[CIR] 36º Rally di San Marino-27-29 March

[Madeira]

Next weekend will be held the second round of Italian Rally Championship, first round of Italian gravel championship and finally, first round of European Rally Cup-South-West-Coef. 5

36º Rally di San Marino

Entry List:
http://www.rallysanmarino.com/2008/pdf/iscritti.pdf

Time table:
http://www.rallysanmarino.com/2008/pdf/rg_tabelle.pdf

[kabouter]

That's a decent entry list (as could be expected from an Italian Championship round). And nice to see Pasi Hagström (1999 Finnish Rally Champion) back in action.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Yes... nice to see Hagström again in competition... he has been "disappeared" since 2001...

And nice to see Aghini in the entry.. I was thinking that the last accident he had could be the finish of his career...

[Tom206wrc]

Start of leg one tomorrow ;)

[HaCo]

Pics of shakedown...
http://www.rallylinkserver.com/sanmarino/02/thumb.html

[Tom206wrc]

Thanks Haco :)

[Tom206wrc]

Radik Shaymiev wasn't at the scruteneering today, he's forfait on this rally :mark:

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Longhi is being fastest once again.. as he did in Ciocco... but.. the other s aren't so far.. it will be interesting to follow this rally!

[wwbroe]

SS1, Longhi fastest, Rosetti +5"9, Travaglia +10"8, Cantamessa +11", Navarra +18". The time differences are not that small. ;)

[Madeira]

Results:
http://www.linkpointsm.com/crono/sanmarino2008/

[wwbroe]

Longhi again fastest on SS2, as three cars are trough. He is only 1,6 sec faster than Rosetti, but again 18 sec faster than Travaglia. :)

[Madeira]

In SS1 big problems for Andreucci hazard lights on and some smoke...

[wwbroe]

In SS1 big problems for Andreucci hazard lights on and some smoke...

Do you have any more news about Andreucci, did he abandone? Seems like only Rosetti is capable of following Longhi in the stagetimes.

[wwbroe]

No time for Hagstrom on SS2 :confused: . Does anybody know what happened with him, his time on SS1 wasn't that good neither.

[Madeira]

No time for Hagstrom on SS2 :confused: . Does anybody know what happened with him, his time on SS1 wasn't that good neither.

Hagstrom is doing the Subaru Cup and in fact no news, maybe bad news...!

[Madeira]

It looks Hagstrom had not any problem in SS2 only problems with results system...

[jure dvorsek]

Damm, Ucci already out.....

[Tom206wrc]

Yes big technical problems with the server of the live-results site apparently :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

Federico Martelli out on SS3, if "Dedo" is confirmed out too(on SS2), two 207 S2000 retired :(

[wwbroe]

Federico Martelli out on SS3, if "Dedo" is confirmed out too(on SS2), two 207 S2000 retired :(

Tom, where did you get this information? The resultpage of the rally doesn't seem to work anymore, so i don't have any more information :mad:

[Madeira]

SS3

longhi 5.44.8
Rossetti 5.45.8
Cantamessa 5.51.2
Travaglia 5.55.2
Perico 5.59.2
Trentin 5.59.4
Scandola 6.00.1
Aghini 6.00.8
Cavallini 6.01.2
Ceccoli 6.01.6
Navarra 6.03.2
Gianfico 6.08.2

[wwbroe]

Madeira, where did you find the results?

[Madeira]

Madeira, where did you find the results?

Here:

http://www.rallylinknews.com/news/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=24&Itemid=40

Only Italian Language

[wwbroe]

Longhi seems to be fastest again on SS4, but no signs of Rosetti. Anybody have any more news?

[wwbroe]

I also noticed that Longhi is about 2'15" slower in second run trough this stage. First stage 12'05" and now in second run 14'20". What about weather conditions over there?

[wwbroe]

Something is definitely wrong with the timing-service. Now all of a sudden it is Rosetti with the top time and Longhi and others are now at 2 min. Hard to believe, allthough this time of Rosetti is about the same time as first run. The results are certainly not very reliable!!!!

[wwbroe]

They finally got the times right, so after stage 5 it is still Longhi in charge, ahead of Rosetti and Cantamezza. Also Hagstrom is improving a lot second run trough the stages.

[wwbroe]

Travaglia hit mechanical problems and seems he abandoned after stage 4.

[Madeira]

Travaglia hit mechanical problems and seems he abandoned after stage 4.

yes, and Andrea Aghini rolled and is out too. Crew is ok.

[uncoversport]

Hey guys,

Here's some images from the action:
http://www.serviceparknews.com/?c=123&a=1243

[wwbroe]

And another fastest time for Longhi on stage 6, Rosetti second. Overall still same top three: Longhi, Rosetti and Cantamessa.

[HaCo]

Here are stage results too:
http://www.linkpointsm.com/crono/sanmarino2008/

[Tom206wrc]

Retirement with engine problem for Alessandro Bettega who was doing a great job(3rd of the gravel championship, 6th overall) :(

[HaCo]

where is longhi on ss7? :(

[wwbroe]

He's doing fastest time again on SS7, but the results-site is really a mess.

[HaCo]

Oooof... it's nice to see what he does in his Subaru!

[HaCo]

What an awesome battle in the front!!! Rosseti (Italians call him Rox?) took back 2 secs from Longhi, they are only sepperated by 10 secs!!!

[wwbroe]

What an awesome battle in the front!!! Rosseti (Italians call him Rox?) took back 2 secs from Longhi, they are only sepperated by 10 secs!!!

Yeah Haco, a real interesting battle at the front. These two are the only ones fighting for victory though, because the rest is quite far behind them now. It is strange that Gr. N seems to be faster then S2000, but it was also the case in first rally (Ciocco) :o

[HaCo]

Last year Ucci won in his Mitsu in San Marino... I think the Punto's are quite far behind. Pitty Travaghlia is out, he was faster than Navarra.

[wwbroe]

Rosetti takes the last stage win of the day by 0,3 sec of Longhi. The top three stays the same: Longhi, Rosetti and Navarra. Great battle going on tomorrow?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Yes.. great battle for 1st place tomorrow.

I would like to understand why last Year Subaru was always off the pace.. and this year with the same car.. they ar the feastest.... interesting.

[jure dvorsek]

Well, I'm observing CIR for many years very closley-comparison between S2000 and N4: last year Ciocco, race was in rain-winner was Ucci with Lancer N4,last year S.Marino-gravel, winner was Longhi with Suby, last year Targa Florio, first day rain-winner was Ucci again, last year San Crispino-gravel,winner Ucci again, last year San Remo, leader after first day in rain Ucci.This year winner on Ciocco in havey rain Longh with old suby N12b, he is also leading gravel stages in San Marino...What kind of proof do you want more???If the conditions are slipery, than N4 car with a top-driver is as least fast as S2000. It is yust shame for S2000 driver when they win on dry tarmac and they are very proud of this...For me personaly this is not something especaly, because S2000 has at least a 1sec/km advantage on dry tarmac against N4 car.But, when are conditions changed and the driver must show also his knowledge and not yust car's advantages, than we have different story...So, for me personaly the true drivers are Andreucci and Longhi !

[Tom206wrc]

Alan Scorccioni retired at the last service of the day(after SS9), he was 5th overall(2nd of the gravel championship) ;(

[HaCo]

Oops, I thought ucci won San Marino last year, must be my mistake...

[HaCo]

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teiRlIMyqSk

[wwbroe]

Rosetti took the first stage of the day, but on the second one he lost 22"1 to Longhi, so Longhi has now a good lead of just over half a minute. Navarra still stays in third position.

[Jarek Z]

Well, I'm observing CIR for many years very closley-comparison between S2000 and N4: last year Ciocco, race was in rain-winner was Ucci with Lancer N4,last year S.Marino-gravel, winner was Longhi with Suby, last year Targa Florio, first day rain-winner was Ucci again, last year San Crispino-gravel,winner Ucci again, last year San Remo, leader after first day in rain Ucci.This year winner on Ciocco in havey rain Longh with old suby N12b, he is also leading gravel stages in San Marino...What kind of proof do you want more???If the conditions are slipery, than N4 car with a top-driver is as least fast as S2000. It is yust shame for S2000 driver when they win on dry tarmac and they are very proud of this...For me personaly this is not something especaly, because S2000 has at least a 1sec/km advantage on dry tarmac against N4 car.But, when are conditions changed and the driver must show also his knowledge and not yust car's advantages, than we have different story...So, for me personaly the true drivers are Andreucci and Longhi !

Thank you for this analysis. If you follow Italian rally scene so closely, do you happen to know what Emanuele Dati and Andrea Dallavilla are going to do this year?

[HaCo]

Longhi won the rally, what a great result for him. Did he get full points in the last round as well?

[wwbroe]

No i don't think they got any points at all from first round, because rally was stopped after only four stage's.

[Tom206wrc]

Great event for Longhi and Rossetti :up:

Many unlucky retirements on this rally :(

Unawaited victory on the TRT(gravel championship)by Mauro Trentin, mainly thanks to retirements(Scandola, Scorcioni,...)

[Wim_Impreza]

No i don't think they got any points at all from first round, because rally was stopped after only four stage's.

The top 8 drivers collected half points from first rally: 5 for Longhi, 4 for Rossetti...

[wwbroe]

The top 8 drivers collected half points from first rally: 5 for Longhi, 4 for Rossetti...

Ok, thanks for the info Wim. :)

[Jarek Z]

The top 8 drivers collected half points from first rally: 5 for Longhi, 4 for Rossetti...

Yes, that's true. And now, after San Marino, Longhi is leading the championship (15 points) ahead of Rossetti. Well done Piero!!!

But the next rally is the famous Mille Miglia on April 19. It's also the second round of European Championship. In this rally Super 2000 cars are usually faster than group N and Longhi will have to fight very hard if he wants to stay ahead of Rossetti...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Well, I'm observing CIR for many years very closley-comparison between S2000 and N4: last year Ciocco, race was in rain-winner was Ucci with Lancer N4,last year S.Marino-gravel, winner was Longhi with Suby, last year Targa Florio, first day rain-winner was Ucci again, last year San Crispino-gravel,winner Ucci again, last year San Remo, leader after first day in rain Ucci.This year winner on Ciocco in havey rain Longh with old suby N12b, he is also leading gravel stages in San Marino...What kind of proof do you want more???If the conditions are slipery, than N4 car with a top-driver is as least fast as S2000. It is yust shame for S2000 driver when they win on dry tarmac and they are very proud of this...For me personaly this is not something especaly, because S2000 has at least a 1sec/km advantage on dry tarmac against N4 car.But, when are conditions changed and the driver must show also his knowledge and not yust car's advantages, than we have different story...So, for me personaly the true drivers are Andreucci and Longhi !

I agree with you in some opinions.. but..

I was asking... how it's possible they do better results with an old car.. in comparinson with last year? because last year.. even in bad conditions.. both Subaru drivers.. Aghini and Longhi were always far from the lead...
They developed the Imprezas N12 B? they solved some old problems? I know that Longhi, Andreucci, Aghini, Travaglia etc etc are really good drivers.. no matter the car.

[HaCo]

When will the N14 arrive for the Subaru Team Italy?

[Jarek Z]

When will the N14 arrive for the Subaru Team Italy?

Now that they finally developed N12 they can just cut off the trunk and continue, can't they? :D

[Madeira]

When will the N14 arrive for the Subaru Team Italy?

They already received the N14 Subaru. They did not want to take some risks before they can resolve some problems of reliability that the new cars have showed in previous tests of this season... they had some electrical problems.

[jure dvorsek]

Answer for Jarek Z: Dallavilla is still traying to find budget for S2000 car, about Dati-last year winner of Subaru Impreza Cup in Italiy-still quiet at this time.
Piero Longhi showed again his capabilies, he is at the moment Italian's Loeb...I think, that he will pray every day for the rain on Mille Miglia, because this is only way on tarmac to be in front of Rossetti or Travaglia, maybe Perico or Navarra...No matter if he will seat in suby N12B or N14. So again, well done Piero.
P.S.Did you noticed Mateo Gamba in this race?? He was last year a team-collegge of Andreucci. He will drive this year a clio R3, he was the fastest in San Marino(normaly!!) between front driven cars.

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