2008 Rally Argentina - official thread

[Micke_VOC]

Time to get a official tread maybe.

Some links:

Official site of the rally
http://www.rallyargentina.com/english/

Entry list
http://www.rallyargentina.com/english/inscriptos.php

Rally Radio
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/wrr_pop.jsp

Results:
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=405&season=2008&rally_id=RA
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php

Split Times
http://zone.ee/wrcmasters/index.php
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=RA

Drivers Bloggs:
PG
http://pgandersson.blogspot.com/

Sandell
http://patriksandell.blogspot.com/

Henning Solberg
http://www.vgb.no/6339/

[wrc_flipper]

Stage start time in Local and GMT....



Day1

SS1 LA CUMBRE 07:45 (GMT 10:45)

SS2 ASCOCHINGA - LA CUMBRE (I) 08:41 (GMT 11:41)
SS3 CAPILLA DEL MONTE - SAN MARCOS (I) 09:44 (GMT 12:44)
SS4 SAN MARCOS - CHARBONIER (I) 10:16 (GMT 13:16)
SS5 ASCOCHINGA - LA CUMBRE (II) 14:26 (GMT 17:26)
SS6 CAPILLA DEL MONTE - SAN MARCOS (II) 15:29 (GMT 18:29)
SS7 SAN MARCOS - CHARBONIER (II) 16:01 (GMT 19:01)
SS8 LA CUMBRE - AGUA DE ORO (II) 17:04 (GMT 20:04)
SS9 ESTADIO CORDOBA / CORDOBA STADIUM (I) 18:45 (GMT 21:45)


Day2

SS10 SANTA MONICA - AMBOY (I) 08:05 (GMT 11:05)

SS11 VILLA DEL DIQUE - LAS BAJADAS (I) 08:57 (GMT 11:57)
SS12 SAN AGUSTIN - VILLA GENERAL BELGRANO (I) 09:35 (GMT 12:35)
SS13 SANTA ROSA - SAN AGUSTIN (I) 10:20 (GMT 13:20)
SS14 SANTA MONICA - AMBOY (II) 14:25 (GMT 17:25)
SS15 VILLA DEL DIQUE - LAS BAJADAS (II) 15:17 (GMT 18:17)
SS16 SAN AGUSTIN - VILLA GENERAL BELGRANO (II) 15:55 (GMT 18:55)
SS17 SANTA ROSA - SAN AGUSTIN (II) 16:40 (GMT 19:40)
SS18 ESTADIO CORDOBA / CORDOBA STADIUM (II) 18:45 (GMT 21:45)


Day3

SS19 MINA CLAVERO - GIULIO CESARE 09:13 (GMT 12:13)


SS20 EL CONDOR - COPINA 10:05 (GMT 14:05)
SS21 ESTADIO CORDOBA / CORDOBA STADIUM 11:50 (GMT 15:50)

[pettersolberg29]

Perfect GMT times for me - brilliant!

Really buzzing about this one - although after 3 years of suffering, if Petter doesn't have a good result here I will have to kill someone...

[ZequeArgentina]

Just one comment,
Gabriel Pozo who was originally entried wih a Tango Team Lancer N4 for Argenina (as his only race for 2008, pWRC and national championship), has finally reached an agreement with Barattero (Subaru STI codeveloper in Argentina), so he will compete the rest of National Championship and the WRC round in Argenina this week with a Subaru N14.

New car and first race since UK Rally last year (were he lost his last vcahnce for 2007 PWRC crown), bu very good news for Pozzo.

Unfortunately all these came to close to the rally, and he was not nominated as wild card entry for PWRC points (Ligato and Beltran are nominated, a pitty cause this last one is not a good one)

[ZequeArgentina]

Perfect GMT times for me - brilliant!

Really buzzing about this one - although after 3 years of suffering, if Petter doesn't have a good result here I will have to kill someone...

If thatis the case Subaru will make this car work propperly just before it is replaced by a new one!!

[RichardM]

What does the collective think about how Travis Patrana will do with the more experienced Derek Rinker instead of Christian Edstrom. By the way, Christian is a great guy.

[ZequeArgentina]

What does the collective think about how Travis Patrana will do with the more experienced Derek Rinker instead of Christian Edstrom. By the way, Christian is a great guy.

A good co-driver is essential, and more in a case like Travis who is not used to writing notes.

I guess Travis will show big improvements, but not only for Derek, but because it will be the first wrc round he does for a second time, so he will have better notes and knowledge of the roads.

[Tomi]

What does the collective think about how Travis Patrana will do with the more experienced Derek Rinker instead of Christian Edstrom. By the way, Christian is a great guy.

I guess same as before, he will have no chance against the frontrunners, my guess is that the gap between him and the winner will be around 5 minutes.

[pettersolberg29]

Only 5 minutes?

Nearer 20 minutes surely as in Mexico 8th place was about 18 minutes behind wasn't it?
(I could be horribly wrong :) )

[tmx]

Perfect GMT times for me - brilliant!

Really buzzing about this one - although after 3 years of suffering, if Petter doesn't have a good result here I will have to kill someone...

I also expect Petter to get a podium here, it is time already, the car is looking better after new mexico.

[RichardM]

Only 5 minutes?

Nearer 20 minutes surely as in Mexico 8th place was about 18 minutes behind wasn't it?
(I could be horribly wrong :) )

Well, since I like Travis, I hope you are at least a little wrong. :)

I hope he does very well but I won't predict a win.

[pettersolberg29]

I'd love to see Travis getting points, but I don't think it'll happen.

He'll get too excited at a watersplash and retire!!

[Tomi]

Only 5 minutes?

Nearer 20 minutes surely as in Mexico 8th place was about 18 minutes behind wasn't it?
(I could be horribly wrong :) )

5 min behind the winner in PWRC.

[pettersolberg29]

Ah, that makes sense!

[pettersolberg29]

Has anyone got any tips for Surprise of the Rally?

Mine would be Sordo - can see him winning here for some reason.
I also think Atkinson will do well again.

[Corny]

Yes I've got a tip for you:

wake up and see that Atkinson and Sordo haven't got any chance to win!

How boring it is; it can only be 2 men that can win there

[Tomi]

The surprise will be Citroen struggeling with the tyres.

[pettersolberg29]

Yes I've got a tip for you:

wake up and see that Atkinson and Sordo haven't got any chance to win!

How boring it is; it can only be 2 men that can win there


Spoil sport :(

[Roy]

The surprise will be Citroen struggeling with the tyres.

and don't forget the engine, but that is no surprise.

[gloomyDAY]

I have a sneaky feeling that Petter will get a podium.
He's 0-2 this season in points, so third time's a charm.

[c4]

Has anyone got any tips for Surprise of the Rally?

Mine would be Sordo - can see him winning here for some reason.
I also think Atkinson will do well again.

Villagra could be close to top four by the end.

[jparker]

I have to admit, team Subaru and its supporters are the most optimistic people around :) Never give up, never surrender ..........

[grugsticles]

Surprise of the rally:
Atko taking 2nd place (pending mechanical failure) with Petter 4th.

[White Sauron]

Never give up, never surrender ..........

"Never to retrieve, never to surrender; to the death in the battlefield was the greatest glory they could achieve in their life. Spartans Subaru, the finest team the world has ever known..."

[ST205GT4]

Latvala or Loeb to win.
Hirvonnen a distant 3rd.
Atkinson 4th
Galli 5th
Petter 6th

Although I reckon you could swap Atkinson or Galli around.

[ShiftingGears]

Latvala or Loeb for the win. Atkinson or Hirvonen third.
I'm glad for Atkinson that he's got a better codriver.

[Xsara Fan]

I have to admit, team Subaru and its supporters are the most optimistic people around :) Never give up, never surrender ..........

The most optimistic - Latvala fans. I think he will retire.

[jure dvorsek]

Well, I think nothing dramaticly will happen. Loeb will win with a small margin against J.M.L, third Mikko, then Atko, maybe Peter or even Giggi....But Impreza's must first come to the end...

[Koppomsbo]

when is SD?

[WRC1]

when is SD?

4 hours time difference! so when SD normally runs between 8:00 and 12:00 it means it´s 12:00-16:00 in europe!

reg

wrc1

[Simmi]

Hopefully all that extra blue paint will slow Loeb down a bit this weekend.

Are Subaru's still needing to creep through watersplashes with this evolution of the S12?

[Doon]

Latvala or Loeb to win.
Hirvonnen a distant 3rd.
Atkinson 4th
Galli 5th
Petter 6th

Although I reckon you could swap Atkinson or Galli around.

Why has everyone given up hope for Hirvonen. He's been stuck in a position for the last two years where the teams point were most important, it must be hard to get out of that mind set. He'll step it up a notch soon i'm sure.

[turves]

Why has everyone given up hope for Hirvonen. He's been stuck in a position for the last two years where the teams point were most important, it must be hard to get out of that mind set. He'll step it up a notch soon i'm sure.

agreed, but he needs to get his backside in gear as Latvala has upped his game considerably

[Tom206wrc]

Are there SD news already, we are toward the end of shakedown now ??? :confused:

[Koppomsbo]

Pg lost one hour of Shakedown due to that his pit tent was destroyed in the strong winds and landed on the car and destroyed parts of the roof and the windscreen

[Tom206wrc]

Shakedown news ??? :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

Pg lost one hour of Shakedown due to that his pit tent was destroyed in the strong winds and landed on the car and destroyed parts of the roof and the windscreen

Could the wind cause visibility problems on stage do you think?

After the first cars have gone through, the dust thrown up will be blown for further. Just a possibility...

[Micke_VOC]

Shakedown times ???

//EDIT Found them =)

01. P. Solberg: 2:37,6 Min.
02. S. Loeb: 2:38,0
03. M. Hirvonen: 2:38,8
04. J. Latvala 2:39,5
05. H. Solberg: 2:40,7
06. G. Galli: 2:40,9
07. C. Atkinson: 2:42,6
08. F. Villagra: 2:44,7
09. M. Wilson: 2:45,6
10. T. Gardemeister: 2:46,1
11. L. Perez Companc: 2:46,3
12. D. Sordo: 2:47,1
13. PG Andersson: 2:49,5
14. C. Rautenbach: 2:55,6

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2008/03/27/solberg-ist-schnellster-im-shakedown/index.html

[pettersolberg29]

Go Petter! :)

He now has 3 top Shakedown times in a row - and yes i know it counts for nothing but it is encouraging.

[Corny]

well, at least he tops something

[pettersolberg29]

well, at least he tops something

That tone physically hurts me :(

[Tomi]

well, at least he tops something

yes, usually he is good in shakedowns and superspecials

[Tom206wrc]

No SD time for the PWRC ??? :confused:


What does Sandell write on his blog about SD ???

http://patriksandell.blogspot.com/

[N.O.T]

but it is encouraging.

why ?

[pettersolberg29]

Because he was fastest!

[White Sauron]

Because he was fastest!

And what? Gardemeister won the first stage of rally Sweden last year, driving the Lancer. But how far behind he was in the end? ;) And shakedown means even less than SSS.

[pettersolberg29]

Yeah but it can still be encouraging - more encouraging than for Sordo who was 10 secs behind.

[Xsara Fan]

Go Petter! :)

He now has 3 top Shakedown times in a row - and yes i know it counts for nothing but it is encouraging.

Why three? Only two: in Mexico & Argentina.
In MC Sordo was the fastest and in Sweden - Atkinson.

[Micke_VOC]

No SD time for the PWRC ??? :confused:


What does Sandell write on his blog about SD ???

http://patriksandell.blogspot.com/

He was satisfield with only two runs.

[pettersolberg29]

I stand corrected Xsara Fan.

Having seen Petter's comments on wrc.com it seems that this rally will be not as exciting as I hoped. Curbing your speed, and giving the better drivers even more of an advatage.
If Loeb wins I will scream.

[Helstar]

The surprise will be Citroen struggeling with the tyres.
Won't happen...

The most optimistic - Latvala fans. I think he will retire.
Maybe, but maybe not. The old Latvala crash0r is gone !

Pg lost one hour of Shakedown due to that his pit tent was destroyed in the strong winds and landed on the car and destroyed parts of the roof and the windscreen
They should hire some anti-voodoo people... ^^

[DonJippo]

Won't happen...

They all will be as the weather forecast says it's going to rain and tyres they have in Argentina are not ment for such a weather conditions.

[SubaruNorway]

Yup looks like rain on Friday and sunday http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=485

[pettersolberg29]

Does rain mean that the first drivers on the road have an advantage, and later ones are disadvantaged?

Could be a boring rally - but I don't want to sound negative so I'll pray that there are surprises!

[White Sauron]

Does rain mean that the first drivers on the road have an advantage, and later ones are disadvantaged?




There's one driver who is always in advantage no matter what road or weather conditions are. His name is Sebastien Loeb.

[Tom206wrc]

He was satisfield with only two runs.




Thanks Micke ;)

[c4]

A friend informs Loeb Red Bull is legal in Argentina

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/475972/b772362c21.jpg

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=310&featureid=349&desc=Argentina

[Tom206wrc]

Why Citroën team keeps its name of "Total Citroën-Sport" instead of "Redbull Total Citroën-Sport" ??? :p :

[Tomi]

Loeb seem to hang out with junkies theese days.

[duff]

Loeb seem to hang out with junkies theese days.

For Argentinians - thems fightin' words! ;)

[Helstar]

They all will be as the weather forecast says it's going to rain and tyres they have in Argentina are not ment for such a weather conditions.
So you see ? I was right :p
If the others won't have a problem, they haven't too .... but also the opposite :p (problems for Citroen = problems for all !)

There's one driver who is always in advantage no matter what road or weather conditions are. His name is Sebastien Loeb.
rotfl

[Roy]

Why Citroën team keeps its name of "Total Citroën-Sport" instead of "Redbull Total Citroën-Sport" ??? :p :

Name of teams can't be chanced mid season, like Ford with Abu Dhabi last year. Maybe next year we have Total Red Bull Citroen?

[Fischer]

Look at the difference in size between the two.

[Lalo]

Today Diego Armando Maradona (the most famous football star of all times in Argentina, as Pelé in Brasil) had the ride of his life with Sèb. He looked so scarred in side the car hahaha.

Only 10 hours left. I can't wait! :D

[Helstar]

Today Diego Armando Maradona (the most famous football star of all times in Argentina, as Pelé in Brasil) had the ride of his life with Sèb. He looked so scarred in side the car hahaha.

Uhm ... I hope he doesn't get a ride with Gigi :p I don't think he was a Naples (Napoli) supporter back in 80s !


Ps. Go Catania !!!! ^_^

[ST205GT4]

Why has everyone given up hope for Hirvonen. He's been stuck in a position for the last two years where the teams point were most important, it must be hard to get out of that mind set. He'll step it up a notch soon i'm sure.

In my opinion, which I'm sure plenty of people will dispute, the next Ford WDC (after Loeb quits the sport) will be Latvala, not Hirvonnen.

[tmx]

it's too early for me to make that judgement, even when i believe latvala will be winning when a lot thinks he's just a crashing driver. i atleast think hirvonen more tactical than latvala right now, if not as fast in speed, his style is to not risk everything. anyway, the three just need more peoples who could challenge them for the win.

If Loeb wins I will scream.
you probably will, he won it the last couple years i think.

[Helstar]

SS1 LA CUMBRE 07:45 (GMT 10:45)

Stupid question: does that means 11:45 here in Italy ? :)

[WRC1]

SS1 LA CUMBRE 07:45 (GMT 10:45)

Stupid question: does that means 11:45 here in Italy ? :)

according to me....yes!

http://www.rallyepics.at/index.php/component/option,com_jcalpro/Itemid,27/extmode,view/extid,14/

according to ewrc 12:45...
http://www.ewrc-results.com/harmonogram.php?event=152

let´s wait and see who is right ;o))

reg

wrc1

[Micke_VOC]

Patrik Sandell test in Argentina
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cRTscDeIQVA

[Viking]

according to me....yes!

http://www.rallyepics.at/index.php/component/option,com_jcalpro/Itemid,27/extmode,view/extid,14/

according to ewrc 12:45...
http://www.ewrc-results.com/harmonogram.php?event=152

let´s wait and see who is right ;o))

reg

wrc1

Cordoba:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=485
Rome:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=215

So it should be lokal time +4h but on Sunday +5h

And yes seems like there will be rain today :down:

[Halvis]

According to Henning's blogg,

http://www.vgb.no/6339/

the spectators went crazy when the cars should drive the 2 km from the start podium to the park, it was so many of them that the cars barely could get through, the cars had to stop several times, using the clutch extensivly, resulting in destroyed clutches. He thinks all the Ford's has to change clutches before the start! The spectators where ripping off mirrors, stickers, banging on roofs, windows, jumping on bonnets. Someone jumped on Sordo's roof aswell, resulting in damage to the roof, seen on the picture.

Scandal could be a good description, or what?

[Roy]

Cordoba:
And yes seems like there will be rain today :down:

Is rain good for the first driver on road?

[wwbroe]

It certainly doesn't make it more complicated than when it is dry conditions, because there isn't dust or small loose particles on the surface. So i do think it is easyer for the first driver on the road, compared with dry conditions.

[Halvis]

It certainly doesn't make it more complicated than when it is dry conditions, because there isn't dust or small loose particles on the surface. So i do think it is easyer for the first driver on the road, compared with dry conditions.

It won't make it easier for the first on the road as such, but it will make it worse for the late runners - the more cars going through the stages, the more mud and less grip it will be - so it will benefit the first driver(s) with rain I think.

[Karukera]

Loeb seem to hang out with junkies theese days.


Then please, don't stand so close to him.

You served that one on a silver plate. :p

[MikeD]

Is it me or is there a problem with World Rally Radio. It seems as if it has problems loading?

[Mr Lopez]

Good morning boys and girls. All ready for kick off?

So what will today have in store? Lets have a few guesses. I think Petter will be fast then have a mechanical problem. Mikko will get his finger out and beat JML but Loeb will be quicker than all of them. Sordo will struggle on first pass this morning then more competitive in the afternoon. Henning will go off. Gigi will fight for 4th with Atko.

Any views?!

[bda]

Is it me or is there a problem with World Rally Radio. It seems as if it has problems loading?

Not working for me either.

[Scrap_Iron]

Not working for me either.
Nor me :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

One hour left before start of SS1 :bounce:


Go Sandell :up:

[MikeD]

One hour left before start of SS1 :bounce:


Go Sandell :up:

No, it will start now (11.45 CET)

[MikeD]

Dammit! it looks as if split times aren't available either. They are f****ing amateurs on that site!!!

[wwbroe]

Tom, should the start of SS1 not ne at 11h45 here in central europe, i think it is a time-difference of 4 hours, except on sunday, then it will be 5 hours because we are changing to summer time.

[DonJippo]

Is it me or is there a problem with World Rally Radio. It seems as if it has problems loading?

Works fine for me :)

Hello all :wave:

[ProRally]

WRR works for me...

Hi to all... looking forward to a good rally.

[Tom206wrc]

Tom, should the start of SS1 not ne at 11h45 here in central europe, i think it is a time-difference of 4 hours, except on sunday, then it will be 5 hours because we are changing to summer time.



OK :crazy:

[kabouter]

Good morning all. Let's hope it's going to be a good, exciting event.

[Tom206wrc]

Where are split times ??? :rolleyes:

[René]

Tom do you have any Rally Radio sound ?

[Mr Lopez]

I have WR Radio but no splits, as usual

[Scrap_Iron]

WRR works for me...

Hi to all... looking forward to a good rally.
What link are you using :confused:

[Viking]

No radio, splits or even an indication that the rally is running... looking good :down:

[DonJippo]

Where are split times ??? :rolleyes:

No splits today it seems. Atleast radio is working.

[Gard]

You guys with working radios, please keep us updated

[kabouter]

You guys with working radios, please keep us updated

Just an interview with Mikko that was recorded on Wednesday.

[DonJippo]

You guys with working radios, please keep us updated

Mikko is through the stage, others no news yet.

[Mr Lopez]

Mikko 16'29.3

[Tom206wrc]

The Czech of EWRC are the fastest to give the results it seems ;)

[ProRally]

also Colin will not be at end of stages so going to be hard to follow closely

[kabouter]

also Colin will not be at end of stages so going to be hard to follow closely

I always find it hard to follow Colin anyway... ;)

[ProRally]

Just got word from Service park, weather is really bad, plane with repeaters is not up so probably no splits...
Also no radio contact with cars as they use a repeater on the same plane.

[bda]

Just got word from Service park, weather is really bad, plane with repeaters is not up so probably no splits...
Also no radio contact with cars as they use a repeater on the same plane.

Great!

No WRR
No Splits
No Results
Think I'll go to bed.
Thanks for the updates guys.

[Halvis]

68 km/h - about the same as me for work, then.

[ProRally]

even EWRC.CZ has no results comming through

[Tom206wrc]

What's this joke ??? Only Hirvonen has his time !!! What CRAP ISC !!!! :mad: :mad:

[malscar]

Hirvonen through at as Halvis states an average of 68kmh or a time of 16:29.3

[Leon]

some stage times at wrc.com and argentinarally.com

[malscar]

WRC.com now has stage times

[jonkka]

And WRR gives different leaderboard than wrc.com times do.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Radio is working now...

Mikko fastest in SS1
Latvala 2
Loeb 3

[AndyRAC]

What's this joke ??? Only Hirvonen has his time !!! What CRAP ISC !!!! :mad: :mad:

Maybe with the low cloud and fog Hirvonen is the only one to finish the stage. Everybody else got lost.....



...how good are ISC???

[Woodeye]

The Czech of EWRC are the fastest to give the results it seems ;)

Can you give the link to that site?

[DonJippo]

WRC.com now has stage times

Those times are not correct. Mikko was fastest then JML and Loeb third, lot of mud and fog on stage.

[Tom206wrc]

Times on the Pirelli website are strange :s

[Madeira]

We back to the age of the stone..with this results

[Leon]

some stage times at wrc.com and argentinarally.com

.....but with different results

[jonkka]

It seems that wrc.com times have the 2 min running gap between drivers included in the total time. Remove that and times might be correct...

[Tom206wrc]

Can you give the link to that site?



http://www.ewrc-results.com ;)

[jonkka]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=37

[DonJippo]

It seems that wrc.com times have the 2 min running gap between drivers included in the total time. Remove that and times might be correct...

Even then times are not correct I think.

[Buzz Lightyear]

no andersson?

[jonas_mcrae]

even without the 2min running gap, the times at wrc looked ****ed up, Latvala +2.48.1min in first stage??

[Woodeye]

http://www.ewrc-results.com ;)

Mercí! :)

[jonkka]

Even then times are not correct I think.

Yeah, if vysledky-rally.cz has correct times, then wrc.com times are shait. Not that I had expected them to be anything else... :eek:

[Roy]

Very strange times. And no news, not the offical WRC.com, or rally Argentina.

http://www.rallyargentina.com/english/online_ss1.php

[AndyRAC]

What's going on? Who has the correct times? This is 2008, c'mon ISC, FIA - wake up please!

[DonJippo]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=37

These times seems to be correct, 48 sec lead for Mikko after stage 1 :eek:

[jonas_mcrae]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=37

that seems more reasonable...
thanks

[jonkka]

Now wrc.com has correct overall standings too - stage times are still shot.

[jonkka]

Where is P-G Andersson?

[DonJippo]

Now wrc.com has correct overall standings too - stage times are still shot.

Stage times are ****e but overall times are correct...

[mdesign]

if 48 seconds is correct: WOW I can't remember such a gap on a first stage (or any stage)

[Wim_Impreza]

More times: http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php

[jonkka]

if 48 seconds is correct: WOW I can't remember such a gap on a first stage (or any stage)

Monte Carlo 1999

EDIT: 2001

[Viking]

Hirvonen is 2.5s/km faster than Latvala and more on anybody else :eek:

[Micke_VOC]

Where is P-G Andersson?

According to PG homepage he has retired on the way to ss1.

Electronic failure with the Engine.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_ipnByPnv3WQ/R-zZCK9vC-I/AAAAAAAAACA/8o0mUrcSE5s/s1600-h/image-upload-15-791049.jpe

[jonkka]

According to PG homepage he has retired on the way to ss1.

:eek:

[wrc_flipper]

What's going on? Who has the correct times? This is 2008, c'mon ISC, FIA - wake up please!

Electronic Engineering job going at ISC-T in last weeks autosport :)

[Josti]

According to PG homepage he has retired on the way to ss1.

Electronic failure with the Engine.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_ipnByPnv3WQ/R-zZCK9vC-I/AAAAAAAAACA/8o0mUrcSE5s/s1600-h/image-upload-15-791049.jpe


Wow, engine again...

[Micke_VOC]

please FIA , drive only rallies with good weather, good roads and good public. 2 minutes between top 8 after first stage, what is this.. ??

Now going out and fishing or something else fun, for this is like a bad movie.

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=37



Where's Sandell on this site ??? :s

Everywhere else he's 15th overall on SS1...


Edit: oh no 28th overall on SS1 more than 4 minutes behind overall leader :(

[euskalteam]

Adding one minute to Mikko's time, the stage times were be more reasonables.

[jonkka]

Where's Sandell on this site ??? :s

Everywhere else he's 15th overall on SS1...

Almost five minutes down from the leader. Currently 29th on wrc.com and 28th on vys.cz.

[Mr Lopez]

mikko thru ss2

[ProRally]

Wow, engine again...

Not easy for Suzuki this World Rally Car ....

[Tassie]

[quote="tmx"] i atleast think hirvonen more tactical than latvala right now, if not as fast in speed, his style is to not risk everything.

Have to agree that Mikko is more tactical. Reminds me of Richard Burns. Back before Loeb was winning rally after rally, a championship could be won by staying in the points.

[Mr Lopez]

no time for JML.....

[jonkka]

Latvala?

[malscar]

I notice Pastrana is already 6 minutes down on the first N4 car.

[Mr Lopez]

I notice Pastrana is already 6 minutes down on the first N4 car.

thats what comes from having a world class co-driver....

[DonJippo]

Where is JML on stage 2?

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Latvala on SS2 ??? :confused:

[COD]

Can Mikko's time on SS1 be correct? I find it hard to believe, but if it's true, then very very well done

[mdesign]

seems latvala had problems.. :(

[Halvis]

Can Mikko's time on SS1 be correct? I find it hard to believe, but if it's true, then very very well done

Was just writing the same myself - IMO most of the times seems strange, I can't believe the time diffs on SS1.

[DonJippo]

Can Mikko's time on SS1 be correct? I find it hard to believe, but if it's true, then very very well done

Mikko was only one who got through the stage before heavy rain.

EDIT: Just heard it was mud and fog that caused others to be so much slower than Mikko.

[turves]

Mikko was only one who got through the stage before heavy rain.

I was going to say it must be the weather, but I was thinking fog for that time difference

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Tehy said in radio.. right now..

big problems for Latvala in SS2

[Xsara Fan]

Rally Argentina stage times

The heavy rain currently falling over Carlos Paz has temporarily grounded the radio communications aeroplane, which means radio and other electronic signals are struggling to get back to Rally HQ from the stages.

Until normal communications are restored there may be delays in displaying stage times here on wrc.com.

We’re working on a solution now and hope to resume our normal service very soon.

Thanks
The wrc.com team

[MikeD]

WRR say that Latvala has lost 9 min. and it looks like he has rolled.

[kabouter]

Latvala lost 9 minutes on stage 2, that's the end of his challenge for the win (or a podium). :(

[jonkka]

Interesting to see if he can continue - two more stages and if car is damaged...

[Tom206wrc]

Rally is still very long and many things can happen again if the weather continues to be as bad AND if there aren't cancelled stages... :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

WHat happened in stage 1 ??? Hirvonen run the stage without the fog?

[jonas_mcrae]

WHat happened in stage 1 ??? Hirvonen run the stage without the fog?

without the heavy rain apparently...

[Tom206wrc]

Split times are back on the WRC website ;)

[turves]

Latvala rolled 2 km's into ss2. Car not too badly damaged but lost a lot of time.

Seb spun on SS1, but Hirvonen was the only one to get through SS1 before rain and fog came down

[DonJippo]

Interesting to see if he can continue - two more stages and if car is damaged...

Car not badly damaged can continue.

[COD]

I still struggle to believe the times of SS1, specially as there are comm problems as the WRC.com message indicates. But if they are correct, just goes to show that it is not allways so bad to be first on the road...

[N.O.T]

aaah ok....i think the battle for 1st is over if Hirvonen plays it safe...

[Roy]

Is rain good for the first driver on road?

Well Hirvonen answer the question in ss1

[kabouter]

If it's really foggy and muddy everybody's likely to make mistakes, also Hirvonen. The rally is far from over. Under these conditions anything can happen.

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell faster than Ketomaa on SS2 :)


Edit: but Prokop faster too :mark:

[malscar]

It will be interesting to see the times the second time through. By the sounds of it Miko had it easier as the road was not as cut up.

[wrc_flipper]

Split times are back on the WRC website ;)

A note from wrc.com...

The heavy rain currently falling over Carlos Paz has temporarily grounded the radio communications aeroplane, which means radio and other electronic signals are struggling to get back to Rally HQ from the stages.
Until normal communications are restored there may be delays in displaying stage times on wrc.com.
We’re working on a solution now and hope to resume our normal service very soon.
Thanks

[Tom206wrc]

And again, Atkinson overall faster than Solberg in the Subaru clan :s

[COD]

And again, Atkinson overall faster than Solberg in the Subaru clan :s


Petter retires after this season????

[COD]

Sandell faster than Ketomaa on SS2 :)


Edit: but Prokop faster too :mark:


Ketomaa really slow. Problems or just caught by the conditions?

[N.O.T]

Notes after stage 2

RAUTENBACH C. / SENIOR D. "It was really very tough, bad. I had no confidence to anything."

PERÉZ COMPANC L. / VOLTA J.-M. / "I don't like it, too much fog and mud. It will be very tough rally."

SOLBERG H. / MENKERUD C. "I saw nothing due fog. I tried, but impossible do anything. It's not normal to lost too much time on first stage."

GARDEMEISTER T. / TUOMINEN T. / "Lot of mud and fog. On first stage we broke something on exhaust, otherwise no problem. Just intercom troubles."

SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. "It's very hard, feel almost like in Wales. Loosing a lot to top drivers, road is destroyed. Otherwise everything good."

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. "Engine stalled twice on first stage. It was horrible, I didn't see road and had no confidence at all."

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "It's very, very tough. It's hard to get good times. We'll see tomorrow."

GALLI G. / BERNACCHINI "I saw nothing on first stage. Please, don't repeat. We'll see."

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTILLA "Two kms after start I hit a bank, car was kicked and rolled over. Spectators helped us go back to wheels, we had luck. Car not damaged, only windscreen and some cosmetics things."

ATKINSON Ch. / PREVOT S. "I expectet it probably. It's very tricky, road is worst and worst with every next car. We'll try push more."

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Lot of fog and mud. I had hard tyres, no cuts. I spun in one hairpin. It was very hard and very tricky. Unable to see road and feel any grip."

[turves]

Just looking at Sutton Photographic images from shakedown

http://www.sutton-images.com/

and on page 2 theres an image of Jorge Recalde, with the following comment:

To commemorate the 20th anniversary of Jorge Recalde (ARG), being the only latin american to win a round of the WRC, 1882 cardboard copies were spread over the sierras.


BIZARRE! :crazy:

[Viking]

Petter retires after this season????

Because your team-mate is faster than you on some stages?? Then we will have a lot of retirements :D

[N.O.T]

Loeb takes 4 seconds off Hirvonens lead...still a lot of work to be done.

[pino]

Petter retires after this season????

You wish :p :

[ProRally]

JML car's still ok... he is quicker then Loeb on ss3

[RS]

please FIA , drive only rallies with good weather, good roads and good public. 2 minutes between top 8 after first stage, what is this.. ??

Now going out and fishing or something else fun, for this is like a bad movie.

Yep :(

Every rally this year has been like this - huge gaps. Top 8 in Argentina is now separated by nearly 4 minutes after 2 stages, 4 minutes used to be the top-8 gap at the end of the rally!

[wwbroe]

JML car's still ok... he is quicker then Loeb on ss3

He can easily finish up in the points. He is not that far from pointscoring positions. ;)

[pino]

btw my live-splits don't work...any help ? :)

[DonJippo]

Every rally this year has been like this - huge gaps. Top 8 in Argentina is now separated by nearly 4 minutes after 2 stages, 4 minutes used to be the top-8 gap at the end of the rally!

It is the result of bad weather conditions, nothing else.

[ZequeArgentina]

The problem is that thereare NO splits.
Plane did not take off, so split times cannot be transmitted.

PWRC: Aigner is doing really well, and nodoby here noticed it!!

[Tom206wrc]

Will PG Andersson really run under superrally rule tomorrow ??? :confused:

[DonJippo]

btw my live-splits don't work...any help ? :)

go to dos promt and type command "format c" that should do the trick :p

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg P. will be passed by both Galli and Sordo if he doesn't push the accelerator :mark:

[DonJippo]

Will PG Andersson really run under superrally rule tomorrow ??? :confused:

We really don't know yet :)

[Tassie]

If there was good weather for every rally that would be boring. The demands of the environment is a key aspect of rallying.

[malscar]

Because your team-mate is faster than you on some stages?? Then we will have a lot of retirements :D

But it is worse when your older slower brother beats you. ;)

[RS]

It is the result of bad weather conditions, nothing else.

Bull****. In this case it is exaggerated by the weather conditions but what I mean is that every WRC event this year has seen the top 8 spaced out by much larger gaps than last year and that is due to weak entry lists.

[COD]

Because your team-mate is faster than you on some stages?? Then we will have a lot of retirements :D

He has been beaten by Atko in ALL the rallies this season. I don't hope he retires, but that can surely make him loose his motivation (if it has not allready done that)

[Tomi]

Bull****. In this case it is exaggerated by the weather conditions but what I mean is that every WRC event this year has seen the top 8 spaced out by much larger gaps than last year and that is due to weak entry lists.

What drivers outside from this entry do you think could brake in to top 8??

[SubaruNorway]

What hapend to PG?

[Tassie]

He is waiting for the new car. But then again he always seems to be waiting for the new car.

[Rallye_106]

Latvala lost 25 sec? Spin?

[J4MIE]

The problem is that thereare NO splits.
Plane did not take off, so split times cannot be transmitted.

Hopefully no splits in-car too!! :up:

Can't believe people are complaining about the rally already :s Wish I was there right now!! :bounce:

[RS]

What drivers outside from this entry do you think could brake in to top 8??

Hehe, very clever. But you are looking at it in the wrong way. If there were more drivers of a similar quality then the gaps would not be so huge.

[Tomi]

Hehe, very clever. But you are looking at it in the wrong way. If there were more drivers of a similar quality then the gaps would not be so huge.

So you think the ones who can drive should retire and give space to the lousy ones.
I think its good the best are present, the gaps does not really matter at all, it just shows this rally driving is not so easy after all.

[DonJippo]

Bull****. In this case it is exaggerated by the weather conditions but what I mean is that every WRC event this year has seen the top 8 spaced out by much larger gaps than last year and that is due to weak entry lists.

In year 1999 top 8 was separated by 23min53sec, 2000 20min35sec, 2001 10min55sec, 2002 8min49sec and so on caps have always been big in Argentina, this year is no exception.

[ZequeArgentina]

Hopefully no splits in-car too!! :up:

Can't believe people are complaining about the rally already :s Wish I was there right now!! :bounce:
It is the "internet-anxiety" for live through the web rally spectating!!!

I rmeber times when I had to wait for he next day newspaper to have information f previous day stage (no way I could get stage times on he same day, except for my hom rally and 1 or 2 more).

Detailed info,just the following week with specialized magazines!!!

Rally could easily recover interest if Loeb does a good second loop today.
Also Galli and th Subarus are having a fight wih Sordo right with them, and Villagra is doing better, will he keep Henning and Garde behind??
Quite a good things to follow, also PWRC could develop an interesting fight.

[ProRally]

Where is Arai on ss3 ?


But lost 14 min ....

[DonJippo]

Where is Arai on ss3 ?

At the finish, 14mins behind Aigner on that stage, must have been some problems on the stage.

[RS]

So you think the ones who can drive should retire and give space to the lousy ones.

Not at all. But I would like to see some more teams who could accommodate some of the many capable drivers out there. I am really looking forward to the S2000T rules coming, which should hopefully tempt some more in.

[ProRally]

At the finish, 14mins behind Aigner on that stage, must have been some problems on the stage.

apparantly bent steering arm... that is the news I get from the Service parc

[DonJippo]

apparantly bent steering arm... that is the news I get from the Service parc

Are you having live connection to service park as you get the news so quickly from there :p

[Tomi]

Not at all. But I would like to see some more teams who could accommodate some of the many capable drivers out there. I am really looking forward to the S2000T rules coming, which should hopefully tempt some more in.

Propably more teams for a while yes, but the gaps will remaine because there is not enough good drivers, and those teams that dont do well will stop in same way like in S1600.

[ProRally]

Are you having live connection to service park as you get the news so quickly from there :p

Skype is a wonderful thing....

[kobefly]

please FIA , drive only rallies with good weather, good roads and good public. 2 minutes between top 8 after first stage, what is this.. ??Go watch Nascar, they don't drive if it rains...

[Scrap_Iron]

:laugh: Travis Pastrana on WRR
I like the guy :cool:

[ZequeArgentina]

Have youseen commnets by Garde on last (SS4) stage: "Last two stages were nice, fast time, but two big moments before. I just want to say hello to my wife and mother."

It seems they were really BIG moments!!!

[MikeD]

:laugh: Travis Pastrana on WRR
I like the guy :cool:

Me too :D ... just love that accent and enthusiasm :lol:

[Scrap_Iron]

Me too :D ... just love that accent and enthusiasm :lol:
Derek Ringer is having a ball "just like old times!" ;)

[turves]

What hapend to PG?

He signed with Suzuki :laugh:

[N.O.T]

I think Loeb will not risk anything from now on...his main contender just crashed.....and he can have Hirvonen for Breakfast Lunch and supper whenever he wants....he can afford to be patient since the gap is minimal and the tarmac rallies are ahead.

[wwbroe]

He signed with Suzuki :laugh:

He had electronic problems before stage 1 and retired before the stage. He seem to have also a penalisation om 30 sec, so i wonder where he got those? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Does someone know what happened to Sandell on SS1 and 3...??? :confused:

[wwbroe]

I hear it was a problem with a sensor on PG's Suzuki???

[pejda]

Some pictures can be found here: http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=317&fotograf=34&all=1

[tmx]

He had electronic problems before stage 1 and retired before the stage. He seem to have also a penalisation om 30 sec, so i wonder where he got those? :confused: :confused: :confused:
I was trying to be optimistic for Suzuki, but my 140k miles Toyota could get to the stage without dying.

Have youseen commnets by Garde on last (SS4) stage: "Last two stages were nice, fast time, but two big moments before. I just want to say hello to my wife and mother."

It seems they were really BIG moments!!!
http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/eek.gif

[bt52b]

^this is the new improved engine from Japan :confused:

[Helstar]

^this is the new improved engine from Japan :confused:
Yes, it improves the speed of retiring early on ss1 ^^

[pettersolberg29]

Just got back from school and seen the results. Great first stage by Mikko, and without sounding horrible and cynical, glad JML has crashed so people stop going on about him! Are any split sites working yet?
This rally is not over.
Latvala has shown that there is the possibility of retirements, so the leaderboard will be chopping and changing.
And the gap between Petter, Gigi and Sordo is less than 15 secs.
Sordo is doing well I think, as he is running so late on the road and still getting top times on a couple of stages.

[pavlos_a]

What happened to Arai?

[wwbroe]

What happened to Arai?

He lost some 13 min in special stage 3, i heared he broke a steering arml.

[John V]

Do you think this should be useful for WRC races also (we using this only for races results managed directly by ourselves)?
http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/mcr/valaska/pretaceni.html

[jonkka]

And what exactly is the difference? Am I missing something...

[John V]

And what exactly is the difference? Am I missing something...
Just you don't need refresh pages, it work automatically and new times including as they comes ... but maybe this useful for teams in service area, pres office etc., as from this reason we develop this web-based rotation.

[jonkka]

Well, refresh meta-tag is used in many sites but I fear that most users are not patient enough to wait for timer to expire and refresh manually anyway (I know that I am). Having it included in the page does no harm however, so can use it.

[jonkka]

Where is Mikko?

[Mr Lopez]

oh no mikko......

[White Sauron]

No Mikko, but there's Seb. If it's a mistake by Mikko, than it's a silly mental mistake...

[MikeD]

Loeb is 8 sec faster through La cumbre than earlier today.

[John V]

Well, refresh meta-tag is used in many sites but I fear that most users are not patient enough to wait for timer to expire and refresh manually anyway (I know that I am). Having it included in the page does no harm however, so can use it.

Of course, we know that. We decided to change system few years ago, when received aroud 5000 request within minute and it was pretty hard for hardware :) Now 'outsiders' can see only static pages, they generated automatically on background, not by every user's request (groups, cups, classes etc.).

[Tom206wrc]

Mikko :eek: :confused: :s

[Mr Lopez]

No Mikko, but there's Seb. If it's a mistake by Mikko, than it's a silly mental mistake...

what do you mean its a silly mental mistake?? how can you make that judgement !!

[White Sauron]

what do you mean its a silly mental mistake?? how can you make that judgement !!

I mean that making a driving mistake while he just could control his advantage... Not the best approach to win the title. And notice, I said "IF"!

[rdr]

Has Mikko even started to stage?...

stop... before 1 split?

[MikeD]

Has Mikko even started to stage?...

Yes, and it's confirmed that he HAS stopped on the stage.

[White Sauron]

Damn... what a crap coverage... No news...

[Helstar]

Yes, and it's confirmed that he HAS stopped on the stage.
His error or mechanical ?

[Lalo]

No splits from Mikko...

Well, it was sweet while it lasted :(

[N.O.T]

Hmmm well to be honest i expected Mikko to start crashing soon....its not a good sign when your team mate is faster than you when you are considered the 1st driver of the team.....Mikko had to push harder and find some more speed....if its not a crash then i guess its bad luck....cruising time now for the leader

[harvick#1]

wow, talk about blowing an easy win,

looks like Red Bull is gonna get its first win with Citroen :D