Per Svan (y+c)
Ian Greer (p+d+y+c)
Margus Murakas (c)
Hans Stacey (p+y+c)
Ali Deveci (c)
Mark Breijer (p+c)
Martin Knajzl (c)
Eddie Horbing (p+y+c)
Ilia Tsarski (y+c)
Mirko Martinovic (c)
Eric Wewers (c)
Radim Spurek (p+d+y+c)
Csaba Spitzmuller (c)
Pascal Achen (c)
Jan de Winkel (p+y+c)
Olivier Gillet (c)
Vlodimir Petrenko (p+d+y+c)
Tomaz Kaucic (p+d+y+c)
Radoslav Kozlekov (p+d+y+c)
Aleksandr Saliuk (p+d+y+c)
Tomislav Cilencek (p+d+y+c)
Manu Guigou (p+d+y+c)
Yuri Protasov (p+d+y+c)
Bernd Casier (p+y+c)

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[urabus-denoS2000]

Does soemone knows the following items (place of birth (p), date of birth (d), year of first rally (y) and first car (c) of :


Tomaz Kaucic (p+d+y+c)

Tomislav Cilencek (p+d+y+c)



Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

Kaučič : first car Renault Clio S1600 (not sure)

Cilenšek : 23.5.1976,first rally in 2000 INA Delta Rally,Peugeot 106

[jrally]

Thanks, urabus-denoS2000 !

Best regards
jorge

[januszsz]

I am afraid Jorge, that asking for date of birth you know the year diver was born. I can add only birthyears of few drivers you asked:
Morley 1931, Russling 1941, Coltelloni 1921, Janger 1942.
Years of debutes: de Jong 1986, Hörbing 1979, de Winkel 1988.
About Jaroszewicz I have an interview with him and he says he started rallying as he only got a driving licence at age of 16 (so 1962 and no car mentioned). As far as I know it was not possible to do "real" rallies until you get a rally licence. It was possible after a practice in "open" rallies (more fun than sport a kind of slalom or gymkhana). I believe he got rally licence as fast as possible and he did few regional rallies (still no car mentioned). The first rally in Polish Rally Championship he claims to be a Winter Rally based in Rzeszow. So it was 1964 and car was polish made Syrena.
About Ciecierzynski. He started as as a co-driver in 1964. In Polish Rally Championship he apppeared as a driver in 1973 (Alfa Romeo 1750).
One more note: according to Ukrainian language Petrenko's first name should be Volodymyr.
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Thank You very much, Janusz !

regards
jorge

[jrally]

And about these ones ?

Andreas Mikkelsen (p)
Mads Ostberg (p+c)

Thanks in advance
best regards
jorge

[wotaguy]

hi can any one help, with info on this rally,hunsruck rally i spectated on .entry list results, and phots if possible, i know weber .,beat demuth, and i have a few pics, but turn to you guys to offer help, thanks in advance :)

[Carles Bosch 02]

hi can any one help, with info on this rally,hunsruck rally i spectated on .entry list results, and phots if possible, i know weber .,beat demuth, and i have a few pics, but turn to you guys to offer help, thanks in advance :)

From 'Audi Sport / World of Rallying 6':

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/662/83hunsrckrallyehj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Carles.

[wotaguy]

thank you carles, i found a pic of petersen, cheers andy :)

[Kaps]

Tjeerd, (or anyone else who knows this) could you please post here or send me the locations of starts & finishes for the last 5 rallies of the 2007 WRC and the whole 2008?

Thank you!

[Wim_Impreza]

I have also a question: Who was 29th in final classification of 23° Rally Internazionale San Martino di Castrozza in 2003? This was the 7th round for the Italian Rally Championship 2003 and the 26th round for the European Rally Championship 2003 (coefficient 5).

Was it #31 Pierleonardo Bancher/Giandomenico Longo with a Subaru Impreza WRX (N4) or #53 Luca Gobbo/Giorgio Simoni with a Citroën Saxo VTS (A6)?

Thank you very much in advance.

[harriswrc]

I have also a question: Who was 29th in final classification of 23° Rally Internazionale San Martino di Castrozza in 2003? This was the 7th round for the Italian Rally Championship 2003 and the 26th round for the European Rally Championship 2003 (coefficient 5).

Was it #31 Pierleonardo Bancher/Giandomenico Longo with a Subaru Impreza WRX (N4) or #53 Luca Gobbo/Giorgio Simoni with a Citroën Saxo VTS (A6)?

Thank you very much in advance.From my archives (Final Classification) I can say it was GOBBO Luca/ SIMONI Giorgio Citroën Saxo Vts A6

[Wim_Impreza]

Thank you, Harris.

[Tigger9232]

can somebody help with the entrylist and / results of the Rally il Ciocco e Valle de Serchio 1981 ?

Thanks in advance
Stefanie

[Carles Bosch 02]

can somebody help with the entrylist and / results of the Rally il Ciocco e Valle de Serchio 1981 ?

Thanks in advance
Stefanie


I've only found this:

http://rallybase.motorsportforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2133&stc=1&d=1231056636



Carles.

[Loris A+]

Please help me with this results

1950 Sestriere 21- 22 January

Started 132 Arrived ? 2910 km

1° Emilio Christillin / Sandro Fiorio Lancia Aurelia GT
2° Emanuele Nasi / ? ? Fiat 1500 E
3° Emanuele Sartorio / ? ? Fiat 500 C
4° ? Ymot / ? ? Panhard Dyna
5° ? Locatelli / ? ? Studebacker
6° Ken Wharton / JJ. Langelaan Ford Pilot V8
7° ? ?
8° ? ?
9° ? ?
10° ? ?

1951 Sestriere date ???
Started ? Arrived ? Km ?]
Firts 10 place

1952 Sestriere ? - ? February

Started ? Arrived ? Km ?
]1° Gino Valenzano / Mario Poltronieri Lancia Aurelia B20
2° H. von Der Muhle/ ? Guilleaume Porsche 356 Coupè
3° Helmuth Polensky / Graf von Berkleim Porsche 356 Coupè
4° ? Bertone / ? Reynaldi Lancia Aurelia
5° R. Priodi / ?. Frajria Lancia Aurelia
6° ?. Fusar Poli / ?. Zagato Lancia Aurelia
7° Ferdinando Gatta / ? . Orlandi Fiat 1400
8° ? ? / ? ? ?
9° ? ? / ? ? ?
10° ?? / ?? ?

Sestriere date ????
1)Gert Seibert/A. Holz – Citroen 15/6,
2). Scala/Mazzone – Lancia ??
3). Damonte/Marsaglia – Lancia ???
4). Valenzano/Sponsetti – Lancia ??
5). Maranzana/Carlotti – Panhard ???
6). Emilio Christillin/Sandro Fiorio – Lancia ????
7). Ferdinando Gatta/Orlandi – lancia Aurelia
8)???/??? ???
9)???/??? ???
10)??/??? ???

Thanks in advance
sorry for very bad english :eek:

[Kaps]

Tjeerd, are you around?

[Tigger9232]

Thanks Charles Bosch 02.

I saw a Drivercard ( normally in the rearwindow to show Driver and Co driver ) from Michele Cinotto in a Audi there, so my hope was to find out a bit more about place or retirement of him.

Regards
Stefanie

[jrally]

Thanks Charles Bosch 02.

I saw a Drivercard ( normally in the rearwindow to show Driver and Co driver ) from Michele Cinotto in a Audi there, so my hope was to find out a bit more about place or retirement of him.

Regards
Stefanie

Hi Tigger9232 !
This weekend I will try to find what You're looking for !

Best regards
Jorge

[jrally]

Stefanie, please, send me a PM with your mail that I was able to find what you were looking for !

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

Thanks Charles Bosch 02.

I saw a Drivercard ( normally in the rearwindow to show Driver and Co driver ) from Michele Cinotto in a Audi there, so my hope was to find out a bit more about place or retirement of him.

Regards
Stefanie


Stefanie,
Michele Cinotto and Emilio Radaelli were number 10 but they went off road even before the rally start. If interests Reg. Nº IN NW61 !

Best regards
jorge

[kabouter]

Tjeerd, are you around?

Hello all,

I'm still alive :) Had a very eventful several months and with accepting a new job starting in February and having to move to the other side of the country on very short notice, it's going to be very busy in the next period as well.

Because I know how much of my time RallyBase takes up when I'm working on it, I had to decide on my priorities. And I decided that finally finishing my studies and making sure of finding an interesting job with which I am going to be able to support myself for the foreseeable future was the most important thing. So I made the decision not to be side-tracked and I have temporarily stopped working on the website. Once the dust has settled I'm sure I'll have spare time again, and then I can devote that time to RallyBase (and other rally-related research).

Apologies to everyone that used RallyBase to keep track of the more recent results - and to everyone who's e-mail has not been answered yet. I'll return to RallyBase and try to work my way through the backlog.

Have a great 2009!

[Tigger9232]

Stefanie,
Michele Cinotto and Emilio Radaelli were number 10 but they went off road even before the rally start. If interests Reg. Nº IN NW61 !

Best regards
jorge

Thanks Jorge, that helps a lot

went off BEFORE the Rallye starts??
Not really a good day for them.

best Regards Stefanie

[jrally]

Good evening and and a fantastic year of 2009 for all !

I would like to know if someone can help me to find some old rally results of the Swedish Rally Championship :

1991
Rallye Gastrikland - 6th to 10th and the co-driver of Per Eklund
Rallye Silvernatten - 4th to 10th
Rallye Sapa - 2nd to 10th
Rallye Snapphane - 2nd to 10th
Rallye Globe - 2nd to 10th

1992
Rallye Begslags - 4th to 10th
Rallye Vannas - 2nd to 10th
Rallye Uppland - 5th to 10th
Rallye Rejme - 7th to 10th

1994
Rallye Varmland - 6th to 10th
Rallye Rejme - 7th to 10th

1995
Rallye Hans Persson Pokalen - 6th to 10th
Rallye Gold - 7th to 10th
Rallye Sapa - 2nd to 10th

2005
Rallye Snow - top-ten of first Leg
Rallye South Swedish - top-ten of first Leg
Rallye Kolsva - top-ten of first Leg

2008
Rallye of Sweden - National classification
Rallye Bergsags - top ten

Any help will be wellcome !
Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[jirka rk]

I was there and national championship was cancelled because of lack of snow.

[Kaps]

Hello all,

I'm still alive :) Had a very eventful several months and with accepting a new job starting in February and having to move to the other side of the country on very short notice, it's going to be very busy in the next period as well.

Because I know how much of my time RallyBase takes up when I'm working on it, I had to decide on my priorities. And I decided that finally finishing my studies and making sure of finding an interesting job with which I am going to be able to support myself for the foreseeable future was the most important thing. So I made the decision not to be side-tracked and I have temporarily stopped working on the website. Once the dust has settled I'm sure I'll have spare time again, and then I can devote that time to RallyBase (and other rally-related research).

Apologies to everyone that used RallyBase to keep track of the more recent results - and to everyone who's e-mail has not been answered yet. I'll return to RallyBase and try to work my way through the backlog.

Have a great 2009!

Of course you need to do whatever it takes to sort out your life the way you like!

Glad everything's fine!

[Kaps]

Now, back to my question, does anyone know the start and finish locations for the last five 2007 WRC rallies (Catalunya, Corse, Japan, Ireland & Wales)?

And for all 2008 WRC rallies?

Thank you!

[jrally]

I was there and national championship was cancelled because of lack of snow.

Thanks a lot, jirka rk !
Probably the same happens with Polar Bergslags Rally ! I can't find that result anywhere !

best regards
jorge

[Fred Gallagher]

Please help me with this results

Sestriere 1953
1)Gert Seibert/A. Holz – Citroen 15/6,
2). Scala/Mazzone – Lancia ??
3). Damonte/Marsaglia – Lancia ???
4). Valenzano/Sponsetti – Lancia ??
5). Maranzana/Carlotti – Panhard ???
6). Emilio Christillin/Sandro Fiorio – Lancia ????
7). Ferdinando Gatta/Orlandi – lancia Aurelia
8)???/??? ???
9)???/??? ???
10)??/??? ???

Thanks in advance
sorry for very bad english :eek:

1st Gert Seibert/A.Holz Citroën 15 589

2nd Scala/Vittorio Mazzonis Lancia Aprillia 586

3rd Mario Damonte/Stefano Marsaglia Lancia Aurellia B22 580.5

4th Piero Valenzano/Renato Sposetti Lancia Aurellia B20 568

5th Maranzana/Carlotti Panhard Dyna 552

6th Emilio Christillin/Sandro Fiorio Lancia Aurellia B22 547

7th Grosgogeat/Biagini Panhard Dyna 545

8th Ferdinando Gatta/de Martino Lancia Aurellia B22 542.5

9th Pignatelli/Sonnino Lancia Aurellia B20 531.5

10th Emanuelle Nasi/Ceriana Fiat 1400 525


Fred

[BDunnell]

I think we should welcome a great name from WRC history to the forums! Greetings, Fred.

[Fred Gallagher]

I think we should welcome a great name from WRC history to the forums! Greetings, Fred.

Thanks a lot! I've been creeping around here, TNF and the French forum for a while now....

By the way, the winning co-driver was Bolz, not Holz.

Fred