WRC Testing

[AnttiL]

from videos we had seen till THIS time ,yes it was true.
Of course at future plenty changed.

how was it true? did we have a timed test stage for all the cars? Was there so dramatic differences in Monte? Which car was leading the championship after Sweden?

[EstWRC]

More on Bottas: https://www.rallyssimo.it/2019/08/16/wrc-bottas-rally-e-amore-testa-la-fiesta-gira-con-lappi-sulla-c3-e-sulla-yaris-dice/

"The same Finnish driver is enthusiastic about these experiences on rally cars, as he himself states:

"It's really fun. When I tested the Yaris it was great, driving such a powerful car on the tarmac is incredible, especially for me coming from the track. At the end of that day, I was in line with the times of Kris Meeke, who had tested a few hours before me.


really? i find it hard to believe after seein him with the Ford and all the other test vids with him. He is clearly overdriving

[Allez Andruet]

I don't get the comparison vs. Meeke. Bottas has never driven the Yaris on tarmac?

[EstWRC]

according to that article i get that he was also driving with the Yaris on tarmac on the same day as Meeke did Rally Germany PET

[Allez Andruet]

according to that article i get that he was also driving with the Yaris on tarmac on the same day as Meeke did Rally Germany PET

That's gone completely under the radar.

[Tarmop]

really? i find it hard to believe after seein him with the Ford and all the other test vids with him. He is clearly overdriving

It`s not your average Yaris/Fiesta you use to get from lace A to B. Even there there are differences to get used to, not to mention the difference between rallycars.

[denkimi]

Even on a stage sometimes it’s hard to tell how effective a car/driver can actually be; I remember watching all 4 cars testing here prior to 2017 gravel events and Meeke’s C3 looked mindblowing fast.
that is because the c3 was mindblowingly fast. in testing at least, when they had the setup absolutely right and knew the road.

[mknight]

that is because the c3 was mindblowingly fast. in testing at least, when they had the setup absolutely right and knew the road.

Which is pretty much same situation as here...and people assume Suninen wil be fast in the rally based on that.

[Allez Andruet]

that is because the c3 was mindblowingly fast.

It looked like it.

[lnvs]

according to that article i get that he was also driving with the Yaris on tarmac on the same day as Meeke did Rally Germany PETI had to use translator for that site and I didn't get that impression. Originally those comments are from crash.net and the article was about testing with Toyota. There is comments like “That was quite encouraging for a first day in gravel.” So it was before Rally Finland.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/927462/1/bottas-matched-kris-meeke-s-pace-toyota-rally-test

Rallyssimos text is just overlook of Bottas with WRC-cars this summer.

[er88]

Lol there's surely no way Bottas was/is on the pace of a WRC driver even after testing on the same piece of road over and over.

I can't believe it. If he starts driving WRC cars next season he'll be lucky to be anywhere near even Kimi's level, and even then Kimi started with lesser categories and tried to do a bit of groundwork.

The guy must be out of a drive at Mercedes F1 next year with all this nonsense and wrc testing.

[lnvs]

Mäkinen said in Marca.com that he was surprised about the pace of Bottas.

Testing times doesn't tell much about rallying. After several runs in same short road it turns to be like circuit and then one of the best circuit drivers should be pretty fast. Back in the days Kimi was faster than Loeb and Ogier on test roads.

[dimviii]

how was it true? did we have a timed test stage for all the cars? Was there so dramatic differences in Monte? Which car was leading the championship after Sweden?

you doubt that c3 was faster asphalt car at the debut of this category? because that some guys among me had mention,after some dry asphalt tests we had seen.
That the c3 wasnt leading is totally another (well known) story. It happens for various reasons...see Tanak Latvala Lappi Meeke last years.

[EstWRC]

the C3 was definitely the best car on tarmac in 2017 in my eyes.

2017, Meeke was leading Corsica before the engine went kaputt, Mikkelsen was second in Germany and Meeke won in Spain.

[er88]

Mäkinen said in Marca.com that he was surprised about the pace of Bottas.

Testing times doesn't tell much about rallying. After several runs in same short road it turns to be like circuit and then one of the best circuit drivers should be pretty fast. Back in the days Kimi was faster than Loeb and Ogier on test roads.Maybe it's true, but again I cant believe Kimi was faster than Loeb or Ogier in testing.

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzLEyWkqhEc

also a nice drone footage one of Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkfIxd3rodk

[doubled1978]

the C3 was definitely the best car on tarmac in 2017 in my eyes.

2017, Meeke was leading Corsica before the engine went kaputt, Mikkelsen was second in Germany and Meeke won in Spain.

I agree, it actually looked better in 2017 than it does now, which is bizarre. It always looked like it had plenty in reserve on dry tarmac, no understeer, just fast. Meeke always looked like he could drive within himself and be fastest, and Corsica and Spain showed that. Now it looks like it understeers like the others did in 2017!

[EstWRC]

compilation of all the teams testing for Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgG9l7Kfyt4

[mknight]

compilation of all the teams testing for Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgG9l7Kfyt4

Sorry but this is terrible. The more correct title is "scenes from a bugs life".

[Portimao]

I like this close-up perspective, it's different than all others.

[hari]

Some images from the ADAC Rallye Deutschland P2 Test today: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_wrc2_pet_adac_rallye_deutschland_2019 .html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/1.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/2.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/4.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/5.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/7.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2019/deutschlandpet/14.jpg

[dimviii]

nice photos mate!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bottas confirmed he did test the C3 WRC... although it does sound strangely quiet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1W1Fxyi...=118af5unxej16

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Which is pretty much same situation as here...and people assume Suninen wil be fast in the rally based on that.

Jeez... no-one said that. You seem to want to argue with everything.

[Andre Oliveira]

Greece today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC91v1YXoAUAWxW?format=jpg&name=medium

[bomber21]

Does anyone know if any other teams are coming to Greece for testing before Turkey??

[dimviii]

skoda testing at Sardegna for Turkey

https://twitter.com/Gianluca_Wrc/status/1166401906329161728

[RS]

skoda testing at Sardegna for Turkey

https://twitter.com/Gianluca_Wrc/status/1166401906329161728

That’s a lot of spare front bumpers.

[Vaggelis27]

Hyundai in france for test today??

[Vaggelis27]

https://twitter.com/MatraxRacing/status/1166228922276700162/photo/4 found this!

[deephouse]

Is it possible that teams are using him as a "test guy" for future hybrid tehnology. We know that in F1 is this kind of tech there for a while now. And maybe he could give some sort of tehnical advices. Because let's be honest why would almost all official teams give opportunity to a guy like him from completely different discipline. Just my thoughts.

[tomhlord]

Greece today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC91v1YXoAUAWxW?format=jpg&name=medium

I'm happy for Eric, but what's slightly odd is why not Ostberg?

[AnttiL]

Because Camilli can use “guest” test days. Østberg was their factory driver last year.

[Ucci]

https://twitter.com/MatraxRacing/status/1166228922276700162/photo/4 found this!

Maybe new ''Robert Kubica''?? With more luck in rally, because Robert was missing luck in rally....anyway, I'm always happy to hear that someone from F1 is interested in rally.

[dimviii]

Small clip today with Ogier testing at Greece
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/1166758806237392896

[dimviii]

Ogier at Greece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSilV1vePLQ

[EstWRC]

Toyota testing in Finland with old and new rear wing, clips of the new one aren’t allowed https://twitter.com/lpaanala/status/1167009690578038784?s=21

[AnttiL]

with Jarkko Nikara driving...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

So Bottas testing WRC's was just for fun....

Mercedes F1:
To whom it may concern... He’s staying ! @ValtteriBottas will race for the team next season !

[mknight]

Toyota testing in Finland with old and new rear wing, clips of the new one aren’t allowed https://twitter.com/lpaanala/status/1167009690578038784?s=21

Wonder how they can (or if they can) legally enforce that. Probably only with self-censorship from the people filming.

Anyway I get that the main reason is others probably have to make some changes as well and we haven't seen their designs yet.

Also since it looks like they can make these changes without using jokers (there were no jokers for Germany by anyone) it's also an Opportunity to improve things that didn't work so well "for free".

[AnttiL]

If you stay in good terms with the team, you get to spectate testing in the future as well. Quite simple.

[EstWRC]

Nikara https://youtu.be/dBFVC0FAE24

Awesome pixel rear wing !

[stefanvv]

Nikara https://youtu.be/dBFVC0FAE24

Awesome pixel rear wing !

One thing, it's uglier than before.

[mknight]

EDIT:

At 0:37 there is a quite clear view of the new wing. Apart from the less "rounded" shape, there seems to be a drastic reduction of the "sidepods" that follow the shape of the wider side-panels of the WRC car that are not there on the normal car. This would correspond to the rumors about "following the shape of the rear bumper".

Note that the only other WRC car that uses those big "sidepods" is Fiesta WRC, so I assume they probably might have to change those a bit as well.

Best pics for comparison that I quickly found are these:
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/503855/
https://www.ewrc-results.com/image/501009/

compare with 0:37 on that vid:
https://youtu.be/dBFVC0FAE24

EDIT2: For comparison with the pic below

https://www.ewrc.cz/images/2019/photos/neste_rally_finland_2019/pse_img_8704.jpg

[EstWRC]

pics or didnt happen mknight

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDJ1HkwWwAIiZOM?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDJ1IL4XYAApV4Q?format=jpg&name=900x900

[mknight]

Tbh that's much bigger change than I expected, unless it's some development step/intermediate option.

No matter if it has any impact on performance or not the controversy will imo just explode if it comes to Turkey like that, cause the potential implications are beyond crazy.

[Allez Andruet]

Wonder how they can (or if they can) legally enforce that.

Legally, there's no chance, none whatsoever. But the beauty in rallying is (and more specifically about the people involved in it) that it's maybe the last resort in all sports where this kind of non-selfish spirit still exists.

[mknight]

Legally, there's no chance, none whatsoever. But the beauty in rallying is (and more specifically about the people involved in it) that it's maybe the last resort in all sports where this kind of non-selfish spirit still exists.

Yet we got the pic of the wing anyway...

[dimviii]

citroen testing at Greece
https://youtu.be/1dfKMLIyNbo

[EstWRC]

more Citroen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uId-M7IJn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgPUHs3n2CY

[dimviii]

car seems damaged at rear left

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tidemand:
Prepping for Rally Turkey! Testing on rough roads in France with @MSportLtd this weekend. One day done, one to go and so far everything feels top. Love being back in the #WRC Fiesta again!! 😎 https://t.co/cSpGL53r35

[Vaggelis27]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpkVkqnEKCQ&feature=youtu.be My video!!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New Toyota wing tested in Greece

https://i.imgur.com/zP4ARM4.jpg

[mknight]

This is the wing used in Germany. Don't see any changes since then and nothing in common with the "secret" wing they tested in Finland.
Is this a picture from the test in Greece that was before Germany?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Yep, but it looks like its moved tighter to the rear of the car ?

[mknight]

How sure are you that this pic is not from pre-Germany testing?
Why would they first test a much smaller wing with massive changes in Finland and then go back to Greece with same wing?

[itix]

https://drivetribe.com/p/a-passenger-ride-in-a-wrc-car-changed-Kiy8kftKSNSGxBpLk5aumw

I notice in the link above that they are not using the electro-hydraulic system generally used on the rally stages. I can't even see the gear paddle behind the steering wheel. Anyone know the reason for this?

Cost savings?

[br21]

https://drivetribe.com/p/a-passenger-ride-in-a-wrc-car-changed-Kiy8kftKSNSGxBpLk5aumw

I notice in the link above that they are not using the electro-hydraulic system generally used on the rally stages. I can't even see the gear paddle behind the steering wheel. Anyone know the reason for this?
Cost savings?

Paddle is obviously there in place. I can see two reasons - paddle shifting system was broken and they continued driving with manual shifting or they were testing/checking backup system, as sometimes you need to do it. For sure it was not cost saving, you can see he needed to use clutch as cut-off system is not working without paddle, so for sure it was worse for gearbox internals/clutch than fully functioning paddle.

[CWJ]

That was not a test but codrives for journalists in Ford Performance Drive days. Next day with Pontus paddle shift worked fine again.

[itix]

Paddle is obviously there in place. I can see two reasons - paddle shifting system was broken and they continued driving with manual shifting or they were testing/checking backup system, as sometimes you need to do it. For sure it was not cost saving, you can see he needed to use clutch as cut-off system is not working without paddle, so for sure it was worse for gearbox internals/clutch than fully functioning paddle.Didn't see the paddle but maybe I didn't pay close enough attention.

Likely it is like you say.

[AnttiL]

Now we got an uncensored test clip of the new Yaris rear wing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72-fPxhlMrw

I think the video is edited to pause for a couple of times, I thought my internet was frozen :D

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Elfyn Evans is set to get back behind the wheel of a rally car this week in a test, having been passed fit following a back injury which has kept him out of WRC competition for over two months

https://t.co/1l43KzMoII

[tomhlord]

Camilli in the C3 again. https://twitter.com/EricCamilli/status/1174049213862293504?s=19

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli clip
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Eds/status/1174066233328754689

[Fredouye]

Good to see Elfyn back !
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/576fdf1cf7821e4353c722ec1d551af9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/f19c0a8cba87376f6b5ca212874d149e.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroën trials suspension upgrades in GB - https://t.co/RuosHXCrsS https://t.co/GPASFuxVaB

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Testing, Testing - 1,2,3
@CitroenRacing and @EsapekkaLappi warm-up for Wales Rally GB 🙌

https://t.co/9hwnJ06x2w

[dimviii]

Camilli video testing c3 wrc
https://youtu.be/jKYiysOOtq0

[EstWRC]

Wales tests

Breen https://twitter.com/welshi233/status/1175170276251906051?s=21
https://twitter.com/andrew_eds/status/1175088712444764160?s=21
Ogier https://twitter.com/churimotorsport/status/1175072914955210753?s=21
Meeke https://twitter.com/rallyman_wales/status/1175150481053835266?s=21
https://twitter.com/andrew_eds/status/1175031502696062977?s=21
Neuville https://twitter.com/iamj_v/status/1174943828953849863?s=21

I don’t remember seeing such a dry conditions.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Heavy rain is coming from Sunday and next week is to be cool and unsettled. Road conditions could well be quite different by the time of the rally.

[doubled1978]

Heavy rain is coming from Sunday and next week is to be cool and unsettled. Road conditions could well be quite different by the time of the rally.

It was the same last year, only a week or so before the rally did the rain come...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

It was the same last year, only a week or so before the rally did the rain come...

Yep. Check out Tanak's 2018 PET: https://twitter.com/Andrew_Eds/status/1175090605204168704

[AnttiL]

They got enough of mud testing in Turkey ;)

[EstWRC]

Ogier, Meeke, Breen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHu0seM_9A

[EstWRC]

nice picture galleries of Tänak (Day 1), Meeke, Ogier, Mikkelsen

https://www.facebook.com/pg/JMSPhotographic/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2686655521364740&ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/pg/KuceraPhotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2992802157402467&ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/pg/JMSPhotographic/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2684617871568505&ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/pg/JMSPhotographic/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2682506495112976&ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/pg/JMSPhotographic/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2680471051983187&ref=page_internal

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70301000_2686656331364659_3729235101419044864_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQkicp_NU3Wn4lyQrlOdS7G4Z13eT3hQsv_-fC4WAYCvwMR0XdaRlwfNtFQreld9ITs&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=aed877d9794886202d8da0ceb66c8b3e&oe=5DF736F2

[EstWRC]

Tänak was lucky enough to have proper Wales rally conditions on his second day https://www.instagram.com/p/B2umKHeAKH0/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2uW5CdBFHA/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2ud8EvhDtp/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2tiTmmpQWh/
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2uP0GSp1Ws/

[the sniper]

Yeah, anybody testing from now onwards should be able to get more representative conditions, weather wise.

[er88]

Bit unfortunate, would've rathered all the title chasing boys had equal test conditions, but looks like Tanak got lucky. Neuville and Ogier in the dry.

As for the others, looks like Meeke was testing for Portugal :D. Msport will have more typical GB conditions as I don't think they've tested yet, just wonder whether they will test at their own gaff or in Wales.

[EstWRC]

Ogier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9JWpfK9SF8

[EstWRC]

Breen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHr24hj34eE
Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-Vnj9368E

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bit unfortunate, would've rathered all the title chasing boys had equal test conditions, but looks like Tanak got lucky. Neuville and Ogier in the dry.

As for the others, looks like Meeke was testing for Portugal :D. Msport will have more typical GB conditions as I don't think they've tested yet, just wonder whether they will test at their own gaff or in Wales.

Evans has tested in Wales. Suninen tested at Greystoke nr M-Sport HQ and it was wet.

[EstWRC]

Meeke https://youtu.be/1_t5bZnMPuw

[T16]

Any videos of Evans testing in Wales? Anybody know when it was?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any videos of Evans testing in Wales? Anybody know when it was?

No vids and pic of an R5... https://twitter.com/ElfynEvans/status/1176156998259355648

https://twitter.com/ElfynEvans/status/1174705760976154624

[T16]

No vids and pic of an R5... https://twitter.com/ElfynEvans/status/1176156998259355648

https://twitter.com/ElfynEvans/status/1174705760976154624

Ah, ok. That wasn’t really Evans testing then, more re-familiarisation after being out for a while (hence the R5 car).

[T16]

Evans begins test today in Wales..

https://twitter.com/rallyinguk/status/1177151083891843073?s=21

[T16]

A bit more...
https://twitter.com/rallyinguk/status/1177215357561581569?s=21

[EstWRC]

Evans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jhjiauR3jo
Breen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE-VNQtGVqY

[Mise]

Watcinhg these test vids got me thinking about how the decision is made about what set up is the best.

Times can't be that important, since the road is cleaner after every run and the driver starts to remember the stage.

So what data is being used to make the decision?

[EstWRC]

Solberg for Wales https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfTeM8Jpg7g

[T16]

Watcinhg these test vids got me thinking about how the decision is made about what set up is the best.

Times can't be that important, since the road is cleaner after every run and the driver starts to remember the stage.

So what data is being used to make the decision?

I think it’s more about getting a good set up and experimenting with various settings until they get there.
They can still achieve this with a clean road.
The drivers and engineers can still determine a good set up regardless of times. Driver ‘feel’ and engineer data analysis allow them to achieve this.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Dont know if this was posted before.... Tidemand recent test at M-Sport and taking an Italian journalist for a ride.

https://youtu.be/sjeJEHfPFyQ

https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70386830_1231792023689978_3453325410186559488_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQkEd-d8Vz_9Qo2ulIINgUO4mfx4pVBUJU22GMaGwfcB5UaAgxd57thG bBzdxuhlTow&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=b263a5bb9d111fecb085cdbb3f270d7f&oe=5E315443

https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70201282_1231792117023302_6081271596297748480_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQkyT8Ael52zgYp7QU0J54aFnMOiyek4Sd25M1FjH3a D5A6kvfM-8dzxVbiUAGy1CX0&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=6736c878bfd9da62073106ce86bf2652&oe=5DF35425

https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70496410_1231792143689966_1725294526081269760_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQkwjjrra4QmkQD1btyleb7X34AsWvGi8KLOlJoaj1h iqZZNz0atp-2eSufIGOS5A-s&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr3-1.fna&oh=a0f81f1e604451bb0495fd8d50db633d&oe=5DF79AFC

[AnttiL]

Watcinhg these test vids got me thinking about how the decision is made about what set up is the best.

Times can't be that important, since the road is cleaner after every run and the driver starts to remember the stage.

So what data is being used to make the decision?

Things should be compared to the nearest drives, because the road doesn't change so dramatically after the first two or so. Rallying is anyway about changing conditions. Every corner is different to each other and when you go to the rally you can't be sure of the conditions or road order.

I heard that Loeb had a skill to drive the test stage with the same pace throughout the day. Then at the end of the day he would show what he had learned during the day and make a drastically faster time.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Colin Clark
How enormously disappointing ! Monday test is always an opportunity to build the fever for the rally but not this year ! Everyone, including accredited media banned from the stage. First time Solbergs have been together on a stage and no footage. Wasted opportunity.

[the sniper]

Colin Clark
How enormously disappointing ! Monday test is always an opportunity to build the fever for the rally but not this year ! Everyone, including accredited media banned from the stage. First time Solbergs have been together on a stage and no footage. Wasted opportunity.

Glad I didn't try and get to it now... I imagine some will still find a way! ;)

I get with private team tests that they don't want to have to manage spectators, but to me, not allowing spectators (or even media) to attend an official pre-event test seems like a wasted opportunity.

There's so much talk about cutting down on testing because of costs, but it's worse that all this money is being spent with a show being put on, but we're not allowed to go and see it! That's where the waste is.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

WRC.com

Breen tested in Wales earlier this month, where, despite a week of late summer sunshine and high temperatures, the team found a wet road in the Dyfi Forest complex.

“It’s vital to have a wet test,” said Breen, “and we found somewhere which retained the water. It was out of the way of the sun and under the trees and it was good. We had the bowser there as well, just in case we needed to dampen it down again.

“The test went really well. We worked on the car through the day and I felt really confident in it. I’m really happy with the way it finished and I definitely think we have the package to do something good.”

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/september-2019/breen-gb-return/page/6697--12-12-.html

[er88]

The testing conditions could play a big role, especially for the first day of the rally. The likes of Ogier/Lappi/ Meeke look like they had bone dry conditions only, whereas the rally is going to be very wet and slippy.
Those 3 drivers also dont have any data available from last year here in their current cars, so would they just base their initial setup on their teammates (in Meeke's case), or the setups Citroen ran last year for Mads and Craig (in Ogier and Lappi's case)?

Shakedown will certainly be important for a few of the drivers anyway.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tom Cave testing today
https://t.co/mFpchv8zKb

[EstWRC]

Loeb for Spain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_5P1pFH-xk&feature=youtu.be
Sordo too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXjVfYzy9C8

[EstWRC]

Loeb tarmac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWbsmcwuJI

[EstWRC]

Sordo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VSKWbP6CXs

[EstWRC]

Lappi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSF2vplAHf0

[EstWRC]

Meeke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ-5fKVZ-i4

[EstWRC]

Meeke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypIlYJ8mT2s

[EstWRC]

Meeke by zagatoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJiyxeqaoAo

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville & Mikkelsen... not exactly testing !

https://youtu.be/tUSyajgPYEk

[T16]

Heck! That’s some new front end (and wing). Can they use it this year if they want to?

https://twitter.com/hugo_blancher/status/1182690774749720579?s=21

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGnC9vAWsAYCm29?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

Holy bat mobile!

[doubled1978]

Imagine if it still understeers with all that on ��

[Allez Andruet]

I already fell in love with that one. So tasteless it's beautiful.

[er88]

Well it gives them a little excuse of why it took over a year to come up with that ;)

[RS]

What are the homologation rules around aero in WRC? Can they bring unlimited updates like in F1? Could be a slippery slope..

[BigWorm]

What is Budar's opinion on that rear wing?

[mknight]

What are the homologation rules around aero in WRC? Can they bring unlimited updates like in F1? Could be a slippery slope..

No, they have the use jokers.


What is Budar's opinion on that rear wing?

His opinion is that if FIA didn't reduce the size of Toyota wing this one would have been even bigger.

[EstWRC]

Ogier https://youtu.be/Dlkduk3slVA

[EstWRC]

Ogier by zagatoi https://youtu.be/mKLQ7hL2ci4

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li6D1csjO8E


the day ended with gravel spec car on tarmac https://twitter.com/R3Access/status/1182704668067205121?s=20

[Andre Oliveira]

Pic by Anthony Bailet

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGqRY2AXkAIAxK_?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGqhGW2XkAEstF_?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

its like: "ok guys, we make the aero like on Toyota, but much much bigger!"

[mknight]

It's hard to say what parts are bigger, especially since the pics have different level of zoom (first ones especially) . Only clearly bigger parts are those plates extending from the wing ends and from front wheelarches.

Anyway as long as the rules are the same for everyone it's no problem teams push them to the limits.

The most innovative part for Citroen is actually the very front.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Citroen never went for as much front and side aero as the others... plus have needed to use jokers to address all their other issues.

Seems they have finally admitted all the other teams were right and front aero is necessary to balance the rear.

Remember Ogiers jump in Finland landing on its ass...

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGndlwNXkAAZTML.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGndlwNWsAIH1yT.jpg

[Katvala]

Looks like they're attempting to make a plane

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[Fast Eddie WRC]

Looks like they're attempting to make a plane


More like trying to avoid making one...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGrd6ZLXYAAjUCO?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGrXqitXkAAB-5k?format=jpg&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGrXraKXkAAkDWF?format=jpg&name=medium

WTF !?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGrXqFrWsAEg7_S?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

Camilli https://youtu.be/tzmoNTXF2bU
The best of the test by Jaume Soler https://youtu.be/CqduZ9WMEPc

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=162rsKW_78w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUTqOqcMg2M
Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzmoNTXF2bU

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma_KILm2Das
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6MBAaiK4uA
Sordo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-T9HqtPy4k
Suninen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMalrWiLM-Y
Evans/Suninen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-wOQzzj8Sg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Paddon
Great test today in Spain as our pre-event test for Australia. As always incredible feeling driving a WRC and in particular today found some really good settings and feeling at one in this car. Today’s test will make the next 4 week wait until Rally Australia feel even longer. https://t.co/Zz7tzSYKQv

[mknight]

Neuville drove Rally Legend with old front aero (pre-Finland), so not sure much testing (if any) was done. Then again both Loeb also drove with old aero in the Italian round the weekend before Finland after the new aero was already tested in rally Estonia.

[Grundo Farb]

https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddonwrc/videos/662395870835520/?t=0

Pretty cool eye line view of Paddon's test in Spain.

[meh]

https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddonwrc/videos/662395870835520/?t=0

Pretty cool eye line view of Paddon's test in Spain.

This kind of stuff would be nice to have on WRC+.

... and actually I'm a bit surprised that this kind of video is allowed, because usually press is not allowed to make pictures inside car.

[AnttiL]

This kind of stuff would be nice to have on WRC+.

Yeah, let's have once again the discussion why helmet cameras are banned by FIA. As entertaining as the EV debate.

[Neige]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10218247357569147&id=1646593041&sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i

Another Fiesta video in Spain with lithuanian D.Jocius behind the wheel

[Katvala]

Yeah, let's have once again the discussion why helmet cameras are banned by FIA. As entertaining as the EV debate.Absolutely, but I don't see see anyone saying it wouldn't be nice to have. The reasoning behind the ban is reasonable however

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[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen doing testing for pirelli https://twitter.com/rallyracc/status/1184444537378357248?s=21

[AnttiL]

Mikkelsen doing testing for pirelli https://twitter.com/rallyracc/status/1184444537378357248?s=21

with R5 car?

[T16]

with R5 car?
It is, yes.

[pantealex]

with R5 car?

It´s forbidden to drive with WRC in certain countries...

"Test Days"

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen doing testing for pirelli https://twitter.com/rallyracc/status/1184444537378357248?s=21

'For Pirelli' or or for Hyundai ?

[Mirek]

Besides that R5 and WRC tyres are different, right? So what if he tested R5 tyres?

[Katvala]

He's not the only WRC driver that has tested R5 cars...

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[AnttiL]

It´s forbidden to drive with WRC in certain countries...


Even testing?

[pantealex]

Even testing?

especially testing.

Every test day counts.

It´s not a law thing, it´s FIA rule.

[AnttiL]

especially testing.

Every test day counts.

It´s not a law thing, it´s FIA rule.

Of course I know that, but what does it have to do with the country (as long as it's in Europe (and this was in France))?

[T16]

Won’t he simply be testing 2020 WRC rubber on an R5 car to give Pirelli data? If so, will they be breaking any testing rules?

[Fredouye]

especially testing.

Every test day counts.

It´s not a law thing, it´s FIA rule.It depends of the driver...Camilli can test "for free" the C3 WRC, as he wasn't a factory driver for the last 2 seasons.

[AnttiL]

Yes, if Mikkelsen would use the WRC car to test the Pirelli tyres, that would use their allowed testing days. And conversely, the R5 testing isn't limited (except for a couple of weeks in the country where the next event is run in)

Anyway, would you consider possible that Pirelli would supply the tyres for Hyundai WRC team in 2020? The control tyre rule is coming in 2021, maybe they want to compete with Michelin for that role?

Or is this testing for an effort to take part in the WRC2 championship, to be maybe sponsored by Pirelli?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Leandro Mazzucchelli
@Mazzucchelli_L

Replying to
@planetemarcus


Pirelli has released new soft and super soft compounds for R5 cars in the last two gravel rounds. Maybe another new tyre for tarmac ?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHAJ5qLXUAgNeaI?format=jpg&name=medium

[spiderem]

Is citroen using the new areo for Spain? or is it for next season?

[T16]

Is citroen using the new areo for Spain? or is it for next season?

I think the plan is to use it this season, if it worked.

[mknight]

There is still no change to homologations list (since 2/8). Watch it before the rally as it usually is published a few days before the rally. (I guess it needs to be updated before scrutineering). That said even if there are changes it doesn't mean team will use them. Before Finland Citroen homologated engine changes but first used them in Germany.

[AMSS]

Is citroen using the new areo for Spain? or is it for next season?

Citroen used all jokers for 2019 already before rally Finland, so no new aero until 2020. according to Budar interview..

[T16]

Citroen used all jokers for 2019 already before rally Finland, so no new aero until 2020. according to Budar interview..

Does this prohibit new aero too?
I’m not arguing, but this WRC article indicates they were testing it with a view to using it in Spain:

https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/october-2019/citroen-test/page/6749--12-12-.html

[HarriK]

Mads testing Citroen wrc tomorrow in Finland

[mknight]

Mads testing Citroen wrc tomorrow in Finland

Given the timing it looks like they want to try the new aero on fast gravel before deciding to homologate it and want to make it in time for Spain.

[mousti]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h4kimVAeyo0&feature=youtu.be

Mikkelsen and Bouffier testing i20 R5 Evo?

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[EstWRC]

Tänak on tarmac, gravel spec on tarmac and on gravel for Spain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8-vI50ucg

that gravel spec on tarmac is fun to watch :D


on most of the shots i see they have german spec rims, on some they have some other, like in the beginning of the video when they put helmets on. Also, when they do the gravel spec on tarmac driving, they have the old rear wing.

[pantealex]

Given the timing it looks like they want to try the new aero on fast gravel before deciding to homologate it and want to make it in time for Spain.

If he is in Lapland, there is snow already, so could be for Sweden or Monte.
All southern parts of Finland are very very wet, gravel is not fast now, it´s slippery.

[AnttiL]

If he is in Lapland, there is snow already, so could be for Sweden or Monte.
All southern parts of Finland are very very wet, gravel is not fast now, it´s slippery.

Not in Lappland. Testing for Australia?

[EstWRC]

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[pantealex]

Not in Lappland. Testing for Australia?

Yes, he is near to Jyväskylä and it´s only wet and soft gravel in here.

[gorganl2000]

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very cool pictures

on a side note, i sometimes hear at the stage end drivers say they don't know how they got flats/slow leaks/tires off rims/broken rims/etc. and i understand that tires and rims are built to take some abuse and the need to take the racing line and some calculated degrees of risk when necessary, as after all we are talking about the top drivers fighting for tenths of a second. Now after saying that, based on those pictures and the billions of pictures/videos already out there, should it really be such a shock to the drivers when they do indeed get punctures/etc while cutting some of these rutted corners and sharp kurbs/stones at varying degrees?!?! The majority of the time it works out, but sometimes it doesn't, just don't act so surprised when the inevitable happens

[Fast Eddie WRC]

very cool pictures

on a side note, i sometimes hear at the stage end drivers say they don't know how they got flats/slow leaks/tires off rims/broken rims/etc. and i understand that tires and rims are built to take some abuse and the need to take the racing line and some calculated degrees of risk when necessary, as after all we are talking about the top drivers fighting for tenths of a second. Now after saying that, based on those pictures and the billions of pictures/videos already out there, should it really be such a shock to the drivers when they do indeed get punctures/etc while cutting some of these rutted corners and sharp kurbs/stones at varying degrees?!?! The majority of the time it works out, but sometimes it doesn't, just don't act so surprised when the inevitable happens

Agreed. They seem to believe that because they have recce'd the stages they know where and how far they can cut. But unless they get out at every corner and see what's in the grass they are taking a risk. Plus there is the factor of the car's running ahead of them dragging a stone or revealing one on the corner.

[skarderud]

Yes, he is near to Jyväskylä and it´s only wet and soft gravel in here.No comments:)https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191019/5167d118ed22016927e6f7e92bc31efd.jpg

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[EstWRC]

Ostberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov84PRQuyU

[spiderem]

Ostberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov84PRQuyU

Looks like the new aero is not really improving the tendency of the car to nose up on the jumps. Just pure observation, obviously we don't know what they are working on and which setup they are testing. Nice autumn colour in the Finnish forests.

[mknight]

Running old aero as well for comparison. Front and rear wing should be easy to switch but dunno about the planes on the front sides. Suppose they didn't have two cars?

Anyway it totally looks like a quick veryfication test before homologation, especially with the timing.
We'll know for sure shortly.

[pantealex]

Are they even allowed to test with 2 WRC cars ?

I would say NO.

[EstWRC]

Toyota had 2 cars on their last test in Spain ?

[pantealex]

Toyota had 2 cars on their last test in Spain ?

Did they drive with both in same day ?

[EstWRC]

Did they drive with both in same day ?

as far i saw from the videos then yes, Tänak with the tarmac spec on daytime and with the gravel spec on tarmac in the afternoon.

here, you can see 2 cars in the beginning of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8-vI50ucg

[Rallyper]

Ostberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eov84PRQuyU

Recognize the place at 2:10. Paavo and Albert?

[EstWRC]

Lappis turn today https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1185856576629956608?s=20

[Hartusvuori]

Are they even allowed to test with 2 WRC cars ?

I would say NO.

Check regulations.

66.4.3 A single test day also covers the possibility for 2 or more drivers and/or more than one WRC car to test on the same test road, only if these drivers are not testing at the same time.

[Hartusvuori]

Photos from C3 WRC dev test today with Lappi driving:

https://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Citr%C3%B6en+C3+WRC+Development+Test+20.10.2019/

[EstWRC]

Lappi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIrT9Bk9rKg

[mknight]

Photos from C3 WRC dev test today with Lappi driving:

https://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Citr%C3%B6en+C3+WRC+Development+Test+20.10.2019/

Some parts of the front look like someone was paid by the kg of carbon fiber added.

Notably the combined endplate/gourney flap on the highest (3rd from bottom) front fin. (Marked A here: https://www.wrcwings.tech/2019/10/15/review-of-the-citroen-c3-wrc-aero-test-development-in-catalunya-pre-event-tests/ )

[EstWRC]

nice "short movie" of Rally Finland testing through the years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S231Id_QRP4

[EstWRC]

Gryazin with Hyundai R5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj83vJvN098

[sturlabr]

A.Mikkelsen in a Hyundai suit on instagram yesterday, writing "back to work"!

[AnttiL]

A.Mikkelsen in a Hyundai suit on instagram yesterday, writing "back to work"!

more R5 testing?

[sturlabr]

Don`t know, he looked a little "off" in the picture.

[AnttiL]

https://www.rallit.fi/kalle-rovanpera-paasee-jo-pian-toyotan-wrc-auton-rattiin-mielenkiintoista-nahda-millainen-se-oikeasti-on/

Rovanperä will start Toyota’s Monte tests in France on Wednesday

[Fredouye]

Does it count as a 'free' PET, as he was not nominated by Toyota before ?

[EstWRC]

they follow their pattern then

good to hear, finally we get see some new vids after a very long break :D

[pantealex]

Does it count as a 'free' PET, as he was not nominated by Toyota before ?

it´s 2019 still

for sure it´s not counted as 2020 test day.

[eib1]

#WRC 2020 season has started today with Hyundai and @thierryneuville PET i20WRC #RallyeMonteCarlo

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1201788830992535552

[AnttiL]

Does it count as a 'free' PET, as he was not nominated by Toyota before ?

The team does not matter, as long as you haven't been a factory nominated driver this or the previous year. So Rovanperä can use the "guest driver" test days.

[EstWRC]

Tänak to test on Thursday, Toyota squad 4-10 december

Hyundai Motorsport director Andrea Adamo is looking forward to seeing new world champion Tänak at the wheel of the championship-winning i20 for the first time.

“We are really excited to hear his feedback,” said the Italian. “Ott didn’t drive the car at all before this week. It’s his first time and we want to discover how it is.

“We are all looking forward to working with him and it’s great to get the input into the car from another top driver. We saw that when Seb [Loeb] joined us at the start of this season.”

Ahead of the test, Tänak has requested a variety of set-up solutions but the team wasn’t willing to go into details.


https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/december-2019/2020-testing/page/6867--12-12-.html

E:wrc.com has days mixed up? Sayin Neuville starts tomorrow but he is already testing today. We will see

[tomhlord]

Interesting, I wonder when M-Sport will start testing, in January?

[Sulland]

Yes, what are Malcolms thoughts and plans for 2020. Can not be easy.

[EstWRC]

Neuville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT4aCUT4PrQ&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9fL-nQ-Ybs&feature=emb_logo

center exhaust now i see

[mknight]

Roof vent is flatter and wider like Toyota has as well. So at least two changes since Spain.

[TypeR]

Sounds like many birdies are also under the hood :D Haven't noticed it before so much.. more on some R5s

[EstWRC]

Yeah I noticed that too. Usually the Hyundai didn’t have it. At least not so much

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK4WPF3XkAEU9Bp?format=jpg&name=large

[EstWRC]

https://www.wrcwings.tech/2019/12/03/hyundai-opens-pre2020-season-tests-with-aero-modifications-for-the-i20-coupe-wrc/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EK4WPF3XkAEU9Bp?format=jpg&name=large

https://rallysportmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Hyundai-i20-2019.jpg

https://www.wrcwings.tech/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/2019GERMANY_FD_233.jpg

[dimviii]

checkpoint rallye video
https://youtu.be/aBUsVVBpkA0

[EstWRC]

https://www.facebook.com/nicolas.gilsoul/videos/292975171613493/UzpfSTIwNjE2MDg5MDczMjoxMDE1NzQyMDI3ODg1NTczMw/

[mknight]

checkpoint rallye video
https://youtu.be/aBUsVVBpkA0

The corner at 3:06 / 0:56 seems to show the typical I20 issue (understeer in mid-long corners) and Neuville's way of dealing with it (handbrake/throw the car in).

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1202120961174253570

[EstWRC]

Loeb today for Hyundai, not Friday like wrc.com claimed https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1202144948965040131?s=20
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1202146662082383872?s=20

[AnttiL]

Rovanperä https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=564120834384188

[mknight]

Loeb today for Hyundai,
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/1202146662082383872?s=20

Typical Loeb style...

[EstWRC]

Rovanperä https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEw35DHwjEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5DEqFLMMoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohplzEakZU0

how its looking dimviii?

[dimviii]

hard to judge at these tricky icey conditions.Lets wait for some dry asphalt.

[dimviii]

Typical Loeb style...

another one.Probably snow tyres?
https://twitter.com/hervetusoli/status/1202240314917969921

[EstWRC]

Typical Loeb style...

its slippery...and its called testing

takes it normally here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2S6ReWCQrs

[dimviii]

Loeb
https://youtu.be/hd3XWMZ8gIk

[EstWRC]

Loeb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccAxktoYxBU

[EstWRC]

Loeb by zagatoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yzpJq2B5wQ

[RS]

Rovanperä https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEw35DHwjEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5DEqFLMMoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohplzEakZU0


Not going to make any judgement on speed but he looks pretty damn comfortable in that car already for test day one..

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78500584_1496105220548189_5611892874128916480_o.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=hQxDEgNsxLoAQmYTGodoo3oh7SYMXIsX0thmRorbY5 88n8RAsv0ppT8Zg&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=9f0de7070d9f24931d168a54dca6f766&oe=5E7B2A74
https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78369584_1496104967214881_6310274635430625280_o.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=wN-zQmnUQ6UAQmtwM2fZXRn1kRdNkInTs-6d543eGK0VKYZIQ6k_iArpA&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=5096833711aca6e0eed41c175ee079a1&oe=5E881514




credit and more here https://www.facebook.com/pg/BastienRouxPhotographie/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1494916944000350&ref=page_internal

[EstWRC]

Rovanperä by zagatoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9icbWWzotP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcV7QjP4tDs
Loeb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1FdsQ9YgWE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkyaY5ttKWE

[TypeR]

Interesting that no photos or any info about Tänak's test..

[EstWRC]

Give it time. There will be.

[T16]

Anyone know when Evans / Ogier are testing?

[EstWRC]

Interesting that no photos or any info about Tänak's test..

Here you go https://t.co/DKJkYEXREj?amp=1

[EstWRC]

Pic of Ott https://www.instagram.com/p/B5r7YWEo1Gl/?igshid=1rg0ritq29rmf

And a clip https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=554755428642145&id=444180253032997

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=121U2wGbjHE

man so weird watching this. lol

[Henryfiles]

Already looks properly quick

[TypeR]

More fans than in Australia :D

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olCV87l0xkc

[gorganl2000]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olCV87l0xkc


just saw this one, he looks very decent indeed.
next season should be really interesting

[EstWRC]

Tänak by lolowrc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkJ4oTVgxs

haha the guy counting the start at the beginning

[TypeR]

Anybody knows if bluuford went to Hyundai with Ott?

[Franky]

Anybody knows if bluuford went to Hyundai with Ott?

Think he was on a morning TV programme and said yes there. I didn't pay too much attention, so might not remember it correctly.

[EstWRC]

galleries of Tänak https://www.facebook.com/pg/julienpixelrallye/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1497169023779568&ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/emericmichelphotographie/photos/pcb.542898879894793/542898653228149/?type=3&theater



and here he is with a quite fast lawn mower

https://scontent.fhen1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78746200_542898846561463_6494466317964279808_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=NVQEMlALbEEAQkYQOdcwTVmtyUsU8ROYHBIXhSqlvZ HKr8x4TuBeTvZhg&_nc_ht=scontent.fhen1-1.fna&oh=162b6f6d6fe0e8125321575f3afd2e24&oe=5E89D071

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GSf4V0XZq4
Rovanperä and Loeb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLv5iOklMcs
Rovanperä https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf84qLlbSio

[dimviii]

Rovanperä https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf84qLlbSio

nice drive from Rovanpera at second half of video at dry parts.

[dimviii]

Tanak credit to �� Yohan Muller

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELCyA1lWkAEmEl4?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

Tänak by checkpointrallye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz4-QXKcppc
and by rallye chrono https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnZsPIKSgAk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Evans

https://twitter.com/hugo_blancher/status/1202899886989041666

[dimviii]

Evans
https://youtu.be/lMrN8kp99pg

https://youtu.be/uxIighMB23Y

https://youtu.be/lUDSv_W35Sg

https://youtu.be/y55dV4SjTeM

https://youtu.be/JaJlT9oet9k

[dimviii]

Evans by Zagatoi
https://youtu.be/ewKFhBEzJ1c

[mknight]

Evans seems to be driving carefully/smoothly with tendencies to understeer even on slippery surface. Some contrast with Rovanpera, will be interesting to see Ogier.

[AnttiL]

Evans seems to be driving carefully/smoothly with tendencies to understeer even on slippery surface. Some contrast with Rovanpera, will be interesting to see Ogier.

But which style is faster?

EDIT: ;)

[mknight]

Hard to say without a clock isn't it.
Just pointing out the difference. Similar ly at Hyundai you had Loeb throwing the car around a lot in testing and Tänak driving much smoother.

[T16]

Evans
https://youtu.be/lMrN8kp99pg

https://youtu.be/uxIighMB23Y

https://youtu.be/lUDSv_W35Sg

https://youtu.be/y55dV4SjTeM

https://youtu.be/JaJlT9oet9k

Are Mobil1 a new sponsor for Toyota?

[Rallyper]

But which style is faster?

If NOT was able to comment on that one, you´d got the answer to stop writing such b..l sh_t.

No offense, but I could agree on that pointless comments.

We´ll have to wait until RMC. Then we know who has the fastest style. My bet i Ogier.

[dimviii]

Hard to say without a clock isn't it.
Just pointing out the difference. Similar ly at Hyundai you had Loeb throwing the car around a lot in testing and Tänak driving much smoother.

at dry Monte stages when you see these slides/throwing the car is 99,9% with snow tyres

[AnttiL]

If NOT was able to comment on that one, you´d got the answer to stop writing such b..l sh_t.

No offense, but I could agree on that pointless comments.

We´ll have to wait until RMC. Then we know who has the fastest style. My bet i Ogier.

I should have added a smiley to my message :) my point was exactly that it’s pointless to try to judge speed from testing videos.

[EstWRC]

Evans day2 https://youtu.be/XD_M4Asg4xs

https://youtu.be/M5A1TxNou4A

https://youtu.be/QWgle5to0Lw

[Henryfiles]

Evans looks shit slow
This season should be his last chance to really perform

[pantealex]

Are Mobil1 a new sponsor for Toyota?

No, Mobil1 stickers has been in Yaris all the time since 2017.