2008 Acropolis Rally - official thread

[jparker]

Ok, I'm in Greece now, so I can't wait to start this one.

Official web site:
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/

List of entries:
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?page=entries

Weather:
http://cirrus.meteo.noa.gr/forecast/bolam/index.htm

WARNING: If you are driving down to Greece avoid Serbia. Blackmailing by corrupted police and state controlled scams overcharging for autobahn fees are reality, just stay away form this country. It happen to me and its kind of insulting. People told me that Romania is save, but too slow and too much traffic. Best choice for driving is Ferry from Italy, or just get on the plane.

[J.Lindstroem]

First, great to see the new SUBARU Impreza WRC 08 on the entry list. I really hope for it to be competitive.

Other than that, i think there is an OK entry list. No suprises... But better than previous rallies...! Interesting will also be what Rautenbauch will do with (to) his Citroen in the rally, he has done quite stupid thing in each rally, hasn't he?

I will follow the rally frequently in the weekend, finally school is over for the summer so this rally comes perfect as a celibration of that.

Cheers!!

[jparker]

First, great to see the new SUBARU Impreza WRC 08 on the entry list. I really hope for it to be competitive.
Most likely it will be. Why? Because PS is not optimistic this time (his comments after recce about not knowing what to expect from the new car) meaning the opposite will happen :)
Anyway, good luck to entire SWRT.

[gloomyDAY]

Most likely it will be. Why? Because PS is not optimistic this time (his comments after recce about not knowing what to expect from the new car) meaning the opposite will happen :)
Anyway, good luck to entire SWRT.I think being a Subaru fan fills you full of optimism and at some point delusion. Hope Petter comes out swinging and gets some points. I'd really like for the boys in blue to shatter someone elses dreams this season.

[Koppomsbo]

Lets for the sake of WRC that the new Subaru works out great.. Otherwise i cant see Subaru throwing out money the way their doing on this so much longer

[Karbonyl]

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zwzp4y.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/zna45v.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/294ozkk.jpg

[desmosedici]

Big air intakes for brake cooling, maybe the calipers are not water cooled as the previous versions? :confused:

[SubaruNorway]

Big air intakes for brake cooling, maybe the calipers are not water cooled as the previous versions? :confused:

Think that was removed from the regulations before 2006 if im not wrong?

[bennizw]

Anyone know when the car is officially release tonight?

[desmosedici]

Think that was removed from the regulations before 2006 if im not wrong?

Yep, you're right :) (I think)

2007 specs:

AP Racing 305mm ventilated discs and four-pot calipers front and rear.
For asphalt use, front brakes are 366mm ventilated discs with six-pot calipers

[Roy]

Quotes after Recce.

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1131

Summary:
Special stage Psatha (SS3/6) is very rough. (Tyre braeker?!)
SSS is (to much) dusty
Stages are fine, more rougher then last year.

[dimviii]

this is psatha :p (aka this is sparta) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR_W09Lg3tU

[desmosedici]

Anyone know when the car is officially release tonight?

nope, still waiting :(

[dimviii]

some first impressions from today visit at service park
the s14 doesn t seems to be a sophisticated-advanced rally car.
it doesn t give you that feeling as when we first saw the focus 03 or the 206.
the suspension is again bos :rolleyes:
the brakes are apracing
suzuki had a very ''poor'' stand in machines and for people also.
seems that they have less than the half budget than other teams.
i remember that even skoda had a very good presentation at acropolis.
suzuki had rieger suspensions.

pirelli wrc tyres are made in turkey(i didn t know that)
till end of 2007 all the pirelli motorsport tyrew were made in italy,from the settimo torinese factory.

i had the oportunity to talk with Donaldson from Prodrive,with Alexey Shchukin manager of E-ART rally team etc.
i also had a talk with two guys from CZ they told me they are owners of the www.ewrc.cz (http://www.ewrc.cz) great guys keep the good work!!!(sorry i dont remember their names)
tomorow morning at 8 starts the shakedown.
i ll wrote my impressions.

ps Alexey Shchukin is a fantastic man! he answered all my questions for about half hour :eek: :p :

[Roy]

Part II of recce.

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1134

Vovos said the best what all other said:
The Rally will be a great challenge for the cars and the tires, because stages will be worse after the second passage.

Loeb:The conditions are worse than last year.

Latvala most positive view after recce I and II:
”Some stages are in better condition, some others are rough, so you need to find where to push. Quite a lot of rocks in the long stage. Not as bad as last year, because it was 48 km and now it is 32, but still you must be careful, because if it is that warm, 35 degrees, it is going to be difficult and hard for the tires. You will need to think about how fast you can go there.”

[Tom206wrc]

Pics of Sandell's 207 ??? :confused:

[dimviii]

same livery Tom for the ''crocodile'' :p :

[c4]

Pic of 207 from shakedown on official site

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/common/includes/show_image_media.php?image_id=1139&type=photo&that=0

[Karbonyl]

Same livery, but different service organization - Munaretto :)

[Mirek]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_1.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_2.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_3.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_4.jpg

[jonas_mcrae]

well there it is, the new Impreza, wish the best to them.

[bt52b]

Today Seb was doing an ESC demo at the Military Airfield in Tatoi (20km from Athens).

http://217.204.13.141/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Mobility/2008/May/230508-01.html

http://www.chooseesc.eu/en/news/acropolis.htm

[jbmarcus21]

PROGRAM GREECE-ACROPOLIS RALLY 2008

Program of Rally Greece-Acropolis 2008 (Program-Timing-SS by SS-Criterium Map and Google Earth Map !!
( click picture or here (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/grece08.htm) )


http://planetemarcus.free.fr/fondgrece08.jpg (http://planetemarcus.free.fr/grece08.htm)

[desmosedici]

Pics of Sandell's 207 ??? :confused:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_xgC_3V7NNoo/SD10e4t1IXI/AAAAAAAAAGI/Sk84zuEnsnY/s1600-h/image-upload-447-767622.jpg

[cmarin]

Subaru Impreza WRC2008 Launch

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/el/show.php?cat_id=57&page_id=1137

[bennizw]

Am I the only one who thinks the S14 looks a little too N14'ish? I thought the bodykit was to be a little more chunky?

[Buzz Lightyear]

gravel cars never do the styling any justice.

[euskalteam]

Any Shakedown news or a link for results?

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks for the pics of Sandell :)

[Doon]

any sites showing the SSS tonight?

[pavlos_a]

SD times

Sordo 2.26.3
Hirvonen 2.27.0
Loeb 2.27.2
Galli 2.27.6
Atkinson 2.28.0
Solberg 2.28.2
Latvala 2.28.4
Vilagra 2.28.4
...
Vovos 2.36.7

[Roy]

SD times

Sordo 2.26.3
Hirvonen 2.27.0
Loeb 2.27.2
Galli 2.27.6
Atkinson 2.28.0
Solberg 2.28.2
Latvala 2.28.4
Vilagra 2.28.4
...
Vovos 2.36.7

Good luck with your rally.

[Leon]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1144

shakedown news

[Roy]

Dani Sordo (Citroen C4 WRC) was the fastest driver at the shakedown, followed by Mikko Hirvonen (Ford Focus RS WRC) and Sebastien Loeb (Citroen C4 WRC). Jari Matti Latvala went off road with no serious consequences, while Toni Gardemeister faced problems with the gearbox of his car. The problem was quickly solved.

Suzuki has a lot of problems and Latvala.... oh my dear...

[pettersolberg29]

Sordo is looking ominously good on gravel now...

[Donney]

At least he is looking better, which can only be good.

[pettersolberg29]

I hope Sordo can take up Loeb's mantle when Sebastian retires, like Latvala isfor Mikko, and Chris is doing with Petter.

[Lulu1988]

Hi, it's my 1st time here.
Could you guys give me some info about the stages and, especially, about nice places with jumps or crossing rivers? (I'll miss the last day of rally)

[Viking]

Greek dust on new Subaru :up:

http://www.pettersolberg.com/html/wp-photos/20080529-084609-1.jpg

[dimviii]

there is a nice photo from 4troxoi.gr and xtkz user
http://vitaraclub.gr/userpix/66_DSC07212_1.jpg

[dimviii]

some impressions from shake down.
Sordo,Loeb,Hirvo,Galli wayyyy faster in my eyes and at 1,5 km from start.
Sordo also very spectacular.Not very good driving from Latvala.Iwas waiting much better from him.Not so clear lines,and very much sideways,where the faster crews were just straight(maybe adjusting suspension?)
new s14 seems that wasn t so powerfull..
Aava also with good lines.
Sandell also with good driving,and at the distance i could see the gravel was in very bad condition,it was a big difference at the way the s2000 was soldering the road vs mitsubishis and scoobies.
Also very good driving from Aigner,Hanninen,Arai.
Finally yours beloved Rautenbach finished the shakedown without any disaster.

[dimviii]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/el/show.php?cat_id=57&page_id=1142

[pavlos_a]

thank you!

[pavlos_a]

Good luck with your rally.

Thank you!

[PLuto]

Complete results from shakedown: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=6718

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_29f2443d57dfd559585d6a486f6e8ac7.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

...
Sandell also with good driving,and at the distance i could see the gravel was in very bad condition,it was a big difference at the way the s2000 was soldering the road vs mitsubishis and scoobies.



Thanks for this small report ;)

[dimviii]

more photos from shake down and service park
http://www.motors.gr/galleries/acropolis290508/index1.htm
http://www.motors.gr/galleries/acropolis290508/acropolisshakedown0816.jpg

[dimviii]

Pavlos allaxte thn frasi sto parbriz me to ''Lambros can do that'' :D
kalo agwna patrioti,akoma kalitera apo persi ;)
http://www.motors.gr/galleries/acropolis290508/acropolisshakedown0867.jpg

[kleisj]

Got back a while ago from shakedown. Was too hot and too dusty. Typical Acropolis! hehehehe

Got some pics from shakedown and service park

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/

Peter in action

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/DSC_0364.jpg



Good to see Markko again! He was at Ford headquarters!

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/DSC_0390.jpg

[dimviii]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1151

[turves]

Got some pics from shakedown and service park

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/


We need the password to view your pictures...

[Corny]

the subaru looked better on the first pictures.. :(

[dimviii]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=57&page_id=1155

[gloomyDAY]

Any pictures of the damage caused when JML went off?

[c4]

Today Seb was doing an ESC demo at the Military Airfield in Tatoi (20km from Athens).

http://217.204.13.141/mediacentre/Press_Releases/FIA_Mobility/2008/May/230508-01.html

http://www.chooseesc.eu/en/news/acropolis.htm

Some pics of demo here

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=57&page_id=1153

[c4]

Any pictures of the damage caused when JML went off?
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/common/includes/show_image_media.php?image_id=1220&type=photo&that=0

LATVALA Jari-Matti - ANTTILA Miikka
“There is a lot of dust in the stage. This stage is similar to Friday’s stages. We went too wide on a left corner and because of the dust I didn’t see where the turn closes. We went out and we hit a tree with the right side of the car, but no major damage was done.“

Source www.acropolisrally.com (http://www.acropolisrally.com)

[sal]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_4.jpg

If a picture could paint a 1000 words...DR reading DL his last rites if the new car doesnt work....

[kleisj]

We need the password to view your pictures...

Aaah sorry about that! Can anyone help me how to put my album for public viewing from photobucket? I tried but with no success!

[kleisj]

Aaah sorry about that! Can anyone help me how to put my album for public viewing from photobucket? I tried but with no success!

ok , i put guest pass "acropolis08" , I hope you can see it now

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/

[White Sauron]

ok , i put guest pass "acropolis08" , I hope you can see it now

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/WRC%20Shakedown%20Acropolis%2008/

Thanks!

I like the way the back of the Impreza looks. Other parts are just not like of a rally car.

[dimviii]

http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1164

[Mirek]

Martin Prokop cruised through the shakedown only once and quite slowly as he said. He said there was a need of ca 1,5 hour to wait in the que for shakedown.

[c4]

Article on Loeb at ESC demo
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/67830

[jonas_mcrae]

Article on Loeb at ESC demo
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/67830

He's the best to demonstrate that kind of technology, actually he is a Human ESC machine!

[ste898]

ESC or traction control makes a car boring (I hope they makes it switchable on/off)
It is another example of the EU sticking their noses into something they know nothing about......the UK should get out of the EU as soon as possible they are dangerous people

[gloomyDAY]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/news/subaru08_4.jpg

If a picture could paint a 1000 words...DR reading DL his last rites if the new car doesnt work....Off with his head! :D


ESC or traction control makes a car boring (I hope they makes it switchable on/off)
It is another example of the EU sticking their noses into something they know nothing about......the UK should get out of the EU as soon as possible they are dangerous peopleYeah, you're right. We should also get rid of disc brakes, airbags, and doors while we're at it. I don't think people with their children in the back seat will have as much fun careening into a tree with all the safety features.

[Koppomsbo]

Goooooooooooood Morning everyone! Lets hope for a great weekend of rallying :)

[Woodeye]

Good morning all! What time does the action start today?

[KKS]

Good Morning. 20 minutes before SS1 start :)

[Raini]

Good Morning. 20 minutes before SS1 start :)

Good morning everyone.

And I'm startig to travel to Kiev after 1 hour and trying to watch Rally Acropolis over there, but is there any internet in pubic places?

I can feel that it is gonna be a good rally.

[KKS]

And I'm startig to travel to Kiev after 1 hour and trying to watch Rally Acropolis over there, but is there any internet in pubic places?

Really, i don't know because have very fast internet at home. But in city center many public internet cafe.

Here some catalog internet cafe at Kiev (http://www.kiev2000.com/poster/poster.asp?IdPart=14)

[Viking]

Good morning Greece, and everyone!

I am hoping for some fast stage-times from the Subarus this weekend, yes also from the S12b :)

[jonkka]

Morning, time to start...

[KKS]

no splits this morning?

[jonkka]

None that I can see

[jonkka]

oops, there the splits are

[Mauri A]

oops, there the splits are
Where?

[KKS]

only 3 splits at that moment :(

JML have problem and we wait how much he lose.

[jonkka]

Loeb and Mikko finished - on equal time!

[jonkka]

Where?

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GR

[jonkka]

Latvala +6,3 seconds

[KKS]

oops. JML 5 sec quicker than Mikko first split a wrong.

[KKS]

Latvala +6,3 seconds

it's Atko ;)

[jonkka]

It's been corrected, it's not JML but Atkinson who's 6,3secs behind

[Mauri A]

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GR
Thanks, even though they are not working!

[jonkka]

Petter still can't keep up with Atko despite his better road position... :eek:

[jonkka]

And interestingly, late runners aren't faster except JML and Sordo.

[jonkka]

Petter still can't keep up with Atko despite his better road position... :eek:

Gotta quote myself... He can, in the end... :eek:

[jonkka]

It's me, myself and I on this forum right now...

[Viking]

only trowing one in so you dont get ten in a row Jonkka :D

Ok start from the S14`s Petter on the pace of Loeb from second split.
J-M seems to be pushing!

[jiipee64]

Just wondering this JML's +14,7 on first split??

[KKS]

Looks like new S14 it's old S12B at new body

[Viking]

Wilson fastest Stobart :eek:

[KKS]

Just wondering this JML's +14,7 on first split??
WRR and I think so that split are wrong

[KKS]

Wilson fastest Stobart :eek:

Galli spun at 1km, so Wilson fastest Stobart. At next stage Galli will be faster :D

[Leon]

It's me, myself and I on this forum right now...

NO we are here too.

[KKS]

Great time for PG!!!

[Viking]

"Mad Mads" Østberg mix it in top 8 :up:
Not much of Atko pace!

[jonkka]

NO we are here too.

So it seems ... now ...

[jonkka]

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. "Good, I don't need to clean road much. Nice stage."

Clean the road? On his starting pos... :)

[turves]

I'm pleasantly surprised by Wilsons pace on SS1. Lets see how long it lasts!

Not sure about the new Impreza, it's not blitzing everyone is it...still, only one SS gone so fingers crossed.

[Tom206wrc]

Prokop retired on SS1 ??? :confused:

[Leon]

Vovos beat only Al Quassimi.
Hope for better results although I know it will be difficult for him for a number of reasons particularly his sideways driving style whereas the focus needs to be driven like a train.

I remember him in 1997 with the four door impreza. He was very spectacular and very fast, consistenly beating none other than Radstrom with the celica GT4!! good old years.

[John V]

Prokop retired on SS1 ??? :confused:
It seem yes unfortunatelly. I will try catch crew on mobile phone ...

[Viking]

Atko seems to have found the first S14 problems?

[paddocknews]

Atko seems to have found the first S14 problems?

Atko: "OK, no problem. We learning."

[Tom206wrc]

LOEB ???? :eek: :confused:


Edit: OK no problem he finished SS2 :p :

[tmx]

I don't know what happened to Sordo, but he's been really fast on gravel lately by an exponential amount compared to previous year. He seem to be even faster than Latvala on this 2nd stage.

Very unimpressed by the new Subaru, but I'm going to sleep, hopefully when I woke up they haven't retired yet.

[jonkka]

New Impreza doesn't impress... or guys are taking it steady...

[jonkka]

Galli hasn't had split after 3rd split?

[jonkka]

Galli stopped on stage

[John V]

Galli hasn't had split after 3rd split?
Gigi is out, broken suspension

[Buzz Lightyear]

New Impreza doesn't impress... or guys are taking it steady... Can you hear the disappointment in Solbergs voice?? He really did think this was going to wins stages. Allowing for cleaning of road... their 0.5/0.7s per km slower than Loeb.

[Viking]

Galli spun at 1km, so Wilson fastest Stobart. At next stage Galli will be faster :D

to fast maybe :p
but Henning did ok on this one :up:

[jonkka]

VILLAGRA F. / PÉREZ COMPANC J. "It was good stage. Cooperation with new co-driver is working well."

If Villagra's co-driver isn't Jorge (as per entry list), who is it then?

[jonkka]

Can you hear the disappointment in Solbergs voice?? He really did think this was going to wins stages. Allowing for cleaning of road... their 0.5/0.7s per km slower than Loeb.

Yes, if it continues like this their desperation is quite audible... :eek:

[René]

Aava seems to drive nicely this morning !

[rp]

VILLAGRA F. / PÉREZ COMPANC J. "It was good stage. Cooperation with new co-driver is working well."

If Villagra's co-driver isn't Jorge (as per entry list), who is it then?

Jose Maria Volta, Luis Perez Companc´s codriver in this rally...

[jonkka]

Jose Maria Volta, Luis Perez Companc´s codriver in this rally...

Thank you.

[Tom206wrc]

Yes Urmo Aava has really good splits on SS2 :)

[tmx]

Yes, if it continues like this their desperation is quite audible... :eek:

Still it is acceptable, just not impressive, they are not lagging behind yet. Maybe improves setup over the rally and see the times improves.

[Leon]

Matt wilson did he had VK with his breakfast this morning?

[Tom206wrc]

GPS or problem for Ostberg ??? :confused:

[jonkka]

Ostberg is out, stopped on stage

[rp]

PCWRC battle will be very interesting.. All but one registered drivers competing in Greece. M. Baldacci leading, Al-Attiyah second and local hero Athanassoulas third.. His performance is surprising

[Tom206wrc]

Not very fast times from Sandell in PWRC... :mark:

[Mirek]

Prokop in a ditch. Car undamaged, will continue tomorrow under SR... What a morning :(

[John V]

Martin Prokop slid into ditch, no damage on car, but unable get it back on road unfortunatelly. Tomorrow will restart in Superally.

[Leon]

PCWRC battle will be very interesting.. local hero Athanassoulas third.. His performance is surprising

I was following his progress when he was contesting the Fiesta trophy in 2006 where he was fast and even won the WRC Germany round. Also he is on home territory so in a way I was expecting this kind of performance from Athanasoulas. More suprising is (if I remember correctly) the fact that Acropolis is his 2nd even in the last two years.

[bluuford]

Subaru guys have strict orders to bring car safely home. Its is like extended test session for them. The need to gather as much information as possible to fine tune the for Finland and for second part of season. And check the reliability.

[Leon]

where is Vovos on SS2?

[COD]

Subaru guys have strict orders to bring car safely home. Its is like extended test session for them. The need to gather as much information as possible to fine tune the for Finland and for second part of season. And check the reliability.

The thing is, if they don't drive it on the limit, how can they find ALL the problems and a good setup for full attack????

[rp]

where is Vovos on SS2?

I was thinking the same and found him.. He is not in the results, but his time during the SS2 was 17:42.8 so he shoul be 14th between Conrad and Khalid...

[noel157]

The thing is, if they don't drive it on the limit, how can they find ALL the problems and a good setup for full attack????

I suspect if Petter & Atko can finish in one piece, say top 6, Richards and the team will be very happy.

[Leon]

I was thinking the same and found him.. He is not in the results, but his time during the SS2 was 17:42.8 so he shoul be 14th between Conrad and Khalid...

thanks where?

[rp]

thanks where?

From the wrc.com split times and now you can see his time also from the wrc.com´s stage times..

[Glee]

I suspect if Petter & Atko can finish in one piece, say top 6, Richards and the team will be very happy.

In Greece a "Finish in one piece" can quickly be "Finish on podium".

[paddocknews]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. / "OK, there were big stones, but we didn't damaged car. Stones were bit bigger then my 15" TV."

[Tom206wrc]

Retirement of GrN local hero Athanassoulas in SS2 ?? :confused:

[Halvis]

Mornin' guys. OK start from the new Scoobie, not great, but bearing in mind it's it's first rally not bad.

Latvala attacking on SS3 again.

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting !!! From 15th of GrN in SS1, Sandell is 6th after SS2 !!! :)

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone got any good pics of the new Subaru that could be used for backgrounds?

[malscar]

Kiev after 1 hour and trying to watch Rally Acropolis over there, but is there any internet in pubic places?
.

Good morning everyone. now that I have read the thread to understand who is where when and what they did, just wondering how we answer this??

[Koppomsbo]

No splits for PG in ss3?

[Vilkavainen]

Anyone got any good pics of the new Subaru that could be used for backgrounds?

You can find a few here:

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=320

[RS]

Matt wilson did he had VK with his breakfast this morning?

He should give one to Mikko.

[pettersolberg29]

Cheers Vilkavainen

[Mirek]

Some problem for Ketomaa...

[jonkka]

No splits for PG in ss3?

No, and no news either. I wonder if he's stopped in road section...

[Tom206wrc]

Ketomaa is losing much on split 1 SS3 :confused:

[Mirek]

jonkka: PG finished 35 seconds behind JML. He said he had some problem with brake caliper.

[Tom206wrc]

Also Aigner is losing :mark:

[jonas_mcrae]

Aava?

[Tom206wrc]

Everything OK for Ketomaa on split 2... :confused:

[Mirek]

It looks like splits are wrong, watch second Ketomaa's split time. Anyway Aigner is very slow today, maybe he has some troubles with the car...

[Mirek]

Aava in finish +19,8 sec ;)

[jonkka]

]jonkka: PG finished 35 seconds behind JML. He said he had some problem with brake caliper.

Yes, I noted. :)

[Tom206wrc]

No second split for Sandell :confused:



Edit: OK he has splits :)

[Koppomsbo]

]Aava in finish +19,8 sec ;)

Great start by Urmo, lets hope he can keep things togheter util sunday :)

[jonkka]

Now Wilson, Rautenbach and al-Qassimi are in places more familiar to them... the three slowest WRCars...

[John V]

Jan Tománek (Prokop's co-driver) reporting via SMS: "We slid off road and it takes one hour to get car back on the road. There is no scrap on car. We are going back to service now."

[Mirek]

Aigner said they had lack of power after some frontal impact on SS1. I wounder about intercooler or intercooler pipe - the most vulnerable Lancer parts...

[John V]

Also Aigner is losing :mark:
Damaged frontend of the car early on first stage of today and have lack of engine power.

[Koppomsbo]

]Aigner said they had lack of power after some frontal impact on SS1. I wounder about intercooler or intercooler pipe - the most vulnerable Lancer parts...

Frontal impact?? And Conrad isnt to blame this time ;)

[John V]

]Aigner said they had lack of power after some frontal impact on SS1. I wounder about intercooler or intercooler pipe - the most vulnerable Lancer parts...
Miro, should I write something to this forum? ;)

[Mirek]

John: I'm just having fun of that :D I go for lunch, forum is Yours ;)

[Tom206wrc]

They are long to give Sandell's final time on SS3 :mark:



Edit: OK... ;)

[Tom206wrc]

What happens to Arai ??? :confused:

[Neil J]

What happens to Arai ??? :confused:


Front suspension problems ?

[John V]

Front suspension problems ?
He said completely lost suspension, it was very soft in middle of SS2 and then gone fully

[John V]

]John: I'm just having fun of that :D I go for lunch, forum is Yours ;)
Thanks, you are lucky man. Results are main ... :)

[Koppomsbo]

Is Sandell reporting any problems?? I thougt he would be more on the pace:S

And what about Ostberg, what happend??

[Tom206wrc]

Good time from Slovenian Andrej Jereb !!! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Pastrana too, since SS2 ??? :confused:

[Mirek]

Is Novikov out of rally?

[Koppomsbo]

Ostberg broke his Diff on a big rock on ss 2

[Sulland]

Is Sandell reporting any problems?? I thougt he would be more on the pace:S

@
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Read comment from Sandell here;
http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=757&filtr=

Taking it easy, might be smart !!

[Finni]

No second split for Sandell :confused:


Unfortunately Sandell is good only in Sweden. With super2000 car he should be way faster than with any group N car.

[Finni]

New Subaru seems another nightmare. No single good time. I would say that Petter would have done better times with previous Impreza considering his road-position.

LOL Subaru LOL

Annoyed by that crappy team. In those first stages that car was probably in the level of Suzuki (considering the fact that Petter and Chris are better drivers than Gardemaister)

[bluuford]

]Is Novikov out of rally?

in wrc.com you can see that he was 30 minutes late to TC 3. Time limit is 20 minutes I think? isn't it? So, he should be out of the rally after the service?

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks for the czech link Sulland :)

[Finni]

I miss Grönholm now. Latvala might be equally fast in some environments and Hirvonen is also fast sometimes but in rallies like Greece and Jordan they stil seems to be far from perfection.

[Josti]

New Subaru seems another nightmare. No single good time. I would say that Petter would have done better times with previous Impreza considering his road-position.

LOL Subaru LOL

Annoyed by that crappy team. In those first stages that car was probably in the level of Suzuki (considering the fact that Petter and Chris are better drivers than Gardemaister)

I'm surprised by your high expectations...

Btw, Petter is only little seconds off Hirvonen.

[Gard]

Unfortunately Sandell is good only in Sweden. With super2000 car he should be way faster than with any group N car.

S2000 will never be as fast as GroupN on gravel

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo did a good job until now, but will his pace last on the second loop of stages ?? :confused:

I remember in Jordania and especially in Sardigna when he lost lots of time after having shone during the first day... :rolleyes:

[Finni]

S2000 will never be as fast as GroupN on gravel

Oh boy, go and watch results of rally of Portugal..

[Buzz Lightyear]

I'm surprised by your high expectations...

Btw, Petter is only little seconds off Hirvonen.

yes but 6/8 position behind him. next loop will be a leveller.

[Finni]

I'm surprised by your high expectations...

Btw, Petter is only little seconds off Hirvonen.

From the road position which was probably 0.5 sec/km faster than Hirvonen's road position.

[John V]

in wrc.com you can see that he was 30 minutes late to TC 3. Time limit is 20 minutes I think? isn't it? So, he should be out of the rally after the service?
Cumulative limit for lateness should be 15 minutes per Leg, if theres no change compare to past years. To be over this limit means exclusion normally, but I'm not sure what the SupeRally rules for WRC events.

[Halvis]

Next SS in 10 minutes?

[Gard]

Oh boy, go and watch results of rally of Portugal..
A s2000 rally with almost none competitive groupN cars

[bluuford]

New Subaru seems another nightmare. No single good time. I would say that Petter would have done better times with previous Impreza considering his road-position.

LOL Subaru LOL

Annoyed by that crappy team. In those first stages that car was probably in the level of Suzuki (considering the fact that Petter and Chris are better drivers than Gardemaister)

Give some time to Subaru. It is not easy to come out with a completely new car to a rally like a Greece. The time loss for stage winner is not so bad at all.
SS1 0,8 s/km
SS2 0,49 s/km
SS3 0,62 s/km
The most important is that the car is consistent. Petter had realy interesting split times with old car. At the start of the stage he had superb splits and at the end the time was nightmare. now the time is getting better as the stage progresses.

[Finni]

A s2000 rally with almost none competitive groupN cars

Hänninen - current leader in rally and most probable pwrc winner - is not competitive?

[rp]

A s2000 rally with almost none competitive groupN cars

It seems that you did not followed Portugal. There were driving also the fastest group N drivers in the world. Hänninen and Aigner without the doubt and also Araujo and Sousa. Hänninen scored only two times special stage´s top six time and who is now leading the gr. N in Greece...

[malscar]

A s2000 rally with almost none competitive groupN cars


Then look at the Australian championship. It really depends upon the commitment of the drivers both in GrpN and S2000. Just wish Toyota would get the car homolgated properly so it could compete against others in say Rally NZ.

[DonJippo]

S2000 will never be as fast as GroupN on gravel

Want to bet on that one? :)

[paddocknews]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. / Puncture of front left tyre. "It was very strange. Honestly, we din't hit anything. I do't understand what happened. Simply it went down off the rim."

[Tomi]

The S2000 is clearly a faster car but I think its still very unreliable therefore its no chance to win the overall PWRC championship in a S2000, it's for both GrN cars and S2000 more like a survival game in rallies like this.

[jonkka]

Running order for tomorrow starts to look familiar - again...

[Viking]

Sordo will lead this rally after day1, mark my words :)

[jonkka]

Could be

[JCarlosPP]

I´m surprise by the pace of Matthew Wilson... nice!

[Halvis]

Henning is doing quite well today, nice to see him up there again.

[Mirek]

Stunning time from Aigner now. His car is obviusly repaired :)

[Gard]

It seems that you did not followed Portugal. There were driving also the fastest group N drivers in the world. Hänninen and Aigner without the doubt and also Araujo and Sousa. Hänninen scored only two times special stage´s top six time and who is now leading the gr. N in Greece...

Sorry for the offtopics here.
No IRC and s2000 is of no interest to me. 4wd non turbo is the most stupid thing ever :burn:

[Viking]

I guess we will see it now if Loeb will push hard or try and adjust himself for 2nd or 3rd on the road tomorrow.

[Mirek]

4wd non turbo is the most stupid thing ever :burn:

No, the most stupid thing of all times is restrictor because that is what makes cars incredibly boring to hear :o

[jonkka]

]No, the most stupid thing of all times is restrictor because that is what makes cars incredibly boring to hear :o

It's probably the best technical regulation FI(S)A has ever devised. Simple and easy way to control power outputs.

[jonkka]

I guess we will see it now if Loeb will push hard or try and adjust himself for 2nd or 3rd on the road tomorrow.

There's one more proper stage after this to do that...

[Fiorio]

what happened a.araujo +1:57.9?

[Viking]

There's one more proper stage after this to do that...

Yes but if he will push hard he will do it now.

[jonkka]

Yes but if he will push hard he will do it now.

I think he'll push hard enough at any rate and slow down towards the end of the final stage, if that's his inclination.

[jonkka]

The only slow there now is Mikko... :eek:

[MikeD]

Damn, that's a killer time from Loeb.

[MikeD]

I can't believe that they are actually discussing hair colour on WRR :rolleyes:

[jonkka]

I can't believe that they are actually discussing hair colour on WRR :rolleyes:

Having sometime tuned to WRR, I find that much more plausible than if they'd discuss WRC.

[AndyRAC]

Having sometime tuned to WRR, I find that much more plausible than if they'd discuss WRC.

The sooner they are replaced by proper journalists who know what they're talking about the better. I'd never heard of these clowns before - what previous experience have they got? Where did they come from?

[jonkka]

I wouldn't be that harsh, they just try to be like other radio hosts on air these days. Which means brainless jabbering and I choose not to listen to that.

[Finni]

Hah, I bet that Chris and Petter would be more near to leader with old Subie. I am surprised if that new **** will ever win a rally.. They really need to find out some serious factors that are preventing them.

I seems equally that new group N car is not at all faster than the old one. There might be some fundamental issues with the basic structure of that car. Nice.

[gloomyDAY]

Anyone else concerned over JML's puncture?

I've always questioned Pirelli's quality control.

[wrc_flipper]

The sooner they are replaced by proper journalists who know what they're talking about the better. I'd never heard of these clowns before - what previous experience have they got? Where did they come from?

do you know something we don't?!
Changes are a-coming!

[AndyRAC]

do you know something we don't?!
Changes are a-coming!

No, just wishful thinking!!
Globecast Rally Radio who did Rally GB were far better - and had Mark James!!

[wrc_flipper]

No, just wishful thinking!!
Globecast Rally Radio who did Rally GB were far better - and had Mark James!!

Globecast / http://www.0157.org/ tend to do the UK/US and Lemans motorsports along with Crufts. Think they had they money to do The Wales FM each year and not rally bothered with the rest of the season.Crash.net seems to be doing more WRC items.

Something going to be announced this weekend for WRR - the company behind it (used to be The Broadcasting Company) has changed,

[Mirek]

What happened to Ketomaa?

[bluuford]

Cumulative limit for lateness should be 15 minutes per Leg, if theres no change compare to past years. To be over this limit means exclusion normally, but I'm not sure what the SupeRally rules for WRC events.
I read the regulations again. The cars that are excluded as a result of OTL are allowed to restart on the next Day. There wasn't anything about cumulative lateness there was written that maximum lateness between to TC is 15 minutes.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Gigi out? ! :(

[White Sauron]

Gigi out? ! :(

stage 2

[AndyRAC]

Globecast / http://www.0157.org/ tend to do the UK/US and Lemans motorsports along with Crufts. Think they had they money to do The Wales FM each year and not rally bothered with the rest of the season.Crash.net seems to be doing more WRC items.

Something going to be announced this weekend for WRR - the company behind it (used to be The Broadcasting Company) has changed,

Yeah, their coverage of Sportscars is great AMLS, LMS, and the weekend just gone the Nurburgring 24 Hours. Would be good if they could get a sponsor and cover the WRC instead of the current lot. Saying that, I suppose any coverage is better than nothing - we must be grateful for small mercies.

[jonkka]

Games begin...

[Koppomsbo]

the splits arent working that great or..

[Tom206wrc]

Wow !!! Sandell 4th of PWRC after SS5 !!! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo behind Latvala after SS6...maybe strategy to let drivers sweep for him tomorrow ??? :D

[jonkka]

Sordo behind Latvala after SS6...maybe strategy to let drivers sweep for him tomorrow ??? :D

Rather, Loeb and Latvala are now next to each others so JML doesn't benefit from Sordo's sweeping. Predictable move from Citroen.

[jonkka]

I´m surprise by the pace of Matthew Wilson... nice!

He has a secret to it:

Matthew WILSON (GB) - SS 4 - JUMP START

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Hänninen on SS6 ??? :confused:

[John V]

I read the regulations again. The cars that are excluded as a result of OTL are allowed to restart on the next Day. There wasn't anything about cumulative lateness there was written that maximum lateness between to TC is 15 minutes.

So, here it comes: 18.8.1 Any lateness exceeding 15 minutes on the target time between two time controls, or a lateness exceeding 30 minutes at the end of each section and/or Day of the rally, or a total lateness for the whole of the rally of more than 60 minutes will result in the competitor concerned being excluded by the clerk of the course. The crew may nevertheless re-start the rally under the provisions specified in the relevant Championship sporting regulations, if applicable. In calculating such exclusion, the actual time and not the penalty time (10 seconds per minute) applies.

[KKS]

+46.7 at SS7 for Mikko? or time bug?

[Mk2_Escort_RS]

+46.7 at SS7 for Mikko? or time bug?

I sure hope so.....

[KKS]

I sure hope so.....

hope for bug or so its true +46 sec? :D

[KKS]

What wrong with Ford drivers?
Latvala +1:06.1

Maybe this strategy for "Ford win all SS Day2"

[Mk2_Escort_RS]

hope for bug or so its true +46 sec? :D

bug... I'm a Ford guy, can you see? :)

[COD]

WTF is happening there on SSS. Timing all wrong or what??

[Tom206wrc]

Yes I believe a strategy that leads the Citroëns to sweep the roads tomorrow for the Fords :rolleyes:

[KKS]

WTF is happening there on SSS. Timing all wrong or what??

It's true stage times

[Tom206wrc]

Yes I believe a strategy that leads the Citroëns to sweep the roads tomorrow for the Fords :rolleyes:

[KKS]

Yes I believe a strategy that leads the Citroëns to sweep the roads tomorrow for the Fords :rolleyes:

As I hear at WRR - both Ford drivers have problems with suspension

[Buzz Lightyear]

What wrong with Ford drivers?
Latvala +1:06.1

Maybe this strategy for "Ford win all SS Day2"

not true. postions were decided on ss6. weird

[playmo]

Ironic! yesterday i was watching the review from Sardinia and in an interview Loriaux was talking that they had reinforced critical points in the focus's suspension, and that only time will tell if this plays against... think it did!

What was Hanninen's problem on the previous?

[jerse]

Hirvonen and Latvala hitted same rock in SS6 and they really did break their suspensions. That's why their times were so lousy in the SS7.

[luca]

Atkinson also has hit the same rock, thats why he is completing top8 instead of being in front of both ford's