Obama NOT to sponsor Sprint Cup team

[Lemmy-Boy]

SI.com is reporting that U.S. Presidential Candidate "Barack Hussein Obama" may sponsor a NASCAR Sprint team at Pocono. I wonder why Hillary didn't sponsor one in the first place. ;)

While George Bush was prominently featured on Kirk Shelmerdine's No. 72 car in '04, this is the first time a national presidential campaign has actually given its own money to make itself a primary sponsor of a race car.

Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_bowles/07/11/obama/?cnn=yes

[Lee Roy]

Cool. Apparently it will be the #49 BAM team. Nice to see them back in the mix again. Wonder if Schrader will be driving?

[Sparky1329]

Very cool! :up:

[RaceFanStan]

It appears that SI was premature in their announcement ...
BAM is only LOOKING for a sponsor, they also approached John McCain ...
An Obama's spokesman says the answer is NO to the sponsorship !

Late Friday, the Obama campaign said there would be no sponsorship.
"The Obama campaign will not be sponsoring a car in the Sprint Cup Series,
though we will continue to look for ways to reach out to voters and convey Senator Obama's message of change."
said Bill Burton, an Obama campaign spokesman. http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/07/11/bam.obama.sponsorship.ap/index.html

[call_me_andrew]

An obscure bumper sticker qualifies as "prominently featured" now?

[tstran17_88]

Late Friday, the Obama campaign said there would be no sponsorship.
"The Obama campaign will not be sponsoring a car in the Sprint Cup Series,
though we will continue to look for ways to reach out to voters and convey Senator Obama's message of change."
said Bill Burton, an Obama campaign spokesman. What a shock...yet another issue Sen. Obama did a flip-flop on! :D I wonder if he thinks there are 57 cars that start a Nascar race? :laugh:

[e2mtt]

This is only BAM racing trying to drum up some noise for themselves. I heard on a political show that they offered themselves to be sponsored by either of the presidential candidates.

Apparently niether McCain nor Obama were interested at all.

[Sparky1329]

What a shock...yet another issue Sen. Obama did a flip-flop on! :D I wonder if he thinks there are 57 cars that start a Nascar race? :laugh:

You really don't want to go there do you? :D

http://www.alternet.org/election08/90956/?page=entire


National Security Policy

1. McCain thought Bush's warrantless wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

2. McCain insisted that everyone, even "terrible killers," "the worst kind of scum of humanity," and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, "deserve to have some adjudication of their cases," even if that means "releasing some of them." McCain now believes the opposite.

3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it "one of the worst decisions in the history of this country."

4. In February, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

5. McCain favored closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.

6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with Predators, McCain criticized him for it. He's since come to the opposite conclusion.

[e2mtt]

For what its worth, I don't think that changing your position on an issue once counts as a flip-flop. Since when did it become such a virtue in American politics to never change you mind on an issue?

True flip-flopping is when a candidate actually altenates positions repeatedly over the course of a campaign, or contradicts that position depending on who they are talking to.

[Lee Roy]

For what its worth, I don't think that changing your position on an issue once counts as a flip-flop. Since when did it become such a virtue in American politics to never change you mind on an issue?


Since the catch phrase "Flip-Flop" became a simple way to denigrate the politician/candidate on the other side of the issue/election. It's much easier to run around and call someone a "Flip-Flopper" than to actually try to understand an issue.

Simple things for simple minds.

[Sparky1329]

For what its worth, I don't think that changing your position on an issue once counts as a flip-flop. Since when did it become such a virtue in American politics to never change you mind on an issue?

True flip-flopping is when a candidate actually altenates positions repeatedly over the course of a campaign, or contradicts that position depending on who they are talking to.

Most people change their minds from time to time as new facts surface. Failing to consider alternative theories strikes me as being myopic and short-sighted but talking points are what some folks remember.

Ditto what Leroy said.

[RaceFanStan]

Gaining additional information can usually cause someone to form a more accurate opinion ...
many people will change their original opinion when enlightened with the facts ...
fear the person who will not or can not change their views when given the facts.

What some may consider a flip-flop could instead be a person that learned after receiving the truth.

[Lee Roy]

What some may consider a flip-flop could instead be a person that learned after receiving the truth.

But we must not forget that after boiling down the facts, sometimes it could the that the truth is that the change in position was done to garner more votes. ;)

[RaceFanStan]

I hope poll results of public opinion wouldn't change a candidate's stand but sometimes I have to wonder ... :s

[tstran17_88]

You really don't want to go there do you? :D

http://www.alternet.org/election08/90956/?page=entireOf course I do! I'm not on board 100% with McCain either...but he is the lesser of two evils! :D

[RaceFanStan]

... I'm not on board 100% with McCain either ... but he is the lesser of two evils! :D
I agree T, that is true but really sad when you think about it. :s
The best candidate dropped out months ago. :s

[Sparky1329]

I agree T, that is true but really sad when you think about it. :s
The best candidate dropped out months ago. :s

The best candidate according to me isn't in the game anymore.

[call_me_andrew]

Don't we have some rule against political discussions here?

[ShiftingGears]

Since the catch phrase "Flip-Flop" became a simple way to denigrate the politician/candidate on the other side of the issue/election. It's much easier to run around and call someone a "Flip-Flopper" than to actually try to understand an issue.

Simple things for simple minds.

Very well said.

[Ron_Ripple]

I'm neutrual when it comes to Obama and McCain but I think it's pretty wild the candidates are hitting up the NASCAR world pretty hard.

Jimmie Johnson visited McCain in Washington a couple weeks ago. Check out this article.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/07/08/jimmie-johnson-says-nascar-fans-arent-alike-but-will-choose-mccain.html

Looks like NASCAR Nation is taking over.

Ron Ripple
NASCAR's Biggest Fan

[Sparky1329]

Don't we have some rule against political discussions here?

Not when racing and politics collide which is the case in this instance. If you don't care to participate in a thread you have others from which to choose.

[RaceFanStan]

Don't we have some rule against political discussions here?
BAM #49 opened the political avenue when they contacted McCain & Obama about sponsorship ...
Who would have thought that the US Presidental candidates would become a NASCAR topic ?
I think it shows just how desperate BAM is to get some sponsorship money to fund the #49 team. :eek:

Some of the low budget teams are really suffering without enough sponsorship. :s

[tstran17_88]

The very first Winston Cup race I ever attended, someone was holding up a sign that read "Bill, Nascar fans didn't inhale either!" I laughed. :laugh:

[tstran17_88]

Don't we have some rule against political discussions here?If that's a rule on Motorsport...I'm not aware of it and would like to be shown it. Go over to the chit chat forum and you'll see they discuss politics all the time.

[call_me_andrew]

Well if it's fair game...


Of course I do! I'm not on board 100% with McCain either...but he is the lesser of two evils! :D

You know there are third party candidates you can vote for.

Especially if you don't live in a swing state.


BAM #49 opened the political avenue when they contacted McCain & Obama about sponsorship ...
Who would have thought that the US Presidental candidates would become a NASCAR topic ?
I think it shows just how desperate BAM is to get some sponsorship money to fund the #49 team. :eek:

Some of the low budget teams are really suffering without enough sponsorship. :s

Have you already forgotten the NASCAR Dad issues of 2004. That was NASCAR becomming a political topic.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/07/04/photos/grahamnascar.jpg

[tstran17_88]

You know there are third party candidates you can vote for.

Especially if you don't live in a swing state. Like a communist, a libertarian, someone from the Green Party, or this year's version of Ross Perot...Ron Paul? No thanks! :laugh:

[e2mtt]

Like a communist, a libertarian, someone from the Green Party, or this year's version of Ross Perot...Ron Paul? No thanks! :laugh:

Hey, don't be dissin' Ron Paul...

[tstran17_88]

Hey, don't be dissin' Ron Paul...You do realize he's a vowel and a letter away from being Ru Paul? :D

[call_me_andrew]

Like a communist, a libertarian, someone from the Green Party, or this year's version of Ross Perot...Ron Paul? No thanks! :laugh:

You don't like the major candidates, you don't like the minor candidates, who does that leave?

Also, you forgot the Constitution Party, the Prohibition Party, the Marijuana Party, and the Reform Party.

[tstran17_88]

You don't like the major candidates, you don't like the minor candidates, who does that leave?
I already mentioned that I'm going with the lesser of two evils, (mainly because I'll never vote for a democrat), but my first choice ran a weak campaign, and my second choice was railroaded because of his religion.