WRC Testing

[racerx1979]

Rain scheduled for tomorrow and they are testing again. So they might just get the best of both worlds in the odd case Wales is dry

[dimviii]

Meeke
https://youtu.be/Uj-Tn5ffuHg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rain scheduled for tomorrow and they are testing again. So they might just get the best of both worlds in the odd case Wales is dry

It wont be that dry, like in the Meeke video. Even if its not actually raining the Welsh roads will be pretty damp and muddy after the first cars.

[rs7]

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/columns/who-has-the-early-edge-for-rally-gb/

"The verdict? Simple. M-Sport’s Ford Fiesta WRC looked like an all-conquering force; Hyundai’s i20 Coupe WRC exited most corners looking like a beached fish trying to fight its way back into the water."

“His car broke down. I can’t see that Nerve-vile bloke getting very far.” <- this is pure gold :D :D

[mknight]

It wont be that dry, like in the Meeke video. Even if its not actually raining the Welsh roads will be pretty damp and muddy after the first cars.

You know Meeke was testing in France right?

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https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/columns/who-has-the-early-edge-for-rally-gb/

"The verdict? Simple. M-Sport’s Ford Fiesta WRC looked like an all-conquering force; Hyundai’s i20 Coupe WRC exited most corners looking like a beached fish trying to fight its way back into the water."

“His car broke down. I can’t see that Nerve-vile bloke getting very far.” <- this is pure gold :D :D


Clearly M-Sport should be good on their home rally with unlimited testing on similar surface, but David Evans writing article that predicts Rally GB performance based on what a tractor driver said and watching 2 passes in testing..... ok.

[swanny]

I think David Evans is taking the piss, that is the impression I get from reading the article...

[tomhlord]

Meeke
https://youtu.be/hFUedcMTeTU

It's just a shame it's Wales next and not Sardegna....

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You know Meeke was testing in France right?



I did and that's why I said it wont be dry like that (France) in Wales.

I cant understand when the C3 has problems on gravel why they aren't testing in the country where the next rally is. They could make some progress on that dusty French gravel but then be all at sea again on the slimy Welsh stuff...

Matton did say its very expensive to test in Wales though ! ;)

[cmac]

I cant understand when the C3 has problems on gravel why they aren't testing in the country where the next rally is. They could make some progress on that dusty French gravel but then be all at sea again on the slimy Welsh stuff...

Matton did say its very expensive to test in Wales though ! ;)[/QUOTE]


They don't have any testing days left,so can only use there nominated testing venue.

[doubled1978]

I know this isn't really going to tell them what their car will be like in the mud on WRGB, but I happen to think the overall handling balance of the car looks way better than in previous tests. The rear end looks way more secure. Of course the specific circumstances of the test conditions are unknown to me, but from the short clips it looks better.

[dimviii]

Breen
https://youtu.be/cMzWzp2xs7M

[SubaruNorway]

If anyone is doing Østberg's test in Wales tomorrow there might be a possibility to get your clips shared in a little video, send me a PM if you're going :)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Rovanpera in Wales
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM_fknDW0AAphLi.jpg:large

[AnttiL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4QoaPPZMKI

Rovanperä test onboard

[EstWRC]

according to this account Toyota is testing parts for 2018


https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/927461461076709376

[AnttiL]

according to this account Toyota is testing parts for 2018


https://twitter.com/RallySolo/status/927461461076709376

Hänninen was supposed to do testing work in Spain during Rally Australia.

[EstWRC]

They are testing indeed https://twitter.com/esapekkalappi/status/927533751449587714

[jbmarcus21]

Test Days Sébastien Loeb - Daniel Elena Peugeot 306 MAXI #RallyduVar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU2c9dYJu4g&feature=youtu.be

[pantealex]

Hänninen was supposed to do testing work in Spain during Rally Australia.

He is.

But EP is driving now with new aero.

[EstWRC]

Hanninen with the new 2018 aero kit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vD8mCnMrE

photos http://www.culturaracing.es/2017-test-toyota-wrc-berja/

[Eli]

Does anyone know they'll be testing again (pre-2018)?

[EstWRC]

In December but I don’t know the exact dates.

[Andre Oliveira]

December 2

[SubaruNorway]

I might be interested in test information for Kall, Sweden. I think it's usually been the week before christmas?

[EstWRC]

December 2

you mean m-sport or what team specifically?

[Andre Oliveira]

I think Toyota is the first. 2/4 december

[KKS]

Hanninen with the new 2018 aero kit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-vD8mCnMrE

photos http://www.culturaracing.es/2017-test-toyota-wrc-berja/
Great to see that Juho still in a mix

[SubaruNorway]

Veiby and Rovanpära testing in Dagali, Norway next week for Skoda Motorsport
http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php/10-uncategorised/10948-skoda-motorsport-tester-i-norge-neste-uke

[Simmi]

Looks like the info about Kalle hooking up with Skoda is true. Will be interesting to check the tyres he's on during that test.

It's interesting because I'm sure I read one of the things they wanted for Kalle was the ability to sample WRC machinery in testing - hence why M-Sport and Hyundai were supposedly the main options.

[Hartusvuori]

Looks like the info about Kalle hooking up with Skoda is true. Will be interesting to check the tyres he's on during that test.

It's interesting because I'm sure I read one of the things they wanted for Kalle was the ability to sample WRC machinery in testing - hence why M-Sport and Hyundai were supposedly the main options.

Maybe Skoda WRC in the making? :-) One must keep dreaming.

[Allez Andruet]

It's interesting because I'm sure I read one of the things they wanted for Kalle was the ability to sample WRC machinery in testing - hence why M-Sport and Hyundai were supposedly the main options.

Would there be a conflict between R5 Fabia and WRC Yaris?

[pantealex]

Would there be a conflict between R5 Fabia and WRC Yaris?

From Toyota side NO conflict, maybe from Skoda.

[EstWRC]

FIrst picture of Tänak testing for Monte with Toyota


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQMkb1YWsAAa0hT.jpg

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/937633227140890624

https://instagram.com/p/BcRq5zcAwn1/
https://instagram.com/p/BcRtbj2DgGh/

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQMtV4NWAAAO8Mn?format=jpg&name=medium

[EstWRC]

little clip https://twitter.com/eWRCresults/status/937703812487409664
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/937709684894650368

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNNJNRWkAYQt3L.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNXMOZWAAI5JMA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNT_Q-WAAIuqxr.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNT91eW4AAhLPZ.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQMy3W6WAAErdGJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQMy42bXkAAGoRS.jpg



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQNjuCvW4AAm-NW.jpg

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GzcAsRdGBk

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/xxzxoks6ubE

[EstWRC]

nice gallery https://www.facebook.com/pg/julienpixelrallye/photos/?tab=album&album_id=960077867488689


https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24302187_960079360821873_6955781835586554514_o.jpg ?oh=859d0ea68b65e776bb2147a82549c1f2&oe=5ACF27B1

[Andre Oliveira]

Another one: https://youtu.be/p5i2Xnb09Ow

[EstWRC]

E: Andre beat me

look how he is loosing the front splitter at 4:23

[lnvs]

look how he is loosing the front splitter at 4:23To be exact it's just one of the dive planes. ;)

[EstWRC]

oh, my bad, you are right

interesting that Tänak did test at the same place with quite similar conditions last year with the Fiesta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lce9jd_wWc

[Mirek]

Isn't it Col de Perty from former RMC stage Moutauban sur l'Ouvéze?

[rage82]

Isn't it Col de Perty from former RMC stage Moutauban sur l'Ouvéze?Yes , you are right, in 2012 the stage was Montauban Sur l'Ouveze - Eygalayes.

Sent from my Redmi Note 3 using Tapatalk

[Andre Oliveira]

Other of Tänak: https://youtu.be/C_IUCfX8kf0

[Mirek]

Yes , you are right, in 2012 the stage was Montauban Sur l'Ouveze - Eygalayes.

I thought so because I was there in 2012 (and several years before during IRC times).

[Andre Oliveira]

Vídeo 5: https://youtu.be/D_ymHORKJfQ

Vídeo 6 (with drone): https://youtu.be/tOanBhy-4Gc

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/R6sac9Di_jQ
https://youtu.be/ZG6FaPkL_gU

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQSQPLlXkAAGTWz?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Day 2: https://youtu.be/tvYhRR1HBIo

[Andre Oliveira]

Tänak: https://youtu.be/5vTiZXTs9pU

https://youtu.be/as1-89YDDuM

[EstWRC]

Tänakhttps://youtu.be/as1-89YDDuM

holy shit i thought he is gonna crash!

[Andre Oliveira]

Another one: https://youtu.be/p9bN81MM2K0

[EstWRC]

Gallery from Julien Pixelrallye again https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=ms.c.eJxFjskNwEAIAzuKjJez%7E%3B8YiwZI8R2MbyuF JCMLFkU8100KZNAxLRnvyehnv1%7E%3BOYorQQN1%7E%3BVPnz z3p4%7E%3Bz37tPW0vufdmz3Yvp2%7E%3B%7E_5acvl4H2uv%7 E%3BpMD5m5895AeYsMNU%7E-.bps.a.960077867488689.1073742095.377417859088029&type=1

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24785144_960681864094956_407091041620035824_o.jpg? oh=8620db09508102dbd76cdde03785ff4f&oe=5ACF2613

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/louka.sorriani/media_set?set=a.1701466419916696.1073741842.100001 600630868&type=3

https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24296657_1701466696583335_8023709303480271758_n.jp g?oh=082fefa606a95dd5fa42b10f649c1ffe&oe=5ACF861C

[spiderem]

I start to like the Yaris more and more. It looks blisteringly quick in the hands of Tanak (in the hands of Latvala too sometime). If reliability is here next season, fasten your seat belt all as we are in for an amazing championship.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x78G-62LDTg

[EstWRC]

one more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM7ZIiJT5hA

[itix]

Tänak hasn't lost his bold ways for sure. Sat with my mouth wide open after that video for a bit hahahaha.

Very interesting season to come!

[EstWRC]

Citroen also testing today and with two cars present. Saw It in Breens Instagram feed. Hopefully we will have videos later

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I hope to hear some comments soon from Tanak about his opinion of the Yaris and how it compares to the Fiesta.

I also think next season the cars could be even closer in performance when they have their 2017 problems and reliability sorted out.

[Allez Andruet]

I hope to hear some comments soon from Tanak about his opinion of the Yaris and how it compares to the Fiesta.
I don't think we can count too much on that. Yes, it's more that likely that Tänak will be asked about it, but the answer is probably something like "both cars have their strengths".

[N.O.T]

I hope to hear some comments soon from Tanak about his opinion of the Yaris and how it compares to the Fiesta.

he will say the normal PR bullshit every driver says when they change teams... the car has his ups and downs and its different than the fiesta blah blah blah....

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie‏*
@planetemarcus
#WRC Today @EsapekkaLappi debuts Test Days for next #montecarlo18 with Toyota GAZOO Racing (thanks @Julienprioux ) #photos ► http://bit.ly/2BFBLhF

[EstWRC]

I don't think we can count too much on that. Yes, it's more that likely that Tänak will be asked about it, but the answer is probably something like "both cars have their strengths".

exactly!

like always with testing videos, it is impossible to judge and know how fast someone is until we see the first stage times but it seems to me that he looked quite confident with the car?

but that can be misleading too.

[pantealex]

I hope to hear some comments soon from Tanak about his opinion of the Yaris and how it compares to the Fiesta.

I also think next season the cars could be even closer in performance when they have their 2017 problems and reliability sorted out.

I believe he allowed to speak about Toyota in only next month, 2018 that is. And probably will say only PR words.

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi: https://youtu.be/44BfNKQlP34

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi 2: https://youtu.be/-CrvUlS1IGc

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi 3: https://youtu.be/XwpgAVFUKF0

[EstWRC]

Gallery of Lappi https://www.facebook.com/pg/julienpixelrallye/photos/?tab=album&album_id=961234530706356


https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24879635_961235114039631_3921379674939221092_o.jpg ?oh=0f2e848aa0ea27f568ea9df837bc160c&oe=5AC5481D

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi 4: https://youtu.be/Ufp5SQ3yGM8

[itix]

exactly!

like always with testing videos, it is impossible to judge and know how fast someone is until we see the first stage times but it seems to me that he looked quite confident with the car?

but that can be misleading too.Well yeah... We just need to remember last season when everyone thought Citroen would be the strong team. Look how well that turned out.

We can probably make a better assessment this year because the teams will develop what they have and we have a fair idea what they are starting from.

I don't think Citroen will improve much for instance and even if they sort out their issues and become competitive they don't have any quick consistent drivers.

Toyota has a strong line up but questionable pace on some events. Have a chance if they can get their car more reliable.

Msport will likely have the most reliable car also next year but I can't help but wonder if they can keep up with development.

Hyundai is the favorite if they can sort out their reliability. They have the strongest budget, driver line up and quickest car (and I don't expect that to change). They have no excuses next year.

...but i might be 100 percent wrong. That's the fun bit about a new season. So many unknown factors.

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi by Zagatoi: https://youtu.be/IWBNA2p8Mgc

[EstWRC]

so much sideways compared to Tänak...different type of road of course.

[Andre Oliveira]

Lappi: https://youtu.be/j2toPlDN40A

[Marcco]

Well yeah... We just need to remember last season when everyone thought Citroen would be the strong team. Look how well that turned out.

We can probably make a better assessment this year because the teams will develop what they have and we have a fair idea what they are starting from.

I don't think Citroen will improve much for instance and even if they sort out their issues and become competitive they don't have any quick consistent drivers.

Toyota has a strong line up but questionable pace on some events. Have a chance if they can get their car more reliable.

Msport will likely have the most reliable car also next year but I can't help but wonder if they can keep up with development.

Hyundai is the favorite if they can sort out their reliability. They have the strongest budget, driver line up and quickest car (and I don't expect that to change). They have no excuses next year.

...but i might be 100 percent wrong. That's the fun bit about a new season. So many unknown factors.

About Citroen. I don't think it's quite true, because C3 actually was fast car out of the box, but it had, as Matton expressed, "limited operating window" issue.
So going back to testing videos, I think you can judge speed from a video, it's just that you see it on this specific road/conditions, but it doesn't mean the same will be on a rally stage.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

I also think next season the cars could be even closer in performance when they have their 2017 problems and reliability sorted out.

Malcolm Wilson agrees with me ! ;)

https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/news/rallying-news/wrc/wrc-title-fight-will-go-to-the-wire-in-2018/

[EstWRC]

Latvalas turn today


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQcLx5xVQAAhsAj.jpg



https://twitter.com/Bartolbia84/status/938732015444287488

[Andre Oliveira]

Tänak by Zagatoï: https://youtu.be/v9xYscLrd6k

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala: https://youtu.be/C3Rz0IbMZuE

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala 2: https://youtu.be/SAbH2l4nCr4

[EstWRC]

I hope to hear some comments soon from Tanak about his opinion of the Yaris and how it compares to the Fiesta.

His first words about the car at yesterdays estonian autosport union gala were something like this: "Some work to be done but you can do things with this beast" or like "there's a beast inside"...i cant do a good translation because it sounds weird even in estonian.

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala 3: https://youtu.be/TABzUB8NURE

[EstWRC]

Meeke https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcjp5R6FFOL/

[RICARDO75]

Kris Meeke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIoQYBt9PU&feature=em-uploademail

[EstWRC]

same place where Tänak tested last week

https://youtu.be/UMIoQYBt9PU?t=32

https://youtu.be/sM7ZIiJT5hA?t=57

[Reis Eduardo]

Meeke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuDbd0A1b4

[Andre Oliveira]

https://youtu.be/zpehP-zXVO4

Meeke by Anthony Bailet

[wrc2017]

stunning picture quality on some of them videos. i know it looked torrential rain.. but Meeke doesn't seem fully committed on those videos

[Fast Eddie WRC]

His first words about the car at yesterdays estonian autosport union gala were something like this: "Some work to be done but you can do things with this beast" or like "there's a beast inside"...i cant do a good translation because it sounds weird even in estonian.

Thanks... that sounds quite promising.

I expect him and the car to be quick, its just the car's reliability that needs to improve over last season.

[dimviii]

found this photo at French forum,seems he had a small off

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2017/post-1072-0-89565100-1513003561.jpg

[Rallyper]

Better off on testing, than ...

[dimviii]

if you watch properly the photo,seems like an roll?

[EstWRC]

Thanks... that sounds quite promising.

I expect him and the car to be quick, its just the car's reliability that needs to improve over last season.

and to add to that...Järveoja also saying the first impression was very positive and they just need to make some small adjustments to feel more comfortable in the car (seats, belts etc).


if the weather allows then next test around christmas time in Jyväskylä.

dimviii i think you maybe right, seems like a roll.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/citroenracing/posts/10155150111137057

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24991041_10155150109262057_9197468561027878695_n.j pg?oh=2e77124de6430af7335877d4d8a39161&oe=5A891ED1
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289341_10155150109607057_6568136632377880652_n.j pg?oh=b6362997413fd0f4370a8dc66d79f7a8&oe=5AC41838
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24900264_10155150110157057_2340318842685267867_n.j pg?oh=e56bf5b419202f3d56638f109177faa9&oe=5ACA936D

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke by RemMcrae: https://youtu.be/zw6EvDNffjA

[ESTR]

if you watch properly the photo,seems like an roll?

No surprise at all

[dimviii]

Meeke by RemMcrae: https://youtu.be/zw6EvDNffjA

This video has been removed by the user.

[wrc2017]

high risk of aquaplanning, melt water stream across road and heavy rain. car looks very low and no commitment through cuts.. fully off throttle... https://youtu.be/zpehP-zXVO4

[Andre Oliveira]

This video has been removed by the user.


Here now: https://youtu.be/KTV6kfuzmJU

[BigWorm]

New diffuser on that C3? Hard to see but for me but it looks more robust and not as wobbly anymore.

[nafpaktos]

Better off on testing, than ...

kris is not doing such discriminations

[Andre Oliveira]

Evans in white Red Bull livery, clip by Hugo Blancher: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/940499860314316800/pu/vid/1280x720/ZAYmtAKV5o7LeYvs.mp4

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1tdXCX4AMiEPP?format=jpg&name=900x900

[AnttiL]

That's also a big blue oval

[Rallyper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1tdXCX4AMiEPP?format=jpg&name=900x900

Honestly, a good looking car.

[EstWRC]

That's also a big blue oval

it has also been there previous seasons.


looks awesome in white with that red bull logo!


sure it is EVans? some saying in twitter it is Ogier.

[Watson]

I was just thinking on RBs youtube there is a video of Ogier testing and interviews in Finland. They were using the plain white testcar there. Maybe they wanna do a preaseason video with Ogier and Evans and have the car dressed more nicely for the purpose.

[dimviii]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bcl5V0mnnpS/

[Watson]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/wrc/artikel/d/2017/12/11/ogier-steigt-in-monte-testbetrieb-ein/

Seems like the Ford test must be Evans since this article says Ogier will test on the 13th and 14th. Furthermore, Ogier is quoted of saying that they are working on getting the handling more to his liking which means making the car edgier and reacting more drastically to inputs. According to him Evans also appreciates that sort of characteristic. He says that he doesn't know anything about the rumours that there will be a major upgrade in March but that he would of course welcome it. I think he is just keeping the cards close to his chest on that last note.

Does anyone know how long M-Sport will test in Monaco for? One would imagine the ominous third driver could do with some practice as well.

[AnttiL]

it has also been there previous seasons.

Right, didn't realize it has been there all along in the test car

[Tarmop]

Not all the time, but mostly yes.

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke: https://youtu.be/YhQW7Kv2zm4

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/hugo_blancher/status/940600302365036544

[RICARDO75]

Mikkelsen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_hCgn70UdQ

[dimviii]

Breen today testing,so Breen will do Monte
Citroën Racing a démarré ce lundi ses essais préparatoires au prochain Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo avec Kris Meeke qui a pris le volant de la C3Wrc avec des conditions difficiles sous des pluies torrentielles. Craig Breen reconduit dans les effectifs du Team en 2018 a enchainé ce mardi après-midi.
Read more at http://planetemarcus.com/citroen-demarre-ses-essais-wrc-monte-carlo-2018/#hTiRIL5HYfZQss2O.99

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3RCJvW4AUm80b.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3RC-YX0AI6lV8.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3RFcGWsAEMV6Y.jpg


https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/940637816899473408

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke and Breen: https://youtu.be/t_0djncN2gY

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Right, didn't realize it has been there all along in the test car

Not an M-Sport logo in sight either...

I guess Ford and Red Bull will be taking over the main sponsorship on the 2018 Fiesta... MS-RT making way for the money.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3pQwnUMAAQCvu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3pQwzV4AAOUKU.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3pQwwVwAEyXrP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ3pQwvVQAAurLD.jpg




https://twitter.com/ChristianWRC1/status/940664427602378752

[Andre Oliveira]

Mikkelsen by Anthony Baillet: https://youtu.be/N8rahMRkT9o

[EstWRC]

Breen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbKDzf1L5yE

[EstWRC]

Meeke and Breen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdn_whJbTE

[Andre Oliveira]

Another of Meeke/Breen: https://youtu.be/poCtQmWaQ3A

[Andre Oliveira]

Evans: https://youtu.be/4u4Fs5iLaks

[Andre Oliveira]

Evans by Rallye Chrono: https://youtu.be/g35Fv7L5jE8

[Andre Oliveira]

Evans by Zagatoï: https://youtu.be/hzFOv2eomhw

[EstWRC]

they should keep the livery just like it, looks awesome.

[Thousandlakes]

Anybody know if Ford made already new engine. This Fiesta sounds little different than 17 model. And what about other teams? Using new engines in monte testing? Regulations? Perhaps 400hp+ already ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Mikkelsen: https://youtu.be/1oImESUfDMI

[rs7]

Did you notice Mikkelsen's car has Toyota style mirrors?

[EstWRC]

not only, the rear looks also Toyota-like since wales IMO.


https://wrcwings.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/neuville-wales-rear-wheel-arch.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ6cd9yWkAISouM?format=jpg&name=large

[Andre Oliveira]

Mikkelsen: https://youtu.be/Yt2yIdkfWpk

[tomhlord]

Did you notice Mikkelsen's car has Toyota style mirrors?

Also, looks like one of them went missing at some point.

[Andre Oliveira]

So it is true thay Hyundai allready use it 2018 spec in GB as Nandan said and some user denied.

[mmm]

Still no aero updates on the Fiesta. Seems like resources are going into other parts of the car.

[Tarmop]

Well, at the moment i can`t say anything bad about their aero if they attatch that spoiler. All the other cars have had problems with it (apart from maybe Hyundai?).

[Watson]

Still no aero updates on the Fiesta. Seems like resources are going into other parts of the car.

They said they will use facilities in the US to develop aero-upgrades. That might take some time to set up. Hence maybe the rumours that the evolution of the car won't arrive before March.

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ6Z1XiW0AAJM_0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ6Z1X7XUAAR5or.jpg

[AnttiL]

The next step is renaming the car Hyundai Yaris WRC

[BigWorm]

The next step is renaming the car Hyundai Yaris WRC

...entered by Hyundai GAZOO?

[Andre Oliveira]

Mikkelsen: https://youtu.be/NuD_YxSXlHA

[ESTR]

I'm worried by the fact that they focus so much on aero. Sure is important but with so much problems in suspension section and not aero they will no have excuses if i20 will let them down again on tarmac events!!

[AnttiL]

I'm worried by the fact that they focus so much on aero. Sure is important but with so much problems in suspension section and not aero they will no have excuses if i20 will let them down again on tarmac events!!

Where did you get this fact that nothing is being done for the suspension?

[RICARDO75]

I'm worried by the fact that they focus so much on aero. Sure is important but with so much problems in suspension section and not aero they will no have excuses if i20 will let them down again on tarmac events!!

The new rear doesn't tell me anything about aerodynamics. It seems to me that is to release heat. There was one situation or another that the rear bumper melted in 1 or 2 rallies

[RICARDO75]

Craig Breen on dry conditions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXeykssi3GY&feature=em-uploademail

[tomhlord]

Looks to me that the Citroen is riding slightly higher up, especially at the rear, vs tarmac in 2017. Could be wrong?

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by Planetemarcus: https://youtu.be/swXrSEl3lb4

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by SudRallye: https://youtu.be/JlxWtOOB5Xc

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier: https://youtu.be/e4J9dSccqPI

[spiderem]

tricky conditions for Ogier? it looks like more sliding around than usual.

[RICARDO75]

Ogier by soundrallye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p-Vo8gAIFw&feature=em-uploademail

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo by PapaJulien: https://youtu.be/dDsw07gudbk

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Watching the PET's so far I think Tanak looks the most exciting... but then I guess it's more fun for him trying out a different car for the first time !

Mikkelsen also looked impressive and his i20 appeared very stable and easy to control.

Breen looked really on it too... he's so enthusiastic and loves every bit of rally and it shows.

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo by RivieiraRally.net: https://youtu.be/WLG6FgHWMSo

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by Zagatoï: https://youtu.be/v6yDlTJGoCU

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by RallyeChrono: https://youtu.be/tVZAsZRTwSA

[RICARDO75]

Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w59_0WLRNG0&feature=em-uploademail

[Andre Oliveira]

Meeke/Breen by Ludorallye: https://youtu.be/32z4gAGCSaQ

[EstWRC]

bone dry conditions for the teams this week, quite a contrast compared to last week when Toyota guys tested in full snow (Tänak day 1) and on icey/slippery tarmac.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/pg/GuillaumeGPhotographie/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1823386634550379

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24993515_1823789071176802_8418870122647868965_n.jp g?oh=0cf328650dbfeab8e2de5fd6182cc73a&oe=5AC3FB7B

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo by Nico Gusti: https://youtu.be/pZCLlFCykQY

[dimviii]

Scott Martin‏*
@scottmartinat
1st time testing the #C3WRC on typical MonteCarlo stages for Craig & I. Last time on the black stuff was WRC Germany! A good 2days in the car. No snow 4 us, but we for next time #WorkingHard

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by Ardeche Rallye Passion: https://youtu.be/1B65aR_srrk

[Andre Oliveira]

Sordo by Benjamin Azema: https://youtu.be/VBf0u4WLc7E

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10155913642868431&id=283672888430

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289479_10155913642993431_2584722133903458529_n.j pg?oh=d65c4257f6b7158d1bf5a58c589cb809&oe=5A8921EC
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25152129_10155913642848431_1385006452293155501_n.j pg?oh=cf4619dd9e0761aca5e0aba074c35119&oe=5AD588F6
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25158104_10155913642758431_7931865655020364757_n.j pg?oh=f517923247f28b5a5b738f3b9a626d2a&oe=5ABB32FB

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/eric.rochette.9/media_set?set=a.1809575039084577.1073741865.100000 962968815&type=3

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25152214_1809575589084522_977951290653472199_n.jpg ?oh=2a1b7e2c38d74b62e7036501e5745293&oe=5ACB9FA3
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25152149_1809576052417809_9170441599099280792_n.jp g?oh=414e8076494c23139b89f7129d5e940c&oe=5AD6A4A8
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25299533_1809596279082453_6256233964242289065_n.jp g?oh=9c2b31bc4e223f6e1342e80a524c0861&oe=5AD15644

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/BastienRouxPhotographie/posts/939885022836881

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/25182403_939885026170214_7721454618934318017_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=9be9a4dcf6fed991f8e29a802d77313a&oe=5ACECE08
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/25299569_939884886170228_454803995578208846_o.jpg? efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=c9b2de4f4d1975981ac348ba318ac064&oe=5ACC3B86
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/fr/cp0/e15/q65/25398162_939884819503568_2910500899479963564_o.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=1b3b8705eaa6a1c4818f1b4a2c87f17f&oe=5A8985BB

[dimviii]

from French forum

Small exit without concurrency this morning for Breen. Exactly in the same place as Meeke at the beginning of the week.


http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2017/post-716-0-02228200-1513193843.png


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ_sAypX4AAioyW.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ_sAymXUAA-Dt5.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier today again, pic of Nora Coline

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRAOj81XcAUBuSQ?format=jpg&name=large

[dimviii]

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25299522_805692299615667_8979293234331732482_n.jpg ?oh=0357fa07deaaa6a94663b1d27ac4a500&oe=5AD0CECC
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25395726_805692609615636_7754715758163480863_n.jpg ?oh=3e4f37d442bc4da8f26ddc66db05a0e5&oe=5AC329E9
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289367_805692602948970_5583070274070682168_n.jpg ?oh=d3423a250a0ffe6b1f1c900109711d85&oe=5AC46325
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25152146_805692296282334_5223002730096662892_n.jpg ?oh=1451761721ebfb49b2389e6fc0640230&oe=5AD3A9C1
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Maxbphotographies/photos/?tab=album&album_id=805691432949087

[Revman]

bone dry conditions for the teams this week, quite a contrast compared to last week when Toyota guys tested in full snow (Tänak day 1) and on icey/slippery tarmac.

Does this completely screw Toyota's data if Monte is dry in your opinion?

[Mirek]

They don't do only one day of testing. Usually they try to test all possible scenarios.

By the way that's why sometimes the test footage from RMC looks insanely slow - at a moment they might test an "all is wrong" scenario such as slicks on snow.

[Tarmop]

Probably will be back in January, now using those precious remaining test days from 2017 + queue.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier will test SSS’s tomorrow in Gap eheh

[Watson]

They don't do only one day of testing. Usually they try to test all possible scenarios.

By the way that's why sometimes the test footage from RMC looks insanely slow - at a moment they might test an "all is wrong" scenario such as slicks on snow.

Besides it is unlikely that it will be bone dry in the French alps at the end of January.

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier in fog: https://youtu.be/VLTiqD46kBk

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by PapaJulien: https://youtu.be/6nXZAtOFnts

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/BastienRouxPhotographie/posts/940473846111332

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25152273_940473846111332_2515018363679673317_n.jpg ?oh=4d870c9f91090a97b41f01561947c4aa&oe=5AC91A94
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289326_940473742778009_7711389617784328270_n.jpg ?oh=1e8942825835d3b2b0cd2da220c1a4ae&oe=5ACDE404
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25348727_940473976111319_1952824966623603134_n.jpg ?oh=b66fefb2fd97ed96134fd86360780d9c&oe=5AD64FE1

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by Rivierarally.net: https://youtu.be/r4KXv1qq17M

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by Rallye Monte-Carlo: https://youtu.be/OlWdAY8uEs8

[EstWRC]

Neuville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9-TIqTEUbc

[Zeakiwi]

What is the glow under the front left of Neuville's front airdam? Is it a laser measuring system for ride height/ suspension assessment/ calibration?

[dimviii]

Neuville by Rallye Monte-Carlo: https://youtu.be/OlWdAY8uEs8

misfire at first plan.

[dimviii]

What is the glow under the front left of Neuville's front airdam? Is it a laser measuring system for ride height/ suspension assessment/ calibration?

yes.
https://www.kistler.com/en/product/type-cl350a/

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by cookrallye: https://youtu.be/4mGGdGY13N0

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRCDfj8W0AAhYkO?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRCDi9vX0AAjvdC?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

Ogier by Rallye Gard-Lozere: https://youtu.be/l32I6jh1ev8

[Andre Oliveira]

https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25348387_1959616104067807_3857803656345228356_n.jp g?oh=6a01a86e8b22386cca1eb7c06280172e&oe=5A8D0391
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25289624_1959616180734466_6317178786633871785_n.jp g?oh=7ac255fc364c9fd976a1c532eaf1745f&oe=5A8D7242
https://scontent.flis8-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/25353799_1959616217401129_3073155786756256569_n.jp g?oh=beac38e64aa7df2f763eaf4b856a0ca4&oe=5ABB1B08

[nafpaktos]

yes.
https://www.kistler.com/en/product/type-cl350a/

I thought it was to measure the speed.

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by RemMcrae: https://youtu.be/5Yq9qWtsEtg

[EstWRC]

Ogier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUxxUd08UI

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by stephwrc: https://youtu.be/4N294KODhq4

[Andre Oliveira]

Neuville by Checkpoint Rallye: https://youtu.be/8zt3-kaS3kM

[dimviii]

Traxx - WR is Free‏*


New diff on the WRC 2018 i20 tried this week. An evo awaited with impatience by Dani Sordo http://bit.ly/2BnNbdJ

[dimviii]

"A golden opportunity with the C3 WRC"
December 14, 2017



The practice sessions are always a source of surprises for both the teams and the spectators. This week in the Hautes-Alpes, Alexandre Coria, co-pilot since 2015, had the incredible opportunity to climb alongside Kris Meeke in the C3 WRC for a test session.

Arrived as a spectator in the early morning with a friend, Alexander quickly learned the unavailability of Paul Nagle, usual copilot of Kris Meeke, blocked in London because of inclement weather. Asked by Sandrine Carminati, responsible for closing the roads on these tests, the name of Alexander was quickly mentioned in the Citroën clan.
Former participant in the JWRC alongside Vincent Dubert, Alexandre had already been able to rub shoulders with the Citroën Racing family and the green light was given to him around 13h after some formalities.
"Before starting the first runs, the team explained the operation of some buttons in case of problems. My role in the afternoon was to accompany Kris on every run to have an identical performance base throughout the day. Although he did not need any notes because he knew the base very well, we had some technical exchanges, especially about tires and conditions.
If the conditions were very wet, we still had a feeling of Monte Carlo with very cool temperatures and fog at the end of the day. We were able to ride with all the tires offered by Michelin.
Kris is a frankly very approachable and friendly guy, I quickly became confident with him. I quickly understood why he was one of the fastest drivers in the championship. Regarding the car, I was really impressed by the efficiency of the chassis, it seems that there is no limit, the car seems very bright to what I knew ( the R5 in particular). As for the impression of power and brakes, it was less impressive than the chassis, but it was still magical. In the end, we made about fifteen runs and more than 80 kilometers. It was really a fantastic and unforgettable day. Alexander told us after this day.
Descended from this Citroen C3 WRC after a dreamy afternoon, Alexandre will find more usual cars in 2018 with a program in France.

By Julien R.

https://www.rallye-sport.fr/opportunite-or-c3-wrc2/

[EstWRC]

Tänak: "Monte test was in difficult conditions, it was hard to understand the car. Those conditions didnt give me whole picture about the car and if you look at it, the technical solutions are little bit different: active diffs, mechanical diffs and geometry. The car is built with different perspective in mind which isnt bad, it is positive but the car is handling differently and we have to test more to understand how i exactly have to drive it. But in general the first impression is positive, it is not a difficult car to drive"

[EstWRC]

Tänak testing for sweden https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/942718961266905088

[er88]

You'd hope Citroen get their asses over there for some proper testing too. A day each for Meeke and Breen probably isn't going to cut it.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[pantealex]

Quite interesting that Tänak is 1st to test for Sweden.
There are many videos in twitter from today.

[Tarmop]

What`s interesting? He has the less amount of mileage in the car, so quite logical (plus he isn`t local and it`s Christmas.:D).

[ESTR]

I assume he need more mileage in that car.

[pantealex]

What`s interesting? He has the less amount of mileage in the car, so quite logical (plus he isn`t local and it`s Christmas.:D).

Would be easier for him if JM/EP had done basic set-up ready, OTT has no time to waste.

[Tarmop]

Well, that car has already competed and won in Sweden so they already have quite a good base to modify according to his driving.

[AnttiL]

Would be easier for him if JM/EP had done basic set-up ready, OTT has no time to waste.

I think they already have a good basic setup

[Hartusvuori]

Quite interesting that Tänak is 1st to test for Sweden.
There are many videos in twitter from today.

How many?

[EstWRC]

well here is another one from you :D https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/942758128411541504



some more clips from this user https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/942743748215300098
https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/942735353919746050
https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/942728958763823105

[pantealex]

How many?

5 ;)

[EstWRC]

someone has also uploaded the video to youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_irN2UloIOU

if you pause at 0:07, they have gone back to old frontal air inlet? actually it seems like a mix of old and new one.

[EstWRC]

Photos of Tänak today https://twitter.com/rallyparadise/status/943112043632226304


They have indeed made some changes with frontal air inlet

[pantealex]

That car has all official WRC stickers in windscreen...

Both Monte and Sweden may have snowbanks, so maybe they start using "new" aero after those two.

[EstWRC]

Maybe? It’s the old front actually. But they tested with the new one for Monte. Maybe because Sweden is colder they don’t need that new larger air inlet?

[pantealex]

Maybe? It’s the old front actually. But they tested with the new one for Monte. Maybe because Sweden is colder they don’t need that new larger air inlet?

They don´t want snow inside "cooler"

"Rallirinki" also noticed new small aero pieces in front of door mirrors

[RICARDO75]

New video from Rally Paradise with Tänak test in Finland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9s0rucu9Mg

[pantealex]

https://wrcwings.wordpress.com/2017/12/19/minimal-modifications-in-wrc-december-tests/

If I understand correctly that site is dedicated to aerodynamics.

[EstWRC]

nice longer vid of Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS0Kjrfmh_0

[racerx1979]

https://wrcwings.wordpress.com/2017/12/19/minimal-modifications-in-wrc-december-tests/

If I understand correctly that site is dedicated to aerodynamics.

Interesting how Hyundai basically copied Toyota's radical mirror design.. Could not be more obvious. Surprised Toyota does not have a patent on such a unique design feature.

[Mirek]

Interesting how Hyundai basically copied Toyota's radical mirror design.. Could not be more obvious. Surprised Toyota does not have a patent on such a unique design feature.

First of all normally it takes around two years before patent application is granted and published which is way too long for motorsport. And then from my experience in automotive R&D the large companies don't pay for most of the patents. They use them as a lever on another patent holders so that in the end they trade using patents without actually paying something. The downside of that is that they tend to patent nearly everything with very vague description...

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala: https://youtu.be/gdck2fFLo8w

[Andre Oliveira]

Mix Ogier / Evans by Zagatoï: https://youtu.be/gPMLhz4bDhM

[dimviii]

Lappi
https://youtu.be/Ufp5SQ3yGM8

[jiipee64]

Latvala today

https://twitter.com/64peejii/status/943502120724193281

and tonight...

https://twitter.com/64peejii/status/943502258775437312

[EstWRC]

Lappi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXcGVk_b7w

[pantealex]

Lappi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXcGVk_b7w

No stickers in windshield, and no lights in frontbumber.

[RICARDO75]

one more video with Lappi testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBExKa1hGiI&feature=em-uploademail

[racerx1979]

First of all normally it takes around two years before patent application is granted and published which is way too long for motorsport. And then from my experience in automotive R&D the large companies don't pay for most of the patents. They use them as a lever on another patent holders so that in the end they trade using patents without actually paying something. The downside of that is that they tend to patent nearly everything with very vague description...

Ironically I'm an patent attorney registered to practice in both AUS and US. A few years ago, yes it would take a year or longer to get a patent filed. It all depends on the entity who is filing the patent. Small entities (solo inventors) do not get any priority. Some of the firms in the US actually are close to the patent examiners in DC so I have seen design patents get filed in less than one year.

The new rules for the USPTO and PCT now have a "first to file application" which basically gives rights to the first person to file their invention. In this case if Toyota were to file a patent on their mirror they would have rights to their design even if it is copied a few months after. It probably is not worth it, but it was such a novel design I can see all the other teams copying their idea. Who knows, you might see this for hyper cars too...

I've actually filed several patents for powersport companies such as Ohlins (motorcross applications) and a few US powersport companies. You would be surprised how tech is copied from motorsport and applied to everyday use. Ohlins and Custom Cages have filed a few utility patents on motorsport applications which were later copied by competitors. They didn't earn millions, but it was a decent amount.

Ford of USA, BMW and VWAG are good examples of companies who file patents galore. You can see some of their crazy filings by doing a search using google patents.

Is it worth it for Toyota... probably not, but it was a cool design for sure. I agree not all motorsport ideas are worth protecting, but the good ones are.

[Mirek]

Actually I am listed as a co-inventor in two recent patent applications in Europe so I will see myself how long will it take. Anyway thanks for the reply.

[Revman]

Latvala: https://youtu.be/gdck2fFLo8w

Is the chirping under braking a pop off valve or part of the braking system?

[NickRally]

racerx1979 out of curiosity, how would you word your patent application on the Toyota mirrors?
I personnaly do not see it novel at all, for example comparing it to the F1 car mirrors, i.e. using the mirror stays for air flow management.

[Mirek]

Is the chirping under braking a pop off valve or part of the braking system?

If I am not mistaken this is sound of blow-off valve, i.e. the valve which opens when the throttle valve is closed and when the turbo presses the air against the wall (and by that it would normally slow down/stop itself creating a massive lag).

[racerx1979]

Actually I am listed as a co-inventor in two recent patent applications in Europe so I will see myself how long will it take. Anyway thanks for the reply.

That is awesome! Congrats and best of luck. I think thr European system is a lot better than the US system.

You’re on the right end of the stick for sure. I’ve written many applications but never been listed as an inventor even when helping clients with design. I’ll hopefully file a few patents of my own in the near future.

[racerx1979]

racerx1979 out of curiosity, how would you word your patent application on the Toyota mirrors?
I personnaly do not see it novel at all, for example comparing it to the F1 car mirrors, i.e. using the mirror stays for air flow management.

A design patent in conjunction with a utility patent is the best IMO. For design patents it’s all about the design of the object. Drawings are key in this case. You can make several versions of the design and some very simplified drawings to cover every aspect of the design. This prevents any copies which are similar. When we used to file designs for an eye wear company we would file 6-8 different versions of their sunglass designs. This was the only way they could fight against sneaky counterfeiters who would slightly change the design hoping they could get around the patent. Didn’t work! Mainly because they had a strong design patent and a strong legal team :). That being said any monkey can file a patent. Protecting it is where money comes in. If you’re a large entity nobody will mess with you...


If you look at the Hyundai mirror from ten feet away and then look at the Toyota you see no difference. Toyota could have easily prevented Hyundai from copying their mirror design with a good design patent which includes several embodiments. The utility patent might be able to protect th function, but we all know the function is not novel unless Toyota has something others don’t. In the end it’s probably not worth it, but a good design patent would cost 5k and might force Hyundai to choose a completely different design.... but I’m sure Toyota could care less as mirrors do not win races.

I just though it was a unique design and to see Hyundai doing the same is kind of funny to me...

Anyways let’s move this to another thread since this about tests and I don’t want to ruin this great thread with boring ass patent talk.

[Mrpengski]

A design patent in conjunction with a utility patent is the best IMO. For design patents it’s all about the design of the object. Drawings are key in this case. You can make several versions of the design and some very simplified drawings to cover every aspect of the design. This prevents any copies which are similar. When we used to file designs for an eye wear company we would file 6-8 different versions of their sunglass designs. This was the only way they could fight against sneaky counterfeiters who would slightly change the design hoping they could get around the patent. Didn’t work! Mainly because they had a strong design patent and a strong legal team :). That being said any monkey can file a patent. Protecting it is where money comes in. If you’re a large entity nobody will mess with you...


If you look at the Hyundai mirror from ten feet away and then look at the Toyota you see no difference. Toyota could have easily prevented Hyundai from copying their mirror design with a good design patent which includes several embodiments. The utility patent might be able to protect th function, but we all know the function is not novel unless Toyota has something others don’t. In the end it’s probably not worth it, but a good design patent would cost 5k and might force Hyundai to choose a completely different design.... but I’m sure Toyota could care less as mirrors do not win races.

I just though it was a unique design and to see Hyundai doing the same is kind of funny to me...

Anyways let’s move this to another thread since this about tests and I don’t want to ruin this great thread with boring ass patent talk.

I can appreciate your professional background and therefore you could be looking at the "Toyota" mirrors from a certain perspective. But keep in mind that this style of mirror was run on DTM cars long before WRC 2017. And by next year all GT cars would have the same. So by far it's not a unique design by anyone. We did do a CFD study of this design before 2017 but thought it was pushing the rules a bit too much; Toyota went ahead with it and was allowed to run with a small modification by removing the slot, as I understand. They did it again (pushing the rules) for the 2018 front end, and I say well done to them.

It does bring an interesting point about patents in motorsport. I think the main problem is, no matter how fast the process, by the time something is protected by the patent, it's already yesterday's news. Also, could one really justify the novelty of a winglet or some aero device because it pushes the air a bit this way rather than that way...? I hope not. I do believe Renault or McLaren patented their inerter design a while ago; Nick can you comment?

One thing to keep in mind about all these "aero developments" in WRC is that, by the time you put a hatchback shape in the wind tunnel/CFD and run a thousand iterations, you would find there are really only one or two optimum ways to deal with the air. Give it a few more updates and all the cars will look exactly the same! Convergence baby!

[racerx1979]

I’m definitely looking at this from a biased perspective and also agree with your thoughts. I did notice similar designs for DTM and F1 cars. It’s nice to see companies like Toyota taking the leap in aero for rally cars and seeing others follow suite.

Thank you for your response!

[EstWRC]

anyone knows when the teams will be testing again? next week or after the season launch at autosport show?

[rs7]

ERR sport said that Tänak will test 2.january in South France

[SubaruNorway]

Don't think this of Lappi snow testing has been posted.
https://youtu.be/OQVNF2Vmlgo

[EstWRC]

Toyota testing today...dunno who exactly at the moment but i guess it is Tänak.

[EstWRC]

IT is latvala https://twitter.com/traxx_wif/status/949209385171025925


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSxIMuqX4AAhihh.jpg


https://twitter.com/hugo_blancher/status/949213120165183488

[liposh]

So finally they reduced the radiator hole to dimensions very similar to last year. I know they were testing various front ends so this seems to be the final one. Do you think they reduced the hole because of case of small accident to front end? Or what can be the reason?

[EstWRC]

dunno, im surprised too that they have gone back to the old smaller one because i think i read somewhere that many problems were caused because of the small radiator dimensions?

and the new one looked so much nicer, this looks just hideous.:p

[TheFlyingTuga]

So finally they reduced the radiator hole to dimensions very similar to last year. I know they were testing various front ends so this seems to be the final one. Do you think they reduced the hole because of case of small accident to front end? Or what can be the reason?

It's seems to me that they have some kind of plaques blocking the sides of the radiator colling, because I read that they are tunnels for brake colling. Maybe not usefull in this conditions, since you cannot cool the brakes to much.~

EDIT:

They are blocked

https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219395_1983542905008460_3508516490159020871_n.jp g?oh=9a4c6b2a836eb5de683236246171b729&oe=5AF361EC

[EstWRC]

little clip of Latvala https://twitter.com/hugo_blancher/status/949236154766954497

[rallyfiend]

WRC+ All Live sticker on the windscreen.

Seems the rumours of every stage being done live are true.

[Eli]

WRC+ All Live sticker on the windscreen.

Seems the rumors of every stage being done live are true.

What rumors????

[Tarmop]

Well, every stage is already and has been live for a long time...gps, splits etc.

[ESTR]

Don't believe a thing.. Maybe true that all live because of timing, but no for live coverage..

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala by Anthony Bailet: https://youtu.be/XqN725pNe4k

[Andre Oliveira]

Latvala by Rallye Lumy 13: https://youtu.be/L7CJVUmUgeA