[ERC/CIR] 32º Rally 1000 Miglia 17-19 April

[Madeira]

Time to start the official thread of next round of European Rally Championship.

Rally 1000 Miglia (http://www.rally1000miglia.it/) -Second round of European Rally Championship, and third round of Italian Rally Championship.

Entry List (http://www.rally-erc.com/pdf/it_entries.pdf)

Timetable (http://www.rally1000miglia.it/pdf/TT&D%20Versione%20RB.pdf)

ERC Website (http://www.rally-erc.com/)

Standings:

ERC (http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2008/europeo.pdf)

CIR (http://www.rallylink.it/pdf/classifiche/2008/cir_piloti.pdf)

Are Fiat boys ready to reply to the Peugeot? or Subaru with Piero Longhi will make another surprise?

[wwbroe]

Madeira, the link to time table doesn't seem to work here. Can you check it please? Thanks

[Madeira]

Madeira, the link to time table doesn't seem to work here. Can you check it please? Thanks

Well, I think it is available now. Thank you ;)

[Madeira]

Andrea Dallavilla will debut his new car...

Peugeot 207 S2000 (http://www.sportautomoto.it/cgi-bin/images/news/Dallavilla-207-test-08.jpg)

[Tom206wrc]

My ultra favourite for the win remains Luca Rossetti :p :

[wwbroe]

My ultra favourite for the win remains Luca Rossetti :p :

I think you might be quite right Tom, alltough he could face serious opposition from Basso, if his Abarth is any better now? ;)

[Jarek Z]

For the ones who have never seen the stages of Mille Miglia, a few photos I took in 2006:
http://www.rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc]=+DESC&modex=pokaz&T[id]=1428

I'm wondering, how will Anton Alen handle this kind of stages. I think he has never competed on such Alpine roads?

P.S. Madeira - thanks for creating the thread, well done mate!

[Madeira]

For the ones who have never seen the stages of Mille Miglia, a few photos I took in 2006:
http://www.rallyonline.pl/g.php?1&pg_[desc]=+DESC&modex=pokaz&T[id]=1428

I'm wondering, how will Anton Alen handle this kind of stages. I think he has never competed on such Alpine roads?

P.S. Madeira - thanks for creating the thread, well done mate!

Thank you Jarek!

It were the earliest days of S2000 cars and If I'm not wrong the winner was Paolo Andreucci with Fiat Punto S2000...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

For sure it will be a terrific fight between Fiat and Peugeot.. but if it rains we should add Longhi, Aghini and Andreucci to fight for a podium finish.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

There will another interesting things to follow in this rally..

for example, the début of C2R2 Maxi in CIR with Elwis Chentre.. a fast driver (but crashes too many times)... and Simone Campedelli with a Clio S1600.

[Jarek Z]

It were the earliest days of S2000 cars and If I'm not wrong the winner was Paolo Andreucci with Fiat Punto S2000...

Yes, it was Paolo Andreucci who was fastest in 2006. It was the only Punto S2000 out of three that finished the rally.

[urabus-denoS2000]

]There will another interesting things to follow in this rally..

for example, the début of C2R2 Maxi in CIR with Elwis Chentre.. a fast driver (but crashes too many times)... and Simone Campedelli with a Clio S1600.


Elwis Chentre is also a veeeeeeeeery spectacular driver

[Jarek Z]

Elwis Chentre is also a veeeeeeeeery spectacular driver

That's true. Just look what he did in 2006 :)
http://www.autoklub.pl/1146051938,4,galeria.html

[Tom206wrc]

Finally Solowow will run in the Grande Punto or the 207 ??? :confused:

[urabus-denoS2000]

That's true. Just look what he did in 2006 :)
http://www.autoklub.pl/1146051938,4,galeria.html

http://rally.krokar.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=42&Itemid=114

[wwbroe]

http://rally.krokar.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=42&Itemid=114

Very nice video Urabus, he has a very generous driving style. But that was with four wheel drive cars. Is he also any good with C2 R2 Max, and does he have much experience with this new car, or is it his first time in it? Thanks ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Very nice video Urabus, he has a very generous driving style. But that was with four wheel drive cars. Is he also any good with C2 R2 Max, and does he have much experience with this new car, or is it his first time in it? Thanks ;)

He has drove some rallies this season with the C2 R2,so I dont think it will be a big change for him.

[Madeira]

Corrado Fontana has presented the new livery of his Punto.

Not bad...!!

Pic 1 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20002.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20003.jpg)

Pic 3 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20001.jpg)

Pic 4 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20004.jpg)

[c4]

Finally Solowow will run in the Grande Punto or the 207 ??? :confused:

Will use 207 fom now on http://www.rally-erc.com/article.php?cont=121

[urabus-denoS2000]

Fontanas car looks very nice!!!

[PLuto]

In area of Montichiari is terrible weather. Last days was raining, one stage is now with snow...

[Tom206wrc]

Could be advantage to GrNs over S2000s then :s

[CricketsFilm]

Corrado Fontana has presented the new livery of his Punto.

Not bad...!!

Pic 1 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20002.jpg)

Pic 2 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20003.jpg)

Pic 3 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20001.jpg)

Pic 4 (http://www.corradofontana.it/static/swf/imgsGallery/imgs/big/Punto%20S2000%2008%20-%20REAG%20Rally%20Team%20004.jpg)


Also this year, we can watch video and images of European Rally Championship on Corrado Fontana Channel and from Rally 1000 Miglia Interview and video from Service Park.... LIVE!

[Madeira]

Fine Luca, good Work!

Corrado Fontana Channel (http://www.corradofontana.it/channeltv/)

[CricketsFilm]

Fine Luca, good Work!

Corrado Fontana Channel (http://www.corradofontana.it/channeltv/)

Thanks, we try this service from 1000 miglia.... for now we try this service only for Corrado to http://www.corradofontana.it (popup window).... to http://www.cricketsfilm.com/cflive.htm and to http://www.cricketsfilm.com/live.htm

[Madeira]

I hope this year we would have a decent system of results on the web. Year after year 1000 miglia is always the same, one of the worst sites of the championship...Let's wait to see if the Italian organizers have learned how important is this question....

[Tom206wrc]

I hope this year we would have a decent system of results on the web. Year after year 1000 miglia is always the same, one of the worst sites of the championship...Let's wait to see if the Italian organizers have learned how important is this question....



In the worse case, we still have a certain Claudio on the http://www.rallylink.it/home_it.htm website who has a page designed to follow the rallies of the CIR with updated news(but in italian language only) ;)

[Mirek]

All ERC results should be live on autosport.cz system You know from Barum or Turkey this year. Direct link should be also on ERC website ;)

[CricketsFilm]

In area of Montichiari is terrible weather. Last days was raining, one stage is now with snow...

Pluto, hi,
how we can create collaboration for ERC???
you have any idea?

[Tom206wrc]

Pictures of the scruteneering !!!! :bounce:

http://www.rallylink.it/1000_img.htm

[wwbroe]

Pictures of the scruteneering !!!! :bounce:

http://www.rallylink.it/1000_img.htm

So Longhi and Aghini are using the new Subaru N14 in this event? Nice pics Tom, let's wait and see what the performance of the new Subie will be.

[Mirek]

Hmm, Basso with a Trico Motorsport and Alén with Procar...

[PLuto]

So Longhi and Aghini are using the new Subaru N14 in this event? Nice pics Tom, let's wait and see what the performance of the new Subie will be.

Yes, they will use a new cars.

[PLuto]

Abarth service for Travaglia and Navarra:

http://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/userpics/10002/Abarth_service.JPG

service for Basso:

http://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/userpics/10002/Basso_service.JPG

[jure dvorsek]

So, what about the weather? What is the forecast for tomorrow? Rain??

[wwbroe]

So, three hours to go before the start of the Super Special Stage? Looking forward to it, does anybody know anything about the weather conditions? ;)

[PLuto]

Weather isnt so good. It is dry, but clouds on sky and I think it will start to rain soon.

[soprano]

Photos are also available on official ERC site: http://www.rally-erc.com/photo.php?cont=23

[Madeira]

First images from Corrado Fontana Chanel- shakedown
http://www.corradofontana.it:80/channeltv/

[Jarek Z]

Guys can you tell me what is going on? Why are Basso and Alen competing with private cars and not as part of the official Abarth team?

[HaCo]

Awesome material there in Italy!

[Mirek]

They only need to start... I doubt that they will do the race. At least take a look at Alen's car - it has gravel suspension...

[Madeira]

Results(1) (http://time.rally1000miglia.it/)

Results(2) (http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/millemiglia/)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

From Live results site... :(

"Giovanni Manfrinato wont start to rally due to accident on shakedown."

[PLuto]

Alen will start only through starting ramp. It looks that Basso will normally race.

[PLuto]

On first stage is little rain.

[HaCo]

Pluto, why does Alen do only the starting ramp? Why does he come to the rally if he will not rally?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Because he need 6 races for ERC...

It's "stupid" but...

[Jarek Z]

And he needs 6 rallies for what?! To see 6 starting ramps?!!

[Mirek]

For not to be deleted in ERC standings after the season. Anyway his car was on gravel setup :)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

And he needs 6 rallies for what?! To see 6 starting ramps?!!

To score point for ERC... you need to start 6 rallys...

[Madeira]

And he needs 6 rallies for what?! To see 6 starting ramps?!!

:D :D :D :D



Well, the rally must be on the road but by reverse order...

[urabus-denoS2000]

Accorind to www.s2000rally.com (http://www.s2000rally.com) Bassos and Travaglias cars are completely new.I think that the whole Abarth cars stuff came because Fontana started racing in his normal Grifone S2000.Travaglia used that car for the beginning of this season.Now Fontana gets Grifone Punto,Navarra keeps his usual Punto and Travaglia and Basso get new cars.Although I dont understand why they gave their Number 1 driver Tricos car(although completely new).

[wwbroe]

:D :D :D :D



Well, the rally must be on the road but by reverse order...

Yes Madeira, i have noticed that also, so probably it will take some time to see first results? ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

As always.. 1000 Miglia live stage results don't work :(

What a poor service for a ERC rally :(

[urabus-denoS2000]

Accorind to www.s2000rally.com (http://www.s2000rally.com) Bassos and Travaglias cars are completely new.I think that the whole Abarth cars stuff came because Fontana started racing in his normal Grifone S2000.Travaglia used that car for the beginning of this season.Now Fontana gets Grifone Punto,Navarra keeps his usual Punto and Travaglia and Basso get new cars.Although I dont understand why they gave their Number 1 driver Tricos car(although completely new).

No,I am wrong.
It seems that no one is driving Grifones Punto that Travaglia used in this season.Fontana is driving the newer Grifone Punto.

[Mirek]

Results are finaly working:
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/millemiglia/1all.php

[wwbroe]

]Results are finaly working:
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/millemiglia/1all.php

Great Mirek, now we can finally follow the rally a little bit. Is it still raining over there or what are the roadconditions like? ;)

[PLuto]

Raining stopped, the road is becoming dry. Here in service area the surface is dry.

[Madeira]

Results(3) (http://www.tempionline.it/2008/rally/millemiglia/classifiche.htm)

[Jarek Z]

]To score point for ERC... you need to start 6 rallys...

Somebody should tell Alen how many points he can score for driving through the start ramp. I'm sorry Alen, but it's zero. With an attitude like that he deserves this car and not a Punto S2000:

http://www.duen.hu/kepek/foto/080404_eger/DuEn_Eger2008_0042.jpg

[Mirek]

Jarek Z: I'm sure that it is not Alen's choice.

[wwbroe]

Not a very good time for Dallavilla, for his first test with the Pug. Maybe he has to get used to the car though?

[wwbroe]

No time for Alen, so looks like he didn't start the event. :confused: Fastest tim till now is for Cavallini in his Pug.Great time also for Torlasco in his Clio S1600.

[Mirek]

Alen retired as it was announced (You can also see it written in the results). Or do You think he would be able to compete on gravel suspension?

And it is raining again...

[wwbroe]

Really great time for Isik :eek: :eek: :eek: As usual he is not very good outside Turkey.Cavallini takes fastest time for first stage.

[Mirek]

Volkan made a spin.

[Jarek Z]

]Jarek Z: I'm sure that it is not Alen's choice.

For a behaviour like that I give Fiat a yellow card!
http://www.ridethatpony.com/yellowcard.jpg

[Mirek]

Take it easy and You'll be alive longer ;)

[wwbroe]

For a behaviour like that I give Fiat a yellow card!
http://www.ridethatpony.com/yellowcard.jpg

I completely agree with you Jarek, i don't even see the point of doing what they are doing. Ok you have to start at six events, but what good is it to be in a championship if you can't take any points, because you're not starting. Strange way of thinking in my honest opinion. ;)

[Mirek]

wwbroe: Take it that way they don't compete in ERC but they don't want to be ignored in the rallys they do compete (joint ERC/IRC events).

For me it is funny but if they like to fool themselves, why not...

[wwbroe]

]wwbroe: Take it that way they don't compete in ERC but they don't want to be ignored in the rallys they do compete (joint ERC/IRC events).

For me it is funny but if they like to fool themselves, why not...

Yes, off course, i am not going to let my sleep for it. ;) They can do whatever they like, alltough i find it a little bit stupid. Anyway, i am looking forward to the competition tomorrow. :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

Somebody should tell Alen how many points he can score for driving through the start ramp. I'm sorry Alen, but it's zero. With an attitude like that he deserves this car and not a Punto S2000:

http://www.duen.hu/kepek/foto/080404_eger/DuEn_Eger2008_0042.jpg


Im sorry Jarek,but by saying that you are mocking and making fun of one of the most iconic and legendary racing cars of all time,the Fiat 850 Abarth(in this case a Zastava)...

[CricketsFilm]

Online Corrado Fontana video of shakedown with camera on board, on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Corrado Fontana Channel"
and on:
http://www.corradofontana.it/channeltv/

[rwssport]

This "starting" of events and then immediately retiring happened in the WRC in the past as well...

Never noticed the suspension on Alen's car when looking at the scruitineering pics at lunchtime but did think it was odd that other than the event stickers there were no "sponsor" decals anywhere....

[PLuto]

We have a beautiful sunny weather, +40.... No, I am joking :mad: Temperature is around +10 and there is a heavy rain.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

For a behaviour like that I give Fiat a yellow card!
http://www.ridethatpony.com/yellowcard.jpg

Sorry Jarek.. but this is the second yellow card for Fiat this season!

first was in turkey when they didn't entered in the shakedown...

so.. 2 yeallow cards =red card :eek: :eek: :s mokin:

http://www.e-soccer.com/postcards/images/redcardmist/redcard.jpg

[kabouter]

Retiring after the starting ramp was common practice for lady drivers in the early 1990s when in order to be classified in the Ladies Cup standings (and have a chance of winning it) they had to start at least 7 rounds, including one outside Europe. Later this was changed to finishing at least 5 rounds, to prevent the starting ramp specials (often the training cars of other competitors that were rent out on the understanding that they would be retired at the first Time Control).

The 'one start outside Europe' rule also applied to the Group N Cup. In Argentina 1992 Fernando Capdevila was injured in a recce accident, but despite being in no fit state to compete on the rally, managed to drive over the starting ramp so that he would show up in the official Group N Cup classification at the end of the season.

And the most famous instance is probably the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire at the time when an event had to have 50 starters to keep its WRC status for the next year. The road after the starting line was often full of 'competitors' getting the starting numbers off their everyday vehicles...

About the superspecial: a nice result for Cavallini, but on such a short stage the differences are so small it's not going to have a major effect on the final result.

Judging by their times car numbers 32-35 had slightly better conditions. Torlasco is a good driver, but to be so fast with a S1600 car is probably caused by changing weather as well.

Results from stage 2 will start to come in soon. We'll know more then.

[kabouter]

Thanks to our Czech friends, we have the best results service from the 1000 Miglia that I can remember :)

Rossetti and Basso are clearly quicker than the other ERC regulars, Isik is slow (problems?) and Vosa'hlo is already reported to have retired with engine trouble.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Hi Kabouter.. nice to see you here... and thanks for your notes about retiring after start ramp.. interesting report you did! ;)

Isik made a spun yesterday.. so he lost to much time.. and to day.. had technical problem.

Rossetti won the first stage.. and guess who was close to him?? Mr. Piero Longhi.. who is having a brilliant start of the year...

Fiat must push really hard to equal the fight with Rossetti

[Madeira]

Good morning!

Luca Cantamessa has stopped. Lost a wheel...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Hum.. Basso is losing almost a second per km... very strange pace for Basso..

Let's wait for another stages to see hos things go :)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Hum.. I don't know it it is correct.. but... Ucci 30 sec. faster than Rossetti...

And perico was second fastest in the stage.. it just could be strange weather conditions in Italy

[Madeira]

]Hum.. Basso is losing almost a second per km... very strange pace for Basso..

Let's wait for another stages to see hos things go :)

and what you would say about Travaglia and Navarra performance??

[[Madeira-Rally]]

and what you would say about Travaglia and Navarra performance??

Normal pace for them according to what they did this season in CIR... :s mokin:

[wwbroe]

I can hardly believe the times set by Andreucci and Perico, they are going about 1 sec a kilometer faster than Rosetti? :confused: :confused:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I can hardly believe the times set by Andreucci and Perico, they are going about 1 sec a kilometer faster than Rosetti? :confused: :confused:

It's raining in Italy.. and sometimes rain stop.. that could explain the big difference between them...

Look at the time of Chentre in the new C2 R2 MAX....
I don't believe he could reach the end of the rally.. but he did an impressive time!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Sandro Sottile is having engine problems :(

[urabus-denoS2000]

Go Elwis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d

[kabouter]

Shame about Cantamessa's accident. On SS 2 the people who did not pay the ERC entry fee are the ones with the biggest smiles. Clearly improving conditions for the later runners. But on the next stage that can be different again. It looks like we're going to get some unexpected stage results :)

But whatever the conditions, Andreucci's performance is excellent! Gamba is again going very well with the Clio R3, like at the superspecial yesterday.

[wwbroe]

Go Elwis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d

Awesome time for Elwis!!!! :D

[kabouter]

Stefano Albertini crashed and his car is blocking the road.
Uh oh, that's going to mean notional times for the rest of the field. Now what time are they going to get for this stage?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Antonin Tlustak had an off and lost more than 3 min...

Ucci set the best time once again :up:

[kabouter]

Andreucci has been flying again on SS3. Only Rossetti is able to keep up a bit, but after three stages he's already half a minute behind Andreucci!

[jure dvorsek]

Well done Ucci, he is the master of the race....Hoping for the rain whole day.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

It looks like Dallavila had big problems in SS3 :(

[wwbroe]

Well done Ucci, he is the master of the race....Hoping for the rain whole day.

He is a real "rain"-master, is has been a while, because that "title" belonged to Walter Rohl. :eek:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Stage 4 is running.. Basso set the time of 13:14.5

[Madeira]

SS 4 stopped after accident with Campedelli. Crew ok!

[kabouter]

Impressive 7th time overall of Bottarelli with the Clio S1600 on SS 3. Good to hear that Campedelli and Comini are ok. Are the drivers after them going to do the stage competitively or as a liaison section?

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic run by Paolo Andreucci today :eek:


I'm glad Alex Perico is at least performing well in the 207 :D

[Madeira]

Impressive 7th time overall of Bottarelli with the Clio S1600 on SS 3. Good to hear that Campedelli and Comini are ok. Are the drivers after them going to do the stage competitively or as a liaison section?


No news about that yet.
Luca Rossetti are blaming the Peugeot's set-up. A little hard...

[Madeira]

Andreucci has felt some fear due his starting position, because the rally can be stopped at any moment caused by any accident...

[Madeira]

In SS4 the drivers are doing as a liaison section. Notional time for most of them

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Andreucci is performing like last year's Sanremo... Let's see how long he can keep the 1st position.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Any informations about what happened with Dallavilla in SS3 ??

[urabus-denoS2000]

Why does it say that Pietro Botta is leading in a Clio Sport?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Why does it say that Pietro Botta is leading in a Clio Sport?

It just could be an error :s mokin:

[urabus-denoS2000]

I guess that so,it says that Botta is first and Andreucci 7 minutes behind...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

SS5 running

[wwbroe]

Andreucci again fastest on stage 5, stays in the lead by nearly 40s on Rosetti. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Andreucci again fastest on stage 5, stays in the lead by nearly 40s on Rosetti. ;)


33s exactly :p :

[Madeira]

]It looks like Dallavila had big problems in SS3 :(
No, it was a time error. He did 10'00"0 instead of 12'00"0.

[HaCo]

Nice rally again in Italy. :D

[Madeira]

The weather conditions are better now. It is not raining. In SS6Basso have found fog on the stage, more than Rossetti, Travaglia and Longhi... and Andreucci still increasing the gap...

EDit: Puncture for Perico...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

It looks like Subaru boys (Ago and Longhi) failed in buying the road position.. look at what Andreucci is doing...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Sorry, but I have to say it again..

ITALIAN LIVE STAGE RESULTS ARE A BIG ****

There should be a penalty for organizations who provide internet services like this... :s mokin: :s mokin:

[Madeira]

Yes Paulo, I knew it....!! always the same ****...!!

ERC standings after SS6
1. Rossetti
2. Basso
3. Longhi
4. Travaglia
5. Aghini
6. Fontana
7. Solowow
8. Czopick

[PLuto]

So you can follow results here: http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/millemiglia

[PLuto]

And on official pages of European Rally Championship you can find interviews with drivers after SS 5.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

So you can follow results here: http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/erc/millemiglia

Sorry Pluto.. but there it's even slower than in "official" live stage results :(

[jure dvorsek]

Anyway, Ucci is doing great today, increasing the lead. He is in his minds already in tomorrow stages, where he will have to defend his lead.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Czopik retired in SS7 due to mechanical problems..

And Perico lost power steering :(

what a shame for Perico who was doing his best race since he drive the 207 S2000

[[Madeira-Rally]]

The weather is getting better in Italy.. and Basso is improving his pace.

I'm not sure, but I think Basso lost too much times in the first stages because of weather conditions (rain, fog)

[PLuto]

]Sorry Pluto.. but there it's even slower than in "official" live stage results :(

Sometimes faster, sometimes slower. All of pages has the same source...

[PLuto]

]The weather is getting better in Italy.. and Basso is improving his pace.

I'm not sure, but I think Basso lost too much times in the first stages because of weather conditions (rain, fog)

Yes, for drivers with higher numbers was weather better. But all Abarth drivers had problems with setup and tyres...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Matteo Gamba retired with a broken engine :(

[CricketsFilm]

Online video onboard of S.S. 1,2,3,4 and 5 of Fontana-Casazza (Fiat Punto S2000), on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.com "Corrado Fontana Channel TV"

[Madeira]

Online video onboard of S.S. 1,2,3,4 and 5 of Fontana-Casazza (Fiat Punto S2000), on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.com "Corrado Fontana Channel TV"

Thank you Luca, but all of them are onboard videos, why you did not inserted some of them taken from the road...as you did last season?

[Mirek]

Hehe :D
http://www.rally-erc.com/foto/pluto_interview.jpg

... my smile is not for Czopik ...

[Raven]

Because it's easier and faster. I'm sure we soon will see some good action outside of the car :)

[Jarek Z]

]Hehe :D
... my smile is not for Czopik ...

Yes, I also know both guys, the blue one and the red one. I wonder who is faster? :D

[urabus-denoS2000]

Fast time for Isik on SS9

[dimviii]

impressive pace from Ucci! :eek:

bravo!!!

[CricketsFilm]

Thank you Luca, but all of them are onboard videos, why you did not inserted some of them taken from the road...as you did last season?

This year Fontana wants only onboards and interview.... when possible I will insert online other images...
I am sorry....

[urabus-denoS2000]

Are there any good vids?

[Madeira]

This year Fontana wants only onboards and interview.... when possible I will insert online other images...
I am sorry....

I know, if he pays he has the right to decide what's better for himself. Maybe he doesn't want to pay a service to give free images from his opponents, but how is possible to promove their sponsors only by this way?, How he can bring more enthusiasm to the ERC if he ignores the competition?.how he can add more value for this competition and so that also for his main sponsors?
Is a litlle bit boring to see so many onboard stages...
I'm not paying it is easy for me give you this opinion...I know!!

[CricketsFilm]

I know, if he pays he has the right to decide what's better for himself. Maybe he doesn't want to pay a service to give free images from his opponents, but how is possible to promove their sponsors only by this way?, How he can bring more enthusiasm to the ERC if he ignores the competition?.how he can add more value for this competition and so that also for his main sponsors?
Is a litlle bit boring to see so many onboard stages...
I'm not paying it is easy for me give you this opinion...I know!!

The Format of Corrado Fontana Channel Tv 2008, is only a choose because his sponsor ask this work type... only for this... one problem for this race (Mille Miglia) is a "television rights" in Italian Rally Championship... this regulamentation, not permit me to publish other images...

[Madeira]

The Format of Corrado Fontana Channel Tv 2008, is only a choose because his sponsor ask this work type... only for this... one problem for this race (Mille Miglia) is a "television rights" in Italian Rally Championship... this regulamentation, not permit me to publish other images...
I see...thank your by you clarification. So keep doing your excellent job. Meanwhile we will continue to follow the onboard videos from Corrado and listen the voice Renzo Casazza until the total exhaustion... ;)

[wwbroe]

Andreucci woke up well, as he is again fastest on today's first stage, stage 10. He takes it from Basso and Rosetti. :D
Longhi is loosing quite a lot of time on this stage (about 45 sec).

[dimviii]

go -go Ucci :D

how do you explain this lead over s2000?
is he a better driver than Basso-Travaglia-Rosseti etc?
or the mitsu is better than s2000 in these conditions?
is it raining again?

[wwbroe]

go -go Ucci :D

how do you explain this lead over s2000?
is he a better driver than Basso-Travaglia-Rosseti etc?
or the mitsu is better than s2000 in these conditions?
is it raining again?

Yes the weather conditions are the same as yesterday, with some rain and fog. Probably Andreucci is the better driver especially in the rain i think. ;)

[wwbroe]

And another stage win for Andreucci on stage 11, he is really on the move and beating Rosetti and Basso on this stage. :D

[dimviii]

thanks wwbroe :D

other opinions?

[wwbroe]

Does anybody know why Perico looses about two minutes on stage eleven :confused:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

go -go Ucci :D

how do you explain this lead over s2000?
is he a better driver than Basso-Travaglia-Rosseti etc?
or the mitsu is better than s2000 in these conditions?
is it raining again?

1 - To explain this lead of Ucci over S2000 it's not easy, and you must consider a lot of variables.

2 - I don't think Andreucci is Better than S2000 boys, I think they are all very good and they are almost at the same level.

3 - Even in wet roads, I think S2000 still with some advantage over the traditional GR N car. But... In this case, Basso and Rossetti passed yesterday too much early in comparison with Ucci.. and probably weather conditions played in favour of Ucci.. When Basso and Rossetti pass there was some fog, etc...

Analyse the stage times.. there are some stages where Basso took more than 20 sec. from the first pass!
But this doesn't mean Andreucci doesn't deserve this place... off course he deserve it! Look at what he is doing again today! there is only one word to explain this exhibition of Andreucci and Rallyart Italy : FANTASTIC!

[Madeira]

Does anybody know why Perico looses about two minutes on stage eleven :confused:

Good Morning!
Is not clear, but it could be power steering troubles once again....


Edit: Yes, it is confirmed. Power steering problems.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Does anybody know why Perico looses about two minutes on stage eleven :confused:

Power steering problems again :s

[kabouter]

I don't think Andreucci is that much better than Basso and Rossetti, but with all his experience he might have the edge in wet conditions. He is clearly having a great rally, and I hope he can go on until the end and take a deserved victory.

[Madeira]

I never understood why Andreucci did not went outside Italy to try an international career like Piero Liatti...Very impressive driver...
When I thought he would drive today in safe mode, look on his stages times..

[wwbroe]

Basso takes fastest time on stage 12, but Andreucci is in control of everything. Perico looses another 3 minutes. :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

How unlucky Alessandro Perico is with that disastrous power steering !!! ;(

[[Madeira-Rally]]

I never understood why Andreucci did not went outside Italy to try an international career like Piero Liatti...Very impressive driver...
When I thought he would drive today in safe mode, look on his stages times..

I wrote this post in another thread some time ago.. but it still actual and I think it will answer to your question ;)


Paolo Andreucci is one of the best Italian drivers.
He is a very talented driver, with a particular style, he is always spectacular and very very fast, no matter the car. He was successful with Gr A cars, Gr N, WRC, S1600, S2000 and know he is back to Gr N again.

In the middle of 90's Ucci (his nickname in Italy) started to have some status in Italian Rallys, and teams started to give him some nice cars to get better results.

A picture of him driving a Clio in Rally del Ciocco 1994. (http://www.forninoracing.it/Immagini/Andreucci_94.jpg)
It was his first big title, he won F2 Champ.
In 1996 he started with a spectacular Clio Maxi (http://www.forninoracing.it/Immagini/Andreucci_96.jpg)and once again he was F2 Champion again.

I think it was in 1997 (if wasn't 97 it was 98) when he switch to a Mégane Maxi that he had several problems with FIA. It was during Sanremo Rally, Andreucci was doing some brilliant times with his Mégane, but he eventually did some illegal reconnaissance of the itinerary and was DQ. Maybe it was the critical point of Andreucci's career... It could be the reason why he never got an International program :(

Then he started to drive Impreza WRC with Procar.
He did some international rallys, for example Madeira, were, I had the opportunity (http://www.landshow.pt/ucci1.jpg)to see this brilliant driver in action. It was in 1999 but I will never forget him. It's a kind of driver that you never forget (http://www.landshow.pt/ucci2.jpg) :)

Then he drove a Focus WRC from Procar (http://www.adriatuning.it/images/service/guidasport_andreucci001.jpg) and was Italian champion.

In 2002 he moved to Fiat (http://www.paoloandreucci.com/images/zoom/SUHIWZ/viewsize/1000m_1.jpg) Team as a works driver and started to drive in the new category S1600. Between 2002 and 2005 he was always S1600 Champion. In 2003 he joined the S1600 title with overall title too :)

He developed the first ever S2000 car, The Punto S200 and in the first year he was Italian Champion!

He did some participations in Polish Champ. with Fiat S1600 and S2000 to show the potential of Fiat Cars.

In 2007 he moved to Ralliart Italy, the target was to prove that a conventional Gr N Car still competitive against S2000. It isn't easy to sow taht, but in some events Andreucci proved that a TOP Gr N Car with a TOP driver can do it with some lucky...

When he was driving the S1600 he was Subaru test driver too. He used to test Prodrive cars in specially in Tarmac roads. This year he did some tests with Pirelli tyres in order to help Pirelli to develop they tyres for 2008 WRC.
Sometime ago, there was a rumor that Andreucci could run some WRC events with Pirelli.

Andreucci 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dp_P_z8zwg)

Andreucci 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozZfeOkmao)

Andreucci 2006 Polish rally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLGCNdIQi4)

[CricketsFilm]

Now Live from Service Park "Grifone" Corrado Fontana"

[Madeira]

Now Live from Service Park "Grifone" Corrado Fontana"
Nice Luca, is working very well!
Who is the lady behind...?? :)

[Jarek Z]

]I wrote this post in another thread some time ago.. but it still actual and I think it will answer to your question ;)


Paolo Andreucci is one of the best Italian drivers.
He is a very talented driver, with a particular style, he is always spectacular and very very fast, no matter the car. He was successful with Gr A cars, Gr N, WRC, S1600, S2000 and know he is back to Gr N again.

In the middle of 90's Ucci (his nickname in Italy) started to have some status in Italian Rallys, and teams started to give him some nice cars to get better results.

A picture of him driving a Clio in Rally del Ciocco 1994. (http://www.forninoracing.it/Immagini/Andreucci_94.jpg)
It was his first big title, he won F2 Champ.
In 1996 he started with a spectacular Clio Maxi (http://www.forninoracing.it/Immagini/Andreucci_96.jpg)and once again he was F2 Champion again.

I think it was in 1997 (if wasn't 97 it was 98) when he switch to a Mégane Maxi that he had several problems with FIA. It was during Sanremo Rally, Andreucci was doing some brilliant times with his Mégane, but he eventually did some illegal reconnaissance of the itinerary and was DQ. Maybe it was the critical point of Andreucci's career... It could be the reason why he never got an International program :(

Then he started to drive Impreza WRC with Procar.
He did some international rallys, for example Madeira, were, I had the opportunity (http://www.landshow.pt/ucci1.jpg)to see this brilliant driver in action. It was in 1999 but I will never forget him. It's a kind of driver that you never forget (http://www.landshow.pt/ucci2.jpg) :)

Then he drove a Focus WRC from Procar (http://www.adriatuning.it/images/service/guidasport_andreucci001.jpg) and was Italian champion.

In 2002 he moved to Fiat (http://www.paoloandreucci.com/images/zoom/SUHIWZ/viewsize/1000m_1.jpg) Team as a works driver and started to drive in the new category S1600. Between 2002 and 2005 he was always S1600 Champion. In 2003 he joined the S1600 title with overall title too :)

He developed the first ever S2000 car, The Punto S200 and in the first year he was Italian Champion!

He did some participations in Polish Champ. with Fiat S1600 and S2000 to show the potential of Fiat Cars.

In 2007 he moved to Ralliart Italy, the target was to prove that a conventional Gr N Car still competitive against S2000. It isn't easy to sow taht, but in some events Andreucci proved that a TOP Gr N Car with a TOP driver can do it with some lucky...

When he was driving the S1600 he was Subaru test driver too. He used to test Prodrive cars in specially in Tarmac roads. This year he did some tests with Pirelli tyres in order to help Pirelli to develop they tyres for 2008 WRC.
Sometime ago, there was a rumor that Andreucci could run some WRC events with Pirelli.

Andreucci 2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dp_P_z8zwg)

Andreucci 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ozZfeOkmao)

Andreucci 2006 Polish rally (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XLGCNdIQi4)

Wow, that was a nice piece of history lesson :)
Thanks for that! I am Ucci fan as well!

[Mirek]

go -go Ucci :D

how do you explain this lead over s2000?
is he a better driver than Basso-Travaglia-Rosseti etc?
or the mitsu is better than s2000 in these conditions?
is it raining again?

1. Ucci is on PIRELLI as the only one from those behind him. Pirelli were alway superior in wet condition.
2. Ucci was always great on wet.
3. Wet condition are the best possible for gr. N cars against S2000. They don't have problems with overheating tyres (due to big mass) and they also have good torque and good useful rpm ratio along with central active differential.
4. He is doing fantastic job there! :)

[CricketsFilm]

Nice Luca, is working very well!
Who is the lady behind...?? :)

She was the girlfriend of Fabrizio Tabaton (Grifone Patron)...

[dimviii]

@Mirek
very good explanation except No 3 :rolleyes:
i think that the extreme torque from mitsu at low rpms (52-58kg@3000~ rpm) makes these cars more nervous at wet conditions.
rpms ratio as i know it is very narrow (2500-5000rpms) not better than a s200:rolleyes:

[Mirek]

dimvii: Wrong since that rpm ratio is very wide! The car has more than one third longer gears than S2000.

For example Evo 9 has almost constant power from 3000-5000 rpm but it has very long gears (the power before and after that ratio is also not falling fast). S2000 has practicaly no constant power range. Some 90% and more are somewhere around 8000-8500 rpm and with at least one third closer gear ratios. If an S2000 has better rpm ratio than gr. N car it must have constant power in some 3000 rpm range and that is impossible.

[dimviii]

ok Mirek i get it now! :)

[PLuto]

Weather conditions are very hard today. Somewhere is dry, somewhere is wet, somewhere is fog. Everything is about tyre choice...


For last stages most of drivers went out with cutted slicks.

[PLuto]

Giandomenico Basso retired on SS 13 due to gearbox failure.

[PLuto]

Michal Solowow retired in SS 13 due to damaged wheel.

[Madeira]

Sandro Sottile retired due brakes problems

[wwbroe]

Sandro Sottile retired due brakes problems

This stage 13, what a "number", seems to be fatal to quite a lot of drivers. :eek:

[dimviii]

from www.vysledky (http://www.vysledky) the weather at ss 13 is sunny and dry at 19 celsius
Ucci again faster while he is +48 sec ahead :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

But stage is in a high altitudes (1800 m) and parts are still wet and there is fog reported somewhere...

[Madeira]

Top 5 is decided now!

1.Andreucci
2.Rossetti
3Travaglia
4.Longhi
5.Navarra

[Madeira]

Isik retired 1 km before the end of SS13...

[dimviii]

so andreucci s turbocharged evo has a disadvantage against normal aspirated s2000 at 1800metres :p

impressive pace from Ucci....really impressive...

[Mirek]

dimviii: Again wrong. Any turbocharged engine has an advantage against normaly aspirated one in high altitude. Why do You think the turbochargers were developped for airplanes?

[dimviii]

no Mirek is not that way.

a turbocharged engine can swallow more air than its capacity
a normal aspirated engine can swallow air as much the cc it has

so if the air have a loss of 10% at 1800metres you can imagine why the turbocharged engine has disadvantage at high altitudes

for airplanes is different reasons they preffered turbochargers(weight/power)

[Mirek]

No, no, no. Completely wrong. The most important thing for any engine in gaining power is inlet pressure! And normaly aspirated engine has the pressure only slightly bigger than atmospheric (due to the amplitudes of the air flow). So the lower atmospheric pressure the lower power. But turbocharged engine is able to gain much more pressure not so limitated to atmospheric one. The power is lower too but not that much.

It was actualy the reason why they developped the turbochargers or superchargers for airplanes. You can easyly compare the same airplanes from for example WWII with non turbocharged and turbocharged versions of engine. Which one of them had better ceiling and how much? ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Sorry Mirek but as I know.. "dimwiii" is correct :)

Another notes.. Aghini had a punture in SS14 and lost 2 min.
After solving the problems with power steering, Perico is pushing hard once again!

[wwbroe]

Andreucci fastest again, and very clear in the lead after stage 14, so one stage to go, thubs up for Ucci ;)

[Mirek]

Madeira: Sorry, but You are both wrong. But if You want to stay that I don't mind. It's Your choice ;)

[wwbroe]

]Madeira: Sorry, but You are both wrong. But if You want to stay that I don't mind. It's Your choice ;)

For what it is worth, i agree with Mirek. :D

[[Madeira-Rally]]

]Madeira: Sorry, but You are both wrong. But if You want to stay that I don't mind. It's Your choice ;)

Yes ;)

keep your opinion and I will keep mine :)

[Madeira]

]Madeira: Sorry, but You are both wrong. But if You want to stay that I don't mind. It's Your choice ;)

you mean [Madeira-rally] :p

[Mirek]

I don't have enough energy to translate my books but in this article You can lear much about turbocharging:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbocharger

It is very long but maybe History/Aviation is enough ;)

[Mirek]

Madeira: You both have almost the same nick and I can't recognize You :D

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Rally is over... Andreucci won!!!

Congratulations to him... what a fantastic performance he had!

[wwbroe]

]Rally is over... Andreucci won!!!

Congratulations to him... what a fantastic performance he had!

Great result indeed for him. Rosetti takes second, who is leading in Italian Championship? Is it for Rosetti or still Longhi? :D

[Madeira]

Yes, good result also for Rossetti specialy for ERC at least... In Italy this year, Rossetti looks like Enrique Garcia Ojeda in IRC. Still Without any victory!!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Last stage is stopped.. last car running is Donchev.. something wrong happened with some driver...

[Madeira]

After 1000 Miglia, Rossetti is the new leader of Italian Championship...

1º-Rossetti-22
2º-Longhi-19

[wwbroe]

After 1000 Miglia, Rossetti is the new leader of Italian Championship...

1º-Rossetti-22
2º-Longhi-19

Ok, thank you Madeira, what about European Championship, he is well in the lead also i guess? :D

[PLuto]

ERC classification: http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=25

[wwbroe]

ERC classification: http://www.autosport.cz/souteze/bodovani.php?id=25

Thanks Pluto, Rosetti has a good lead over Travaglia. ;)

[Mirek]

Second "winner" for me is Elwis Chentre whose sixteenth place with C2R2 is something hard to believe :)

[dimviii]

congrats to Ucci!!
fantastic victory for him and ralliart italy too.

@mirek
i ll stay with my opinion,cause that was known in rallying since metro 6r4 vs 205t16-delta s4 etc.
just a small example
turbo engine 2,0 l lets say that can push 3,0l inside cylinders
normal aspirated engines 2,0l can push inside 2,0l
if the air at 1000 metres loses oxygen 10% do that..
3000cc x 10%= 300cc
2000cc x 10%= 200cc :)

[Mirek]

Dimviii: You are simply wrong just from the original idea. Sorry.

Emounth of air which is sucked into the cylinder (must be measured in mass units) depends on pressure difference. And the change of the pressure difference in turbo engine is in percentage always lower in any case. Turbo is always making more pressure than the engine is able to work with in lower atmospheric pressure. Wastegate valve which regulates absolute pressure is controlled by absolute pressure no matter the atmospheric one (changing wastegate valve characteristics is usual way of cheating).

Btw. One of common using of turbochargers in aircraft is to normalize the inlet pressure. Simply to make it constant in any altitude.

[dimviii]

wrong again...
the problem is not the mass of air
the problem in high atildutes is the less oxygen
the turbocharged car swallows same mass,but with less oxygen ...thats the problem.
i don t know good english to explain it better,sorry.

[Mirek]

Hehe, there is the same mass of oxygen in the same mass of air (23 mass percent from sea level up to ca 20 kms of altitude). That is simply fact. There realy is less mass of oxygen in the same volume, but that's why it must be counted in mass units but not volumetric (because there is also less mass of others due to a lower density). And density depends on what? An absolute pressure :)

[Tom206wrc]

Well done Paolo Andreucci !!! If the lancer is reliable he'll be a strong contender for the title :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Congratulations to Andreucci,he was fantastic and made no mistakes!!!Congratulations to Chentre as well!!!

[Madeira]

Ok, thank you Madeira, what about European Championship, he is well in the lead also i guess? :D

well, probably I did a mistake on my accounts to the CIR standings.
Here is after 1000 Miglia

1.Longhi 20
1.Rossetti 20
3.Andreucci 11
3.Navarra 11
5.Travaglia 9

[wwbroe]

well, probably I did a mistake on my accounts to the CIR standings.
Here is after 1000 Miglia

1.Longhi 20
1.Rossetti 20
3.Andreucci 11
3.Navarra 11
5.Travaglia 9

Yes, i think you are right Madeira, the only thing i can add to that is that Cantamessa should be sixth wit 8,5 points. Thanks ;)

[CricketsFilm]

Online Onboard of all S.S. 15 "Pertiche" to 32. Rally 1000 Miglia 2008 of Corrado Fontana-Billy Casazza (Abarth Punto S2000 - Grifone), on:

http://www.cricketsfilm.tv "Corrado Fontana Channel"

[Mirek]

Will there be some video on Grifone channel too?

[Jarek Z]

Two intersting photos from Mille Miglia:

http://www.rallylinkserver.com/ImageFolio4_files/gallery/Rally/Mille_Miglia_2008/fotosport/-gio_3985.jpg

http://www.rallylinkserver.com/ImageFolio4_files/gallery/Rally/Mille_Miglia_2008/fotosport/-gio_4000.jpg

[Mirek]

Seems like Krum wanted to save two tyres for another stage :D

[HaCo]

Lol :)

[CricketsFilm]

]Will there be some video on Grifone channel too?

Sure!!! Next Wednesday we have Test with Didier.....

[Mirek]

Thanks but I ment from Mille Miglia ;)

[janez l.]

Good videos from Italy.

http://www.spaziorally.it/

[Alink2]

I desperately need some hi-res photos from 1000 Miglia of Rosetti, Travaglia, Longhi, Torlasco, Donchev, Fontana for magazine.

All photos used will be credited to photographer.

Many thanks

Paul

[Jarek Z]

I desperately need some hi-res photos from 1000 Miglia of Rosetti, Travaglia, Longhi, Torlasco, Donchev, Fontana for magazine.

All photos used will be credited to photographer.

Many thanks

Paul

Paul, try writing e-mails to the drivers. I tried it in the past (using e-mail addresses from their official websites) and both Travaglia and Rossetti sent me their hi-res photos without any problems. Good luck!

[Alink2]

Paul, try writing e-mails to the drivers. I tried it in the past (using e-mail addresses from their official websites) and both Travaglia and Rossetti sent me their hi-res photos without any problems. Good luck!

Hi Jarek.

I can't find a website for Rossetti or email address - do you have one?

Thanks, Paul

[Jarek Z]

LOL how difficult is that? :D
http://www.lucarossetti.com

[Alink2]

LOL how difficult is that? :D
http://www.lucarossetti.com

Doh!!!!! I was spelling rossetti with one 's' in google.

Thanks Jarek