Next Generation IndyCar

Swift Chassis
http://www.swiftengineering.com/motorsports.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhUscPEeH9s


Corvette Engine
http://www.katechengines.com/street_performance/engine_packages.php

http://www.katechengines.com/street_performance/vehicle_packages_corvetteC6Z06.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9eqksg759c

Made in USA

[anthonyvop]

Swift Chassis
http://www.swiftengineering.com/motorsports.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhUscPEeH9s


Corvette Engine
http://www.katechengines.com/street_performance/engine_packages.php

http://www.katechengines.com/street_performance/vehicle_packages_corvetteC6Z06.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9eqksg759c

Made in USA


And?
Are you trying to say that the New ICS car will be the Swift formula Nippon?

[ShiftingGears]

Nah!!

Ideally this, except an open wheeled version.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Porsche917-30.jpg

I win.

[ChicagocrewIRL]

http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2008/the_way_it_is_no134.html

According to Gordon Kirby and Bruce Ashmore, THIS is what the new IndyCar SHOULD look like. Personally, I don't think this version is "sexy" enough. Looks too wind tunnel molded. Looks too much like a squid. UGH

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/358/gk1341vs8.png http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8995/gk1342te8.png

[Hoop-98]

I don't think a 250 pound heavier engine is headed the right way...

rh

Swift Chassis
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/other/168828/swift-017-n-formula-nippon.html

Corvette Engine
http://www.lgmotorsports.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1895&osCsid=66b1336ada17094af9c14faf5c6080c6

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=15

Made in USA

[speeddurango]

I like the concept he's proposing there


That's the sort of downforce level you need with a bit more horsepower, probably around 800 horsepower and 1,000 on the road courses.

Swift Chassis
http://www.f-nippon.co.jp/fn_eng/news/09-11jrpe.html

Corvette Engine
http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c6r/engine.shtml

Carbon Brakes
http://www.hitco.com/HITCO%20Products.htm

Made in USA

[Madmonk]

The new Swift chassis for Formula Nippon looks good. Plus, I like the job that Swift did on the current Atlantics cars. But I wonder if this new car is built strong enough for ovals.

As for the Porsche Can AM dream, I wish Grand AM would mandate open top cars and silohuettes similar to the 917 you posted for the Daytona Prototype category.

[champcarray]

The Formula Nippon car looks like it came straight out of the new Speed Racer movie. I don't think that's an entirely good thing, but it is interesting to look at...

[bblocker68]

Thant was the propsed Champcar for 2007. Panoz won out, THANK GOD!!!!


http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2008/the_way_it_is_no134.html

According to Gordon Kirby and Bruce Ashmore, THIS is what the new IndyCar SHOULD look like. Personally, I don't think this version is "sexy" enough. Looks too wind tunnel molded. Looks too much like a squid. UGH

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/358/gk1341vs8.png http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8995/gk1342te8.png

[nigelred5]

The new Swift chassis for Formula Nippon looks good. Plus, I like the job that Swift did on the current Atlantics cars. But I wonder if this new car is built strong enough for ovals.

As for the Porsche Can AM dream, I wish Grand AM would mandate open top cars and silohuettes similar to the 917 you posted for the Daytona Prototype category.

Certainly the existing cars wouldn't be half as ugly with out the roof. Their driver cage specs really distort the roof shape. Just lopping the roof and windshield off would improve most of them aesthetically.

[Miatanut]

I don't think a 250 pound heavier engine is headed the right way...

rh

I don't see where he's calling for a 250 pound heavier engine. Lopping two cylinders off should save some weight. Adding a second turbo would add a little, but not much. Interesting he's talking about 1.5-1.8L. I agree with your point a while back that the engine shouldn't be too much smaller because of the costs of generating the horsepower from a really small engine, in the current budget-constrained environment. I would be in favor of a 2.0, because that seems like a nice compromise size between cost and weight.

[Miatanut]

http://www.gordonkirby.com/categories/columns/theway/2008/the_way_it_is_no134.html

According to Gordon Kirby and Bruce Ashmore, THIS is what the new IndyCar SHOULD look like. Personally, I don't think this version is "sexy" enough. Looks too wind tunnel molded. Looks too much like a squid. UGH

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/358/gk1341vs8.png http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8995/gk1342te8.png

He says the need to go down to about a quarter of the current downforce, which I totally agree with, but then he has a rear wing on it. Unless that rear wing is totally flat, which his isn't, you aren't going to get down to a quarter of the current downforce. Then he goes on to say 'this is what I drew, but not what I meant', and describes something more appropriate.

Too logical. The current management would never go for it.

[jimispeed]

Wouldn't be my choice as far as a new car goes. Reminds of an Indycar from the eighties.

I don't think a 250 pound heavier engine is headed the right way...

rh

Remember Can-Am?


Lime Rock Qualifying

1984 Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 44.438

1988 IMSA GTP Jaguar XJR-9: 44.885

http://wsrp.ic.cz/canam1984.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Road_Atlanta-1984-08-19-photo.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Lime_Rock-1988-05-30-photo.html

[-Helix-]

Looks pretty cool.

However, looks are pretty unimportant in the grande scheme of things. I doubt that car would be safe enough on the ovals.

[Miatanut]

I doubt that car would be safe enough on the ovals.

:confused:

[-Helix-]

:confused:

Does Formula Nippon drive ovals? If so, my mistake.

[Miatanut]

Looks pretty cool.

However, looks are pretty unimportant in the grande scheme of things. I doubt that car would be safe enough on the ovals.


Does Formula Nippon drive ovals? If so, my mistake.

1. In a thread referencing the Formula Nippon car, old CanAm cars, and Bruce Ashmore's proposal for a new Indy car, and the last post referring to the Formula Nippon car was six posts before yours, how are we to connect "Looks pretty cool" to the Formula Nippon car?

2. How can one "doubt that car would be safe enough on the ovals." just because it's used in a series that doesn't run on ovals. Any modern carbon fiber monocoque car meeting contemporary safety standards is going to be safer than the aluminum monocoque cars which ruled open wheel oval racing for 20 years. Without running an FEA on it, or crash testing it, it would be difficult to know. Even if something was found deficient, relatively minor changes to the lay-up may be all that's needed to make it comply.

Nah!!

Ideally this, except an open wheeled version.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Porsche917-30.jpg

I win.

The VDS-Chevy is the fastest Can-Am car.

Mosport Qualifying

1984 Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:10.043

1973 Can-Am Porsche 917/30: 1:14.1

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1984-09-09-photo.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1973-06-10-photo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB0rPL6byec

The Corvette engine offers the most bang for the buck.

http://www.mtiracing.com/artmaverick/extremevelocity4.html

http://www.mtiracing.com/artmaverick/southernstingray.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX2coATn1hI

[-Helix-]

1. In a thread referencing the Formula Nippon car, old CanAm cars, and Bruce Ashmore's proposal for a new Indy car, and the last post referring to the Formula Nippon car was six posts before yours, how are we to connect "Looks pretty cool" to the Formula Nippon car?

2. How can one "doubt that car would be safe enough on the ovals." just because it's used in a series that doesn't run on ovals. Any modern carbon fiber monocoque car meeting contemporary safety standards is going to be safer than the aluminum monocoque cars which ruled open wheel oval racing for 20 years. Without running an FEA on it, or crash testing it, it would be difficult to know. Even if something was found deficient, relatively minor changes to the lay-up may be all that's needed to make it comply.

1. Hm. I don't know. Maybe because the topic was started concerning the Formula Nippon car? And I didn't quote any post so obviously I was speaking abuot the actual topic at hand.

Common sense is always a nice thing.

2. True, it's impossible to know. But because Formula Nippon would have no use for an oval-ready car it's a pretty good bet that it wasn't constructed with ovals in mind. Therefore when I said "I doubt" it means it probably wouldn't be safe enough, but it could be. Not like I said for sure it definitely wouldn't work on ovals. Way to attack me for no reason, chief.

[ShiftingGears]

The VDS-Chevy is the fastest Can-Am car.

Mosport Qualifying

1984 Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:10.043

1973 Can-Am Porsche 917/30: 1:14.1

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1984-09-09-photo.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1973-06-10-photo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB0rPL6byec


I bet it didn't have >1000HP in qualifying trim either.



I don't give a ***** about laptimes, I just wanna see beasts that have an excessive amount of power over grip. Now that looks fast.

And everyone can see through you plugging Chevrolet engines.

[philipbain]

The VDS-Chevy is the fastest Can-Am car.

Mosport Qualifying

1984 Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:10.043

1973 Can-Am Porsche 917/30: 1:14.1

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1984-09-09-photo.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1973-06-10-photo.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB0rPL6byec

The 1980s version of Can-Am was borne out of a failing F5000 series, so they got the single seater chassis and stuck a wide body on with the wheels covered in and re-badged it Can-Am, and you know what, it worked, for a while at least. The last true Can-Am cars were from the early 70s, the later Porsche and McLaren cars were true beasts, with well over 1000 BHP in many cases.

As for a Swift chassis with a Chevy stock-looking engine - the chassis,well not that exact chassis, its a Nippon car, but something along those lines would be a good thing. A big American V8 that produces about the same power as a European lawnmower isn't such a great idea though, all the best engine tech comes out of Europe, even the Japanese stuff borrows heavily from European techniques and innovations. But I digress, if you want a dinosaur of a push rod engine in a "racing" car watch NASCAR, single seaters are about proper racing engines, dont waste yours and everybody elses time by even speculating about stock engines in indycars.

The 1980s version of Can-Am was borne out of a failing F5000 series, so they got the single seater chassis and stuck a wide body on with the wheels covered in and re-badged it Can-Am, and you know what, it worked, for a while at least.

1984 Dallas Race Fastest Lap

Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:45.165

F1 McLaren-Porsche: 1:45.353

http://wsrp.ic.cz/canam1984.html

http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/track_us.htm

http://freddifred.com/Trevor/VDS%20Recipe%20for%20Success%20On%20Track%20BW.jpg


http://freddifred.com/Trevor/Thundering%20Herd%20F1.jpg

[hacker-pschorr]

1984 Dallas Race Fastest Lap

Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:45.165

F1 McLaren-Porsche: 1:45.353
What is your point? You are talking about a car that ran 10 years after the old series was defunk. I sure hope it's faster. Tire technology alone would give the "old" cars a few seconds on every track.

The VDS-Chevy did not break the lap record at Road America held by the 917/30. :)

The new Can-Am era started in 1977. New rules allowed only cars with engines only up to 5 litres. Since there wasn't enough cars to fill the entry, Formula 5000 cars with closed wheels were allowed into the series. Several old Can-Am cars with smaller 5-litre engines were much heavier than light formula cars had no chance for overall honours. So McLarens M8F, Lola T310 and similar cars from early 70s disappeared after a season or two and single-seater Lolas and its derivates called Spyder, Schkee, Prophet or later Frissbee completely dominated the new Can-Am era. Although among Can-Am single-seater era champions we can find drivers drivers like Patrick Tambay, Alan Jones or Jacky Ickx, it was never supported as good as the original Can-Am and after five years of decline died after the 1986 season

Drop the Porsche motor in the VDS car (assuming it would fit) it would spank the Chevy version.

1984 Mosport Qualifying

Can-Am VDS-Chevy: 1:10.043

Group C Porsche 956: 1:12.107

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1984-09-09-photo.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Mosport-1984-08-05-photo.html

http://www.braatenclassics.com/lola/lola.htm

http://www.braatenclassics.com/lola/gallerypgp.htm