2008 Rally Argentina - official thread

[rdr]

Hit to rock and broke suspension

[Helstar]

Gigi GALLI (I) 2 M LATE AT TC 4C 20" penalty

f**k :(

[pettersolberg29]

Stopped on stage suggests mechanical fault.

This looks good for Subaru now!

[Lalo]

Unless Chris gets up to speed (which would be rare), Loeb's driving alone... Already.

Great performance for Subaru already!

I hope Ford can keep getting it's manufacturer point scoring record, which has been on and on for some years. I believe it's all up to Jari-Matti now.

[MikeD]

I think Henning has stopped as well ... and where is Sordo?

[Helstar]

Hit to rock and broke suspension
He'll never be WC ... if there were any doubts

[MikeD]

ohhh Sordo is only missing on EWRC but is through, whereas Henning also has stopped with suspension problems

[MikeD]

Damper problems for P.Solberg.

[Helstar]

Disaster for Fords..... Gigi is the only survivor (hoping he won't repeat Mexico errors), looking good for Seb and the Subarus ^^ until now...

[N.O.T]

#8 http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags/norway.gif Solberg H. - Menkerud C. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=152&stage=3003&driver=12026) -> Stopped on the stage, broken suspension#1 http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags/france.gif Loeb S. - Elena D. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=152&stage=3003&driver=12019) -> "It is much comfortable for me now, I am not so happy, but so so ok. It is still long way...
#3 http://www.ewrc-results.com/flags/finland.gif Hirvonen M. - Lehtinen J. (http://www.ewrc-results.com/driver_info.php?event=152&stage=3003&driver=12021) -> Stopped on the stage, broken suspension

[N.O.T]

well sordos times are almost equal to gallis times....i think that is encouraging since it shows some progress at least...still a long way to go but at least he is learning.

[ZequeArgentina]

After first pass through the stage in muddy conditions, it seems that big stones have appeared everywhere.Mikko and Henning broke suspensión, petterdamper problems, Wilson said he almost roles after hitting an enourmous stone.

PWRC should suffered quite a lot, it will be a srviving stage for them.

[Helstar]

well sordos times are almost equal to gallis times....i think that is encouraging since it shows some progress at least...still a long way to go but at least he is learning.
Sordo times were totally equal to Galli already back in Sardinia 2006 ... so there's no surprise at all. He just can't equal Loeb on gravel ^^

[Tom206wrc]

Best time Pwrc for Sandell in the SS5 :)

[wwbroe]

Best time Pwrc for Sandell in the SS5 :)

First stage win (Gr.N) for a S2000 in this rally :) :) :)

[Lalo]

What a rough day for everyone!

Here in Buenos Aires it's sunny and it's suppoused to rain at midnight. I can't imagine how bad are the conditions in Cordoba to have so many big names turned into casualties. It's just like Japan last year.. But far more difficult.

I can't wait to see the day 1 footage. Subaru is displaying a great performance. Chris is on course for his second podium (what a year so far dor him!) and Petter is close. I don't think the Australian wanna fight for a win, but as we Argentineans say: to dream, it's for free.

It's rock 'n' roll time :D

[Magnus]

Glad you are positive Lalo, IMHO this is so very sad, not to say boring. It´s better to think abt good ol times, like the Argentina rally when Burns and Bosse was disqualified (to light flywheel and Bosse for taking help from mechs over phone). It was that same year when Mäkinen chased Bosse like a maniach and eventually left the event on sixth gear.
Those where the day :(
I can understand tha Loeb is not to happy...

[pettersolberg29]

What happened with Petter? Damper probs?

He set an OK time last stage so it cant be affecting him much, touch wood.

[pettersolberg29]

Just noticed Wilson is doing alright again as well.

Maybe he won't be all bad!

[Lalo]

It's sucks to see Loeb driving out in front alone. Those good old times were awesome, and I really miss them (I was actually watching the 1993 footages of the WRC, when Sainz, Delecour and Auriol were the main contenders. Also 1998 to 2001 between Mäkkinen, McRae, Sainz and Burns..

It would be ideal to have some surprises, like a mistake from Sèbastien that can break Subaru's string of no wins (a fight would be better, but we know that's the toughest). Are we gonna delight with some? Only the crews know..

Somehow many of us (including myself) got used to see Loeb leading on every event, only watching the leaderboard from 2nd possition on. It would be great to see another number 1, wouldn't it? I hope that can get to happend this weekend.

[pettersolberg29]

Are there any splits at all?

Cannot keep relying on WWR.

[pettersolberg29]

Isnt there meant to be a stage now?

[ste898]

Rally is finished already...Loeb for win I wont be looking anymore now this weekend

[jonkka]

Isnt there meant to be a stage now?

Yes, for past 24 minutes

[pettersolberg29]

Yes, for past 24 minutes


What's happening? :s


Now WRR are now playing music! WTF!

[Lalo]

Hope to see Mexico's engine gremblins back on Sèb's "Bull" hahaha

[MikeD]

Cars should have finished the stage by now, and WRR keep playing their pathetic music.

[Lousada]

Wow we are only halfway the first day and so many casualities already :eek:

[pettersolberg29]

SS7 should be starting in 1 minute and we dont even know if anyone's retired or not etc!!

[Tom206wrc]

What about SS6 shouldn't have had already started ??? :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

Times finally in.

Loeb relaxes
Petter loses a lot
Sordo may overtake
Galli does well

[wwbroe]

Latvalla came through with fastest time on stage 6, Loeb only fift fastest but donn't loose much time to Atkinson.

[Helstar]

There they are.... Loeb already cruising ^^

Without the penalty Gigi would have overtaken Petter of 4 sec... pity

[luca]

what the hell with you people?
only huma beings works in world rally radio
they are not able to keep talking for 12 hours all the time!
when you go to work, you give 100% all the time, or you take some break, relax, talk with other people etc. ?

[subaru 28]

http://www.andreasaigner.at/rtc-aigner/de_DE/617

[paddocknews]

greetings from estonia.

[Helstar]

Atkinson got 1.7 sec to Loeb... another 30-35 SS and he'll take him xD

[pettersolberg29]

Finally a great battle!

Petter 0.4 secs ahead of Sordo, about 7 secs ahead of Galli.

Does anyone know if Petter is losing time due to his damper problems, or is it bad driving?

[Helstar]

Does anyone know if Petter is losing time due to his damper problems, or is it bad driving?
Both

It seems Gigi won 7th stage... good

[pettersolberg29]

^ Harsh!

So there is a problem :( . Could it be fixed in the road section, or can't damper probs be easily fixed? With another 20 km left, Petter could drop to 5th by tomorrow.
If he can fix it though, then Subaru could have a brilliant result.

[Helstar]

Needs service badly I think.... it can't be fixed now

[Madeira]

Sorry guys , but Bernardo Sousa from Madeira island set the fastest time to the PWRC on SS6....amazing!! :eek:

[subaru 28]

12 41 AIGNER
Mitsubishi 01:46:02.2 +10:20.2 13 59 LIGATO
Mitsubishi 01:47:10.5 +11:28.5 14 56 NUTAHARA
Mitsubishi 01:47:46.0 +12:04.0 15 39 AL-ATTIYAH
Subaru 01:48:54.1 +13:12.1

[pettersolberg29]

Could be a good battle for the final podium spot in the WRC tomorrow then!!

[MikeD]

I think if JML continues like this he can finish the rally in 6th place. What do you think?

[pettersolberg29]

Yeah, 6th for JML is possible but I think they'll need to be a couple of retirements.

[kobefly]

I am very pleased with Villagra's performance up to know.
Only 8,5s behind stage winner Gigi Galli. I know it's a short stage but it's still showing how Federico is being more confident at home.

[RS]

Just noticed Wilson is doing alright again as well.

Maybe he won't be all bad!

No, he's 5 minutes off the pace after 7 stages.

Last time out a debutant (albeit a very good one) in an S1600 car got in the points so don't be fooled by 8th place being a good position anymore!

[wwbroe]

Fastest time for Sandel in PWRC again on stage 7!!

[subaru 28]

Sorry guys , but Bernardo Sousa from Madeira island set the fastest time to the PWRC on SS6....amazing!! :eek:


PWRC Argentina likes Red Bull Power


http://www.redbullrallye.com/index.php

[pettersolberg29]

Has anyone got any pics of the Red Bull Citroen?

[MikeD]

Has anyone got any pics of the Red Bull Citroen?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/ar/da_a_161_sordo_1.jpg

[jens]

Wow, awesome situation for Chris! If he could keep going, he would rise to second position in the WDC ahead of both Fords, which would mark an incredible achievement! :up:

[luca]

http://www.rajdy.v10.pl/galeria/loeb,red,bull,02,galeria,558,14,jpg.html
http://www.rajdy.v10.pl/galeria/loeb,red,bull,03,galeria,558,15,jpg.html
http://www.rajdy.v10.pl/galeria/sordo,red,bull,03,galeria,558,17,jpg.html
http://www.rajdy.v10.pl/galeria/sordo,red,bull,02,galeria,558,18,jpg.html

[N.O.T]

Solberg must start to concentrate...it would be a total disgrace to get passed by both Sordo and Galli !!!!!!

[pettersolberg29]

Cheers for the pics - looks good!

[subaru 28]

http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/index.php/article=143989/=Rallye_-_%BB%BB%BB_Die_besten_Bilder_aus_Argentinien.htm


it´s only an Austrian site

[White Sauron]

Cheers for the pics - looks good!

Good. But a bit like being photoshopped. Strange feeling.

[pettersolberg29]

If you go on subaru 28's site, click on gallery 3, then photos 5 + 11 are really good.

[pettersolberg29]

Good. But a bit like being photoshopped. Strange feeling.


Good photoshop though!

[paddocknews]

Spectators again throwing stones to rally cars!

[pettersolberg29]

^ Where do ya here that?

[paddocknews]

^ Where do ya here that?

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=37

[Ghostwalker]

^ Where do ya here that?

Becs and the guys also mentioned it on WRC radio.
http://broadcast.global-mix.net/?m=gmuk-n.one-fm&.wvx

[Rally Power]

Sorry guys , but Bernardo Sousa from Madeira island set the fastest time to the PWRC on SS6....amazing!! :eek:

Madeira Island (Portugal) :D

It's even more amazing 'cause Bernardo is only 20 and a roockie :bounce:

Don't forget his name...and trust me: his style make remember the unforgattable flying scottish... :cool:

[pettersolberg29]

Cheers!

I've given up on WWR - too much music, not enough rally!

[pettersolberg29]

Atkinson loses 40 secs?

[subaru 28]

Madeira Island (Portugal) :D

It's even more amazing 'cause Bernardo is only 20 and a roockie :bounce:

Don't forget his name...and trust me: his style make remember the unforgattable flying scottish... :cool:


Red Bull gives you wings

[kobefly]

Atkinson 40 seconds slower than Loeb on SS8. It might be a problem there...

[pettersolberg29]

Someone on stage has just e-mailed me to say Petter stopped on stage 8, but is going again, shouldn't have lost too much time.

[MikeD]

Cheers!

I've given up on WWR - too much music, not enough rally!

I agree. Why on earth do they play music in the middle of the stages. I think we should all mail then and complain about it.

[kobefly]

Someone on stage has just e-mailed me to say Petter stopped on stage 8, but is going again, shouldn't have lost too much time.Maybe that person was consfused with Atkinson. Petter was only 5 secons from JML while Chris was 44 seconds off the pace.

[Helstar]

Oh damn :\ now Loeb will cruise even more ...

Spectators again throwing stones to rally cars!
How fuc***g stupid is that !!!

[Madeira]

Madeira Island (Portugal) :D

It's even more amazing 'cause Bernardo is only 20 and a roockie :bounce:

Don't forget his name...and trust me: his style make remember the unforgattable flying scottish... :cool:

yeah! specially when he sends rally cars to the trash.... :D

But yes he has an enormous potential...

[Viking]

Citroen 1-2 before end of day?

edit: no Sordo +30s

[ZequeArgentina]

It must be drunken ones. I have been to several rally of Argentina, and hundread thousand (spectators rach 1 million and a half here!!) have a perfect behauviour, but there can be 20 or 30 drunken ones who start with this stupid things!!!

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb must have been very fast on stage 8.

[Helstar]

Loeb must have been very fast on stage 8.
Nope... Latvala best time, Loeb +2.7, Galli +3, Solberg +5.8

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Beltran ?? He's under superrally on SS8 :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

Maybe that person was consfused with Atkinson. Petter was only 5 secons from JML while Chris was 44 seconds off the pace.

Yeah, probably.

[kleisj]

Hi all, I missed all the action after the 2nd stage. I was looking at the results and I wondered how could Hirvo threw away in the trash first stage present....!
Ok Latvala is more expected to do some mistakes. Anyway he is going flat flat. Still disappointing that both of them are out of contention.

[Rally Power]

[quote="Madeira"]yeah! specially when he sends rally cars to the trash.... :D

It's all part of the learning process of "how to became a WRC Champion" :D

[Mr Lopez]

I'm interested to hear everyone's view on Matthew Wilson's performance. I honestly thought that towards the end of last year he showed a lot of promise but what do you think about his performance on this rally? 24 seconds behind Villagra on the last stage? Did he have a problem?

[Tom206wrc]

Why did they stop to give results of SS8 ??? :s

[Mr Lopez]

Why did they stop to give results of SS8 ??? :s

coffee break?

[Tom206wrc]

What happened again to Sandell ??? He lost more than 4 minutes on SS8 !!! :(

Added to the loss on SS1 and 3, it's a lot for one leg... :s

Mechanical problems or mistakes ??? :confused:

[Viking]

Okey, Loeb almost a wheel change in front now but fight seems to be from 2nd to 5th.

[subaru 28]

You want action? give this man a WRC car


http://www.stohl-racing.com/ http://www.driftcompany.com

[Helstar]

You want action? give this man a WRC car
Is that Stohl ? No way man... bring back Bosse ^^ oh wait he retired :s

[Shrike]

You want action? give this man a WRC car


http://www.stohl-racing.com/ http://www.driftcompany.com

Yes we need him back in the WRC!

[kobefly]

I've just seen JML accident. He went off at low speed, the car was sideways but couldn't put it straight. However, he was able to low down a lot and that allowed him not to make any real damage to the car. It was a shame for him.

[subaru 28]

Is that Stohl ? No way man... bring back Bosse ^^ oh wait he retired :s


Yes, Stohlito in 2005 Cyprusrallye

[pettersolberg29]

Just seen the video on wrc.com of Travis' crash - what a character!

Imagine Loeb, responding to a crash and losing 5 mins, saying 'Oh Dang!' - Priceless.

[Helstar]

I've just seen JML accident. He went off at low speed, the car was sideways but couldn't put it straight. However, he was able to low down a lot and that allowed him not to make any real damage to the car. It was a shame for him.
We can forgive him. It was first SS, lots of fog, mud, was losing too much time already to Hirvonen... even Loeb and Atkinson made errors (spun) - all the others lost the hell of time.

I am more curious about Mikko's error ¬_¬

[pettersolberg29]

I dont want to have a go, but the amount of leeway JML gets is ridiculous.

Accept it - he made an error and it was his fault.

Rant over

[Tom206wrc]

Superrally for Toni Gardemeister in SS9 ??? :s

[Helstar]

I dont want to have a go, but the amount of leeway JML gets is ridiculous.
Accept it - he made an error and it was his fault.
Rant over
I'm 100% sure you weren't that hard with Petter when he was destroying all those Fords :p ? Anyway you're right, he did the error in SS2 not first one ^^

Galli 1'47" from Loeb at the end of SSS ... that means without first terrible stage and the 20 sec penalty he would be very close to Seb, not bad.

Good fight for tomorrow ! At least something to follow...

[pettersolberg29]

I'm 100% sure you weren't that hard with Petter when he was destroying all those Fords :p ?

Good fight for tomorrow ! At least something to follow...


True - but I was the only one as everyone didn't care for Petter!


Yeah - looking forward to the fight tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see if Petter still has the winning spirit in him and if he can catch Atkinson.

It'll be a dream come true if Loeb retires - leaving the Subaru boys to battle for the lead. Atkinson with a win can be top of the WDC, and Petter could be 3rd. And Subaru could lead the Manufacturer's race as well.
What a welcome surprise that would be!

GO PETTER!

[Fiorio]

True - but I was the only one as everyone didn't care for Petter!


Yeah - looking forward to the fight tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see if Petter still has the winning spirit in him and if he can catch Atkinson.

It'll be a dream come true if Loeb retires - leaving the Subaru boys to battle for the lead. Atkinson with a win can be top of the WDC, and Petter could be 3rd. And Subaru could lead the Manufacturer's race as well.
What a welcome surprise that would be!

GO PETTER!

if loeb retire...galli win...the end :D

[N.O.T]

Just seen the video on wrc.com of Travis' crash - what a character!

Imagine Loeb, responding to a crash and losing 5 mins, saying 'Oh Dang!' - Priceless.

you just spotted the difference between a real champion/competitor and a joker.....

[tmx]

what a terrible day for ford, i want atkinson to challenge loeb for the win.

[OldF]

I think this rally almost finished. Loeb doesn’t make, probably, any mistakes at these stages.

[tribefiend]

All it takes is a flat tire for Loeb and the rally gets real interesting.

[Ranger]

All it takes is a flat tire for Loeb and the rally gets real interesting.

Indeed. But that's unlikely.

On a quite strange note, if Loeb doesn't get 5th or higher and Atkinson inherits the win, then Chris will lead the World Championship! :s hock:

[ST205GT4]

You can imagine the beat up that would get in the news here in Australia.

I'm sure the media would come up with stupid questions like they did to poor Valentino Rossi when Stoner won his first WC at "such a young age". "I'd won 3 WC by his age" was his bemused response....

[Tomi]

Just seen the video on wrc.com of Travis' crash - what a character!

Imagine Loeb, responding to a crash and losing 5 mins, saying 'Oh Dang!' - Priceless.

No point to talk about theese 2 on the same day, pastrana will never become a rallydriver.

[Helstar]

if loeb retire...galli win...the end :D
LOL dream on.... there are the Subaru guys too (and Sordo).

All it takes is a flat tire for Loeb and the rally gets real interesting.
No. Take a deep look... no punctures yet (if I'm not wrong). It's not like Mexico ...

Btw Pirelli is doing great job, and somebody should admit they were wrong :p (also who was saying that Citroen got better tyres from Michelin uhm...)

[Sarac330d]

What happened again to Sandell ??? He lost more than 4 minutes on SS8 !!! :(

Added to the loss on SS1 and 3, it's a lot for one leg... :s

Mechanical problems or mistakes ??? :confused:

Everything, mechanical problems and on SS8 he rolled into a ditch!

[emk]

It must be drunken ones. ... but there can be 20 or 30 drunken ones who start with this stupid things!!!

We have hundreds of thousands of drunken ones and yet they don't get rocks to glasses in Finland ;)

[DonJippo]

We have hundreds of thousands of drunken ones and yet they don't get rocks to glasses in Finland ;)

No because they throw rocks to each others :p :

[janneppi]

What did happen to Hirvonen? Did he drive into the the wilderness to find the rock or was the rock in the road?

[DonJippo]

What did happen to Hirvonen? Did he drive into the the wilderness to find the rock or was the rock in the road?

Rock was on the road, few inches either way, right or left, and nothing would have happened.

[pettersolberg29]

Wonder if we'll have the same problems with times and WRR today!

[Helstar]

You bet. It should have started by now

[pettersolberg29]

Got times for Chris and Loeb - good start by Chris

[Bruno Portela]

Good morning everybody

[pucky54]

Petter now in front of Chris

[pettersolberg29]

GO PETTER!

14 seconds quicker than Loeb and Chris - he is 2nd!

WOOOO :)

[Bruno Portela]

1. Loeb S. - Elena D.
2. Solberg P. - Mills P. +1:23.4
3. Atkinson C. - Prévot S. +1:29.1

[malscar]

GO PETTER!

14 seconds quicker than Loeb and Chris - he is 2nd!

WOOOO :)

Sorry to say this to a petter fan, but for how long?

[Helstar]

Bad time for Gigi .... I'm going to see Eurosport coverage of Day 1 see ya in 30 min :p

[pettersolberg29]

I don't know malscar - this is a great time and a great start - long may it continue! 14 seconds probably isn't all fluke. Time Petter got a bit of recognition for what he's doing.

[malscar]

I think the enthusiasm he showed a couple of years ago was great, but he only seems to shine these days if the car is absolutely spot on. A shame really and unfortunately, I am just waiting for him to put it in the trees. Just like Chris (considering I am a Aussie I want him to win).

[pettersolberg29]

I'm waiting for him to roll it down a mountain - are there many trees in Argentina?

[malscar]

I'm waiting for him to roll it down a mountain - are there many trees in Argentina?

Sorry, rocks :(

[buffalo]

Goodevening Mal ... Let's hope both the Scooby's stay up where they are and preferably Atko up a couple of spots ;)

[malscar]

Hi Bill,

Can only hope can't we. Although as I was saying to ps29, I have a horrible feeling.

[malscar]

Matty Wilson passed Villagra, so he is now in sixth.

[tmx]

Sorry to say this to a petter fan, but for how long?

the rest of the rally.

[iJones]

Oh my head. And seeing the results is not helping. I thought I saw some bad news last night on the bar telly when I was :beer: (one too many I might add). Now there's someone doing that in my head :arrows:
Hopefully today is better for the Finns (myself included :D ). And I hope Atko stays on the road.

[SubaruNorway]

Splits working on wrc.com now

[GigiGalliNo1]

wrr working? i got no sound...

[bda]

wrr working? i got no sound...

Working for me.

[pettersolberg29]

WRR working for me

[Helstar]

I only listen to some female laughs and some male 'ye ye blah blah' not really understandable lol

Great coverage from Eurosport (didn't understood what happened to Mikko honestly xD !), the Henning Solberg's problem was O_o

[pettersolberg29]

Biggest surprise of the rally?

No Fords on the podium?
Subaru with 2 on the podium?

No - the biggest surprise is that Conrad is yet to Routenbach his car!

[Isthmus]

Nice time by P. ANDERSSON !

[White Sauron]

Oh no... Latvala again in troubles, this time mechanical... Por luck for Ford this weekend

[bda]

Subaru's championship prospects look better and better after each rally.
If the new car works when it arrives, they could be looking good with Ford going backwards like this.

[iJones]

Oh c*ap. :(

[pettersolberg29]

Sousa stopped after watersplash :(

[pettersolberg29]

Solberg's going slowly - Chris will probably catch him...

[Tom206wrc]

I hope Sandell will gain many GrN positions today :D

[pettersolberg29]

Galli losing loads of time

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo could catch Galli on next stage :p :

[ZequeArgentina]

Galli losing loads of time
Yep something is wrong with Galli (or more probably his car).
He is loosing much, while I expected him to fight with the Subs for a podium!!

Sorod will pass him...................unexpectedly big amount of problems for every Focus!!!

[bennizw]

Believe it or not, Rautenbach is up for one drivers point before this stage. Woho...

:p :

[Helstar]

Yep something is wrong with Galli (or more probably his car).

Some wrong changes to the setup... they hoped to improve, instead they lost the good efficiency of yesterday

[ZequeArgentina]

Some wrong changes to the setup... they hoped to improve, instead they lost the good efficiency of yesterday

Only setup? he is loosing way too much!!!!!!

Vilagra is closing onto Wilson, after having to change a tyre during first stage today.

[pantealex]

Where is Mikko Hirvonen, he has not started ss12?
edit.He is OK!

[pettersolberg29]

How old is Rautenbach?

Does he have any chance in the future? I know he's poor at the moment, but he may have potential if he's under 22.

[bennizw]

I think he is 21. Anywho, we all know what people think of him here :p :

Not you Geoff ;)

[Viking]

Not a single Finn in top 8! that does not happen to often.

[pettersolberg29]

And only 2 Scandinavians.

[DonJippo]

Not a single Finn in top 8! that does not happen to often.

Depends the penalty for Latvala as being late from start of stage 11. But you are right not a very good event for Finnish drivers.

[Josti]

And only 2 Scandinavians.

Minus one.

[DonJippo]

BTW some progress on wrc.com, we get the splits now for several stages at the same time :up:

[Tomi]

Yes not so good event from our boys this time, only Ketomaa in PWRC doing reasonably result today.

[Tom206wrc]

Again a best GrN time by Sandell in SS12 :)

[DonJippo]

What the heck wrong with Ford this weekend, Galli seems to be having a mechanical problem as well...

[MikeD]

Jesus, it looks as if Villagra could be the best placed Ford at this rally. Who vould have guessed that!

[jonkka]

Jesus, it looks as if Villagra could be the best placed Ford at this rally. Who vould have guessed that!

Galli drives Ford too

[dyfi1]

LOL!! Colin Clark too scared to ask Gigi what the problem is. "He`s (Galli) is in a very excitable mood right now," says oor Colin tae oor Baecs ;)

[Helstar]

Smoke in car so maybe it's falling into pieces.... he will stop in road section probably ... it was destiny for all Fords in this rally it seems.

[ZequeArgentina]

Again a best GrN time by Sandell in SS12 :)

Menzi and Pozzo (both with new Subarus N14) were faster (but not within PWRC).

[pettersolberg29]

R.I.P Caterpillar :)

[Viking]

Toni on radio ”everything is ok”, yes he is only 24min down on leader so… well the tone in his voice told me he wasn’t all to happy.

[White Sauron]

Smoke in car so maybe it's falling into pieces.... he will stop in road section probably ... it was destiny for all Fords in this rally it seems.

Hopefully it's all problems for this season)) And on next rallies Mikko and Jari-Matti will be topping the timesheets once again)

[pettersolberg29]

Just a random question: Did Petter compete in Rally Jordan last year?

Because if he did he would be the only top driver with the experience, and this could be two good results in a row for Subaru.

[Wim_Impreza]

Again a best GrN time by Sandell in SS12 :)

A best PWRC time, but not the best GrN time...

[Viking]

Just a random question: Did Petter compete in Rally Jordan last year?

Because if he did he would be the only top driver with the experience, and this could be two good results in a row for Subaru.

Only recce me thinks, but they don’t need to start from scratch with the notes.

[c4]

Could Subaru actually mount a challenge for manu crown this year, if things stay as they are it will be very close between Ford, Citroen and Subaru.

[ZequeArgentina]

Subarus have been reliable, but speedwise they are still way behind.
Only with a bid improvement with new car something like that could happen.

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Bernardo Sousa after SS13 ?? :confused:

[Tomi]

Could Subaru actually mount a challenge for manu crown this year, if things stay as they are it will be very close between Ford, Citroen and Subaru.
Citroens and Fords chances for the manu title is in their own hands, when again Subarus chances depends on how much missfortune Citroen and Ford has.

[Doug Woods]

No point to talk about theese 2 on the same day, pastrana will never become a rallydriver.

Tomi:

I think what you meant to say was that Pastrana will never become a top rally driver.

You could well be correct. Time will tell.

After a really bad day yesterday with a roll and lots of car damage, he has set some good times in the first four stages today. Third, third, ninth and fourth, in PWRC.

[Tomi]

Tomi:

I think what you meant to say was that Pastrana will never become a top rally driver.

You could well be correct. Time will tell.

After a really bad day yesterday with a roll and lots of car damage, he has set some good times in the first four stages today. Third, third, ninth and fourth, in PWRC.

Yes i noticed that, yes top i did mean, worksdriver.

[Viking]

Citroens and Fords chances for the manu title is in their own hands, when again Subarus chances depends on how much missfortune Citroen and Ford has.

Subaru has two drivers collecting points this season for a change, S12B will not be any better than this so question mark is S14 and how problemfree the change will be. But advantage Citroen and Ford for sure.

[JCarlosPP]

Where's Bernardo Sousa after SS13 ?? :confused:

Retired, gearbox problem! Tomorrow he will be back in Super-Rally....

[Tom206wrc]

After SS13 Patrik Sandell is 7th of GrN :)

Let's see if he can improve on the second loop of stages soon ;)

[pantealex]

Latvala is out of race.

[HaCo]

A best PWRC time, but not the best GrN time...

That's strange, in the entrylist he's marked as being N4? ;)

[Josti]

Retired, gearbox problem! Tomorrow he will be back in Super-Rally....

Is that possibile? I thought no more Super Rally on Sunday's, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[pucky54]

Indeed Pastrana very fast today. Good to see

[N.O.T]

GALLI G. / BERNACCHINI Car is full of smoke. Stopped on road section after stage.

[c4]

Galli withdrawn and Wilson late out of service. Villagra 5th!!!

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=766&desc=Midday WRC update: Subaru pair battle for second

[Tom206wrc]

I rarely saw a rally where Fords struggled like that :s

[pettersolberg29]

Petter is good on the Santica Monica - Amboy stage.

14 secs gained last time through, now 4.1 quicker than Chris after 1 split!

[Wim_Impreza]

That's strange, in the entrylist he's marked as being N4? ;)

Menzi and Pozzo were faster in that stage (SS12). ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Has Loeb finished - not on splits - neither Petter?

EDIT: There they are!

[White Sauron]

Loeb?!!! No!!! I wanna believe this!

[Tom206wrc]

Loeb ???? :eek:

[Glee]

Petter has finnished. If Loeb is out he is the leader.

[pettersolberg29]

Sorry - Loeb has finished :( !

[René]

Loeb ???? :eek:

It's tracking system failure they wait for his time !

[Glee]

Sorry - Loeb has finished :( !

As in crossed the finnish line or out of rally?

[Viking]

Is that possibile? I thought no more Super Rally on Sunday's, but correct me if I'm wrong.

It is that you cant superrally stages on Sunday (get +5min for the stages dont completed) if you retire on Sunday you....retire.

[pettersolberg29]

Loeb has finished as in completed the stage.

[playmo]

Villagra Out, still to confirm reason

[Tom206wrc]

If Andreas Aigner wins Pwrc he will get many driver points !!!! :eek: :eek:

[White Sauron]

Is Latvala in or out? If out - than why? No news about him.

[pettersolberg29]

Is Villagra out?

+7.30 at spit 3 but apparently still going...

[Viking]

Henning out also?? and Gardemeister still not very fast.

[N.O.T]

villagra lost around 10 minutes on that one...can he continue ???

[pettersolberg29]

Villagra has finished, but Wilson up to 5th!!

And Rautenbach 6th?!

[playmo]

GArde stoped at the end of stage, still to confirm if he will continue

[playmo]

Villagra without power steering

[Lousada]

Where is Galli and Latvala? The way it is going Hirvonen is still eyeing for sixth.

[pettersolberg29]

How is Mikko gonna get sixth?

He'll have to get past Rautenbach ;) which is basically an impossibility!

[paddocknews]

Latvala retired after service park, continue tomorrow.

[White Sauron]

The reason? He was going well...

[paddocknews]

The reason? He was going well...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66209

[playmo]

I'm a little lost here, where is PG? and due to what?

[White Sauron]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66209

thanks! really pity...(

[bf1_IRL]

PG had a Suspension failure I think..

[playmo]

bf1_IRL: Thanks!

[paddocknews]

LOEB S. / ELENA D."Quite OK, not so rough as we expected. Just keep car on the road and made no mistake."
ATKINSON Ch. / PREVOT S. "Petter is pushing. Sometimes it bit tricky."
SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "I'm not driving at maximum, but car is driving great. I have good feeling. I'm going sideways like Colin McRae."
SORDO D. / MARTÍ M."It's go "It's going well, bit changed car setup. I'm happy."ing well, bit changed car setup. I'm happy."

[bf1_IRL]

No probs :)

[paddocknews]

wilson: Reported broken suspension

[Lousada]

What a disaster for Ford.

[N.O.T]

Rautencrash is 5th.....16 minutes away from the leader......where is this world coming to ????

[N.O.T]

Solberg secures 2nd......why i think the subaru team has a part in this???

[MikeD]

Solberg secures 2nd......why i think the subaru team has a part in this???

Atkinson admitted that the team had asked him to back off.

I think it makes sense though.

[kleisj]

What a chaos! I wish Peter gets the win somehow.... !

[DonJippo]

Looks like Mikko has a chance to make it up to sixth place or even fifth :eek:

[HaCo]

Menzi and Pozzo were faster in that stage (SS12). ;)
Hehe, ok :) :)

[MikeD]

No 3. split for Rautenbach????

[ZequeArgentina]

he can gets any position, just 4 cars rather without problems (Subarus and Citroens)

[paddocknews]

No 3. split for Rautenbach????

Rautenbach + 00:47.6

[pettersolberg29]

I'd love to see both works Citroens retire because it would:

a) give Petter and Subaru their first win
b) give Subaru a brilliant 1-2
3) get Rautenbachon the podium!!!

[Glee]

A real hard fight for place no. 14....

[N.O.T]

I'd love to see both works Citroens retire because it would:

a) give Petter and Subaru their first win
b) give Subaru a brilliant 1-2
3) get Rautenbachon the podium!!!

for a and b its ok....but you must have serious issues to wish for a turist to get to podium.....

[muscrae]

I'd love to see both works Citroens retire because it would:

a) give Petter and Subaru their first win
b) give Subaru a brilliant 1-2
3) get Rautenbachon the podium!!!

a fantastic dream :D

[ZequeArgentina]

who are you speaking about when talking of 14th position?

Only real fight I see is Al Attiyah and Beltran for second place in PWRC, and slowly closing to Aigner

[DonJippo]

Only real fight I see is Al Attiyah and Beltran for second place in PWRC

Even that fight may be needless as I heard on radio there might be an issue on road section repairs on Beltran's car, anyone any details of this?

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg is going well!

[ZequeArgentina]

least interesting rally in 2008 by far...............
Difficult to find any fight!!!
Everybody just trying to secure what they get now!!
May be Al attiyah still hope for a win in PWRC but very difficult,

[Langdale Forest]

Petter wins the stage!

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone got any good pics?

[SubaruNorway]

Anyone got any good pics?

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=317&fotograf=34&all=1

[alleskids]

Has Khalid Al Qassami started (in 3rd works Focus) the Arentina Rally? I miss him from the results? He should be fighting with Rautenbach for the 5th position by now :)

[Isthmus]

«S.Loeb:Les conditions sont tellement piégeuses, avec la pluie, la boue et la réglementation qui nous impose de rouler en pneus durs, non retaillés, que c'est hyper-dangereux et que ça m'énerve», s'est emporté le quadruple champion du monde, parlant au nom de la plupart de ses collègues. «Il faut rester très concentré pour éviter de faire une faute. Alors on essaye juste de rester sur la route. C'était pire qu'hier et complètement ridicule de rouler dans ces conditions. La réglementation nous interdit de retailler les pneus. On ne prend pas de plaisir et beaucoup de risques pour rien.»

Sébastien Loeb souhaiterait désormais que les pneus soient retaillés avant le départ pour les quatre dernières spéciales de samedi après-midi. «Autoriser un "cut" serait très simple, le même "cut" pour tout le monde, et ça ferait beaucoup pour la sécurité. Or les gars qui prennent les décisions ne sont pas dans les voitures, ils n'en ont rien à foutre, alors que nous on prend des risques. Ce serait bien qu'on s'adresse aussi aux pilotes.»


"Avant le rallye, suite à des essais en Sardaigne, Citroën Sport avait demandé à la Fédération internationale de l'automobile (FIA) la possibilité de retailler les pneus en cas de pluie, ce qui avait été refusé par Ford, consulté par la FIA. Vendredi, les deux Ford Focus officielles sont parties dans le décor, sans toutefois que ce soit lié aux pneus."

Justice made? :dozey:

[N.O.T]

you just posted something in french in an english speaking forum.....

[Shrike]

Loeb says its dangerous to drive in these conditions with the current tires and they should be allowed to make cuts in them for saftey reasons.

[Shrike]

Citroen asked to allow cuts in tires for safety in these conditions and ford rejected. Now maybe ford wishes they didn't.

[Larry_Japan]

Has Khalid Al Qassami started (in 3rd works Focus) the Arentina Rally? I miss him from the results? He should be fighting with Rautenbach for the 5th position by now :)

No, there is no Al Qassimi in Argentina

[Isthmus]

In the 1ºs quote, Loeb says that drive with the rain/fog, the hard conditions we have in the rally with the impossibility to cut the tyres(hard tyres), it is very dangerous. Also says that a cut to all drivers (tyres)would improve it a lot.

In the 2º quote, it says that Citroën Sport asked FIA about the possibility to cut the tyres if the rain/hard conditions appears. FIA asked Ford about that, and they refused.

The Fords have suffered a lot with it, especially Latvala( roll..).

[kobefly]

Seb, one minute ago, waiting for his turn to start the super special:

http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/7801/loebaz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Glee]

1 leg with two SS and one SSS, who will stay and who will go (of the top 5)?

a) Sebastien
b) Petter
c) Chris
d) Daniel
e) Conrad
f) Non

[pettersolberg29]

No comments for ages!

So it leaves me to ask : with the time change/daylight saving tonight in GB, what times are the stages tomorrow?

Is it:
SS19 12:13 GMT
SS20 13:05 GMT
SS21 14:50 GMT?

And here's the best image of the day:

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn158/pettersolberg29/Petter-Mexico08.jpg