Rally History (part II)

[Carles Bosch 2]

Some precissions:

RACE (Rallye R.A.C.E.)
4° R. Jimenez - Segovia Lancia HF (Alberto Ruiz-Giménez / Jaime Segovia)
5° "Pedro " - Dejonghe BMW 2002 Ti (I've Govert de Jong, but I'm not sure)
6° C. Tuerlinx - Stalpaert Opel Commodore GS (Chris Tuerlinckx / Étienne Stalpaert)
7° JM. Lencina - Caballero Lancia HF (José Manuel Lencina)
8° K. Simonsen - A. Henriksen Opel Kadett GT (Kurt Simonsen)
9° . Zapico - Gregorio Renault R8 (Emilio Rodríguez Zapico / Gregorio: probably an alias for Lucas Sáinz)
10° H. Billstram - C. Billstram Opel Kadett (I've Claes Billstam, 'though I don't know for sure)
11° Mesia - Saavarada BMW 2002 (Jaime Messía / Genaro Saavedra)
12° C. De Cos - F. Salas Renault R8 (León de Cos / Esther Salas)
13° Marquez - Eulate Alfa Romeo 1750 (Márquez)
14° "Correcaminas" - De Onis Seat 600 D (Correcaminos, alias of Jaime Sornosa / Arturo de Onís)
15° Martin - Nunez Triumph TR 4 (Martín / Núñez)



RACE (Rallye de España) Note: those years there were an alternance regarding the name of the rally, being one year Rallye R.A.C.E. (RACE stands for Real Automóvil Club de España) the next Rallye de España.

4° Lele Pinto - Kirroy Lancia HF (Kilroy, alias of Piero Sodano)
5° E. Reverter - Pavon Porsche 911 (Estanislao Reverter / José Pavón)
6° G. Staepelaere - A. Aertz Ford Escort (Gilbert Staepelaere / André Aerts)
7° J. Ragnotti - P. Thimonier Opel Kadett
8° P. Komornicki - B. Krupa Alpine A110
9° H. Van Dulken - Antolin Renault R8 (Gerardo van Dulken / Ricardo Antolín)
10° P. Ransilla - Javal Renault R8 (Juan Carlos García de la Rasilla / "Javal")
11° MC. Beaumont - M. Grandrive Opel Commodore (In 11th scratch, I've Villacieros / Villacieros, Renault 8 TS - No signal of Beaumont/Grandrive in my database...)

Best Regards
Dario


Carles.

[januszsz]

On the Chlustine codriver I've this name: Øehák... of course, I don't know if this is the right spelling or not.

Carles.
It sounds good now. I can confirm existence of such co-driver (Rehak - with that little chevron above the letter "R" which makes a difference while reading and a big one if computer changes it to "Ø") from Czechoslovakia in late 60's.
Many thanks Carles
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

Carles.
And again many thanks to you Carles. Your presicions are precoius. Thou you didn't precise Komornicki - there is still P. Komornicki. I know for sure it was Krzysztof Komornicki/Błażej (Blazej - to be more readible) Krupa.
I see I have a big problem (many "blanks") concerning R.A.C.E. Rally of 70's, too. I'll specify them in a minute.
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

That is what I have concerning R.A.C.E.'71:
01 Jean-Pierre Nicolas F Jean Todt F Alpine-Renault A110 1800 S
02 Bernard Fiorentino F Berbery F Simca CG MC
03 Estanislao Reverter E Ventura E Alpine-Porsche Prototype
04 Sobiesław Zasada PL Ryszard Nowicki PL BMW 2002 TI
05
06 Sandro Munari I Mario Mannucci I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600
07
08
09
10

Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

And some more Spanish rallies:
RACE 1972
01 Salvador Canellas E Daniel Ferrater E SEAT 124 Spyder
02 M. Juncosa E D. Monaco E SEAT 1410
03 José Pavon E Ricardo Antolin E Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
RACE 1973
01 Jorge Babler E Ricardo Antolin E SEAT 1430-1800
RACE 1974
01. Antonio Zanini E Eduardo Martinez Adam E SEAT 1430-1800
02. Juan-Carlos Pradera E R. Comyn E SEAT 1430-1800
03. Estanislao Reverter E A. Reverter E BMW 2002 TII
RACE 1975
01. Antonio Zanini E Eduardo Martinez Adam E SEAT 1430-1800
02. Claude Haldi CH Bernard Sandoz CH Porsche Carrera RS
03. Sainz E Zovita E Alpine-Renault A110 1800 S
04. Salvador Canellas E Daniel Ferrater E SEAT 1430 proto
05. Marc Etchebers E Christine Etchebers E BMW 2002 TII
Regards
Janusz

[Carles Bosch 2]

It sounds good now. I can confirm existence of such co-driver (Rehak - with that little chevron above the letter "R" which makes a difference while reading and a big one if computer changes it to "Ø") from Czechoslovakia in late 60's.
Many thanks Carles
Regards
Janusz

Janusz,

then, the right spelling is Øehák or Rehak?

Carles.

[Carles Bosch 2]

Thou you didn't precise Komornicki - there is still P. Komornicki. I know for sure it was Krzysztof Komornicki/Błażej (Blazej - to be more readible) Krupa.

Janusz

Janusz,

I've not specified 'cause is like you've stated: Krzysztof.

Also, I've not precised on Ragnotti / Thimonier 'cause they are well known.

Carles.

[Carles Bosch 2]

And some more Spanish rallies:

RACE 1972 (Rallye España, not Rallye RACE in 1972)
01 Salvador Canellas E Daniel Ferrater E SEAT 124 Spyder (Salvador Cañellas / Daniel de Ferrater is the right spelling; Seat 124/1600, not a spyder, but a berlina)
02 M. Juncosa E D. Monaco E SEAT 1410 (Manuel Juncosa / José María Mónaco, Seat 1430/1600)
03 José Pavon E Ricardo Antolin E Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S (José Pavón / Ricardo Antolín)

RACE 1973
01 Jorge Babler E Ricardo Antolin E SEAT 1430-1800 (Jorge Bäbler / Ricardo Antolín, Seat 1430 Especial 1800)

RACE 1974
01. Antonio Zanini E Eduardo Martinez Adam E SEAT 1430-1800 (Eduardo Martínez Adam, Seat 1430 Especial 1800)
02. Juan-Carlos Pradera E R. Comyn E SEAT 1430-1800 (Juan Carlos Pradera, Seat 1430 Especial 1800)
03. Estanislao Reverter E A. Reverter E BMW 2002 TII (Estanislao & Antonio Reverter)

RACE 1975
01. Antonio Zanini E Eduardo Martinez Adam E SEAT 1430-1800 (Eduardo Martínez Adam, Seat 1430 Especial 1800)
02. Claude Haldi CH Bernard Sandoz CH Porsche Carrera RS
03. Sainz E Zovita E Alpine-Renault A110 1800 S (if my memory serves me right Lucas Sáinz -Carlos' uncle- / José Antonio Zorrilla)
04. Salvador Canellas E Daniel Ferrater E SEAT 1430 proto (Salvador Cañellas / Daniel de Ferrater, Seat 1430 Especial 1800 Group 2, not the Proto Group 5)
05. Marc Etchebers E Christine Etchebers E BMW 2002 TII (Marie-Chrsitine, Etchebers' wife)

Regards
Janusz


Carles.

[januszsz]

Janusz,

then, the right spelling is Øehák or Rehak?

Carles.
In my opinion the right form is Rehák (with that little chevron above the "R"). That's funny as in my post preview I can see that name in the right form and when I am in the Forum it is wrong "Øehák". (To be precise - as I am not sure if you see it the same way as I do - when on Forum that special "R" changes to that norwegian/danish slashed "O".
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

Thank you Carles for precising names I wrote. My intention was also to ask for those names I don't have in the results. Is it possible?
By the occasion Canellas and Zanini were often doing Rajd Polski in late 70's. There on the entry list they sometimes existed in the strange forms like:
In 1976 it was: Sans Zanini/Petisco Garay what later was known as Antonio Zanini/Juan José Petisco, Salvador G. Canellas/Daniel T. Ferrater; May you explain what it was with Zanini and Petisco and meannings of the extra initials in Canellas / de Ferrater names?

Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

.. and one more question to Carles concerning Spanish drivers in Poland: in 1977 Salvador Servia was co-driven by Jordi Sabater, in 1980 Zanini's co-driver was called Jorge Sabater. Are those two different people or...? I know there was Victor Sabater, too. May you explain that, please?
Warm regards
Janusz

[Carles Bosch 2]

That is what I have concerning R.A.C.E.'71:
01 Jean-Pierre Nicolas F Jean Todt F Alpine-Renault A110 1800 S (The A110 1800 S wasn't homologated still in 1971, this one was a Proto 1860cc engined)
02 Bernard Fiorentino F Berbery F Simca CG MC (Lucien Berbézy)
03 Estanislao Reverter E Ventura E Alpine-Porsche Prototype (Ventura is an alias for Antonio Freire)
04 Sobiesław Zasada PL Ryszard Nowicki PL BMW 2002 TI
05 Alberto Ruiz-Giménez / Javier Bueno, Porsche 911S
06 Sandro Munari I Mario Mannucci I Lancia Fulvia Rally HF 1600
07 Lucas Sáinz / Juan Carlos Oñoro, Alpine-Renault A110 1500 (Proto)
08 Jacques Henry / Étienne Grobot, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S
09 J.P. Rieu / "Jimmy", BMW 2002 ti
10 Franco Perazio / Romolo? Rossi, Lancia Fulvia Coupé Rallye HF

Regards
Janusz


Carles.

[Carles Bosch 2]

By the occasion Canellas and Zanini were often doing Rajd Polski in late 70's. There on the entry list they sometimes existed in the strange forms like:
In 1976 it was: Sans Zanini/Petisco Garay what later was known as Antonio Zanini/Juan José Petisco, Salvador G. Canellas/Daniel T. Ferrater; May you explain what it was with Zanini and Petisco and meannings of the extra initials in Canellas / de Ferrater names?

Regards
Janusz

I'll try to explain the little mistery: the full name of Zanini is Antonio (first name) Zanini (father's family name) Sans (mother's family name). In Spain usually the people are known for his first name and the father's family name, but the full name (with the first and second family names) is used in all the official documents like the ID, the passport or the driving license. So, sometimes, if the person who type the drivers names in the entry lists don'y know the usual form (Antonio Zanini) can type also Zanini Sans or Antonio Zanini Sans.

The case of Petisco is the same, with Juan José as fist name.

On Salvador Cañellas, the G. must stand for his "second" first name, like José in the case of Juan José Petisco.

On Ferrater the T. must be the same: a "second" first name, like the french Jean-Pierre. In the case of Ferrater his father's family name is De Ferrater, like Van or Von in the Netherlands or Deutschland. So the correct spelling of Ferrater's name is Daniel de Ferrater.


Hope this helps,

Carles.

[Carles Bosch 2]

.. and one more question to Carles concerning Spanish drivers in Poland: in 1977 Salvador Servia was co-driven by Jordi Sabater, in 1980 Zanini's co-driver was called Jorge Sabater. Are those two different people or...? I know there was Victor Sabater, too. May you explain that, please?
Warm regards
Janusz


Jordi (in catalan) or Jorge (in spanish) are the same guy, while Víctor is his brother. Both are from Barcelona and in the case of Víctor there's no confusion 'cause both in catalan or spanish the name is spelled and sounds exactly.

The problem with the names in spanish or catalan comes from the 40 years of Franco's dictature 'cause the catalan was banned and all the catalan names in official documents were translated to spanish.

There are a lot of cases, in racing or rallying, like Joan (Juan) Fernández, Pere (Pedro) Nogués, Jordi (Jorge) Catón, Josep María (José María) Fernández -Joan's brother-, Josep María (José María) Servià -Salvador's brother-.


Carles.

[januszsz]

Thank you Carles for "Sunday School of Spanish Rallying History" - very interesting lessons.
Warm regards
Janusz

[EUW938V]

MY BIT OF HISTORY


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[FAL]

Well, I have 2 Mk2 Escorts for sale, one has done just as many International rallies! I would accept a tenth of the price!

On a serious note, can the forum operators please clarify the rules about what are really adverts on the site? - and perhaps remove advertising posts to a separate place?
I know we have no right to have this thread kept solely for historical rally results, just rally history, but a convention has built up over a very long time that it is for that purpose alone and I'm sure most of those using it regularly would prefer it to continue in that form. We have already had rallycross posts put into a separate thread.

[Kaps]

And here's some 1978 world championship questions:

At San Remo, Vudafieri-Mannini & Bettega-Torghele works crews entered by Lancia Pirelli or...?

At Corsica, Vudafieri-Scabini works crew entered by Lancia Pirelli or...?
I believe Bettega-Vacchetto were a Lancia Pirelli works crew.

Also, does anyone know the entrant of Lancia Stratos of Blomqvist-Sylvan at Swedish, and of Darniche-Mahe at Portugal?

And finally (for now), what was the entrant of Porsches 911 of Waldegard-Thorszelius & Preston-Lyall at Safari, and what was Markku Alen driving on RAC, 131 or Stratos?

Thank you.

[FAL]

Alen was in Stratos for 78 RAC (and it was the year Rohrl's 131 had Geisdorfer sitting in the back!).
I think the Stratos had lost the 4 valve per cylinder heads by that year following changes to Appendix J. Alen persuaded Lancia to enter one again in 79 but that was a cobbled-together car (an ex-Darniche Chardonnay car?). He went well in both years but with 12 valves it was no longer capable of dominating.

[Kaps]

Thanks FAL. I just don't understand how was it possible that Lancia Stratos was entered by Alitalia Fiat?

About the other questions, anybody?



jorge, what's going on with you? I need your help man! :(

[FAL]

Probably the same deal as with the Waldegard entry in 76. Fiat probably wanted Alen in a 131 and originally entered him in that. Fiat and Lancia were the same group by then and internal poilitics was demanding Fiat did rallies, Lancia did sportscar racing and Ferrari did F1. Alen had a lot of influence and wanted to win the RAC in a Stratos so persuaded the team to let him drive one - but that late they could only change the car, not the entrant.
It's usually said that the end of the Stratos in rallying was brought about by this internal politics - but it's not as simple as that as the changes to Appendix J had stopped the Stratos using the 4 valve heads and it was no longer as quick.
Photos of 78 RAC - link just posted on another forum:
http://www.netikka.net/kp-rallyteam/rac178.htm

[Kaps]

Thanks again FAL. Very nice pics!

I was amazed to see the spelling on the Fords! It says Eaton's Yale on Waldegard's car, and Eaton Yale on Mikkola's!

Is it really a mistake or what?


BTW Does anybody know what's up with jorge? It would seem he's not around lately. I hope everything is OK?

[Carles Bosch 2]

BTW Does anybody know what's up with jorge? It would seem he's not around lately. I hope everything is OK?


I've just seen several Jorge's posts in another forum (@ the french http://www.forum-auto.com), so I suppose everything's OK.

Carles.

[FAL]

Proves they were finished in two different places by different people!
The real joke is that it was not really sponsorship in the conventional way - it was part of a negotiated deal/price for Ford buying Yale fork lift trucks from the Eaton Corporation for use in its factories.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....


?? ?? 1961 - 2° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 311
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. M.???? Halada - V.???? Janatka (Fiat 600)
2. J.???? Janout - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)
3. Jiri Srnski - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)



?? ?? 1962 - 3° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 304
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. Alois Mark - Z.???? Raska (Tatra 603)
2. Jaroslav Fac - Lubomir Rek (Tatra 603)
3. Vladimir Hubacek - P.???? Svejda (Skoda Octavia Super)



?? ?? 1963 - 4° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Karlove Vary

km. 1480
grand touring cars - touring cars
czech rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Zdenek Treybal - L.???? Sekac (Saab ???)
2. ???? Egemova - ???? Somr (Fiat Abarth ???)
3. Jaroslav Bobek - Leo Hnatevic (Skoda ???)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

I'm allright Kaps !

regards
jorge

[jrally]

I was looking for the final times in :

Monte Carlo 89 (between 88th and 109th)
Monte Carlo 92 (between 77th and 86th)
Monte Carlo 93 (between 87th and 106th)

Thanks
jorge

[januszsz]

Someone knows.....


?? ?? 1961 - 2° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 311
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. M.???? Halada - V.???? Janatka (Fiat 600)
2. J.???? Janout - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)
3. Jiri Srnski - ???? ???? (Skoda Octavia Super)



?? ?? 1962 - 3° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Praha

km. 304
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. Alois Mark - Z.???? Raska (Tatra 603)
2. Jaroslav Fac - Lubomir Rek (Tatra 603)
3. Vladimir Hubacek - P.???? Svejda (Skoda Octavia Super)



?? ?? 1963 - 4° Rally Vltava
Start: Praha
Finish: Karlove Vary

km. 1480
grand touring cars - touring cars
czech rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Zdenek Treybal - L.???? Sekac (Saab ???)
2. ???? Egemova - ???? Somr (Fiat Abarth ???)
3. Jaroslav Bobek - Leo Hnatevic (Skoda ???)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Nothing more to add except of Srnsky not Srnski.
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

Very nice to see you're up and running jorge!

Thanks also to Carles & FAL.

BTW Recently I started to use Forum Sport Auto site quite often and I managed to find pics of Bettega at 1978 San Remo & Corse, which clearly show that he was in a works Stratos on both of them.
I also found out that Mouton-Conconi at 1978 Monte Carlo, were in a Chardonnet-entered Stratos.
I couldn't, however, find anything about Vudafieri on San Remo & Corse rallies.

Please, does anyone know about the entrants of Blomqvist's Stratos at Swedish and Darniche's at Portugal, the entrants of Mercedeses at Safari (Zasada-Krupa, Singh-Doig, Cowan-Syer, Fawkes-Kaiser, all privateers?) and the entrants of Citroen CX 2400s at Portugal (Toivonen-Pajanen, Luc-Alessandrini, Romaozinho-Bernardo), Acropolis (Toivinen-Pajanen, Luc-Charbonnier, Nicolas-Laverne, Trautmann-Roch) and 1000 Lakes (Luc-Luparia).

[Steve Boyd]

Thanks again FAL. Very nice pics!

I was amazed to see the spelling on the Fords! It says Eaton's Yale on Waldegard's car, and Eaton Yale on Mikkola's!

Is it really a mistake or what?


I hadn't noticed before but I think it's to ensure correct English grammer! The pictures are taken from different sides of the cars. I have just checked a model I have of Mikkola's car and the wording is "lift trucks from Eaton Yale" on the left side. The wording on the right side is "Eaton's Yale lift trucks". Assuming that this model is an accurate reflection of the actual car then both Mikkola's & Waldegard's would have been the same.

[FAL]

I hadn't noticed before but I think it's to ensure correct English grammer! The pictures are taken from different sides of the cars. I have just checked a model I have of Mikkola's car and the wording is "lift trucks from Eaton Yale" on the left side. The wording on the right side is "Eaton's Yale lift trucks". Assuming that this model is an accurate reflection of the actual car then both Mikkola's & Waldegard's would have been the same.

Yes it's one of those things you don't notice or think about because it's so obvious! Pictures elsewhere of the Waldegard 78 car show it's the same as the Mikkola car. Same for 2 years in all British events. To get "Eaton" on the larger surface at the back on both sides it has to be different wording. Some advertising industry guru has probably grown rich on the pyschology of having a main logo in the same place to make maximum impact regardless of whether the words are gibberish.
The replica builders on another forum were having a major debate on the exact shade of blue used (it was a very "grey" shade of blue and at least one modern replica car is too bright). (Hope the model is correct!) No one had thought to look at the current Eaton Corporation web site.....which is mainly in their corporate blue.

[FAL]

As for Safari Mercedes, I recall when Tony Fowkes (not Fawkes) got the drive. I'm sure he would not have been able to afford it as a private entry so it was works funded (although probably local dealer-entered). It was linked to his involvement in the later marathon rallies.

[januszsz]

Very nice to see you're up and running jorge!

Thanks also to Carles & FAL.

BTW Recently I started to use Forum Sport Auto site quite often and I managed to find pics of Bettega at 1978 San Remo & Corse, which clearly show that he was in a works Stratos on both of them.
I also found out that Mouton-Conconi at 1978 Monte Carlo, were in a Chardonnet-entered Stratos.
I couldn't, however, find anything about Vudafieri on San Remo & Corse rallies.

Please, does anyone know about the entrants of Blomqvist's Stratos at Swedish and Darniche's at Portugal, the entrants of Mercedeses at Safari (Zasada-Krupa, Singh-Doig, Cowan-Syer, Fawkes-Kaiser, all privateers?) and the entrants of Citroen CX 2400s at Portugal (Toivonen-Pajanen, Luc-Alessandrini, Romaozinho-Bernardo), Acropolis (Toivinen-Pajanen, Luc-Charbonnier, Nicolas-Laverne, Trautmann-Roch) and 1000 Lakes (Luc-Luparia).
Mercedes in Safari'78 was entered by D.T. Dobie & Co. Ltd, the same entrant as "works" Datsuns had. Mercedes cars were "works" ones and were entered by local importer (incidentaly the same company ran Datsun's dealership).
Citroens in Portugal and Acropolis were "works" ones too (I am not sure about Roamozinho) but not neccesarily entered under Citroen Sport Team (or something alike). It was different time and different habits - you didn't need to registarate works team to score manufacturer's points, you simply needed to finish in points. It was common to do rallies as a local dealer entry. It builds position of such dealer and was an element of local marketing.
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

Thanks very much FAL & Janusz!

I've just found out some indications that 1978 Mercedes' Safari brigade was, indeed, entered as D.T. Dobie & Co., and was about to ask if anyone could confirm this.
I guess you just did that. Thanks again.

Now I just need something on Blomqvist's & Darniche's Stratoses on Swedish & Portugal and that of Vudafieri at San Remo & Tour de Corse.

[Kaps]

Oh, I forgot this: the 2 Martini-sponsored Porsche 911s at Safari (Waldegard-Thorszelius & Preston-Lyall), what was their entrant?

About Citroen, could it be they were entered by Citroen Competition?

[januszsz]

Oh, I forgot this: the 2 Martini-sponsored Porsche 911s at Safari (Waldegard-Thorszelius & Preston-Lyall), what was their entrant?

About Citroen, could it be they were entered by Citroen Competition?
Porsches were entered by Martini Racing Porsche System Engineering.
According to Holmes's book Citroens were "works" entrants. In Portugal Luc and Romaozinho ran group 2 cars and Henri Toivonen ran group 1 car. In Greece three Citroens were group 2 cars but in different types of specification. The most powerfull car used Nicolas, less powerfull were cars of Toivonen and Luc, young Trautmann drove group 1 car.
Darniche drove Andre Chardonnet Stratos.
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

...and Blomqvist's car in Sweden was painted in official works color scheme: black, white and red with large Pirelli stickers.

[Kaps]

Thanks a lot Janusz, you really helped me with this.

As far as I can see now, it's only Vudafieri left to be confirmed.

Well, I got away with 1978 easier than I could possibly expect, thanks to you guys!

I really appreciate this!

[januszsz]

OK! Finally I checked Vudafieri. The only source were pictures: San Remo he did in Jolly Club Stratos sponsored by Camel, but in Corse his car was in official Lancia-Pirelli color scheme!
Regards
Janusz
By the way long time ago (in 1957) Polski Rally did three Yugoslavian drivers: Milivoje Vukovic (DKW), S. Vidmar (Porsche) and Santavic (Fiat 1100TV) - do you know christian names of Vidmar and Santavic? Is Milivoje the right name for Vukovic? I have an entry list for Polski Rally 1964 and there are three Zastavas 750 (starting numbers 27, 28, 29) and one Zastava 1300 (number 67) but it's all about. There are no names just only indication that those should be crews from Yugoslavia. Do you know something about? It was an entry list not a list of starters and I am not sure if they did start the event. Next year there were 5 Yugoslavian crews in Poland's round of ERC.

[januszsz]

... describing 1957 I missed Dusan Maleric (Mercedes). Is it the right name?
J.

[Kaps]

Oh, I'm terribly sorry Janusz, but after a whole day of trying I couldn't find anything about those guys.
I even asked mother of a friend (she used to be involved in some club-level rallying ages ago), but she never heard of them either.


Personally, I don't have anything even remotely close to this era.
I'm really very sorry I couldn't return the favour!

However, I still have a few 1978 questions to finish that season off.
1. The entrants of Opel Kadett GT/Es of Kullang-Berglund & Danielsson-Edqvist on Swedish and of Kullang-Berglund & Danielsson-de Jong on Criterium de Quebec.
2. Crew Temmes-Eriksson on Swedish, a works Saab or not?

That would be all for 1978.

[FAL]

As I may not be able to help next week, I'll try and cover RAC 79 works entries for Kaps!

Ford - effectively 7 mechanically-identical Escorts run under co-ordinated "works" service arrangements. This was the last official Ford works rally with Mk2 Escorts and all publicity photos etc show 7 Escorts as the "works" team.
3 entries from "FoMoCo" - Mikkola (Eaton Yale), Waldegard (Eaton Yale) and No.73 Guenda Eadie/Flip Kerr, Fiesta (prize drive for winning the UK Faberge Fiesta ladies championship).
Rothmans Rally Team-Vatanen, Equipe Esso-Clark, Andrews-Brookes, Haynes-Taylor, Ford Australia-Carr.
Haynes car actually built by Haynes, Brookes car originally works built but run during 79 by own mechanics. Others works built.

Lancia GB - Alen, Stratos. This car allegedly removed from museum and prepared by independent Italian Stratos specialist as works team no longer had any parts.
Lancia England - multiple entries of Autobiancis from European championship all running at back of field.
Alitalia Fiat - Rohrl, 131. Was to have been the (originally works built) car run in the UK during 1979 but found to have a twisted body during preparation and older (originally works built) UK 1978 car used.

Chrysler Competition Centre - Sunbeam Lotus
Team Toyota GB - Works Celicas
Saab Scania AB
BL Cars
Team Datsun Europe
DTV Castrol - Chevettes
DOT (UK) - Opel
Dealer Team Skoda (a UK driver at No 132)
Audi Motorsport - Works team of 4 Audi 80s
VEB Automobilwerk Eisenach - Wartburgs

[Kaps]

Thanks a lot FAL!

But before that there's still some 1978 stuff that I don't know for sure.

-the entrants of Kullang & Danielsson at Swedish and Quebec,

-works Saab cars at Swedish, where there any besides Eklund's

-entrant for Ford of J. P. Nicolas at Portugal, as I believe that wasn't a works car, also at RAC, that PCA/Total Oil wasn't a works entry?

-entrant for Porsche of J. P. Nicolas at Monte and of F. Vincent at San Remo and Corse

[januszsz]

J-P. Nicolas for sure was a private entry for Monte Carlo. His car was run by Almeras brothers. Safari entry was probably the sole "works" entry of Porsche for WRC in 1978.
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

-the entrants of Kullang & Danielsson at Swedish and Quebec,

-works Saab cars at Swedish, where there any besides Eklund's

-entrant for Ford of J. P. Nicolas at Portugal, as I believe that wasn't a works car, also at RAC, that PCA/Total Oil wasn't a works entry?

-entrant for Porsche of J. P. Nicolas at Monte and of F. Vincent at San Remo and Corse

Thank you Janusz.

jorge, do you maybe have some of the answers on the above?

[Juha]

-the entrants of Kullang & Danielsson at Swedish and Quebec
The trip to Quebec was arranged by Dealer Team Holland for Kullang, Bergsteyn and Danielsson but I don't know under wich team name they ran (it was a mix of swedish and dutch mechanics).

Francis Vincent's Porsche was a private entry.

Eklund was the only works Saab in Sweden, Blomqvist's Saab turbo was not ready so he switched to Lancia.

World Rallying says Nicholas' Escort in Portugal was entered by Ford of Britain, together with Waldegard, Vatanen and Mikkola.

[Kaps]

Thanks very much Juha!

[FAL]

Graham Robson has J-P Nicholas in a full works car (MTW200P) in Portugal 78
This particular car was sold to David Sutton in 79, so tends to be thought of as one of his hire cars, but in 78 it was a works car.
Nicholas on RAC 78 was entered by Peter Clarke Autos (Peter Clarke ran the Total UK programmes with various drivers in ex-works Escorts). As said earlier, there were no official works Fords on the 78 RAC but if, but for the strike, the main team cars had been works-entered, I think you would still have seen the Nicholas (ex-works) car as non-works (PCA) entered.

As also said once before, "following the money" is one way of deciding what was really works and what wasn't. I'm not sure of J-P Nicholas' status at Ford. They lacked a true tarmac specialist ever since Vic Elford left during the Cortina days. J-F Piot was funded by Ford France in a works-loaned car in earlier Escort years and J-P Nicholas may have been indirectly paid by Ford France or just Total but did on occasion drive a full works Escort, so may have been on a factory retainer....

[Kaps]

Hmm, I guess I'll have to re-do my 1978 table.
I've been convinced now that I should regard Nicolas' Portugal entry as a works one, and that at RAC as a privateer.

Also, I wonder what were Lancia's plans for Sweden?
As we know, they entered only one car, and it was driven by Stig Blomqvist.
But, as Juha here revealed, it was only possible due to a fact that Saab could get only 1 new car ready in time for the rally, and they gave it to Eklund. (Strange decision if you ask me!)
So Blomqvist went with Lancia, and finished 4th.
But what interests me is, who was originally intended to drive that Stratos, or did Lancia only decided to enter the car for Blomqvist once it became clear that his Saab drive will not materialise?

[kabouter]

Anybody knows consecutive numbers of following WRC 2007 events:
Rally Norway
Rally de Portugal
Rally Ireland
as well as the Rally Russia (IRC 2007 event).
Regards
Janusz

When Janusz asked this some time back we settled on Ireland and Portugal, but we didn't continue the discussion if Rally Norway should be considered a continuation of Rally Finnskog Norway (which would mean last weekend the 26th Rally Norway was held) or if last year's event was a new start, making this the 2nd Rally Norway. At the moment I tend to include the Finnskog rallies as the organisers of that event also play a role in Rally Norway and Rally Norway took the spot of Rally Finnskog on the calendar. Does anyone have reasons to change this view?

Also, we didn't reach a conclusion if Rally Russia can be considered a continuation of Rally Vyborg.

[FAL]

I don't recall it from before, but Ireland really should be a new event (trial run last year for WRC 2007). The traditional Circuit of Ireland may or may not run this year (currently it is still happening) but that is because of a falling out between sponsor and organisers.

[kabouter]

I don't recall it from before, but Ireland really should be a new event (trial run last year for WRC 2007). The traditional Circuit of Ireland may or may not run this year (currently it is still happening) but that is because of a falling out between sponsor and organisers.

Yes, we already settled on Rally Ireland being a new event, having its first edition in 2005.

I've got a question about Portugal as well though - I checked and according to the edition numbering in my database this year's event should be the 40th edition of Portugal. I've taken my edition numbers from World Rallying, but I don't have them at hand here at university, so if someone could check if 2001 (the last WRC edition of the rally until this year) is edition 34 or 35 according to Holmes would be helpful.

[Iskald]

[quote="kabouter"]When Janusz asked this some time back we settled on Ireland and Portugal, but we didn't continue the discussion if Rally Norway should be considered a continuation of Rally Finnskog Norway (which would mean last weekend the 26th Rally Norway was held) or if last year's event was a new start, making this the 2nd Rally Norway. At the moment I tend to include the Finnskog rallies as the organisers of that event also play a role in Rally Norway and Rally Norway took the spot of Rally Finnskog on the calendar. Does anyone have reasons to change this view?

QUOTE]

Interesting question, but IMO Rally Norway is not just a continuation of Rally Finnskog Norway (a rally that in early days also held the names Finnskog Vinterrally and Rally Finnskog). The first event was held in 1982 and the last and 24th was held in 2005. Again IMO, this so far ends the story of Rally Finnskog, which makes this years WRC-event the 2nd Rally Noirway.

Only three stages out of 18 in this years Rally Norway used bits and pieces of old Rally Finnskog stages (SS 4, SS 5 and SS7). RN also used roads/stages earlier used in Rally Solør (SS2), Rally Snøfresern a.k.a "Snowplough" (SS 9/18 and 10), Rally Elverum (SS 9/18), Rally Hedmarken (SS13/16) and Rally Lillehammer (SS 12). The three first events were snow rallies, Hedmarken ran on gravel and Lillehammer on tarmac/gravel. So inside the Rally Norway route there were pieces/parts of stages from a total of six other events.

It is true that some of the organisers from Finnskog and some businessmen from the town of Kongsvinger originally came up with the idea of a WRC-event in Norway, and sure enough they would very much have liked to see this event as a pure continuation of Rally Finnskog. The first plans put forward was a more or less complete Finnskog-based event, but other organising clubs and not to forget the Norwegian ASN (Norges Bilsportforbund) was against this. In fact everybody outside the Kongsvinger/Finnskog "clan" pushed for a Hamar-based event to make use of the strong sporting reputation from the 1994 Olympics (in Lillehammer and Hamar). And this was of course the only sensible solution, as we have seen this last week.

When it comes to Rally Finnskog history I can tell all interested parties that this is now well documented in a DVD-film (made by my company - http://www.tv-media.no) called "20 år med Rally Finnskog" ("20 years of Rally Finnskog"). We regretably didn`t have any video or TV-footage from the first three events, 82,83 and 84, but everything from 1985 to 2005 is documented in a 3 1/2 hour film.

The text on the cover of the film - and the commentary - states that Rally Finnskog was the rally that originally started the process towards a WRC-event in Norway. But still, historically and geographically, you have to consider Rally Finnskog and Rally Norway two different events.

[FAL]

I've got a question about Portugal as well though - I checked and according to the edition numbering in my database this year's event should be the 40th edition of Portugal. I've taken my edition numbers from World Rallying, but I don't have them at hand here at university, so if someone could check if 2001 (the last WRC edition of the rally until this year) is edition 34 or 35 according to Holmes would be helpful.

No data/records but sounds about right. As far as I know the first UK start (there were multiple start venues, like Monte Carlo) for the TAP Rally was 1968 (1 car, a Mini Cooper S). In 1969 there were quite a few UK starters. Both times from a hotel near Heathrow airport but not the same hotel as the RAC Rally.

[jrally]

Tjeerd, 35th edition in 2001 (Holmes has 34th)

Let's see

1 - 1967
2 - 1968
3 - 1969
4 - 1970
5 - 1971
6 - 1972
7 - 1973
8 - 1974
9 - 1975
10 - 1976
11 - 1977
12 - 1978
13 - 1979
14 - 1980
15 - 1981
16 - 1982
17 - 1983
18 - 1984
19 - 1985
20 - 1986
21 - 1987
22 - 1988
23 - 1989
24 - 1990
25 - 1991
26 - 1992
27 - 1993
28 - 1994
29 - 1995
30 - 1996
31 - 1997
32 - 1998
33 - 1999
34 - 2000
35 - 2001
36 - 2002
37 - 2003
38 - 2004
39 - 2005
40 - 2006
41 - 2007

Regards
jorge

[kabouter]

I found a logo for the 1995 Rallye de Portugal with the number 28:
http://www.worldrally.net/pakar/95/portugal95.html

I checked my World Rallyings and Holmes is consistent in his numbering from the start.

Might the reason be that the 1967 rally was a national event only which wasn't included in the official count for a while? Just guessing here.

And thank you Iskald for your eplanation. Does anyone have anything to add or do we agree that this was the 2nd Rally Norway?

[Iskald]

And thank you Iskald for your eplanation. Does anyone have anything to add or do we agree that this was the 2nd Rally Norway?

Nobody can disagree with that, I think. I certainly don`t, having competed in the Rally Finnskog events first time in 1986 and nearly all years up to 2005. For those who are interested I will tell that I have done the event in a great variety of cars like Toyota Corolla WRC, Toyota Celica ST205, Ford Escort Cosworth, Mitsubishi Evo 6, Peugeot 205, Lada Samara 1300 (!), Ford Escort RS Turbo, VW Golf, Opel Kadett Gsi and some others.

I know there are several people that would have liked to see a lot more of the stages from the Finnskog Rally in Rally norway, but regretably these stages are too far away (eastwards) and the infrastructure is not good enough in this wast forest area that is called Finnskogen (Finn Forest - named after Finnish immigrants!). A pity really for some of these stages are classics in Norway and fantastic stages. But with todays regulations concerning remote services, and also the limitations in stage and road-section mileage between service halts, its just not possible.

[FAL]

Re- Portugal. I am fairly certain 1968 was the first year we really became aware in the UK of the TAP Rally as an International. I have tried to recall whether it might have been 1967 but I'm sure it wasn't. The next year some good deals must have been on offer because there were a lot of British private entries. That second year must have been 1969 because there were several private Escort Twincams (Toney Cox is one I recall). If it had been 1968 there would not have been any in private hands yet.
But Jorge is the expert!

[kabouter]

Thanks for your input on this matter, FAL! I think it's certain there was an event in 1967, but the question is if it was an international event, and if during the 1980s and 1990s it was included in the "edition count" of the rally. It's certain it's included now - the official Rally Guide includes the 1967 winners in the roll of honour.

[jrally]

I've checked my books and I'm correct !

In the book 'César Torres - História do Rallye de Portugal" they put (how do we say) the papers announced the rally and for example the 1973's edition was the 7th Rallye International TAP. In 1967 it's written there '1st Rallye Internacional TAP'.

Regards
jorge

[jrally]

To complete my previous message here the paper of 73. Holmes said it was the 6th Rallye International TAP. He was wrong !

[kabouter]

Thanks for the research Jorge!

Do they also mention the edition number in the 1980s or 1990s? I'm still curious to find why Holmes has got different editions, he must have got it from somewhere...

Anyway, it looks like I'll have to correct this information RallyBase :D

[jrally]

Tjeerd,

When the rally started to be called 'Rallye de Portugal - Vinho do Porto' they omitted the editions in the papers. I have not here the book but that is how I remember it !

regards
jorge

[FAL]

We in the UK were told about TAP rally as a "new" rally for 1968, so I guess Holmes (like me, at the time a member of Sutton and Cheam Motor Club) just assumed it was the first version!

[paul batten]

Toyota entrant was "Team Toyota" with the address of Toyota GB. Rorhl and Kullang were "Opel Euro Handler Team" with the address being Russelheim (same entrant of Opels as on 1976 RAC). Carlsson was "Dealer Opel Team Holland" and Danielsson was "Dealer Opel Team" (the UK operation of Tony Fall).
But it gets even more complicated....

The Ford entry of John Taylor/Phil Short was "Haynes of Maidstone" and I think by then they built their own cars (so this is not recorded by Robson as a works-built Ford on this rally) although it would have been serviced partly under the Ford "umbrella".
The contemporary event report refers to 3 works Ford entries only. (Ford in UK were of course also funding the Group 1 RS2000s of Malclom Wilson and Graham Elsmore in addition to the other cars mentioned above).

As for Fiat, the event report refers to 6 works entries, 4 from Olio Fiat "in the blue and yellow colours" and 2 from Autonovo "in the black and white colours of the Chequered Flag".
There was a 7th Fiat actually entered by The Chequered Flag (Garage) for Billy Coleman/Dave Richards. This was an ex-works car that was in the UK throughout 1977 for the Brtish Championship.
BUT... I have now seen a photo of the Lampinen car on the 77 RAC and it is NOT in the Olio Fiat colours but carries "Fiat UK" and "The Chequered Flag". The Lampinen car on the provisional entry list I have was one of the Olio Fiat entries not Autonovo.
There was also of course one Stratos for Munari ("Lancia/Alitalia" but with the address of Lancia England) and I see Lancia attempted to obtain a late entry for Darniche too but this was corrrectly refused as there was already a long list of reserves (this is interesting for me as I co-drove the very last private entry that actually made it into the rally from the reserve list!).

Obviously Fiat UK (and The Chequerd Flag Garage - Graham Warner a dealer that sold the more "sporting" Fiats and Lancias in the UK - were a major source of funding for this large Fiat entry. What I cannot remember is whether Fiat had already won the Manufacturers WRC by the time of the RAC (Waldegard was first drivers champion?). If so, maybe they were going to withdraw all entries and it was only money from Fiat UK that brought them to this RAC?
What I also cannot remember is seeing any of the works cars on the event itself (I was running at the back) and the only magazine photo I can find is the Lampinen one - so I don't know the actual colours of the others.
(and no, I dont have such details for other 77 WRC events - I wasn't entered on them!)
Hi kaps & fal. My name is paul batten i am australian mechanic i started out with chequered flag in74 with stratos , fiat,rothmans ford opel,david sutton
ford audi,borham ford,audi r6 finished in 86 to south africa run opel dealer team gm. I was called a mercenary as if team was short i would go but worked manly with david richards as we become mates at flag.All of what you are taking about i was there.I have heeps of photos rally plates road books posters of this erer? hope i can help at any time Regards Paul.

[FAL]

Hi Paul - and welcome!
(Your name sounds familiar to me but I probably knew most people only by sight rather than by name throughout that period). I was mainly co-driving then driving in that period but was often in service crews earlier - and would have been hovering to take the roadside spots as soon as your teams moved on. Most of the guys here are heavily into results/records but I do try and drift off into annecdotes from that period whenever possible! Pentti Arikkala posts regularly elsewhere on the forum with some crazy stories but we haven't got him on to this thread yet. Tim who used to work on the Tony Maslen hire cars in Belgium etc. is around on another forum. I'm sure it would be useful to know roughly which years you were with which teams so people know when to ask for info on which makes. Does the timescale you mentioned put you in S. Africa when Mick Jones was runing the RS1700T there?
For rally plates, there is a major thread on a French forum which started out on early rally plates but has moved into the 70s and 80s:
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto/theme40/sujet378146-280.htm

[paul batten]

Hi fal
mick left the year i started with gm we had drivers Tony Pond , Jimmy Mcrae,
jocky Klient,Sorry i just went through my papers i was there 83 to 85 .When in 84 i went to opel Ruesselheim which was under Tony Fall and built rear wheel drive Kadett to go back to SA. After i came back to UK working at borham with John Taylor on europ group A cars. In74 75 with flag worked on stratos & fiat I went to torino built the car for rac the car comes out of factory wheeled on a trolley just shell there were many small garages around factory that built all the range of cars after rac with CF fiat & olio Fiats i ran team out of Fiat UK with Fouse mad Italian & John Spiller and i worked together from there did UAE rallys with jimmy/Ian Grimshore & Al hajri / John Spiller All rothmans Daid Richards ran it.You talked about building out of factory the bodys were simler to fiat would come from Matter then farmed out i built one with Hainbach for Al Hajri/spiller for rally of the pharaohs in 82.
Sorry going round world on dates here i have got all my lounge covered in paper work memory not that good? Some of people i worked with next time my one finger is worn out as people might remeber me know I lost couple fingers .Regards PEB

[noel157]

Wonder if anybody can help? Where can I find online stage times for the 1985 Tour de Corse and were the Rothmans Porsche entries (Beguin & Coleman) works cars or Prodrive (or both)?

Noel

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


18 giugno 1970
Bulgaria

1° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Reiner Altenheimer - Elena Koller (Porsche 911)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

first edition

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10 giugno 1971
Bulgaria

2° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. 2093
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Ilia Tchoubrikov - Kolio Tchoubrikov (Renault Alpine A110 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

----------------------------------------------------


23 giugno 1972
Bulgaria

3° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. 2050
groups 1-2-3-4
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jparker]

[quote="Giorgio"]Someone knows.......

http://golden-sands.rally-club.net/years_en/1970_en.html
http://golden-sands.rally-club.net/years_en/1971_en.html
http://golden-sands.rally-club.net/years_en/1972_en.html

[jparker]

Guys, do you know who is the quickest to win WRC event?
1. From begining of his career to his first WRC win
2. From his first WRC start to his first WRC win

Thanks

[januszsz]

Guys, do you know who is the quickest to win WRC event?
1. From begining of his career to his first WRC win
2. From his first WRC start to his first WRC win

Thanks
2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

[FAL]

Wonder if anybody can help? Where can I find online stage times for the 1985 Tour de Corse and were the Rothmans Porsche entries (Beguin & Coleman) works cars or Prodrive (or both)?

Noel

A familiar theme "when is works not works"!
As with BMW later, Prodrive probably had more association with Porsche than either wanted to admit but I don't recall them in any way running "works" cars as such then. It is fairly safe to assume that only started for Prodrive with Subaru? Technical help and direct funding are two different things. Just about everyone seems to have driven those Porsches (presumably Toivonen was in a Lancia on that rally - he had a split programme between Prodrive and Lancia that year didn't he?). Last event I saw them on Roger Clark and Saeed El Hajri were driving them!

I'm sure someone on the Tour de Course thread on the French Forum Auto
would have detailed results but I'm not sure any of the french posters there lokk at this thread (although at least one visits this forum).

[kabouter]

I'm pretty sure the 1985 Tour de Corse stage times cannot be found online. If you want I can scan the stage results from Klein's yearbook (top 6 for all stages). Send me a PM if you're interested.

[jparker]

2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

Interesting stuff :)
Thanks Januszsz

[noel157]

Thankyou Fal & Kabouter.

[januszsz]

Interesting stuff :)
Thanks Januszsz
those other guys were Shekhar Mehta and your compatriot Walter Boyce
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

1980 Portugal rally, when was it run?

Jonkka has 4-6 March, but Tjeerd has 4-9 March.

Which is correct?

[jrally]

the one from Tjeerd is correct !

Regards
jorge

[Kaps]

Thanks!

[Doug Woods]

2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

You are correct. Since 1973 was the first year of the WRC, many drivers won the first WRC event they took part in. I was fortunate enough to be in one of those winning cars.

Doug Woods

[januszsz]

You are correct. Since 1973 was the first year of the WRC, many drivers won the first WRC event they took part in. I was fortunate enough to be in one of those winning cars.

Doug Woods
Yes, it's true, but you needed two attempts to win ;) . It was your second WRC rally. It's nice to see you here again Mr Woods.
Regards
Janusz

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......


25 agosto 1972

1° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Rumen Minchev - Yordan Velev (BMW 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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27 agosto 1973

2° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Lyubomir Yurukov - Rumen Minchev (BMW 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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26 agosto 1974
3° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Radoslav Peikov - Kostadin Gurlev (Renault Alpine A110 1300)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[januszsz]

I can't help you Giorgio except of small correction: Petkov not Peikov ('74)
regards
Janusz

[Giorgio]

Thanks Janusz for the correction!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

If someone is interested in french rallyes nationals and regionals:

http://www.phautosport.com/Forum/viewforum.php?f=3

--> Histoire des Rallyes

Best regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows the real name ?

"Mardro" (Rally du Touquet - 1964 - France)
"Fouk" (Rally du Touquet - 1964 - France)
"Vic" (Charbonnières, 1965 - France)
"Belphégor" (Rally du Roussillon 1966)
"Charly" (3° Rally Presidente FCA - 1° Trofeo Luis de Baviera, 1967 - Spain)
"Goudurix" (Rally Mistral, 1968 - France)
"Pablo" (Tour de l'Aisne, 1969 - France)
"Pedro" (Tour de l'Aisne, 1969 - France) co-driver de "Pablo"
"Andy" (Haspengouw, 1972 - Belgium)
"Cocotte" Rally du Limousin, 1973 - France)
"Squalo Canela II" (Rally Isla de Gran Canaria, 1973 - Spain)
"Scarpu" (Ronde de la Giraglia 1976)
"Miriam" (Halkidikis Rally, 1994 - Greece)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......


5 aprile 1969
1° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. ???? Tvrdon - ???? Martis (Skoda 1000 MB)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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8 aprile 1970
2° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Vladimir Hubacek - Vojtech Rieger (Renault R8 Gordini)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

9 aprile 1971
3° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Vladimir Hubacek - Vojtech Rieger (Renault Alpine A110 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[januszsz]

Someone knows......

5 aprile 1969
1° Rally Matador Tatry

8 aprile 1970
2° Rally Matador Tatry

9 aprile 1971
3° Rally Matador Tatry

Thanks in advance
Giorgio
I can add christian name of the first winner: Milan Tvrdon. I am pretty sure that word "Matador" was added much much later (21st century). It is brand of slovakian tyres in Czechoslovakia times known as "Barum". Nowadays Czechs have Barum and Slovaks have Matador. And one more: it was named Rallye Tatry (if you care about the original names).
Regards
Janusz

[elvis]

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

[elvis]

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

[Giorgio]

Very thanks for the info, Janusz !

Giorgio

[elvis]

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

nobody ?

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......

22 novembre 1970 - Tour de Belgique
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort 1600)
2. Alcide Paganelli - ???? ???? (Fiat 124 Spider 1600)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

9 novembre 1973 - Tour de Belgique
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

8 novembre 1974 - Tour de Belgique
1. "Didi" (Jean Marie Cols) - Alain Lopes (Fiat 124 Abarth)
2. ???? Darimont - ???? Nys (Fiat 124 Abarth)
3. Willy Plas - ???? Maes (Renault R12 Gordini)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

Someone knows......

22 novembre 1970 - Tour de Belgique
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort 1600)
2. Alcide Paganelli - ???? ???? (Fiat 124 Spider 1600)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

9 novembre 1973 - Tour de Belgique
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

8 novembre 1974 - Tour de Belgique
1. "Didi" (Jean Marie Cols) - Alain Lopes (Fiat 124 Abarth)
2. ???? Darimont - ???? Nys (Fiat 124 Abarth)
3. Willy Plas - ???? Maes (Renault R12 Gordini)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio


Giorgio, it's André Aerts and by the way, a happy birthday and all the best !

Regards
jorge

[FAL]

Was going to say it's Andre Aerts but couldn't find a written record to check!
Alcide Paganelli co-driver would have been Nini Russo? (co-driving then before becoming team manager later).

[Giorgio]

Thanks, Jorge and FAL!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows....


?? / ?? / 1972 - 1° Haspengouw Rally (is the first ?? and the name is correct ?)

km. ????

1. Rudolf Moortgat - "Andy" (???? ????) (Ford Escort)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

------------------------------------------------

23 settembre 1973 - Rally du Condroz

km. ????

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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6 dicembre 1975 - 12 Heures d'Ixelles

km. ????

1. Willy Plas - "Chavan" (Charles van Stalle) (Renault R12 Gordini)
2. ???? Goblet - Alain Lopes (Sunbeam)
3. ???? Levaux - ???? Moers (Renault R12 Gordini)

-------------------------------------------------------

13 marzo 1976 - Circuit des Ardennes

km. ????

1. Gilbert Staepelaere - "Vaillant" (Eric Symens) (Ford Escort RS)
2. "Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)
3. ???? Verhulst - Georges van Oosten (Porsche Carrera)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

Was going to say it's Andre Aerts but couldn't find a written record to check!
Alcide Paganelli co-driver would have been Nini Russo? (co-driving then before becoming team manager later).

Yes, FAL, you are right ! Domenico Russo !

regards
jorge

[jrally]

Someone knows....


-----------------------------------------------

6 dicembre 1975 - 12 Heures d'Ixelles

km. ????

2. Jean Louis Goblet - Alain Lopes (Sunbeam)

-------------------------------------------------------

13 marzo 1976 - Circuit des Ardennes

km. ????

1. Gilbert Staepelaere - "Vaillant" (Eric Symens) (Ford Escort RS)
2. "Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)
3. Luc (?) Verhulst - Georges van Oosten (Porsche Carrera)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Regards
jorge

[Kaps]

At 1981 Tour de Corse No. 5 Alain Coppier-Josepha Laloz, Renault 5 Turbo,
No.16 Bruno Saby-Daniel le Saux, Renault 5 Turbo

Were they works Renaults, like Ragnotti, or not?

If not, does anybody know the entrant of those cars?

Thanks!

[Giorgio]

Thank you Jorge!

Giorgio

[Kaps]

Another one from 1981:

At Marlboro rallye do Brasil, Datsun Violet of Mehta-Mehta and Datsun 160J of Recalde -del Buono, were entered by Ma.Ma.Sa, as in Argentina, or not?

Thanks!

[Kaps]

At 1981 Tour de Corse No. 5 Alain Coppier-Josepha Laloz, Renault 5 Turbo,
No.16 Bruno Saby-Daniel le Saux, Renault 5 Turbo

Were they works Renaults, like Ragnotti, or not?

If not, does anybody know the entrant of those cars?

Thanks!

And another one from 1981, this should be FAL's jurisdiction.

Ford Escort RS of Lampi-Kuukkala was entered at 1000 Lakes by David Sutton Motorsport. Was it the same at Swedish and at RAC?

[Giorgio]

Someone knows....

27 marzo 1976 - Anvers - Liège - Anvers
Willy Plas - ???? Doum (Renault R17 Gordini)
"Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - André Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

23 maggio 1976 - Criterium Lucien Bianchi
Flory Roothaert - ???? Nijs (Renault Alpine A110 1600)

11 settembre 1976 - 12 Heures de la Panne
???? Lois - ???? Rossi (Porsche)
???? Verhulst - ???? van den Houtte (Opel Kadett GTE)

17 settembre 1976 - 1° De 3 Zustersteden (is the first ?? and the name is correct ?)

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[FAL]

And another one from 1981, this should be FAL's jurisdiction.

Ford Escort RS of Lampi-Kuukkala was entered at 1000 Lakes by David Sutton Motorsport. Was it the same at Swedish and at RAC?

81 RAC shows entrant as Lasse Lampi himself. Surprised that Sutton should appear as any entrant in 1981. David Sutton Cars/Sutton Motorsport operated as "Rothmans Rally Team" for 1980 and 81. (2 cars on Swedish and 1000 Lakes - Vatanen and Arrikkala - and 3 cars on RAC - those 2 + Wilson). Lampi may have had an ex-Sutton hire car but I'm surprised it was entered by Sutton or serviced by Sutton. Maybe our recent new member Paul Batten knows?

[Wim_Impreza]

I have here a postcard with these notes:
Car: Audi Quattro
Number: 21
Rally: Costa Smeralda 1981
Result: 4th

Please someone knows who was the driver and codriver and maybe the team or entrant?

Thank you very much in advance.

[kabouter]

I have here a postcard with these notes:
Car: Audi Quattro
Number: 21
Rally: Costa Smeralda 1981
Result: 4th

Please someone knows who was the driver and codriver and maybe the team or entrant?

Thank you very much in advance.
Michele Cinotto and Emilio Radaelli, I'm not sure about the team.

[Wim_Impreza]

Thank you. If you know the team in the future, please contact me.

[jrally]

It was one official car ! Audi Sport !

regards
jorge

[Wim_Impreza]

Thanks Jorge.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....


21 febbraio 2004 - Rally de Monchique
J.???? Neves - J.???? Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)
E.???? Valente - J.???? Lelo (Renault Clio Williams)
J.???? Pinto - J.???? Silva (Renault 11 Turbo)

27 febbraio 2004 - Rally Cidade de Fafe
L.???? Costa - N.???? Almeida (Volkswagen Golf GTi)
T.???? Almeida - J.???? Caetano (Opel Astra)
A.???? Gomes - A.???? Silva (Opel Kadett)

5 marzo 2004 - Rally da Camacha
P.???? M.???? Gomes - N.???? Rodrigues (Volkswagen Golf kit)
J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
F.???? Freitas - D.???? Figueiroa (Opel Astra kit)

13 marzo 2004 - Rally de Gois
C.???? Eduardo - C.???? Augusto (Ford Escort Cosworth)
P.???? Barata - L.???? Fernandes (Volkswagen Golf)
J.???? Neves - L.???? Encarnacao (Ford Sierra Cosworth)

16 aprile 2004 - Rally Sical
H.???? Franco - F.???? Furtado (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 7)
F.???? Peres - J.???? Silva (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 7)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[januszsz]

Horacio Franco
Fernando Peres/Jose Pedro Silva
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

Someone knows.....


21 febbraio 2004 - Rally de Monchique
José Neves - José Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)
Eduardo Valente - João Lelo (Renault Clio Williams)
João Pinto - João Silva (Renault 11 Turbo)

27 febbraio 2004 - Rally Cidade de Fafe
Luis Costa - Nuno Almeida (Volkswagen Golf GTi)
Tiago Almeida - José Caetano (Opel Astra)
António Gomes - A.???? Silva (Opel Kadett)

5 marzo 2004 - Rally da Camacha
Pedro Mendes Gomes - Nuno Rodrigues (Volkswagen Golf kit)
José Camacho - Pedro Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
Filipe Freitas - Daniel Figueiroa (Opel Astra kit)

13 marzo 2004 - Rally de Gois
C.???? Eduardo - C.???? Augusto (Ford Escort Cosworth)
P.???? Barata - L.???? Fernandes (Volkswagen Golf)
J.???? Neves - L.???? Encarnacao (Ford Sierra Cosworth)

16 aprile 2004 - Rally Sical
Horácio Franco - Francisco Furtado (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 7)
Fernando Peres - José Pedro Silva (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 7)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Here what I could find, Giorgio !
Hope it helps ...

Regards
jorge

[Juha]

27 marzo 1976 - Anvers - Liège - Anvers
Willy Plas - ???? Doum (Renault R17 Gordini)
"Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - André Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

23 maggio 1976 - Criterium Lucien Bianchi
Flory Roothaert - ???? Nijs (Renault Alpine A110 1600)

11 settembre 1976 - 12 Heures de la Panne
???? Lois - ???? Rossi (Porsche)
???? Verhulst - ???? van den Houtte (Opel Kadett GTE)


Flory Roothaert - Eddy Nijs

I think Rossi and Doum are nicknames.

[Giorgio]

Grande Jorge !

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Very thanks, Janusz and Juha !

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......


17 aprile 2004 - Rally Pinhais do Centro
P.???? Alves - R.???? Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
Vitor Lopes - J.???? Henriques (Citroen Saxo)
C.???? Cruz - P.???? Bibi (Fiat Punto)

2 maggio 2004 - Rally de Almodovar
R.???? Teodosio - P.???? Primaz (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)
J.???? Merceano - F.???? Pereira (BMW 325)
J.???? Neves - J.???? Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally da Ribeira Grande
Luis Pimentel - F.???? Nunes (Subaru Impreza WRX)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally Luis Mendes
J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
A.???? Camacho - J.???? Goncalves (Citroen Saxo kit)

14 maggio 2004 - Rally Portas de Rodao
P.???? Alves - R.???? Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
L.???? Cardoso - I.???? Branco (Citroen Saxo)
P.???? Antunes - J.???? Amorim (Fiat Punto)

15 maggio 2004 - Rally de Famalicao
M.???? Almeida - G.???? Pereira (Volkswagen Golf G60)
D.???? Bastos - R.???? Loures (Toyota Celica)
F.???? Barros - S.???? Oliveira (Opel Astra)

28 maggio 2004 - Rally de Santa Cruz
P.???? M.???? Gomes - N.???? Rodrigues (Volkswagen Golf kit)
J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)

28 maggio 2004 - Rally Trilhos da Chanfana
C.???? Eduardo - C.???? Augusto (Ford Escort Cosworth)
J.???? V.???? Neves - L.???? Encarnacao (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
P.???? Barata - L.???? Fernandes (Volkswagen Golf)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Kaps]

I've found some indication that Saby and Coppier were entered in 1981 Monte, Corse and RAC by Bozian, and that Ragnotti was the only works Renault driver that season.

Is it possible that Bozian entered cars as early as 1981?

I need some confirmation on this, please.

[FAL]

No Coppier on 81 RAC on any list I have. Ragnotti Renault Sport Elf and Saby shown as private entry on list I have. As far as I recall both Renaults ran in "works" colours but I may be confused with 82.

[FAL]

From an interview with Renault team manager Patrick Landon at the time of 81 RAC:
Ragnotti car was 440VB91, the Corsica car, full spec, 260 bhp, 900kg (yellow works colours).
Saby car described as 6480VM38, factory (Autosport entry list says entrant: B. Saby) customer spec car, 200bhp, 930-940kg, French Championship winer, red.
(The only other Renault 5 Turbo on the 81 RAC was the private British car of John Price - although he got cars and parts from the factory team).
None on 82 RAC.

[Kaps]

Thanks FAL. I think it's established then, that Saby's wasn't a works car on any of the Monte, Corse or RAC.

And Coppier only appeared at Monte & Corse, I presume as a privateer, both times.

[Jarek Z]

Hello to all crazy historians! :)

I have a question that fits in this thread. Does anybody have the entry list for 1997 Piancavallo Rally? It was Italian ERC round at that time.
Here you can see results of this rally, but does anybody have the entry list?
http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...t&rallyid=1333

[jrally]

Hello to all crazy historians! :)

I have a question that fits in this thread. Does anybody have the entry list for 1997 Piancavallo Rally? It was Italian ERC round at that time.
Here you can see results of this rally, but does anybody have the entry list?
http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?ty...t&rallyid=1333

Jarek, I think I can help !
Send me a PM with your adress !

Regards
jorge

[Jarek Z]

Just sent you a PM, did you receive it?

[jrally]

Just sent you a PM, did you receive it?

Yes, and I have reply !

Regards
jorge

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......


17 aprile 2004 - Rally Pinhais do Centro
P.???? Alves - R.???? Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
Vitor Lopes - J.???? Henriques (Citroen Saxo)
C.???? Cruz - P.???? Bibi (Fiat Punto)

2 maggio 2004 - Rally de Almodovar
R.???? Teodosio - P.???? Primaz (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)
J.???? Merceano - F.???? Pereira (BMW 325)
J.???? Neves - J.???? Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally da Ribeira Grande
Luis Pimentel - F.???? Nunes (Subaru Impreza WRX)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally Luis Mendes
J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
A.???? Camacho - J.???? Goncalves (Citroen Saxo kit)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

Someone knows......


17 aprile 2004 - Rally Pinhais do Centro
P.???? Alves - R.???? Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
Vitor Lopes - J.???? Henriques (Citroen Saxo)
C.???? Cruz - P.???? Bibi (Fiat Punto)

2 maggio 2004 - Rally de Almodovar
R.???? Teodosio - P.???? Primaz (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)
J.???? Merceano - F.???? Pereira (BMW 325)
J.???? Neves - J.???? Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally da Ribeira Grande
Luis Pimentel - F.???? Nunes (Subaru Impreza WRX)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally Luis Mendes
J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
A.???? Camacho - J.???? Goncalves (Citroen Saxo kit)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Hi Giorgio !
First of all let me ask you why are you so interested in regional rallyes ? They don't made part of the National rally championships ....

Secondly you should pay attention to those who have been already answered, such as J.???? Camacho - P.???? Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
which I have answered earlier in this thread ...

Ricardo Teodósio-Paulo Primaz

I will look for the others when I have some time available ...

Best regards
jorge

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, Jorge !

1) i am intersted in all rallyes (internationals, nationals and regionals), races, and hill climb of everybody

2) i'am sorry....

Best regards

Giorgio

[jrally]

Someone knows......


17 aprile 2004 - Rally Pinhais do Centro
Paulo Alves - Rui Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
Hugo Lopes - Jorge Henriques (Citroen Saxo)
Carlos Cruz - Paulo Bibi (Fiat Punto)

2 maggio 2004 - Rally de Almodovar
Ricardo Teodosio - Paulo Primaz (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)
José Merceano - Francisco Pereira (BMW 325)
José Neves - José Jesus (Ford Escort Cosworth)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally da Ribeira Grande
Luis Pimentel - Fernando Nunes (Subaru Impreza WRX)

7 maggio 2004 - Rally Luis Mendes
José Camacho - Pedro Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)
Alexandre Camacho - Jorge Gonçalves (Citroen Saxo kit)

14 maggio 2004 - Rally Portas de Rodao
Paulo Alves - Rui Coelho (Citroen Saxo)
Luis Cardoso - Isabel Branco (Citroen Saxo)
Paulo Antunes - Jorge Amorim (Fiat Punto)

15 maggio 2004 - Rally de Famalicao
Mário Almeida - Guilherme Pereira (Volkswagen Golf G60)
Delfim Bastos - Rui Loures (Toyota Celica)
Filipe Barros - Sérgio Oliveira (Opel Astra)

28 maggio 2004 - Rally de Santa Cruz
Pedro Mendes Gomes - Nuno Rodrigues (Volkswagen Golf kit)
José Camacho - Pedro Calado (Peugeot 306 Maxi)

28 maggio 2004 - Rally Trilhos da Chanfana
Carlos Eduardo - Carlos Augusto (Ford Escort Cosworth)
José Vidal Neves - Luís Encarnacao (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
Paulo Barata - Leonel Fernandes (Volkswagen Golf)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Here they are, Giorgio !
regards
jorge

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, Jorge!

regards

Giorgio

[Kaps]

In 1982 Marlboro Rallye do Brasil Audi finished 1st and Opel 2nd and yet, everywhere I looked it said that Audi scored only 10 pts and Opel 9, instead of Audi 18 and Opel 16.
It's like they only were awarded points for finishing 1st and 2nd overall (10 and 9 pts respectively) and no points for finishing 1st and 2nd in Gr.4.

However, a Ford finished 3rd, and received 8 pts (3rd overall) + 8pts (1st Gr.2) = 16 pts.

Does anybody know why Audi & Opel didn't received full points?

[januszsz]

It was because there were not enough group 4 starters to score points in that group.
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

Oh, I didn't know that.

How many starters there should be in each group, for the points to be awarded?

Thank you, Janusz!

[januszsz]

Oh, I didn't know that.

How many starters there should be in each group, for the points to be awarded?

Thank you, Janusz!
I am not sure, but something (my memory) says it was minimum 5 cars. I Brasil there were 4 group 4 cars on the start line. Note that sometimes my memory is not working properly ;)
Regards
Janusz

[jrally]

One request !

Does anyone have a entry list of the Yalta Nemiroff Rally of 2006 (not in cirilic) ?

Thanks in advance
jorge

[GigiGalliNo1]

Put this in the history books: boring-est rally - Argentina 2007......

[januszsz]

One request !

Does anyone have a entry list of the Yalta Nemiroff Rally of 2006 (not in cirilic) ?

Thanks in advance
jorge
If it is readable (just clear cirilic not strange "bushes" in place of cirilic signs) I can translate you Jorge to latin letters.
Regards
Janusz

[Giorgio]

Someone knows ....

?? ?? 1977 - 1° Rally of the Baie des Chaleurs
?? ?? 1978 - 2° Rally of the Baie des Chaleurs
?? ?? 1979 - 3° Rally of the Baie des Chaleurs
?? ?? 1980 - 4° Rally of the Baie des Chaleurs

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Kaps]

Does anybody know reasons for retirements for Toyotas of Waldegard & Eklund at 1983 RAC?
Some sources claim that Waldegard had a mechanical and Eklund an accident, but others claim the other way around.
So I'd like to know what is right.

[FAL]

Autosport says:
Eklund - engine, after stage 23
Waldegard - OTL (after accident), after stage 32

I will check other sources when time permits. I don't have official results for 83 as I wasn't competing, only 82 and 84.

[FF-fan]

Does anybody know reasons for retirements for Toyotas of Waldegard & Eklund at 1983 RAC?
Some sources claim that Waldegard had a mechanical and Eklund an accident, but others claim the other way around.
So I'd like to know what is right.

Waldegaard's rally ended when he stuffed the car into the trees in Grizedale Forest (Waldegaard's Toyota losing a front wheel). Per Eklund expired after SS23 Falstone.

[Kaps]

Thanks a lot guys!

One more from 1983; does anybody know the first name of Warmbold's co-driver Kischkel at Acropolis. Different sources have Gerhard or Gunther.

[kraut]

I'm working on a statistics of German Rallye Championship from early Seventies until now. I know, that in this part of the forum I can find the absolute experts.

So I would be thankful to have an answer on the following open issues

1971:
Top 10 of: Stuttgart-Lyon-Charbonnieres, Nordland, Wiesbaden

1972 First names:
- Winner Harz-Winter: Walter Struckmann/ ? Bühring
- 3rd Ostmark: ? Löw / Jürgen Illig
- 3rd Bavaria: Peter Brink / ? Peter

1973:
Date of Rallye Hubertus

1977 First names:
- Rallye Baltic: Winner Jan Mortensen / E. ? Petersen
- Rallye Baltic: 3rd Egon Svanholt / A. ? Svanholt

1979:
Date of Rallye Trifels

1984 First Name:
Reichsstadt-Rallye Esslingen: 2nd Jean-Pierre Balmer / ? Indermühle

1991:
Hunsrück: Result of 2nd to 10 th
I would be glad, if someone could help me.

[kraut]

Thanks a lot guys!

One more from 1983; does anybody know the first name of Warmbold's co-driver Kischkel at Acropolis. Different sources have Gerhard or Gunther.

Hello Kaps,
His name is Gerhard. Sometimes he has been named in the short form 'Gerd'

[Kaps]

Hello kraut & thanks!

[Giorgio]

I'm working on a statistics of German Rallye Championship from early Seventies until now. I know, that in this part of the forum I can find the absolute experts.

So I would be thankful to have an answer on the following open issues

1971:
Top 10 of: Stuttgart-Lyon-Charbonnieres, Nordland, Wiesbaden

1972 First names:
- Winner Harz-Winter: Walter Struckmann/ ? Bühring
- 3rd Ostmark: ? Löw / Jürgen Illig
- 3rd Bavaria: Peter Brink / ? Peter

1973:
Date of Rallye Hubertus

1977 First names:
- Rallye Baltic: Winner Jan Mortensen / E. ? Petersen
- Rallye Baltic: 3rd Egon Svanholt / A. ? Svanholt

1979:
Date of Rallye Trifels

1984 First Name:
Reichsstadt-Rallye Esslingen: 2nd Jean-Pierre Balmer / ? Indermühle

1991:
Hunsrück: Result of 2nd to 10 th
I would be glad, if someone could help me.

I have:

13 ottobre 1973 - Rally Hubertus

Jean-Pierre Balmer - Denis Indermuhle

Best regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

4 luglio 1991 - Hunsruck Rally
2. Joachim Kleint - Schleicher (Lancia Delta Integrale 16v)
3. Per Eklund - Jan Olof Bohlin (Lancia Delta Integrale 16v)

Giorgio

[kraut]

Mille grazie, Giorgio!

[jrally]

I'm working on a statistics of German Rallye Championship from early Seventies until now. I know, that in this part of the forum I can find the absolute experts.

So I would be thankful to have an answer on the following open issues

1971:
Top 10 of: Stuttgart-Lyon-Charbonnieres, Nordland, Wiesbaden

1972 First names:
- Winner Harz-Winter: Walter Struckmann/ ? Bühring
- 3rd Ostmark: ? Löw / Jürgen Illig
- 3rd Bavaria: Peter Brink / ? Peter

1973:
Date of Rallye Hubertus

1977 First names:
- Rallye Baltic: Winner Jan Mortensen / E. ? Petersen
- Rallye Baltic: 3rd Egon Svanholt / A. ? Svanholt

1979:
Date of Rallye Trifels

1984 First Name:
Reichsstadt-Rallye Esslingen: 2nd Jean-Pierre Balmer / ? Indermühle

1991:
Hunsrück: Result of 2nd to 10 th
I would be glad, if someone could help me.

Hi Kraut,

Here what I could find !

1971
Lyon-Charbonnieres-Stuttgart

1-Jean Pierre Nicolas-Michel Vial Alpine Renault A 110-1600 S
2-Jean François Piot-Jim Porter Ford Escort RS 1600
3-Dieter Glemser-Klaus Kaiser Ford Escort RS 1600
4-Guy Chasseuil-Christian Baron Alfa Romeo GTAm
5-Jacques Henry-Etienne Grobot Alpine Renault A 110-1600
6-Jean Ragnotti-Pierre Thimonier Opel Kadett Rallye
7-Reinhard Hainbach-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
8-Achim Warmbold-Hans Christoph Mehmel Opel Kadett Rallye
9-Michel Pignard-Christine Gicanot Alpine Renault A 110-1600
10-Pierre Maublanc-Daniel Dreyfus BMW 2002 Ti

Rallye Nordland
1-Achim Warmbold-Hans Christoph Mehmel Opel Kadett Rallye
2-Reinhard Hainbach-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
3-Walter Rohrl-Herbert Marecek Ford Capri 2600 GT
4-Rainer Zweibaumer-Joachim Dorfler BMW 1600/2
5-???? Huthwelker-???? Prottung NSU TT
6-Morten Spiro-Per Brons BMW 2002 Ti
7-Erhard Oehm-???? Dotenbier Opel Kadett 1900
8-???? Denker-???? Trews ????????????
9-???? Syberg-???? Syberg Opel Kadett 1900
10- ???? Kruger-???? Oving ?????????????

Wiesbaden
1-Walter Rohrl-Herbert Marecek Ford Capri 2600 GT
2-Achim Warmbold-Hans Christoph Mehmel Opel Kadett Rallye
3-Peter Brink-Hans Joachim Brink Porsche 911 S
4-Rainer Zweibaumer-Joachim Dorfler BMW 1600/2
5-Horst Rack-Helmut Kohler Porsche 911 S
6-Vladimir Hubacek-Vojtech Rieger Alpine Renault A 110-1600
7-Rudolf Muller-Georg Hopf BMW 2002
8-Gerd Behret-Horst Blessinger Porsche 911 S
9-Hans Peter Kurrle-Dieter Brucklacher BMW 1600 Ti
10-Berthold Gruner-Walter Gronzinger Porsche 911 S

1973 - Rally Hubertus (13-14 October)

1978 (not 1977)
Jan Mortensen-Ib Petersen
Egon Svanholt-Anette Svanholt

1979 - Rallye Trifels (25-26 March)

1991
Rallye Hunstuck
1-Erwin Weber-Manfred Hiemer VW Golf Rallye G60
2-Jochi Kleint-Walter Schleicher Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
3-Per Eklund-Jan Olov Bohlin Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
4-Raimund Baumschlager-Ruben Zeltner VW Golf Rallye G60
5-Andy Wetzelsperger-Bernd Seiter Toyota Celica 2000 GT-Four
6-Chiel Bos-Ton Hillen Lancia Delta Integrale 16v
7-Jan van der Marel-Antoon Reurings Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4
8-Hermann Gassner-Siegfried Schrankl Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
9-Kenneth Backlund-Tord Andersson Mitsubishi Gallant VR-4
10-Stefan Schlesack-Jorg Ramme Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4

That's it
Regards
jorge

[jrally]

just one more thing

1972
Volker Low-Jurgen Illig

and in Bavaria I have Peter Brink-Hans Joachim Brink

regards
jorge

[kraut]

just one more thing

1972
Volker Low-Jurgen Illig

and in Bavaria I have Peter Brink-Hans Joachim Brink

regards
jorge

Jorge! It' amazing, what you can contribute. Thank you very much for this.
For the answer above I did some research on my own.
I found out, that the first name of Löw is Folker, a first name, that is not very common in Germany, but it is a first name, that can be used.

One thing I noticed during my research is, that in the homepage of Rallye Deutschland 1992 Droogmans is on third place. In Tjeerd's database Droogmans is disqualified.

As I know, how efficient Tjeerd is working, I believe in his source. Does anyone remember the background of this disqualification.

[Jarek Z]

Does anybody know the total distance and special stages distance of 1997 Rally Piancavallo, a second round of European Rally Championship 1997?

[Giorgio]

Does anybody know the total distance and special stages distance of 1997 Rally Piancavallo, a second round of European Rally Championship 1997?

1 maggio 1997 - 18° Rally di Piancavallo
total distance: km. 989

Regards

Giorgio

[Jarek Z]

Thank you. And distance of the special stages?

[kraut]

One thing I noticed during my research is, that in the homepage of Rallye Deutschland 1992 Droogmans is on third place. In Tjeerd's database Droogmans is disqualified.

As I know, how efficient Tjeerd is working, I believe in his source. Does anyone remember the background of this disqualification.

I've found it out myself. After the rally investigation concering fuel had been made. For Droogmans a too high lead content had been measured. So weeks after the event he had been disqualified.

It is quite embarrassing, that in a privately organised database the result is correct and on the official homepage of a WRC-organiser a wrong result is published.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows the results (top 3) ?


31 gennaio 1981 - Rally Kalkberg
6 marzo 1981 - Rally Westfalen Lippenfarht
14 marzo 1981 - Sachs Rally Unterfranken
21 marzo 1981 - Rally Hinterland
11 aprile 1981 - Rally Lahn
25 aprile 1981 - Vogelsberg "Jubiläums" Rally
1 maggio 1981 - Lubeck Rally
9 maggio 1981 - Rally Ulm
23 maggio 1981 - Rally Schinderhannes
6 giugno 1981 - Rally Wolfsburg - Berlin
26 giugno 1981 - Valvoline Rheinland-Pfalz Rally

Very thanks

Giorgio

[jrally]

Kraut, by any chance, do you know these results ?

1970
Trifels (form 6th to 10th)
Hugenotten (2-10)
Bavaria - cars of 3th Muhleck, 4th Zweibaumer, 9th Franik and 10th Hainbach


1971
Sachs Winter - co-drivers of 7th Ottensmann and 10th Rosenberger
Nordland - cars of 8th Denker and 10th Kruger

1973
Hubertus (9-10)

Thanks in advance
Best regards
jorge

[ReWind]

A feast for rally statisticians is http://www.bilhistorie.no/sport2/.
There you'll find results from Norwegian drivers and non-Norwegian drivers sorted alphabetically.

[RiN]

If you want more norwegian results, maybe you can find something interesting at my recently introduced site http://home.hebb.no/rin . For the time beeing the site is very amateurish, but it will have to do for now. Hopefully it will appear more proffessional when I get some help....

RiN

[jaybond]

Hi guys,


Out of curiosity, just how the Ford RS200 Evo would fare against Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo & Lancia Delta S4?

I'm also quite suprised to see that the 600+ bhp RS200 Evo doesn't have much wings compared to the similarly powerful Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo?
Is it stable enough?

http://automobile.2405.com/automobile_gallery/Ford/RS200_EVO/3_rs200evo_2405.jpg

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.php?imagenum=1&carnum=610

[jrally]

Does anyone knows the reasons of retirements in Acropolis 2005 of Jaan Molder Jr and Ricardo Triviño ?

Thanks in advance
Regards
jorge

[FAL]

Out of curiosity, just how the Ford RS200 Evo would fare against Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo & Lancia Delta S4?


No one can ever know. (Rallycross is not a real comparison with rallying).
Like the Metro 6R4, the RS200 was delayed and Ford, like Austin Rover, found when they started rallying it at world level they had underestimated where Peugeot and Lancia would be in development by then. Conversely, Peugeot and Lancia were further down the road to getting the ultimate development and thus had less to come. Many think the RS200 Evo would have dominated Group B rallying. The Metro 6R4 never would have done without a complete re-homologation of another 200 cars along the lines of the Will Gollop turbo rallycross Metro. Its lack of turbos meant Evolution would not have helped it. As for Audi, many feel they never would have really "got it together" and had missed their chance. Others, however, believe a front-engined car fully sorted with all the right bits would have been the best. When Pentti expesses that view, as he has on this forum, we should all listen.

[Kaps]

At 1984 RAC McRae-Nicholson & Fisher-Frazer were in the Opel Mantas entered by GM Dealersport.
I wonder, did that had anything to do with the works Opel Euro Team (like, for example, Nissan/DT Dobie entries at Safari), or was it a separate, private entry?

[FAL]

The UK GM operations were always dealer funded to a greater or lesser degree. That included the DTV Chevette programme. Moreover, support for particular drivers can be linked to Vauxhall/Opel dealer involvement (John Cleland in racing, quite apart from rallying). Laterly this funding was inadequate and additional sponsors were associated.
"Following the money" is always difficult. I can't be sure there was no financial input from the main Opel team in Russelheim but I doubt it. However, you also need to remember the (British) team manager of the Opel team in Russelheim ended up in jail for financial irregularities......

[FAL]

Russel Brookes was also in a GM Dealersport Manta on the 84 RAC. His carried Andrews sponsorship, McRae's AC Delco (the GM spare parts operation) and Fisher's Shell, confirming additional money was having to be found to run the cars at all. I'm not sure whether Fisher's car was built in Ireland by Sydney Meeke or in England with the other two but all three were under the GM Dealersport service "umbrella" at that time. Their results were claimed by GM UK but reality was the UK GM HQ operation (making Vauxhalls not Opels) was not putting its hand in its pocket to fund them. Once the team was using Vauxhall Astras in GpA (a car built in the UK) things may have been different.

[Kaps]

Thanks very much FAL.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....

Rally Lyon – Charbonnières
1949 ???? Blondel - ???? Monestier
1949 J.???? Gobba – J.???? Durand
1949 ???? Trolliet - ???? Chatillon
1950 Marc Gignoux - ???? Ugnon
1950 ???? Benmussa - ???? Joux
1951 Gaston Gautruche - ???? Girier
1952 Noel Pouderoux - ???? Quincieu
1953 ???? Peignaux - ???? Jacquin
1953 Claude Storez - L.???? Storez
1953 René Cotton - ???? Letort
1954 Marcel Gacon - ???? Arcan
1954 ???? Matussière - ???? Lemasson
1955 Georges Houel - ???? Pilliet
1955 ???? Galtier - ???? Parizot
1956 ???? Storr - Mme???? Gillestre
1956 René Cotton - ???? Leclère
1957 Robert Gentilini - ???? Chevrier
1957 ???? Aumas – ???? Grandt
1957 ???? Schild – Lillie Aumas
1976 Alain Serpaggi - ???? Andreanni
1979 Bernard Beguin - ???? ????


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Carles Bosch 2]

Someone knows.....

Rally Lyon – Charbonnières
1949 ???? Blondel - ???? Monestier
1949 J.???? Gobba – J.???? Durand
1949 ???? Trolliet - ???? Chatillon
1950 Marc Gignoux - ???? Ugnon
1950 ???? Benmussa - ???? Joux
1951 Gaston Gautruche - ???? Girier
1952 Noel Pouderoux - ???? Quincieu
1953 ???? Peignaux - ???? Jacquin
1953 Claude Storez - L.???? Storez
1953 René Cotton - ???? Letort
1954 Marcel Gacon - ???? Arcan
1954 ???? Matussière - ???? Lemasson
1955 Georges Houel - ???? Pilliet
1955 ???? Galtier - ???? Parizot
1956 ???? Storr - Mme???? Gillestre
1956 René Cotton - ???? Leclère
1957 Robert Gentilini - ???? Chevrier
1957 ???? Aumas – ???? Grandt
1957 ???? Schild – Lillie Aumas
1976 Alain Serpaggi - ???? Andreanni
1979 Bernard Beguin - ???? ????


Thanks in advance

Giorgio


Only a few:

- J.??? Durand: Back in those years in french rallying there was a chap called André Durand around... but I don't know for sure if is the same J. Durand
- Girier: Raymond
- Jacquin: Roger
- L.??? Storez: Léon
- Marcel Gacon: I have A. Gacon in my database. Is the same chap?
- Arcan: Henri
- Storr: Guy
- Leclère: J.
- Aumas: Jean-Pierre


Carles.

[Giorgio]

Only a few:

- Marcel Gacon: I have A. Gacon in my database. Is the same chap?

Carles.

Is Marcel Gacon with Henri Arcan!

Thank you Carles!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....

Circuit des Ardennes
1954 ???? Barbier - ???? Bianchi
1954 ???? van de Kaart - ???? Dachelet
1954 ???? Evrard - ???? Collignon
1954 ???? Deisser - ???? Teirlinck
1954 ???? Grisay - ???? van Hove
1954 ???? Gosselin - ???? Gosselin
1963 Louis Chardin - ???? Pasquier
1963 P.???? Duperray - G.???? Duperray
1963 ???? Depaquit - ???? Avril
1964 Jean François Piot - ???? Vanson
1964 ???? Mordel - ???? Barbara
1964 ???? Jitay - ???? Noiret
1964 Louis Chardin - ???? Depalnit
1964 ???? Delaine - ???? Veron
1974 Willy Plas - ???? Maes
1975 ???? Engels - ???? du Bulde

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....

Rally d'Antibes
1970 ???? Richard - ???? Guillot
1972 Michel Saliba - ???? Ryder
1974 Jean Louis Clarr - ???? Sofil
1974 ???? Rouvier - ???? Lemoing
1975 Christian Lunel - ???? Giordanella
1976 Christian Lunel - ???? Roux
1977 Michèle Mouton - ???? ????
1979 Alain Cudini - ???? Bourgoise

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[dkone]

Hi!

Maybe someone here can help me. I am searching for start lists and/or results of the following events:
1986 Manx Rally
1985 Hankki Rally
1985 Boucles de Spa

Thanks in advance!

Daniel

[Martin Liddle]

Maybe someone here can help me. I am searching for start lists and/or results of the following events:
1986 Manx Rally


I should have results for the 1986 Manx; what do you want to know?

[dkone]

Hi Martin,

thanks for your post. I am looking for a list of the Group B (Car, Driver, Codriver, maybe team) cars, which entered the event plus their result or reason for retirement.

Thanks for helping me.
Daniel

[Martin Liddle]

I am looking for a list of the Group B (Car, Driver, Codriver, maybe team) cars, which entered the event plus their result or reason for retirement.


Tudor Webasto Manx Rally - September 10-13th 1986

Entries in class B12

No Crew Car Total Position (Class Overall)
1 Tony Pond/Rob Arthur -MG Metro 6R4 - 3:18:01 1 1
3 Jimmy McRae/Ian Grindrod - MG Metro 6R4 - Cam belt SS21
4 Mark Lovell/Roger Freeman - Ford RS200 - 3:21:28 3 3
5 Russell Brookes/Mike Broad - Opel Manta 400 - 3:24:43 5 5
6 Billy Coleman/Ronan Morgan - MG Metro 6R4 - Mechanical SS13-14
7 Harald Demuth/Emilio Radaelli - Audi Quattro A2 - Gearbox SS5
8 Mikael Sundstrom/Voitto Silander - Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 - 3:24:15 4 4
9 David Llewellin/Phil Short - MG Metro 6R4 - 3:20:31 2 2
10 Austin McHale/Christy Farrell - Opel Manta 400 - 3:30:13 6 6
12 Mike Stuart/Brian Rainbow - MG Metro 6R4 - Transmission SS4
17 Harri Toivonen/Neil Wilson - MG Metro 6R4 - Mechanical SS11
21 Cyril Bolton/Derek Ervine - MG Metro 6R4 - 3:31:07 7 7
22 Simon Davison/Bobby Willis - Nissan 240RS - 3:41:50 8 8
26 J.C. Barnes/Andrew Lees - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus 3:50:51 9 10
28 Brett Martin/Kenneth Mitchell - Nissan 240RS - Mechanical SS26
30 Jukka Karjalainen/Timo Lappalainen - Nissan 240RS - Mechanical SA6
32 Nick Starkey/John Peckham - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus - Mechanical SS20
42 James Simson/Mike Vokes - Talbot Sunbeam Lotus - Steering rack SS1

[dkone]

Martin,

thanks a lot for you help. This is exactly what I was looking for.

Cheers,
Daniel

[jrally]

Although one day later I would like to wish Janusz a happy birthday for his 50th anniversary and wish him ALL THE BEST and thank him for being one of the main contributors to this thread !

Happy birthday Janusz !!! (I know that you probably is in the Polski Rally)

best regards
jorge

[Giorgio]

Someone knows....

1 marzo 1932
Great Britain

1° RAC Rally
Start: London, Bath, Norwich, Edinburgh, etc.
Finish: Torquay

km. 1900
national rally

cars over 1100 cc
1. Col. A???? H???? Loughborough (Lanchester 2504 cc)
2. J???? Mercer (Daimler 4018 cc)
3. G???? F???? Dennison (Riley 1633 cc)

cars under 1100 cc
1. Victor E???? Leverett (Riley)
2. R???? St. G???? Riley (Riley)
3. G???? H???? Strong (Standard)

first edition - 367 entries - 342 starters - 25 non-starters - 308 classified

source: Magazine Autocar, London 1932


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[januszsz]

Although one day later I would like to wish Janusz a happy birthday for his 50th anniversary and wish him ALL THE BEST and thank him for being one of the main contributors to this thread !

Happy birthday Janusz !!! (I know that you probably is in the Polski Rally)

best regards
jorge

Thank you Jorge for greetings and good words!
Yes, indeed I was following the rally (what a wonderful weather it was! and an interesting competition, too). Then on Monday I had an 8 hours long meeting concerning my job, so I was disconnected from the net for 5 consecutive days and couldn't response earlier.
Best regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

Happy birthday janusz, even if I'm a few days late, but you know what they say, better late than never...

[Kaps]

I have some questions which are sort of history, even tho it's not the results that I'm after, but some info on the deaths of some past drivers.
Does anybody know what happened to Mikael Sundstrom (he died at 2001 at the age of 44)? Was it an rally accident, traffic accident or...?

The same for Jorge Recalde?

Finally, Lars-Erik Torph. I seem to remember that he lost his life at 1989 Monte Carlo, but as a spectator. I think it was in that horror-crash of Alex Fiorio, who went off the cliff and straight thru a group of people in the process, with poor Lars-Erik beeing among them. Is that correct?

[FAL]

I believe the 1932 "RAC" Rally was actually titled the Torquay Rally and became the RAC rally in 1933. I'm afraid I don't have the books that cover that period and it's a bit before my time! Also the crews' names from then are not names familiar in other forms of motor sport.

It is correct Lars-Erik Torph was killed as a spectator on the Monte Carlo Rally (after retiring from the event I think). He was a sensation on the 84 RAC in a private GpA Ascona and I expected to see him straight into a top drive but he never seemed to get quite the right deal. I should know the fate of the others but I cannot recall it.
Monte

[januszsz]

I have some questions which are sort of history, even tho it's not the results that I'm after, but some info on the deaths of some past drivers.
Does anybody know what happened to Mikael Sundstrom (he died at 2001 at the age of 44)? Was it an rally accident, traffic accident or...?

The same for Jorge Recalde?

Finally, Lars-Erik Torph. I seem to remember that he lost his life at 1989 Monte Carlo, but as a spectator. I think it was in that horror-crash of Alex Fiorio, who went off the cliff and straight thru a group of people in the process, with poor Lars-Erik beeing among them. Is that correct?

About LE Torph you are right. Concerning Sundström he died at home - probably it was heart attack and Recalde died of heart attack too during Villa Dolores Rally while he was second overall. Howether it was not on the stage he collapsed in his motorhome.
Regards
Janusz

[Kaps]

Thanks FAL & janusz!

[Giorgio]

Someone knows......

14-18 marzo 1933
Great Britain

2° RAC Rally
Start: Bath, Buxton, Glasgow, Harrogate, Leamington, Liverpool, London, Newcastle, Norwich
Finish: Hastings

km. 1609
international rally

class 1 cars over 16 hp
1. T???? D???? Wynn Weston (Rover Speed 20 6c 2565 cc)
2. Donald Healey (Invicta 4467 cc)
3. K???? Hutchison (Ford 3622 cc)

class 2 cars over 10 hp and up to 16 hp
1. Miss Kitty Brunell (AC)
2. C???? M???? Anthony (Aston Martin)
3. M???? C???? Wilks (Rover)

class 3 cars up to 10 hp
1. George Dennison (Riley)
2. F???? R???? G???? Spikins (Singer)
3. F???? C???? Rolfe (Singer)


source: Magazine Autocar, London 1933

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[dario]

I have some questions which are sort of history, even tho it's not the results that I'm after, but some info on the deaths of some past drivers.
Does anybody know what happened to Mikael Sundstrom (he died at 2001 at the age of 44)? Was it an rally accident, traffic accident or...?

The same for Jorge Recalde?

Finally, Lars-Erik Torph. I seem to remember that he lost his life at 1989 Monte Carlo, but as a spectator. I think it was in that horror-crash of Alex Fiorio, who went off the cliff and straight thru a group of people in the process, with poor Lars-Erik beeing among them. Is that correct?

Mikael Sundstrom died of cancer 23 January 2001
Regards
Dario

[Josti]

1985 Boucles de Spa



These are results from de Boucles de Spa of 1985. These are main entries and results. As you can see in results, a lot of cars are unindentified.

Entries:

1. Harald Demuth - Audi Quattro A2

2. Björn Waldegaard - Audi Quattro A2

3. Per Eklund - Toyota Corolla GT

4. Pentti Airikkala - Nissan 240RS

5. Patrick Snijers - Lancia Rally 037

6. Robert Droogmans - Porsche 911 SC

7. Marc Duez - Mazda RX7

8. Guy Colsoul - Opel Manta 400

9. Jean-Claude Dumond - Porsche 911 SC

10.TH. Reginster - Porsche 911 SC

11.Vandermaese - Opel Ascona 400

12.Laret - Opel Ascona

14.Dirk Vermeersch - Toyota Corolla GT

16.Gaby Goudezeune - Alfa Romeo GTV6

17.Dumond - Nissan 240RS

19.Svatopluk Kvaizar - Skoda 130L

20.Ladislav Krecek - Skoda 130L

25.Gregoire de Mevius - Talbot Samba Rallye

31.Bernard Munster - Audi 80 Quattro

33.Jacky Dortu - Fiat Ritmo Abarth

34.Klaus Fritzinger - Toyota Corolla GT

65.Michel Dumoulin - Ford Escort RS


Results:

1. Björn Waldegaard - Audi Quattro A2

2. Marc Duez - Mazda RX7

3. Bernard Munster - Audi 80 Quattro

4. Ladislav Krecek - Skoda 130L

5. Dirk Vermeersch - Toyota Corolla GT

6. Vandermaese - Opel Ascona 400

7. Klaus Fritzinger - Toyota Corolla GT

8. Svatopluk Kvaizar - Skoda 130L

9. Gregoire De Mevius - Talbot Samba Rallye

10.Jacky Dortu - Fiat Ritmo Abarth

11.TH. Reginster - Porsche 911 SC

12.Close - ?

13.Lurquin - ?

14.Bastin - ?

15.Lietaer - ?

16.Chaballe - ?

17.Lambert - ?

18.Reusch - ?

19.Premont - ?

20.Bouhy - ?

[Kaps]

Mikael Sundstrom died of cancer 23 January 2001
Regards
Dario

Thanks Dario!

[Juha]

Circuit des Ardennes
1974 Willy Plas - ???? Maes
Christian Maes

[Juha]

These are results from de Boucles de Spa of 1985. These are main entries and results. As you can see in results, a lot of cars are unindentified.
...

There are a few errors in it, I have corrected them and added codrivers:

1. Harald Demuth/Willy Lux - Audi Quattro A2

2. Björn Waldegaard/Thorzelius - Audi Quattro A2

3. Per Eklund/ - Toyota Corolla GT

4. Pentti Airikkala/Neil Wilson? - Nissan 240RS

5. Patrick Snijers/Dany Colebunders - Lancia Rally 037

6. Robert Droogmans/Ronny Joosten - Porsche 911 SC

7. Marc Duez/Gilles Thimonier - Mazda RX7

8. Guy Colsoul/Alain Lopes - Opel Manta 400

9. Jean-Louis Dumont/Lambert Peeters? - Porsche 911 SC

10.Thierry Reginster/Marc Delmelle - Porsche 911 SC

11.Vandermaesen/Julien Aerts - Opel Ascona 400

12.Lareppe/ - Opel Ascona

14.Dirk Vermeersch/Daniel De Canck - Toyota Corolla GT

16.Gaby Goudezeune/ - Alfa Romeo GTV6

17.Jean-Louis Dumont's car driven by Flory Roothaert/ - Nissan 240RS

19.Svatopluk Kvaizar/Jiri Janecek - Skoda 130L

20.Ladislav Krecek/Borivoj Motl - Skoda 130L

25.Gregoire de Mevius/de Rochelée - Talbot Samba Rallye

31.Bernard Munster/Yves Bozet - Audi 80 Quattro

33.Jacky Dortu/Simon - Fiat Ritmo Abarth

34.Klaus Fritzinger/Gartner - Toyota Corolla GT

65.Michel Dumoulin/ - Ford Escort RS


Results (24 finishers):

1. Björn Waldegaard / Thorzelius - Audi Quattro A2

2. Marc Duez / Gilles Thimonier - Mazda RX7

3. Bernard Munster / Yves Bozet - Audi 80 Quattro

4. Ladislav Krecek / Borivoj Motl - Skoda 130L

5. Dirk Vermeersch / Daniel De Canck - Toyota Corolla GT

6. Vandermaesen / Julien Aerts - Opel Ascona 400

7. Klaus Fritzinger / Gartner - Toyota Corolla GT

8. Svatopluk Kvaizar / Jiri Janecek - Skoda 130L

9. Gregoire De Mevius / de Rochelée - Talbot Samba Rallye

10.Jacky Dortu / Simon - Fiat Ritmo Abarth

11.Thierry Reginster / Marc Delmelle - Porsche 911 SC

12.Close / Bodarwe - Toyota Corolla GT

13.Lurquin / Boulanger - Toyota Corolla GT

14.Leon Bastin / Sougné - VW Golf GTI

15.Paul Lietaer / "rossi" - Talbot lotus

16.Chaballe / Leruet - Ford Escort

17.Lambert / Lambert - Toyota Corolla GT

18.Claudy Reusch / Oswald Backes - Toyota Corolla GT

19.Premont / Premont - Opel Manta

20.Bouhy / Franchi - Opel Ascona

21.Louis Mast / Dierckx - Toyota Corolla GT

22.Marquet / Marquet - Ford Escort

23.Nicolas / Morazzani - Renault 5 Alpine Turbo

24.Herman / vandevorst - Talbot Sunbeam TI

[Josti]

Thanks for the clear up Juha. Some cars I did not know the drivers of or visa versa. and I only knew a few codrivers. And yes it was the late Jean-Louis Dumont, not Jean-Claude.

[Juha]

There's also Jean-Michel Dumont, but that's his son.

In 85 Dumont drove the second Belga Porsche. The Nissan he drove in 83 was driven by Roothaert, and Jean-Louis was supposed to finetune the car, but they never got to do that. After his crash hisplace in the team was taken by Reginster from the Haspengouw on. The car he drove was a new bodyshell with the internals of the crashed car. The Gaban Porsche that Reginster drove before was then hired to Francis Vincent at Ypres, Guy Hendrickx (Bianch rally) and then driven by Pascal Gaban at the Condroz.

Here are the retirement reasons for Spa 85:
Demuth - eletrical problems
Snijers - ignition faillure
Airikka - transmission
Droogmans - crash
Colsoul - crash
Eklund - ignition faillure
Dumont - taken out of the rally by oganisers
Roothaert - crash

Demuth was leading by 20 minutes before his car let him down three stages before the end. Waldegard (who'd spent 15 minutes stuck in the snow) took over and finished six minutes ahead of Duez who had a lot of punctures.

[FAL]

Thanks Juha for reminding me of that year. Both Belga 911s in 85 were RAS Sport cars? Is that correct? I had forgotten who was in the Gaban car after Snijers moved to the 037 for 85. Jose Lareppe's Ascona was his new white GpA car wasn't it? (he was using his old Kadett GTE and then a dark red Manta in the National rounds wasn't he? Was Michel Dumoulin the quick young driver in a (dark blue) RS2000 (a Gp1 spec car re-homologated into GpB) or am I thinking of someone else?
I don't have any of the copies of Turbo I bought in Belgium at the time and I only did one of the Open Championship rounds in 85 (Wallonie - my only International event non-finish as a driver!).

[Juha]

Yes, both owned by RAS. They were then sold off to Marc Soulet. Reginster drove one of them in smaller rallies in the late 80s.

The Bastos Porsche (registerend UL 212, the same as the older Porsche in 83) was hired by Reginster for 85 sponsored by Alligator. Pascal Gaban drove another Porsche, DRL 970, in the national championship but I don't think it was a real work Porsche. Reginster used the car at Spa (11th), the national rally of Hannut (1st), Circuit des Ardennes (2nd), TAC rally (crash) and finished third at the Rally de Wallonie. Then RAS wanted them to drive their second car so the Gaban Porsche was then used by Pascal Gaban at the Haspengouw, he broke the gearbox. Francis Vincent (codriven by Willy Lux) hired it for Ypres and crashed it. Then Guy Hendrickx had it for the Bianchi (3rd). At the Condroz, Gaban retired. He did become national champion.

José Lareppe did use the white Ascona but I don't know what he used in national rallies.

The Spectacular blue Escort was Dumoulin who ran out of money during the season.

Who were you codriving? And in what car?

[FAL]

Thanks Juha! I was driving not co-driving, in an Escort very similar to the Dumoulin car, which is why I can judge how good he was - it was embarrassing to us how quick he went! When the helicopter supporting the Snijers Lancia brought down the telephone wires on one Wallonie stage and it was delayed, I got the chance to see his driving, as that stage had two laps and cars in front passed us entering their second lap when we were in the start queue about to start the stage.
You mention Guy Hendrickx - my service crew dashed to Charleroi from Namur (where we were staying in Simeon Delbruyere's hotel at Wepion) the day before Wallonie to get two new Michelins from him when we had a puncture in practice. He had done the RAC Rally the year before, as we had.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows the dates ? (day, month, year)


1965 - 12 Heures d'Huy
1972 - 1° Haspengouw Rally
1973 - 2° Haspengouw Rally
1974 - 3° Haspengouw Rally
1980 - 12 Heures de Tielt
1982 - TAC Rally
1983 - TAC Rally
1983 - Rally de Namur
1983 - Rally de Andenne
1984 - TAC Rally
1986 - 3° Rally de Wallonie
1987 - 4° Rally de Wallonie
1988 - Rally de Hannut
1988 - TAC Rally
1989 - 6° Rally de Wallonie
1990 - 7° Rally de Wallonie
1991 - 8° Rally de Wallonie
1992 - 9° Rally de Wallonie
1993 - 10° Rally de Wallonie
1994 - 11° Rally de Wallonie
1995 - 12° Rally de Wallonie
1996 - 13° Rally de Wallonie
1997 - 14° Rally de Wallonie
1998 - 15° Rally de Wallonie

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Juha]

1972 - 1° Haspengouw Rally
1973 - 2° Haspengouw Rally
1974 - 3° Haspengouw Rally
You've just chosen the only editions for which I don't have the dates. :D Wasn't the rally named "Omloop van Haspengouw" then? Because it was in 75-79 the name changed in 1980.
I'm still looking for the results from 72 and 74, those are the only years of which I'm missing the top 10 resultats (other stuff is welcome too).

1982 - TAC Rally, 4-5 april
1983 - TAC Rally, 16-17 april

1983 - Rally de Namur
Should be "Ronde du nouveau Namur"
23-24 april

1983 - Rally de Andenne
Should be "500 kilometres d'Andenne"
9-10 april

Namur and Andenne merged into the Rally de Wallonie.

1984 - TAC Rally, 14-15 april
1986 - 3° Rally de Wallonie, 30-31 may, 1 june
1987 - 4° Rally de Wallonie, 1-2 may
1988 - Rally de Hannut, 26-27 march
1988 - TAC Rally, 9-10 april
1989 - 6° Rally de Wallonie, 2-4 june

If you need any results, just ask. ;)

[FAL]

and to confirm one of those dates:

[Juha]

Did you finish 24th?

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, Juha!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

If someone is interested.....

Tour de Corse 1969
Retirements
Source: Auto Italiana 1969

Maublanc - Dreyfus (BMW 2002 TI) gear crash - (Ocana)
Heidi Utz - Margaret Lang (BMW 1600 TI) accident - (Guitera)
Springer - Miersch (BMW 2002 TI) accident - (Guitera)
Trautmann - Trautmann (Lancia Fulvia 1300 HF) breakage of the accelerator control - (Guitera)
Barbasio - Mannucci (Lancia Fulvia HF 1600) breakage carburettors control - (Bocognano)
Pinto - Santonacci (Alfa Romeo 2000) puncturing and front-wheel suspension breakage - (Guitera)
Greder - Murac (Opel Kadett) breakage of the differential gear (Col de la Bavella)
Munari - Davenport (Lancia Fulvia Spider FM) puncturing - (Kamiesh - Zonza)
Carello - Oberti (Fiat 125 S) accident
Henry - Stalder (Renault Alpine 1300) accident - (Col de Vergio)
Vinatier - Jacob (Alpine 1600) accident - (Talasani)
Swietlik - Couturier (NSU 1200 TT) accident - (Sartène)
Darniche - Demange (NSU 1200 TT) puncturing and front-wheel suspension breakage
Alesi - Brunet (NSU TTS) posterior-wheel suspension breakage
Emeric - Mahé (NSU TTS) front-wheel suspension breakage
Jacquemin - Vloeberg (Renault Gordini) accident
Andruet - Ecot (Renault Alpine 1600) accident
Haxhe - Delferrier (Daf 55) fuel pump
Rattazzi - Montezemolo (Fiat 125 S) motor oil leak (problems of the greasing)
Sola - Barletta (NSU 1200 TT) accident
Barailler - Fayel (Alfa Romeo 2000) clutch breakage
De Castelli - De Castelli (Mini Cooper S proto) accident
Chasseuil - Derolland (Porsche 911) accident
Mikkola - Palm (Ford Escort 2300 proto) alternator

[Giorgio]

Juha, for Haspengouw Rally i have:

1972 - Rudolf Moortgat - "Andy" (Ford Escort)
1974 - Willy Plas - Maes (Renault Gordini)

Best regards

Giorgio

[FAL]

Did you finish 24th?

I think it was 22nd (24th on Tour of Flanders 83 and 19th in 82).

Confirmation of dates of Wallonie 85 :

[FAL]

Just noticed that Wallonie 85 plate doesn't have the days and month on it! Can't recall another rally that didn't!

[Juha]

I think it was 22nd (24th on Tour of Flanders 83 and 19th in 82).

Confirmation of dates of Wallonie 85 :
It can't have been 22nd because that was Michel Luxen in a Corolla. ;) At the Tour of Flanders you were 21st.

[dkone]

Hi all,

sorry for the late reply, but thanks a lot for all your help with the Boucles de Spa 85 results.

Daniel

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......

7 aprile 2001
Belgium

Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Jalhay
Finish: Jalhay

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally cup - west - coeff. 5
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? (????)

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27 aprile 2002
Belgium

Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship
belgian rally championship - division two
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? (????)

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15-16 giugno 2002
Belgium

12 Heures de Braine le Comte
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship - division two
national rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? (????)

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19-20 ottobre 2002
Belgium

2° BW Rally
Start: Tubize, Bruxelles
Finish: Tubize

km. 202
groups N - A
championnat provincial du brabant et du hainaut
challenge saxo

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Juha]

I have all of those, I'll post them tonight. ;)

[Juha]

30-31/5/1997 - 14° Rally de Wallonie
15-16/5/1998 - 15° Rally de Wallonie

7 aprile 2001 - Rally des Hautes Fagnes
27 aprile 2002 - Rally des Hautes Fagnes
They were both cancelled. I can't find anything on the calendars or in my books. Because of it, the Saxo challenge lacked 1 rally. So they decided to do the BW rally.

2° BW Rally
Start: Tubize (not at Brussels)
Finish: Tubize

km. 202
They didn't use the group A/N system so no need to mention that.
Championnat provincial du Brabant et du Hainaut
Challenge saxo

Results:
1. 00:56:26 Xavier BOUCHE - Pierre BOURGUIGNON (Evo 7)
2. 00:56:54 Patrick FASTRE - Roger MISSAIRE (Audi Quattro)
3. 00:57:04 Olivier COLLARD - Bernard LION (Saxo kit car)
4. 00:58:21 Davy VANNESTE - Denis SQUEDIN (Saxo challenge)
5. 00:58:24 Stephane PETITJEAN - MOUTON
6. 00:58:29 Bernd CASIER - Frederic MICLOTTE
7. 00:58:39 Fabrice HAENTJENS - Johan JALET
8. 00:58:43 Dominique GENTEN - Yves SCHOTSMANS
9. 00:59:12 Gilles SCHAMMEL (lux) - Jean-Paul SCHAMMEL (lux)
10. 00:59:16 Thierry BRAGARD - Guy BURNIAT

Everyone from 4th place up to the 10th drove a Saxo.

The Challenge was won by Bragard that year, who had so many sponsors (150) that he didn't have enough space on his car to put everyone's sticker. :D

[Carles Bosch 2]

If someone is interested.....

Tour de Corse 1969
Retirements
Source: Auto Italiana 1969

Maublanc - Dreyfus (BMW 2002 TI) gear crash - (Ocana)
Heidi Utz - Margaret Lang (BMW 1600 TI) accident - (Guitera)
Springer - Miersch (BMW 2002 TI) accident - (Guitera)
Trautmann - Trautmann (Lancia Fulvia 1300 HF) breakage of the accelerator control - (Guitera)
Barbasio - Mannucci (Lancia Fulvia HF 1600) breakage carburettors control - (Bocognano)
Pinto - Santonacci (Alfa Romeo 2000) puncturing and front-wheel suspension breakage - (Guitera)
Greder - Murac (Opel Kadett) breakage of the differential gear (Col de la Bavella)
Munari - Davenport (Lancia Fulvia Spider FM) puncturing - (Kamiesh - Zonza)
Carello - Oberti (Fiat 125 S) accident
Henry - Stalder (Renault Alpine 1300) accident - (Col de Vergio)
Vinatier - Jacob (Alpine 1600) accident - (Talasani)
Swietlik - Couturier (NSU 1200 TT) accident - (Sartène)
Darniche - Demange (NSU 1200 TT) puncturing and front-wheel suspension breakage
Alesi - Brunet (NSU TTS) posterior-wheel suspension breakage
Emeric - Mahé (NSU TTS) front-wheel suspension breakage
Jacquemin - Vloeberg (Renault Gordini) accident
Andruet - Ecot (Renault Alpine 1600) accident
Haxhe - Delferrier (Daf 55) fuel pump
Rattazzi - Montezemolo (Fiat 125 S) motor oil leak (problems of the greasing)
Sola - Barletta (NSU 1200 TT) accident
Barailler - Fayel (Alfa Romeo 2000) clutch breakage
De Castelli - De Castelli (Mini Cooper S proto) accident
Chasseuil - Derolland (Porsche 911) accident
Mikkola - Palm (Ford Escort 2300 proto) alternator


Hi, Giorgio,

a few of these were not retirements:

- René & Claudine Trautmann, 18th o/a
- Sandro Munari & John Davenport, 13th o/a
- Jean Vinatier / Jean-François Jacob & Jean-Marie Jacquemin / Jacques Vloebergs, both finishers but no-classified (over time let @ the finish)
- Hannu Mikkola & Gunnar Palm, 16th o/a


Carles.

[Wim_Impreza]

@ Giorgio

15-16 giugno 2002
Belgium

12 Heures de Braine le Comte
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège

km. 149,7
groups N - A
belgian rally championship - division two
national rally

Results:
1. Jean-Marc Gaban - Guy Burniat (Porsche 911 RS) R12 in 1h32'24"
2. Timothy Van Parijs - Frédéric Miclotte (Mitsubishi Lancer Evo6) N4 +22"
3. Philippe Dewulf - Kris Botson (Toyota Celica Turbo 4WD) A8 +32"

[Giorgio]

Very thanks Juha and Wim_Impreza !

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Thank you, Carles for the precise information!

Giorgio

[Juha]

12 Heures de Braine le Comte
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège
The rally didn't start at Liège but at Braine le Comte. Liège is 120km away from there. :D

[Giorgio]

Thank you Juha!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......

7 aprile 2001
Belgium

Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Jalhay
Finish: Jalhay

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally cup - west - coeff. 5
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? (????)

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Someone knows .....


2 ottobre 1999
Belgium

?? Criterium Lucien Bianchi
Start: Beaumont
Finish: Beaumont

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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11 settembre 1999
Belgium

?? Tour des Flandres
Start: ?????
Finish: ?????

km. ???
groups N - A
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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17 aprile 1998
Belgium

?? Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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13 febbraio 1998
Belgium

?? Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km.
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 5
international rally

Results:
1. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Subaru Impreza WRC)
2. Patrick Snijers - ???? ???? (Ford Escort RS Cosworth)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[januszsz]

Hi, Giorgio,

a few of these were not retirements:

- René & Claudine Trautmann, 18th o/a
- Sandro Munari & John Davenport, 13th o/a
- Jean Vinatier / Jean-François Jacob & Jean-Marie Jacquemin / Jacques Vloebergs, both finishers but no-classified (over time let @ the finish)
- Hannu Mikkola & Gunnar Palm, 16th o/a


Carles.
Do you know Carles, who else was finisher but not classified. I had an information that 27 cars finished the rally but 22 were classified.
Regards
Janusz

[Juha]

7 aprile 2001, Belgium
Rally des Hautes Fagnes

I've already said it was cancelled. :D

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2-3 ottobre 1999
Belgium

30e Criterium Lucien Bianchi
Start: Beaumont
Finish: Beaumont

1. Kris Princen / Dany Colebunders - Renault Maxi Mégane
2. Pieter Tsjoen / Philippe Droeven - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6
3. Larry Cols / Yasmine Gérard - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 5
4. Dominique Jullien / Mohimont - Mitsubishi Carisma
5. Pascal Gaban / Eddy Chevaillier - Citroën Saxo kit car
6. Francis Leroy / Ellie Rasson - Citroën Saxo kit car
7. François Duval / Bruno Brissart (fr) - Citroën Saxo
8. Cédric Poncelet / Benoit Mahaut - Subaru Impreza
9. Fabrice Mikels / Pierre Bourguignon - Citroën Saxo
10. Eric Cunin / Pestiat - Opel Astra GSI

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11-12 settembre 1999
Belgium

40e Tour des Flandres
Start: Roeselare
Finish: Roeselare

Results:
1. Kris Princen / Dany Colebunders - Renault Maxi Mégane
2. Gaby Goudezeune / Filip Depelsemaeker - Subaru Impreza WRC
3. Pascal Gaban / Eddy Chevaillier - Citroën Saxo kit car
4. Pieter Tsjoen / Steven Vergalle - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 6
5. Matthias Viaene / Davie Meert - Mazda 323 GTR
6. Ries Huisman (nl) / Bart Van Riemsdijk (nl) - Ford Escort WRC
7. Pascal André / Eric Van Rillaer - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 5
8. Francis Leroy / Bernard Lion - Citroën Saxo kit car
9. Seys / Dominique Dooms - Renault Clio
10. Godfried Dekeyser / Patrick Dumortier - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 3

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11 aprile 1998
Belgium

13e Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Jalhay
Finish: Jalhay

Results:
1. Freddy Loix / SvenSmeets - Toyota Corolla WRC
2. Henrik Lundgaard / Freddy Pedersen - Toyota Celica GT4
3. Jean-Pierre Van de Wauwer / Jean Vanderschueren - Peugeot 306 Maxi
4. Gaby Goudezeune / Filip Depelsemaeker - Mazda 323 GTR
5. Kris Pincen / Lily Genten - Renault Mégane Maxi
6. Pascal Gaban / Eddy chevaillier - Citroën Saxo kit car
7. Hans Stacey (nl) / Daniël Sonck - Mitsubishi Carisma GT
8. David Loix / Cédric Pirotte - Renault Clio Maxi
9. Ries Huisman (nl) / Han Hoogendoorn (nl) - Ford Escort WRC
10. Arnaud Clause (lux) / Carlo Goeres (lux) - Opel Corsa GSI

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13-14 febbraio 1998
Belgium

41e Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

Results:
1. Gregoire de Mevius - Jean-Marc Fortin (Subaru Impreza WRC)
2. Patrick Snijers - Dany Colebunders (Ford Escort WRC)
3. Jean-Pierre Van de Wauwer / Jean Vanderschueren (Peugeot 306 Max)
4. Kris Pincen / Lily Genten - Renault Mégane Maxi
5. "Didi junior" / Pascal Lopes (Mitsubish Carisma GT)
6. Pascal Gaban / Eddy Chevallier (Citroën Saxo kit car)
7. Kurt Heckters / André Leyh (Mitsubishi Carisma GT)
8. Rainer Feltes / Zinnen (Ford Escort Cosworth)
9. Olivier Collard / Etienne Monseur (Citroën Saxo kit car)
10. David Loix / Cédric Pirotte (Renault Clio Maxi)

[Giorgio]

Very fast, Juha ! Thank you...

Best regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


7 novembre 1997
Belgium

?? Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship
international rally

Results:
1. Bruno Thiry - ???? ???? (Subaru Impreza WRC)
2. Freddy Loix - ???? ???? (Toyota Celica 4WD)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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30-31 maggio 1997
Belgium

14° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. ???? Verhoestraete - ???? de Cank (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. ???? Heckters - ???? Genten (Mitsubishi Lancer)
3. ???? van Woensel - ???? Davie Meert (Mitsubishi Lancer)

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28 marzo 1997
Belgium

?? Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 2
international rally

Results:
1. Bert de Jong - ???? ???? (Ford Escort RS Cosworth)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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15 febbraio 1997
Belgium

40° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 5
international rally

Results:
1. Renaud Verreydt - Jean-Marie Jamar (Toyota Celica GT4)
2. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Ford Escort Cosworth)
3. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Wim_Impreza]

30-31 maggio 1997
Belgium

14° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Laurent Verhoestraete - Daniël de Canck (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. Kurt Heckters - Lilly Genten (Mitsubishi Lancer)
3. Chris van Woensel - Davie Meert (Mitsubishi Lancer)

[Carles Bosch 2]

Do you know Carles, who else was finisher but not classified. I had an information that 27 cars finished the rally but 22 were classified.
Regards
Janusz


You're right, Janusz. The 5 teams finishers but not classified, were the following:

#2, 4277 GN 76, Jean-Marie Jacquemin / Jean-Jacques Vloebergs, Renault 8 Gordini, Group 1 (Class 1001-1300cc)
#5, Berman / Bertocci, Fiat 124, Group 1 (Class 1001-1300cc)
#18, Philippe Conso / Pierre Papazian, NSU 1200 TT, Groups 2&5 (Class 1001-1300cc)
#59, 4946 GN 76, Jean Vinatier / Jean-François Jacob, Alpine-Renault A110 1600 S, Groups 4&6 (Class 1301-1600cc)
#66, Pierre Di Barbazza / Antonini, Alpine-Renault A110, Groups 4&6 (CLass 1301-1600cc)


Carles.

[Juha]

8-9 novembre 1997
Belgium

24e Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 2
belgian rally championship
international rally

Results:
1. Bruno Thiry - Stephane Prevot (Subaru Impreza WRC)
2. Freddy Loix - Sven Smeets (Toyota Celica 4WD)
3. Patrick Snijers - Dany Colebunders (Ford Escort WRC)

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30-31 maggio 1997
Belgium

14° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Laurent Verhoestraete - Daniël de Cank (Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4)
2. Kurt Heckters - Lily Genten (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)
3. Chris van Woensel - Davie Meert (Mitsubishi Lancer evo 3)

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28 marzo 1997
Belgium

47e Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 2
international rally

Results:
1. Bert de Jong - Ton Hillen (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Laurent Verhoestraete - Daniël de Cank (Ford Sierra Cosworth 4x4)
3. Hans Stacey - Mark van den Brand (Ford Escort Cosworth

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14-15 febbraio 1997
Belgium

40° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. 5
international rally

Results:
1. Renaud Verreydt - Jean-Manuel Jamar (Toyota Celica GT4)
2. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Ford Escort Cosworth)
3. Gregoire de Mevius - Jean-Marc Fortin (Ford Escort Cosworth)

It's Jean-Manuel Jamar, and not Jean-Marie or Jean-Marc is it's being mentioned everywhere.

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, Juha!

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


10 novembre 1996
Belgium

23° Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. Freddy Loix - ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
2. Renaud Verreydt - ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
3. Bruno Thiry - ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)

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?? / ?? / 1996 - 13° Rally de Wallonie

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29 marzo 1996
Belgium

46° Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)
3. Bernard Munster - ???? ???? (Renault Clio Maxi)

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?? / ?? / 1995 - 45° Circuit des Ardennes

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23 febbraio 1996
Belgium

39° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Freddy Loix - ???? ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
3. Renaud Verreydt - ???? ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)

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?? / ?? / 1995 - 38° Boucles de Spa

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Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Dalmi]

I need some results concerning the Porsche 911 R or 911 S in spanish championship during the period 1967-1973. Does somebody knows -perhaps you Carles- wich were the wins of this cars in the spanish championship with Palomo, Doncel, Gargallo, Ruiz-Giménez... drivers

Thanks in advance

[ettelbruck]

Someone knows.......



23 febbraio 1996
Belgium

39° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Freddy Loix - ???? ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
3. Renaud Verreydt - ???? ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)

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?? / ?? / 1995 - 38° Boucles de Spa

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Thanks in advance

Giorgio

38 Boucles de Spa 17-19.2.1995

39 Boucles de Spa 24-25.2.1996
276,84km

co-drivers:
for de Mevius: Jean-Marc Fortin
Loix: Sven Smeets
Verreydt: Jean-Manuel Jamar

unforgettable Spa with snow!

[jrally]

I need some results concerning the Porsche 911 R or 911 S in spanish championship during the period 1967-1973. Does somebody knows -perhaps you Carles- wich were the wins of this cars in the spanish championship with Palomo, Doncel, Gargallo, Ruiz-Giménez... drivers

Thanks in advance

Here those I know, Dalmi !

1967
Invierno - Juan Fernandez (911 S)
Costa Brava - Juan Fernandez-Jose Maria Fernandez (911 S)
Oviedo - Ben heiderich-Ricardo Muñoz (911)
Gerona - Juan Fernandez-Cesar Nattalicio (911 S)


1968
Orense - Eladio Doncel-Carlos Llagostera (Porsche 911 S)
España - Pauli Toivonen-Matti Tiukkanen (911 T)
Firestone - Eladio Doncel-Jaime Parejo (porsche 911 R)
Costa del Sol - Juan Fernandez-L. Madrazo (911 R)

1969
Costa Brava - Estanislao Reverter-Julio Leal (911 R)
Luis de Baviera - Jaime Lazcano-Ricardo Muñoz (911 R)
Orense - José Maria Palomo-Ramón Serra (911 R)
Firestone - Marc Etchebers-Enrique de Sauto (911 S)
2000 Viratjes - José Maria Palomo-José Adell (911 R)

1970
Vasco Navarro - Marc Etchebers-P. Claustress (911 T)
Luis de Baviera - Estanislao Reverter-Julio Leal (911 R)
Orense - Albrto Ruiz-Gimenez - Rafael Castañeda (911 S)
Oviedo - Eladio Doncel-José Antonio Conde (911 S)
Barcelona-Andorra - Eladio Doncel-Juan Rasilla (911 S)
Firestone - Eladio Doncel-Ricardo Antolin (911 S)
Costa del Sol - José Manuel Lencina-J. Mato (911 S)

1971
Fallas - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Javier Bueno (911 S)
Costa Brava - José Manuel Lencina-A. Gutierrez (911 S)
Luis de Baviera - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Javier Bueno (911 S)
Salmón - José Manuel Lencina-Antonio Mantecon (911 S)
500 Km Nocturnos - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Javier Bueno (911 S)
Rioja - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Javier Bueno (911 S)
Orense - Eladio Doncel-Juan Antonio Conde (911 S)
Cid - Eladio Doncel-Gutierrez (911 S)
Rias Bajas - Eladio Doncel-Juan Antonio Conde (911 S)
Bosch - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Ricardo Muñoz (911 S)
Oviedo - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Juan António Conde (911 S)
Sherry - Julio Gargallo-Jaime Ramon (914/6)
Firestone - Jean Egretaud-Enrique de Sauto (911 S)
Barcelona-Andorra - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - 'Artemi' (911 S)
2000 Viratjes - Jean Egretaud-Jean Boissonet (911 S)
Costa del Sol - Alberto Ruiz-Gimenez - Juan Antonio Conde (911 S)

1972
Lana - Eladio Doncel-Antonio Mantecon (911 S)
Vasco Navarro - Eladio Doncel-Daniel Ferrater (911 S)
Rioja - Eladio Doncel-Antonio Mantecon (911 S)
Bosch - Julio Gargallo-Jaime Ramon (911 S 2.5)
Sherry-José Manuel Lencina-'Picchi' (911 S)
Restinga - Marc Etchebers-Christine Etchebers (911 S)

1973
Montseny-Guillerias - Juan Aleix-S. Marginet (911 S)
Baix Ebre - Ramon 'Tito' Serra-Jorge Viñas (911 S)

Hope it helps
Regards
jorge

[Carles Bosch 2]

I need some results concerning the Porsche 911 R or 911 S in spanish championship during the period 1967-1973. Does somebody knows -perhaps you Carles- wich were the wins of this cars in the spanish championship with Palomo, Doncel, Gargallo, Ruiz-Giménez... drivers

Thanks in advance


I've found a few, 'though there were more, for sure:

'67, 15º Rallye Costa Brava, Joan & Josep Mª Fernández (911)

'68, 2º Rallye de Orense, Eladio Doncel & Carlos Llagostera (911S)
'68, 16º Rallye de España, Pauli Toivonen & Urpo Vihervaara (911T)
'68, 2º Rallye Firestone, Eladio Doncel & Jaime Parejo (911S)
'68, 3er Rallye Costa del Sol, Joan Fernández & "Artemi" -Artemio Eche- (911R)

'69, 17º Rallye Costa Brava, Estanislao Reverter & Julio Leal (911R)
'69, 3er Rallye de Orense, José Mª Palomo & R. Serra (911R)
'69, 7º Rallye Rias Bajas, José Mª Palomo & ¿Pepito Adell?(911R)
'69, 3er rallye Firestone, Marc Etchebers & Enrique Sauto (911S)
'69, 11º Rallye 2000 Virajes, José Mª Palomo & ¿Pepito Adell? (911R)

'70, 11º Rallye Vasco-Navarro, Marc Etchebers & XX (911T)
'70, Critérium Luis de Baviera, Estanislao Reverter & Julio Leal (911R)
'70, 4º Rallye de Orense, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & R. Castañeda (911S)
'70, 2º Rallye del Sherry, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & R. Castañeda (911S)
'70, 12º Rallye 2000 Virajes, Eladio Doncel & Juan Carlos García de la Rasilla (911S)
'70, 6º Rallye Barcelona-Andorra, Eladio Doncel & Juan Carlos Garcia de la Rasilla (911S)
'70, 4º Rallye Firestone, Eladio Doncel & Ricardo Antolín (911S)
'70, 5º Rallye Costa del Sol, José Manuel Lencina & J. Mato (911S)

'71, 19º Rallye Costa Brava, José Manuel Lencina & A. Gutiérrez (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye de Orense, Eladio Doncel & Juan A. Conde (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye Bosch, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & Ricardo Muñoz (911S)
'71, 8º Rallye Premio Ciudad de Oviedo, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & Juan A. Conde (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye Firestone, Jean Égretaud & Enrique Sauto (911S ¿2.2?)
'71, 7º Rallye Barcelona-Andorra, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & "Artemi" -Artemio Eche- (911S)
'71, 13er Rallye 2000 Virajes, Jean Égretaud & Enrique Sauto (911S 2.2)

'72, 13er Rallye Vasco-Navarro, Eladio Doncel & Daniel de Ferrater (911S)
'72, 5º Rallye de la Lana, Eladio Doncel & A. Mantecón (911S)
'72, 2º Critérium de Rioja, Eladio Doncel & A. Mantecón (911S)
'72, 6º Rallye Bosch, Julio Gargallo & ramón (911S 2.4)
'72, 4º Rallye Sherry, José Manuel Lencina & "Pichi" (911S)

'73, 3er Critérium Montseny-Guilleries, Joan Aleix & Marginet (911S)



Carles.

[Carles Bosch 2]

I've found a few, 'though there were more, for sure:

'67, 15º Rallye Costa Brava, Joan & Josep Mª Fernández (911)

'68, 2º Rallye de Orense, Eladio Doncel & Carlos Llagostera (911S)
'68, 16º Rallye de España, Pauli Toivonen & Urpo Vihervaara (911T)
'68, 2º Rallye Firestone, Eladio Doncel & Jaime Parejo (911S)
'68, 3er Rallye Costa del Sol, Joan Fernández & "Artemi" -Artemio Eche- (911R)

'69, 17º Rallye Costa Brava, Estanislao Reverter & Julio Leal (911R)
'69, 3er Rallye de Orense, José Mª Palomo & R. Serra (911R)
'69, 7º Rallye Rias Bajas, José Mª Palomo & ¿Pepito Adell?(911R)
'69, 3er rallye Firestone, Marc Etchebers & Enrique Sauto (911S)
'69, 11º Rallye 2000 Virajes, José Mª Palomo & ¿Pepito Adell? (911R)

'70, 11º Rallye Vasco-Navarro, Marc Etchebers & XX (911T)
'70, Critérium Luis de Baviera, Estanislao Reverter & Julio Leal (911R)
'70, 4º Rallye de Orense, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & R. Castañeda (911S)
'70, 2º Rallye del Sherry, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & R. Castañeda (911S)
'70, 12º Rallye 2000 Virajes, Eladio Doncel & Juan Carlos García de la Rasilla (911S)
'70, 6º Rallye Barcelona-Andorra, Eladio Doncel & Juan Carlos Garcia de la Rasilla (911S)
'70, 4º Rallye Firestone, Eladio Doncel & Ricardo Antolín (911S)
'70, 5º Rallye Costa del Sol, José Manuel Lencina & J. Mato (911S)

'71, 19º Rallye Costa Brava, José Manuel Lencina & A. Gutiérrez (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye de Orense, Eladio Doncel & Juan A. Conde (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye Bosch, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & Ricardo Muñoz (911S)
'71, 8º Rallye Premio Ciudad de Oviedo, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & Juan A. Conde (911S)
'71, 5º Rallye Firestone, Jean Égretaud & Enrique Sauto (911S ¿2.2?)
'71, 7º Rallye Barcelona-Andorra, Alberto Ruiz-Giménez & "Artemi" -Artemio Eche- (911S)
'71, 13er Rallye 2000 Virajes, Jean Égretaud & Enrique Sauto (911S 2.2)

'72, 13er Rallye Vasco-Navarro, Eladio Doncel & Daniel de Ferrater (911S)
'72, 5º Rallye de la Lana, Eladio Doncel & A. Mantecón (911S)
'72, 2º Critérium de Rioja, Eladio Doncel & A. Mantecón (911S)
'72, 6º Rallye Bosch, Julio Gargallo & ramón (911S 2.4)
'72, 4º Rallye Sherry, José Manuel Lencina & "Pichi" (911S)

'73, 3er Critérium Montseny-Guilleries, Joan Aleix & Marginet (911S)



Carles.

Dalmi,

Jorge has been faster. Hope with the results posted by the two of us, you'll find what you're searching for.

Carles.

[Dalmi]

Thank you both, Giorgio and Carles. Very helpful information.
One more thing, please.

I need the times for the firts five in 2000 Viratges Rally in 1970
1- Doncel - de la Rasilla (911S)
2- Ruiz-Giménez - Muñoz (911 S)
3- Juncosa - Ertemi (Fiat Abarth 2000 OT)
4- Reverter - Vázquez (911 R)
5- Jean Claude - Sabaté (Alpine 1600)

and the first name of Vázquez...

Thank you in advance

Dalmi

[Infiniti]

Dear All,

Can someone help me with this point.
I'm searching for the selected rounds of the German Rally Championship. I know some rounds were cancelled

1970

05-07.2 Marktredwitz Helmut Bein – Hans Christian Mehmel BMW 2002Ti
05-07.3 23. Lyon-Charbonnierse Jean Claude Andruet – David Stone Alpine Renault
20-21.3 Trifels Cancelled
29.4.-2.5 9. Nordland (Roland) ? Helmut Bein – Hans Christian Mehmel BMW 2002Ti
21-23.5 32. Wiesbaden
11-13.6 Hessen Wilfried Gass – J. Sackl Porsche 911S
26-27.6 Rudolf-Diesel
21-22.8 10. ADAC-Wertungsfahrt
11-12.9 14. Avus Kurt Waldner – Jürgen Illig Opel Commodore GSE
24-26.9 Bavaria-Munchen Sergio Barbasio – Mauro Manucci
9-10.10 8. Hugenotten Gert Raschig – Peter Linzen BMW

Thanks in advance.

Piet

[Carles Bosch 2]

Thank you both, Giorgio and Carles. Very helpful information.
One more thing, please.

I need the times for the firts five in 2000 Viratges Rally in 1970
1- Doncel - de la Rasilla (911S)
2- Ruiz-Giménez - Muñoz (911 S)
3- Juncosa - Ertemi (Fiat Abarth 2000 OT)
4- Reverter - Vázquez (911 R)
5- Jean Claude - Sabaté (Alpine 1600)

and the first name of Vázquez...

Thank you in advance

Dalmi


1st) 7782,5 pts
2nd) 7869,9 pts
3rd) 7894,0 pts ("Artemi" instead of Ertemi)
4th) 8393,9 pts
5th) 8662,9 pts (right spelling: Sabater)


Carles.

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, ettelbruck!

Best regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


10 novembre 1996
Belgium

23° Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. Freddy Loix - ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
2. Renaud Verreydt - ???? (Toyota Celica GT4)
3. Bruno Thiry - ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)

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?? / ?? / 1995 - 45° Circuit des Ardennes
?? / ?? / 1996 - 13° Rally de Wallonie

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29 marzo 1996
Belgium

46° Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Gregoire de Mevius - ???? ???? (Ford Escort Cosworth)
3. Bernard Munster - ???? ???? (Renault Clio Maxi)

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?? / ?? / 1995
Belgium

12° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Bernard Munster - Jean-François Elst (Renault Clio)
2. Laurent Verhoestraete - ???? Caesemaeker (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
3. ???? Timmers - ???? Robert (Lancia Delta Integrale)


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

Thank you both, Giorgio and Carles. Very helpful information.
One more thing, please.

I need the times for the firts five in 2000 Viratges Rally in 1970
1- Doncel - de la Rasilla (911S)
2- Ruiz-Giménez - Muñoz (911 S)
3- Juncosa - Ertemi (Fiat Abarth 2000 OT)
4- Reverter - Vázquez (911 R)
5- Jean Claude - Sabaté (Alpine 1600)

and the first name of Vázquez...

Thank you in advance

Dalmi

Hi Dalmi, it's Jorge not Giorgio ! I'm Portuguese, Giorgio is Italian !

4 - Estanislao Reverter-Aurelio Vasquez
5 - 'Jean Claude'-Victor Sabater

Best regards
jorge

[jrally]

Dear All,

Can someone help me with this point.
I'm searching for the selected rounds of the German Rally Championship. I know some rounds were cancelled

1970

05-07.2 Marktredwitz Helmut Bein – Hans Christian Mehmel BMW 2002Ti
05-07.3 23. Lyon-Charbonnierse Jean Claude Andruet – David Stone Alpine Renault
20-21.3 Trifels Cancelled
29.4.-2.5 9. Nordland (Roland) ? Helmut Bein – Hans Christian Mehmel BMW 2002Ti
21-23.5 32. Wiesbaden
11-13.6 Hessen Wilfried Gass – J. Sackl Porsche 911S
26-27.6 Rudolf-Diesel
21-22.8 10. ADAC-Wertungsfahrt
11-12.9 14. Avus Kurt Waldner – Jürgen Illig Opel Commodore GSE
24-26.9 Bavaria-Munchen Sergio Barbasio – Mauro Manucci
9-10.10 8. Hugenotten Gert Raschig – Peter Linzen BMW

Thanks in advance.

Piet

Hi Infiniti, long time no see ....

05-07.2 Marktredwitz Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
05-07.3 23. Lyon-Charbonnierse Jean Claude Andruet – David Stone Alpine Renault
11-12.4 Trifels Achim Warmbold-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
17-18.4 Hessen Wilfried Gass – Jurgen Sackl Porsche 911 S
09-10.5 Rudolf Diesel Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
21-23.5 32. Wiesbaden Achim Warmbold-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
13-14.6 ADAC Roland Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
28-30.8 14. Avus Kurt Waldner – Jürgen Illig Opel Commodore
25-27.9 Bavaria-Munchen Sergio Barbasio – Mauro Manucci Lancia Fulvia HF
10-11.10 8. Hugenotten Gert Raschig – Peter Linzen BMW 2002 Ti

Many differences of dates ! Other opinion is welcome !

Best regards
jorge

[ettelbruck]

1968

España - Pauli Toivonen-Matti Tiukkanen (911 T)




Just a little spelling, he was Martti Tiukkanen, not Matti

[jrally]

Just a little spelling, he was Martti Tiukkanen, not Matti

You're right, ettelbruck ! Thanks !

regards
jorge

[Dalmi]

Sorry Jorge. It was a confusion with Giorgio. I know you are portuguese.
And again, thanks Jorge and Carles for your help.

Dalmi

[Infiniti]

Hi Infiniti, long time no see ....

05-07.2 Marktredwitz Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
05-07.3 23. Lyon-Charbonnierse Jean Claude Andruet – David Stone Alpine Renault
11-12.4 Trifels Achim Warmbold-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
17-18.4 Hessen Wilfried Gass – Jurgen Sackl Porsche 911 S
09-10.5 Rudolf Diesel Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
21-23.5 32. Wiesbaden Achim Warmbold-Wulf Biebinger Opel Kadett Rallye
13-14.6 ADAC Roland Helmut Bein – Hans Christoph Mehmel BMW 2002 Ti
28-30.8 14. Avus Kurt Waldner – Jürgen Illig Opel Commodore
25-27.9 Bavaria-Munchen Sergio Barbasio – Mauro Manucci Lancia Fulvia HF
10-11.10 8. Hugenotten Gert Raschig – Peter Linzen BMW 2002 Ti

Many differences of dates ! Other opinion is welcome !

Best regards
jorge

Many thanks Jorge, hopefully I can find some more time now

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


17-18 febbraio 1995
Belgium

38° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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5 novembre 1994
Belgium

Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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8 aprile 1994
Belgium

Rally des Hautes Fagnes
Start: Liège
Finish: Liège

km. ????
groups N - A
european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[jrally]

Someone knows.......


10 novembre 1996
Belgium

23° Rally du Condroz
Start: Huy
Finish: Huy

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
belgian rally championship

Results:
1. Freddy Loix - Sven Smeets (Toyota Celica GT4)
2. Renaud Verreydt - Jean Manuel Jamar (Toyota Celica GT4)
3. Bruno Thiry - Stéphane Prevot (Ford Escort Cosworth)

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25-26/ 03 / 1995 - 45° Circuit des Ardennes
10-11/ 05 / 1996 - 13° Rally de Wallonie

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29 marzo 1996
Belgium

46° Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Ford Escort Cosworth)
2. Gregoire de Mevius - Jean Marc Fortin (Ford Escort Cosworth)
3. Bernard Munster - Jean François Elst (Renault Clio Maxi)

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20-21/ 05 / 1995
Belgium

12° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ????
groups N - A
belgian rally championship
national rally

Results:
1. Bernard Munster - Jean-François Elst (Renault Clio)
2. Laurent Verhoestraete - Francis Caesemaeker (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
3. Marc Timmers - Alain Robert (Lancia Delta Integrale)


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Here they are, Giorgio !
Best regards
jorge

[Giorgio]

Very thanks, Jorge !

Best regards

Giorgio

[Wim_Impreza]

A small correction, Daniel Colebunders must be Danny Colebunders.

[Giorgio]

A small correction, Daniel Colebunders must be Danny Colebunders.

"Daniel" Colebunders is correct.... "Danny" or "Dany" is a diminutive.

Best regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

25-27.9. 1970
Bavaria-Munchen
1. Sergio Barbasio – "Mario Mannucci" (Lancia Fulvia HF 1600)
not "Mauro Manucci"

Best regards

Giorgio

[Wim_Impreza]

"Daniel" Colebunders is correct.... "Danny" or "Dany" is a diminutive.

Best regards

Giorgio


Sorry, I didn't know that.

[ettelbruck]

Someone knows.......


17-18 febbraio 1995
Belgium

38° Boucles de Spa
Start: Spa
Finish: Spa

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)



284 kms

coeff 5

1 Patrick Snijers - Danny Colebunders Ford Escort Cosworth 2.53.31
2 Markku Alen - Ilkka Riipinen Toyota Celica 4WD +3.02
3 Rene Verreydt - Biar Toyota Celica 4WD +3.22

What a great rally trip to Belgium that was, oh boy...