WRC Testing [Archive] - Page 26

J_n_z

6th December 2016, 18:36

Completely new rear end: wing, diffuser, mudguard air ducts.

Call me stupid, but to me this car looks promising. On past videos it was rarely pushed to the limit but it never looked nervous or permanently weird behaving. There was some doubtfull cornering but it depends a lot on diff. maping.

Specialy the aero of the yaris looks far more forward thinking than ford or even C3, i20 it far behind with its bigger ground clearance.

tc10a

6th December 2016, 19:40

Another little clip from Yaris
https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/posts/10153981814515404

Looks completely different to the last videos - in a positive way.

dimviii

6th December 2016, 20:33

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2016/post-1812-0-21188400-1481048880.png

Mirek

6th December 2016, 20:37

That looks like completely diffferent base bodyshell. I mean likely new generation of stock car here.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQn6p4kzSgth6rG6N3sYv7lA2kqmRdiA CIYCWoM8psD-P9waVTVWA

dimviii

6th December 2016, 20:40

That looks like completely diffferent base bodyshell. I mean likely new generation of stock car here.

yes rear door seems completely different

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxf4nByWgAAMjJD.jpg

driveace

6th December 2016, 20:43

So Jari-Matti confirmed at toyota
Has Ogier decided yet ?
And who for Ford ?

Rally Power

6th December 2016, 20:54

[QUOTE=dimviii;1116034]yes rear door seems completely different

Same base car. New Yaris only to be released in late '17. Car looks different because of the side protection.

Mirek

6th December 2016, 20:58

You can clearly see completely different rear lights in-line with the other latest Toyota models. It's at least a facelift.

dimviii

6th December 2016, 20:59

I mean the back door,not the rear side doors.If you watch carefully under the camouflage at the last photo, the rear left tail light seems to be completely different from now existing yaris.

Rally Power

6th December 2016, 21:05

In a few days we'll see it clearly.

pantealex

6th December 2016, 21:12

As I have said many times: It´s different than current 2016 road model.

dimviii

6th December 2016, 21:15

As I have said many times: It´s different than current 2016 road model.

yes but how can be different when the stock yaris will released much later than wrc yaris?

Mirek

6th December 2016, 21:17

Maybe some exception from the usual homologation rules? IMO Fiesta can not reach 20 thousand pieces @ 1st January as well.

itix

6th December 2016, 21:26

Not the prettiest rear spoiler

Steve
Agree... The Toyota is now shared last with Msport on my (all important world changing *ahum*) looks list.

Maybe some exception from the usual homologation rules? IMO Fiesta can not reach 20 thousand pieces @ 1st January as well.

Would that be the first such exception? I have never heard of it before and Hyundai were forced to run the 5 door version because of this issue exactly.

Rallyper

6th December 2016, 21:56

Remember new 2017 rules.

Mirek

6th December 2016, 22:24

This plus it's just politics after all . One can expect that FIA and the promoter encourage the manus in various ways.

pantealex

7th December 2016, 08:43

yes but how can be different when the stock yaris will released much later than wrc yaris?

Yaris is bit different in Europe, Asia and America. They have never said that they will use european one.

tomhlord

7th December 2016, 10:36

You can clearly see completely different rear lights in-line with the other latest Toyota models. It's at least a facelift.

As I have said many times: It´s different than current 2016 road model.

Agreed. I believe that the 'next' roadgoing Yaris, for the EU at least, will be a heavily revised version of the existing platform.

i.e. 'new' Avensis has different sheet metal and dashboard, but actually dates back to 2009.

Thus, the Toyota WRC car was built upon the current spec road car, but now they seem to be adding new panels from the next road car, due to be launched soon/early 2017.

Jack4688`

7th December 2016, 12:58

Yaris is bit different in Europe, Asia and America. They have never said that they will use european one.

As far as I can tell the North American one is only sold as a 4 door sedan, so it's not that one.
In Japan it's more or less the same but called 'Vitz'.
In some Asian markets they sell this (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Toyota_Yaris_1.5E_GL_2014_%2814312824277%29.jpg), which it clearly isn't. Rear View:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Toyota_Yaris_L_rear.jpg

As Mirek pointed out it looks more likely to be the 'new' (looks more like a heavy facelift) Yaris.

No mention here (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/yaris/97562/next-generation-toyota-yaris-hatch-spotted-on-test) that it's based on the current one but the window line suggests it is, rather than an all-new model

dimviii

7th December 2016, 15:06

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/41499_Sans_titre.png

Rally Power

7th December 2016, 15:20

No mention here (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/yaris/97562/next-generation-toyota-yaris-hatch-spotted-on-test) that it's based on the current one but the window line suggests it is, rather than an all-new model

Come on guys, take a closer look. The rear seems different due to the new wing design. It’s now attached under the glass (not on C pillars like it used to be) by a large panel that must have also some aero effect. The rear lights are almost covered by the bumper deflectors, but those are a bit shorter on the top to give space to them.

https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15319243_10154359883358952_5322420626370017509_n.j pg?oh=15003d94f4a7de54b3cea9caf5e56d5f&oe=58C047F0
Photo: https://www.facebook.com/RallyChePassione/?ref=page_internal

The Yaris WRC is based on the European and Japanese (5 door Vitz) model that was face lifted a couple of years ago, using a Yago look. The former TMG proto used a pre restyle body, but the TGR car (like the new Vitz AP4 rally car) uses the restyled one under heavy camo. A new Yaris is only expected to appear on late ’17 (the Auto Express images are probably 3 or 4 years old and came from the facelift testing model!).

https://files.graphiq.com/4315/media/images/2015_Toyota_Yaris_2-door_Hatchback_7844886.jpg

Btw, that Yaris L version it’s not sold in Japan and is a joint venture with Asian partners. It’s also sold in South America.

tomhlord

7th December 2016, 15:28

Come on guys, take a closer look. The rear seems different due to the new wing design. It’s now attached under the glass (not on C pillars like it used to be) by a large panel that must have also some aero effect. The rear lights are almost covered by the bumper deflectors, but those are a bit shorter on the top to give space to them.

https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15319243_10154359883358952_5322420626370017509_n.j pg?oh=15003d94f4a7de54b3cea9caf5e56d5f&oe=58C047F0
Photo: https://www.facebook.com/RallyChePassione/?ref=page_internal

The Yaris WRC is based on the European and Japanese (5 door Vitz) model that was face lifted a couple of years ago, using a Yago look. The former TMG proto used a pre restyle body, but the TGR car (like the new Vitz AP4 rally car) uses the restyled one under heavy camo. A new Yaris is only expected to appear on late ’17 (the Auto Express images are probably 3 or 4 years old and came from the facelift testing model!).

https://files.graphiq.com/4315/media/images/2015_Toyota_Yaris_2-door_Hatchback_7844886.jpg

Btw, that Yaris L version it’s not sold in Japan and is a joint venture with Asian partners. It’s also sold in South America.

Sorry, you are way off. This is the new Yaris, heavily facelifted and due for reveal soon-ish.

As terrible as my Photoshopping is, it's a different panel and different light design.

You shall see soon.

dimviii

7th December 2016, 15:37

at the photos posted by tomhlord,you can see that the car with the new rear aero,is impossible to have fitted the rear lights from the white one car.There is no space for these tail lights due to taller fins has the new car beside the rear wheel.At white car these fins are not so high,so there is space for the rear light.
Fins ends much higher at new car,higher from the upper part of wheel,at white car fins ends at same height as wheel upper part.

liposh

7th December 2016, 15:38

For sure it is NOT only camouflage. The rear is really different. Maybe there are two teams. First one is working on 2017 WRC and second one is working on 2018 WRC (Hyundai did it in past too). I don´t know where is the truth, there are many possibilities.

Doon

7th December 2016, 15:57

Why are Toyota making the WRC cars RHD?

wia5958

7th December 2016, 16:44

Tailgate also has different lines along the rear window and the number plate area looks totally different rear

Rally Power

7th December 2016, 16:49

Sorry, you are way off. This is the new Yaris, heavily facelifted and due for reveal soon-ish.
As terrible as my Photoshopping is, it's a different panel and different light design.
You shall see soon.

Ok, I won’t be too much stubborn as in a few days we’ll see it clearly, but the strange panel that’s inside the red circle you draw is part of the aero kit, linking the big wing to the rear door. Btw, the proto overall shape is still exactly the same of the current road car and no restyling is expected because the new road car will be a totally new one (the current was born in 2010 and got facelift in 2014).

https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15267929_10154358887693952_5062311943135857226_n.j pg?oh=7780cfb1ca1bf5c8c220b6e8eeea30bf&oe=58AE7570
Photo: https://www.facebook.com/RallyChePassione/?ref=page_internal

https://files.graphiq.com/4315/media/images/2015_Toyota_Yaris_2-door_Hatchback_7844886.jpg

RICARDO75

7th December 2016, 17:21

Toyota released a new Yaris sedan. The rear lines have something similar with the new prototype

dimviii

7th December 2016, 17:43

Toyota released a new Yaris sedan. The rear lines have something similar with the new prototype

that's exactly what I was talking

tomhlord

7th December 2016, 17:48

Ok, I won’t be too much stubborn as in a few days we’ll see it clearly, but the strange panel that’s inside the red circle you draw is part of the aero kit, linking the big wing to the rear door. Btw, the proto overall shape is still exactly the same of the current road car and no restyling is expected because the new road car will be a totally new one (the current was born in 2010 and got facelift in 2014).

https://scontent.fopo1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15267929_10154358887693952_5062311943135857226_n.j pg?oh=7780cfb1ca1bf5c8c220b6e8eeea30bf&oe=58AE7570
Photo: https://www.facebook.com/RallyChePassione/?ref=page_internal

https://files.graphiq.com/4315/media/images/2015_Toyota_Yaris_2-door_Hatchback_7844886.jpg

True, I see what you are saying and we'll see in Monte. But I believe that the 2017 Yaris is not actually going to be 'totally' new, but another (heavy) facelift of the current platform. That would make sense and allow TMR to create the car on the current Yaris, before adding the newly updated body panels alongside aero updates as they go along.

I could be spouting gibberish :) It could also be a new part for a 2018 too, as others have suggested.

Rally Power

7th December 2016, 18:44

Toyota released a new Yaris sedan. The rear lines have something similar with the new prototype

That "Yaris" sedan has nothing to do with this, believe me. It's a rebadged Mazda 2 sold in North America, first under the former Scion brand, but once there's no Scion's any more it's now a Toyota...
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacturer/toyota/2016-toyota-yaris-sedan-review

denkimi

7th December 2016, 19:49

Why are Toyota making the WRC cars RHD?

they don't.

Doon

7th December 2016, 20:27

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/41499_Sans_titre.png

This one is RHD.

liposh

7th December 2016, 20:35

No, it is not :D For a short while I also thought it is RHD, but it is optical illusion.

Mirek

7th December 2016, 21:04

Yes, you are right. That's LHD. The steering column tubes are clearly on the left side even though the steering wheel itself looks like on the right side.

danon

7th December 2016, 21:23

https://s5.postimg.org/6ctr7mdtz/lhd.jpg

Doon

7th December 2016, 23:12

Ah yeah, my eyes were playing tricks on me!

itix

8th December 2016, 00:22

Ah yeah, my eyes were playing tricks on me!
This thing is beyond hideous... Sorry Msport, move over. There is a new ugliest champion in town!

sollitt

8th December 2016, 01:25

The former TMG proto used a pre restyle body, but the TGR car (like the new Vitz AP4 rally car) uses the restyled one under heavy camo. ....There is not a Vitz AP4 .

Grundo Farb

8th December 2016, 02:03

There is not a Vitz AP4 .

Yes there is. In Japan. It ran in the APRC Japan round.

TheFlyingTuga

8th December 2016, 02:37

There is not a Vitz AP4 .

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs4NaWlUMAAOu7E.jpg

Seems that the body is from one of the South Africa S2000 car's, as the TMG prototype was.

sollitt

8th December 2016, 04:05

Japanese produced hybrid I believe. Not to AP4 regs.

pantealex

8th December 2016, 11:33

Japanese produced hybrid I believe. Not to AP4 regs.

Look front bumper: AP4

Rally Power

8th December 2016, 15:11

Yep, no Japanese produced hybrid at all, that Vitz is developed by Cusco Racing straight under AP4 regs: http://fiaaprc.com/2016/03/cusco-expand-2016/
Detail pics and more info (good luck with translation…): https://www.webcartop.jp/2016/10/51821

jbmarcus21

8th December 2016, 15:19

Latvala testing Yaris Wrc 2017 in Corsica today => http://bit.ly/2gewOBs

dimviii

8th December 2016, 15:20

Latvala testing Yaris at Corsica

http://planetemarcus.com/latvala-en-essais-avec-la-toyota-yaris-wrc-2017/

dimviii

8th December 2016, 17:30

yaris from Corsica
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNumfu5BkLv/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNpQN2hBi05/?taken-by=ste_conti

jbmarcus21

8th December 2016, 18:05

JML with hiw new colors => http://bit.ly/2gewOBs

dimviii

8th December 2016, 19:18

more photos from Latvala test
http://planetemarcus.com/latvala-en-essais-avec-la-toyota-yaris-wrc-2017/

sollitt

8th December 2016, 22:06

Look front bumper: AP4I could call myself Janet Jackson if I wanted ... even tattoo it on my forehead. It doesn't make me Janet Jackson. I'm the wrong colour, haven't got the right bits and can't sing.

Yep, no Japanese produced hybrid at all, that Vitz is developed by Cusco Racing straight under AP4 regs: http://fiaaprc.com/2016/03/cusco-expand-2016/
Detail pics and more info (good luck with translation…): https://www.webcartop.jp/2016/10/51821

AP4 is a NZ initiative which was adopted by the Australians quite late in the piece. It is a technical specification for a category of car which is very detailed and contains a controlled build process and a number of controlled components.

This following passage is lifted directly out of the regulations;

"An AP4 Rally Car may be built in New Zealand or Australia to the specifications detailed in PART TWO of these regulations or purchased in part or as a complete car
(refer below). Cars built locally are subject to the bodyshell platform and safety cage being fabricated by an ‘approved constructor’ and common ‘control parts’ being
supplied through the nominated companies as detailed in PART THREE of these regulations. "

The regulations require that a substantial part of the car is built on an authorised jig, of which there is presently only one anywhere in the world, and by an approved builder, of which none are in Japan.
Unless the initial stages of construction of that car occurred in NZ, the car is not an AP4.

EstWRC

8th December 2016, 22:08

Latvala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD6zr5nqTg4

MartijnS

8th December 2016, 22:20

Looks better than all test videos of Toyota so far!

Francis44

8th December 2016, 22:41

Latvala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kD6zr5nqTg4

Perhaps it was because must footage was shot on fast places but I must say the car is starting to look faster and faster.

Franky

8th December 2016, 22:46

Possibly a more advanced engine from TMG?

Rollo

8th December 2016, 22:54

I could call myself Janet Jackson if I wanted ... even tattoo it on my forehead. It doesn't make me Janet Jackson. I'm the wrong colour, haven't got the right bits and can't sing.

Hello Michael.

Toyoda

8th December 2016, 22:58

Possibly a more advanced engine from TMG?

Combination of everything,

Better driver, ideal conditions, better aero- more grip/downforce, better engine one would imagine, still looks soft though which will mean problems in less ideal conditions potentially.

smsgrafica

8th December 2016, 23:50

It starts to look like a proper rally car.

Grundo Farb

9th December 2016, 00:47

I could call myself Janet Jackson if I wanted ... even tattoo it on my forehead. It doesn't make me Janet Jackson. I'm the wrong colour, haven't got the right bits and can't sing.

AP4 is a NZ initiative which was adopted by the Australians quite late in the piece. It is a technical specification for a category of car which is very detailed and contains a controlled build process and a number of controlled components.

This following passage is lifted directly out of the regulations;

"An AP4 Rally Car may be built in New Zealand or Australia to the specifications detailed in PART TWO of these regulations or purchased in part or as a complete car
(refer below). Cars built locally are subject to the bodyshell platform and safety cage being fabricated by an ‘approved constructor’ and common ‘control parts’ being
supplied through the nominated companies as detailed in PART THREE of these regulations. "

The regulations require that a substantial part of the car is built on an authorised jig, of which there is presently only one anywhere in the world, and by an approved builder, of which none are in Japan.
Unless the initial stages of construction of that car occurred in NZ, the car is not an AP4.

Or you are just wrong.

The FIAPRC website quotes the team, quoting the AP4 regulations in their press release. If your only call on it to be a 'hybrid' is that the jig in question wasn't one in NZ in an AP4 'approved' builder then that's being pedantic.

If they build to the regs, its an AP4.

For Rally Whangarei this year.

"Of the few eligible AP4 cars already running is a Peugeot 208 Maxi Rally imported in to Australia by Racetorque from Argentina, which is fitted with a 34mm turbo restrictor (R5 cars are limited to 32mm) while another car is in preparation and due to appear at the Rally of Queensland in Australia (APRC round 2, middle of June)."

RICARDO75

9th December 2016, 18:35

Hänninen test in Corsica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSICHIQKht0&feature=em-uploademail

Thousandlakes

9th December 2016, 19:45

Sounds and bangs good. Some nice flames also. Maybe new generation of engine?

sollitt

9th December 2016, 22:35

Or you are just wrong.I would be the first to admit if I was wrong. However I'm not.

It's not about being pedantic. It's simply whether the regulations and correct processes are applied/adhered to. If not, the car cannot be what it is purported to be.

Page 2 - STEP 3: Decide upon which of the ‘approved constructors’ (detailed in PART THREE) you wish to use. From here you will discuss with them directly, the mandatory
modification / fabrication work (which must be entrusted with them)...

The only exception is, as you raised in your quoted press release, the Argentinean Maxi car, either built by Racetorque or their authorized agent.

To quote the regulations again - "The basis of the AP4 Rally Car is a Series Production Vehicle, meaning a vehicle (model) that has been manufactured in a certain number of identical examples using series production methods destined for public road use"

Mk2 RS2000

9th December 2016, 23:57

Being that there are no copyright or patent laws effective in Asia, they could copy a VW WRC car and call it a VW WRC car but it would not be the real deal. It is like the people who advertise Group 4 Escorts for sale then further down in the advert you find that it has a Vauxhall engine fitted to it

AP4 is the regulations that many would like to see gain regional homologation which would then allow it to compete not only in the APRC but also in the WRC events conducted within the region. There will be a significant number of AP4 cars built from a variety of vehicle manufactures products competing in the NZ Rally Championship during the 2017 season.

Essaj

10th December 2016, 01:54

rallyfiend

10th December 2016, 01:58

I am pretty sure that none of the cars look the same as they are going to be at Monte, Toyota at the moment seems to be closest to it. Teams are waiting as long as possible to hold their final aero secrets which have been tested at wind tunnels.

They've all had to submit their homologation documents, that's why they're all able to now make their announcements and publicly display their cars.

There are no secrets anymore compared to what they have to turn up to Monte with.

Essaj

10th December 2016, 02:27

They've all had to submit their homologation documents, that's why they're all able to now make their announcements and publicly display their cars.

There are no secrets anymore compared to what they have to turn up to Monte with.

But that dosent mean they revealed the final versions of the cars, both Hyundai and M-sport seems bit too tame on aero compared to Toyota.
Also is the homologation made for 100% finished car that they can't change in anyway or just the necessary parts so they can keep developing slightly through out the season?

pantealex

10th December 2016, 08:07

Show cars are always bit different than real ones...

rallyfiend and Essaj, you both got it right.

HaCo

10th December 2016, 08:23

In the Hanninen video there are way more flames coming out of the exhaust, I hope it will be like that in the new WRC, pretty nice to see!

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Rally Power

13th December 2016, 17:36

Latvala: https://youtu.be/Bl_szvXqNTw (Sud Rallye video)

Rally Power

13th December 2016, 17:40

http://toyotagazooracing.com/pages/contents/en/assets/images/release/2016/wrc/1213-01/wrc_1213_04.jpg
So, I was wrong about the Yaris rear look…new door and lights, like most of you predict, in what seems to be another stock car restyling, just two years after new front and interior; probably not enough when competition is launching brand new B cars. Anyway, WRC Yaris looks amazing!

Andre Oliveira

13th December 2016, 17:44

Rally Power, my respect. You are man enought to admit your "mistake". Cheers

Rally Power

13th December 2016, 18:10

You are man enought to admit your "mistake".

Yep…over 40 in age and 90 in weight ;)

Btw, it was only me or anyone else felt that the last 24h without forum seemed like a week? Again: big thanks to the guys running this place!

Andre Oliveira

13th December 2016, 20:42

@OttTanak

Last day in office finished! Thank you everyone in @MSportLtd It's been a nice year with you! Now time for family and holiday ��*��*��*��

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzlLJuIXUAEHCo2.jpg:small

Andre Oliveira

13th December 2016, 20:45

It seems now, only Seb will sit on car till next year.

When Tänak sits again on car, will learn a "new car" ;)

EstWRC

13th December 2016, 20:51

lol..at the moment it is the opposite, Tänak said he has worked from the scratch with this car so at the moment Ogier will learn the "new car"

dimviii

14th December 2016, 14:13

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF

@krismeeke & @paulnagle1 testing the C3 #WRC on Monté-Carlo roads #wrc2017 #camo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoC-TkWIAAJHPT.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoC_0BWQAA1oXP.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoDAW4XUAA0sVo.jpg

edit

and a small clip
https://twitter.com/Julienprioux

dimviii

14th December 2016, 14:23

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15578163_1345216095510477_780755720146016247_o.jpg ?oh=9c5305dcca37c188955a967ebbc73ffc&oe=58F6D411

Kalm

14th December 2016, 14:48

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF

@krismeeke & @paulnagle1 testing the C3 #WRC on Monté-Carlo roads #wrc2017 #camo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoC-TkWIAAJHPT.jpg

Thats a lot of camber at the rear, guess they made some notes what worked in WTCC :)

macebig

14th December 2016, 14:59

I am not sure negative camber can work in rallying.TC1 suspensions are notoriously easy to break and thats on a rather smooth asphalt circuit.Gravel,rock,ditches etc will only magnify the problem.

Andre Oliveira

14th December 2016, 15:13

No one in sweden? And with smartphone or camera? ;)

pantealex

14th December 2016, 15:31

No one in sweden? And with smartphone or camera? ;)

Wait for evening, there is no internet connection in Swedish forest...

SubaruNorway

14th December 2016, 15:38

No one in sweden? And with smartphone or camera? ;)

Usually nobody gets video from there unless Sandell does

Ivar

14th December 2016, 17:30

Ogier on tarmac

https://youtu.be/LNSOxJWMdJ4

A FONDO

14th December 2016, 17:33

short clip of c3 https://twitter.com/julienpascal05/status/809058867791466496

A FONDO

14th December 2016, 17:34

Ogier on tarmac

https://youtu.be/xxxx (https://youtu.be/LNSOxJWMdJ4)

are you sure it's not fake?

Andre Oliveira

14th December 2016, 18:16

Fake

Evans in november and see date of video 12/12

Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duqzPCXsYo0

Andre Oliveira

14th December 2016, 18:24

Real Ogier today at sweden:

The champ is here!

https://twitter.com/patriksandell/status/809087131142549508

EstWRC

14th December 2016, 18:40

Real Ogier today at sweden:

The champ is here!

https://twitter.com/patriksandell/status/809087131142549508

Meeke at the same time https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/809091827395596290

dimviii

14th December 2016, 18:40

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF

@krismeeke touched a wall with the rear of the C3 #WRC during Monte tests

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4o-nXUAEpEud.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4ph9WQAAEM2S.jpg

rallyfiend

14th December 2016, 18:51

'touched'.

EstWRC

14th December 2016, 18:57

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp5DHIWQAELmCw.jpg:small

J_n_z

14th December 2016, 19:08

Kissed a rock...

Diffuser looks big specisly in comparison to Fiesta.

EstWRC

14th December 2016, 19:15

Meeke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dQmjhFf1l0

FAlonso

14th December 2016, 19:16

Meeke today: (credits Lolowrc05) https://youtu.be/8dQmjhFf1l0

Mirek

14th December 2016, 19:20

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp5DHIWQAELmCw.jpg:small

I am going to eat you all alive!

liposh

14th December 2016, 19:51

Kris Meeke is first guy clever enough to test car´s handling also with removed rear aerodynamic parts :D . ...It could be useful during the season. You simply must be prepared ;)

Mirek

14th December 2016, 19:52

On three wheels?

liposh

14th December 2016, 20:00

Mr. Gronholm would tell you three wheels are enough and he can handle car with three wheels better than most of us with 4 wheels...also three gears are enough for him. ...I think the number "3" is Gronholm´s lucky number :D

A FONDO

14th December 2016, 20:06

Meeke today: (credits Lolowrc05) https://youtu.be/8dQmjhFf1l0

Seems like this was filmed by two different people.

dimviii

14th December 2016, 20:52

don't remember who wrote that info about 2 different shock mounting points at c3 wrc,but seems he is right.

tarmac

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoDAW4XUAA0sVo.jpg

gravel

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13924985_1766631550217926_6177198671284487723_n.jp g?oh=919c4aa4b9a21ea614e2df764c864034&oe=58F2A614

dimviii

14th December 2016, 20:54

new video with Meeke
https://youtu.be/90_6tm4CdBo

Mirek

14th December 2016, 20:56

Seems that the upper mounting point may be actually located on same place for both setups, the bottom one is on opposite side of the upright.

dimviii

14th December 2016, 21:08

Seems that the upper mounting point may be actually located on same place for both setups, the bottom one is on opposite side of the upright.

skoda way at tarmac, to choose that way citroen for sure there are some advantages.

br21

14th December 2016, 21:12

You can also easily change the topmount, so it makes the situation even more easy. But anyway interesting, totally different approach it looks like.

Mirek

14th December 2016, 21:17

skoda way at tarmac, to choose that way citroen for sure there are some advantages.

IMO the advantages could be following:
Asphalt - less damper friction, better brake cooling, less body movement in steering due to smaller castor (= a lot smaller forces in steering)
Gravel - longer travel

tc10a

14th December 2016, 21:32

new video with Meeke
https://youtu.be/90_6tm4CdBo

Quite impressive. C3 is probably the car to beat - at least on tarmac.
Same testtrack as Hyundai, but looks quite faster.

SubaruNorway

14th December 2016, 21:50

Video of Ogier from Anton Brorsson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHBWXFPYgkE

chris_bakelas

14th December 2016, 21:51

https://youtu.be/sFaYj1LWbmg

New video from citroen.

It looks fast...

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EstWRC

14th December 2016, 21:58

Quite impressive. C3 is probably the car to beat - at least on tarmac.
Same testtrack as Hyundai, but looks quite faster.

yeah i was just about to say that it is the same track.

for comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZt0xHqeFc

the same hairpin at 0:45 sec i think.

Fast Eddie WRC

14th December 2016, 22:15

Quite impressive. C3 is probably the car to beat - at least on tarmac.
Same testtrack as Hyundai, but looks quite faster.

Quite possibly. The C3 looks the more stable and consistant.

However with different drivers we cant be sure. Meeke may just be the faster driver.

dimviii

14th December 2016, 22:44

http://planetemarcus.com/la-c3wrc-a-lassaut-du-rallye-wrc-monte-carlo-2017/

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-c3wrc-rallye-wrc-monte-carlo-2017/Test_C3Wrc_MonteCarlo17_1.jpg
http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-c3wrc-rallye-wrc-monte-carlo-2017/Test_C3Wrc_MonteCarlo17_6.jpg
http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-c3wrc-rallye-wrc-monte-carlo-2017/Test_C3Wrc_MonteCarlo17_2.jpg

dimviii

14th December 2016, 22:52

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzqvijtXAAARJXN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzqvijuXEAA_4cq.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzqvijxWEAAIx8e.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzqvijwWgAQiVUc.jpg

Toyoda

14th December 2016, 23:00

Interesting wheel arch aero, can anyone make out what it actually is, or if they a hiding an extra component to clip on?

dimviii

15th December 2016, 00:26

Meeke

https://youtu.be/v2ZEmTnpQCo

FAlonso

15th December 2016, 01:17

Meeke (SudRallye)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPb6ukqIpso

Andre Oliveira

15th December 2016, 01:52

Someone know how denunciate youtuber Samueel Etsebulo?

He are copying videos of Camilli from other user and sharing as Ogier ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqEH2qPhAKE
Original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lce9jd_wWc

J_n_z

15th December 2016, 08:25

Interesting wheel arch aero, can anyone make out what it actually is, or if they a hiding an extra component to clip on?
Looks like they are focusing on drag reduction more then max downforce.
Difusor internal flaps are made from soft material... good one from reliability o.p.v.

A FONDO

15th December 2016, 09:30

Someone know how denunciate youtuber Samueel Etsebulo?

He are copying videos of Camilli from other user and sharing as Ogier ones.

Search for the three horizontal dots below the video and then there should be a flag with some text. I already signaled yesterday for the other video.

jbmarcus21

15th December 2016, 09:48

DAY1 Full Gallery Meeke testing Monte Carlo with C3Wrc 2017 ➡️ http://bit.ly/2hmxlWa

EstWRC

15th December 2016, 11:15

Latvala on gravel

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztcKZfXUAAV3Jp.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztcPumW8AAUFmS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztcShWWIAA5EwX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztcWg-WIAAj8l7.jpg

https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/809342159006683136

mousti

15th December 2016, 11:23

Meeke testing for Monte Carlo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJaYAbLsLc

liposh

15th December 2016, 11:29

Why does Toyota have the old rear?

big_sw2000

15th December 2016, 11:37

Why does Toyota have the old rear?

Is that spicific for gravel maybe, and the newer one for tar maybe

Steve

tomhlord

15th December 2016, 12:07

Is that spicific for gravel maybe, and the newer one for tar maybe

Steve

Nice idea, but cannot see that happening. Homologation and that.

Most likely the gravel mule hasn't been fitted with the latest areo pack yet.

dimviii

15th December 2016, 14:15

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus 2h
2 hours ago

#WRC Today at Meeke testing.. A special guest around the track : Mikkooooo Hirrrvonen (thx @legranddanton )
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztqsOfWQAA3naV.jpg:large

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus 4h
4 hours ago

#WRC Kris Meeke debuts second day of testing Monte Carlo 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CztQWL_XUAAyNxF.jpg

dimviii

15th December 2016, 14:33

Neuville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5KO8HwiMqU

edit seems that video is older with new uploader. wtf?

EstWRC

15th December 2016, 14:46

yes there are a lot of people in youtube at the moment who are posting fake things. especially with Ogier, they are taking Tänak's and Camilli's vids and say it is Ogier.

15th December 2016, 15:43

yes there are a lot of people in youtube at the moment who are posting fake things. especially with Ogier, they are taking Tänak's and Camilli's vids and say it is Ogier.

It´s a pity that someone has so much time that they are doing this kind of things!

Nowadays it´s also happening all the time that they are not respecting the copyrights of the photos and videos...

er88

15th December 2016, 16:44

Meeke will seriously challenge Seb and the Ford with that car, it looks quality.
And if he does, it'll be interesting to see if Seb is as good under genuine pressure as Leob was.

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Andre Oliveira

15th December 2016, 16:46

Ogier have no pressure. Meeke yes. It is now or never to him.

stefanvv

15th December 2016, 16:49

I agree Citroen+Meeke seems good package. If Hyundai are even better, will be great year.

er88

15th December 2016, 16:58

Ogier have no pressure. Meeke yes. It is now or never to him.
Nah, Seb has pressure. He has the immense pressure he puts on himself for starters. Plus he has a different kind of pressure now, which is proving he can keep winning in a new team/ car. Msport always produce good cars, but he's no longer in a team/car combination that is by far and away the best package anymore. All the teams apart from the Toyota should be very even.

I still expect Seb to win the title as Meeke is too error prone, but im sure it'll be closer between the two (and Neuville maybe) throughout the season. Hopefully means more exciting fights for rally wins

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dimviii

15th December 2016, 18:00

Meeke today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RumejYWCldc

Rally Power

15th December 2016, 18:04

Meeke testing for Monte Carlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJaYAbLsLc

Sweet mother of Jesus! That car is a rocket! Thank God Citroen didn’t sign Ogier. It’s time to get a non French champ again...

Btw, I hope FIA officials are watching these tests (or at least their videos). ’17 cars are a real boost for WRC, but pressure has to be made on rally organizers to get proper spectator control. And FIA shouldn’t also allow anyone else but manus drivers behind the wheel of these beasts. Having Bertelli, Prokop, Al Rhaji and others less talented guys driving them could be the perfect recipe for disaster…

JRodrigues

15th December 2016, 18:35

Sweet mother of Jesus! That car is a rocket! Thank God Citroen didn’t sign Ogier. It’s time to get a non French champ again...

Btw, I hope FIA officials are watching these tests (or at least their videos). ’17 cars are a real boost for WRC, but pressure has to be made on rally organizers to get proper spectator control. And FIA shouldn’t also allow anyone else but manus drivers behind the wheel of these beasts. Having Bertelli, Prokop, Al Rhaji and others less talented guys driving them could be the perfect recipe for disaster…

Privateer drivers can only drive '16 cars.

stefanvv

15th December 2016, 18:43

Rally Power

15th December 2016, 19:00

Privateer drivers can only drive '16 cars.

I really hope so, but it's been reported that Bertelli is trying to make several events on a '17 car.

With proper crowd control everything should be fine.

MC sometimes get out of control. FIA shouldn't take it ligthly.

tc10a

15th December 2016, 19:11

Having Bertelli, Prokop, Al Rhaji and others less talented guys driving them could be the perfect recipe for disaster…

Drivers like Bertelli, Prokop etc. for sure are not prohibited by FIA to drive the new cars.

Ban is meant for real gentleman drivers.

dimviii

15th December 2016, 19:37

http://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/3.65/dir/dfa/image/dfa9ca613c4edbb6a9a16fb929967043.jpg
http://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/3.65/dir/246/image/2468a11aea8abe2a2ed1a8ea166ed911.jpg

Sebastien Ogier completes first full test M-Sport ahead of 2017 WRC

Sebastien Ogier has completed his first full test in M-Sport's Ford Fiesta WRC ahead of the 2017 World Rally Championship season.
The four-time world champion, who was confirmed at the British team earlier this week, has been driving the car close to Are in northern Sweden, on snow.
Having completed around 150 miles of running on Wednesday, he and co-driver Julien Ingrassia were expected to repeat that distance on Thursday.
The pair will now go on holiday and return to the test Fiesta in the second week in January for their Monte Carlo Rally preparations.
Team principal Malcolm Wilson told Autosport: "I spoke to Sebastien after the first day and he was happy.
"I have to say, there wasn't really a lot to report.
"They were running on a fast road and raised a couple of small things which we can easily sort."
What Ogier's deal means for M-Sport and the WRC
Ogier's only running in the car prior to the test in the snow was around 25 miles in Wales last month.
Wilson is confident that, while Ogier's time in the car will be short before the 2017 season opener, it will be enough for him to find his feet.
"We've done a lot of testing on asphalt," said Wilson, "and we're confident in the car's performance.
"If you look at how quickly he's adapted to the car, I really don't see it being a problem for him.
"I have no concerns about that at all."

The Cumbrian added that he was delighted with the positive reaction to M-Sport's signing of the defending champions.
"It's a fantastic feeling," he said, "and that goes right through the whole staff at M-Sport - it's had such a positive effect across the board.
"I've already seen some of the documentation and dealings with Julien and with Seb and they are very, very professional.
"Like I said before, it's now no surprise that they are four-time champions.
"They're very focused on the job and looking to get themselves in the best position possible to take a fifth straight title."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127505

Mirek

15th December 2016, 19:46

Btw, I hope FIA officials are watching these tests (or at least their videos). ’17 cars are a real boost for WRC, but pressure has to be made on rally organizers to get proper spectator control. And FIA shouldn’t also allow anyone else but manus drivers behind the wheel of these beasts. Having Bertelli, Prokop, Al Rhaji and others less talented guys driving them could be the perfect recipe for disaster…

I don't agree with that. In the past very few tragic accidents happened with WRC cars even though many were driven by non-talented rich drivers without proper team support behind them (setups, up to date spare parts etc.). By far most of the tragedies are connected with gr.N cars or even small 2WD cars which are a lot less powerful but have a lot worse suspension.

dimviii

15th December 2016, 20:12

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvXhMtXUAI68OF.jpg

dimviii

15th December 2016, 20:44

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czvejt-XUAE6QGJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvejuIWIAA4XpM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czvejt-XAAEiKN9.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvejuAWQAIPh6O.jpg

EstWRC

15th December 2016, 20:50

http://d2d0b2rxqzh1q5.cloudfront.net/sv/3.65/dir/246/image/2468a11aea8abe2a2ed1a8ea166ed911.jpg

i dont know if i see right but it looks like Ingrassia has rally estonia trophy helmet on this pic!

this one from 2014 when Tänak won

http://rallyestonia.ee/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Trophy-Helmet_7.jpg

Lundefaret

15th December 2016, 20:51

Privateer drivers can only drive '16 cars.

Not true

mousti

15th December 2016, 20:57

https://youtu.be/flIYsDFPClo

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rogef

15th December 2016, 21:03

Yaris today

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1347440261943572&id=111548942199383&_rdr

jbmarcus21

15th December 2016, 21:08

Intensive test for JML in France with Toyota : full gallery => http://bit.ly/2gG9YTL

JRodrigues

15th December 2016, 21:19

Not true

Why not?

dimviii

15th December 2016, 21:23

Intensive test for JML in France with Toyota : full gallery => http://bit.ly/2gG9YTL

very nervous at rear,seems they have a lot of work to do with suspension/centre diff

EstWRC

15th December 2016, 21:25

Toyota Jaris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcAjHWBUZXc

dimviii

15th December 2016, 21:32

Meeke
https://youtu.be/1DXjuhGcAYg

Doon

15th December 2016, 22:17

Am I the only one that thinks the new cars are less spectacular? They are louder (so what?), but they seem to be more stable, move around less, and change direction less quickly.

Looks wise they may be more "spectacular", but they don't look good. The styling is more like a teenager's first car that's been pimped in poor taste.

EstWRC

15th December 2016, 22:21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzvrC2fXcAI-E_x.jpg

stefanvv

15th December 2016, 22:23

The spectacle is in the eyes of the beholder.

A FONDO

15th December 2016, 22:27

Meeke
https://youtu.be/1DXjuhGcAYg

This guy knows how to film action!!!! And yes - Toyota's corner exiting is a tragedy, reminds me of first S2000 cars in hands of small privateers.

N.O.T

15th December 2016, 22:51

so far from the tests

1. Citroen
2. Hyundai
3. Ford
4. the local village bus from kuvola to helsinki
5. some garbage alley cat chased by 2 hungry garbage dogs that have 3 weeks to have a proper garbage meal
6. toyota village team

maciotacio

15th December 2016, 23:39

dimviii

15th December 2016, 23:54

Bloody hell, that C3 is a monster! Glued to the ground, so stable and what a cornering speed. I'm impressed. Citroen always has been one of the best in the black stuff but if that pace could be delivered in the gravel, Meeke could have been a serious contender.

yes full throttle even inside at slow corners,and the car is very stable.
not a surprise,always they had top cars at wrc level.
Meeke is the big questionmark.

Rally Power

15th December 2016, 23:54

I don't agree with that.

What a surprise…

In the past very few tragic accidents happened with WRC cars even though many were driven by non-talented rich drivers without proper team support behind them (setups, up to date spare parts etc.). By far most of the tragedies are connected with gr.N cars or even small 2WD cars which are a lot less powerful but have a lot worse suspension.

For sure ’17 cars will among the safer rally cars ever, despite being more powerful and more demanding to drive, but common sense and basic motorsport knowledge also makes clear than less gifted drivers will tend to make more mistakes in faster cars.

Driving it’s not all about head and heart, it also takes skills and guys like Bertelli (nothing against him…) are limited on that department. Still they naturally try to push beyond their limits, making room for accidents. The Italian had 3 or 4 big crashes during this season; it’s not hard to believe that more will happen if he gets behind the wheel of a ’17 car. The same could be said of guys like Camilli or Al-Rhaji, among others.

’17 cars are the best solution rally stockholders (FIA, RB/MH, manus, organizers…) managed to get in order to revamp WRC. It looks great, but like any other solution it has risks. Those must be manageable, other way they turn into threats.

Probably nobody imagined that the new cars would be so fast so quickly. MC will, most likely, confirm that the speed increase (s/km) is already notorious, and it’s only the season’s first rally.

FIA doesn’t need to get alarmed or scared, just cautious and ready to act in a preventive way. For sure they’re already following the tests and talking to manus, in order to get a perfect idea of what’s going on and improve, if necessary, rally safety standards. Increasing spectator control and limiting driver’s access to the new cars seems reasonable ways to do it.

dimviii

15th December 2016, 23:58

imho new wrc cars are NOT more dangerous than previous wrc cars at private pilots hands like Bertelli Prokop etc.

Meeke again
https://youtu.be/4FZ89vFc6Xw

stefanvv

16th December 2016, 00:14

For sure ’17 cars will among the safer rally cars ever, despite being more powerful and more demanding to drive, but common sense and basic motorsport knowledge also makes clear than less gifted drivers will tend to make more mistakes in faster cars.

Driving it’s not all about head and heart, it also takes skills and guys like Bertelli (nothing against him…) are limited on that department. Still they naturally try to push beyond their limits, making room for accidents. The Italian had 3 or 4 big crashes during this season; it’s not hard to believe that more will happen if he gets behind the wheel of a ’17 car. The same could be said of guys like Camilli or Al-Rhaji, among others.

’17 cars are the best solution rally stockholders (FIA, RB/MH, manus, organizers…) managed to get in order to revamp WRC. It looks great, but like any other solution it has risks. Those must be manageable, other way they turn into threats.

Probably nobody imagined that the new cars would be so fast so quickly. MC will, most likely, confirm that the speed increase (s/km) is already notorious, and it’s only the season’s first rally.

FIA doesn’t need to get alarmed or scared, just cautious and ready to act in a preventive way. For sure they’re already following the tests and talking to manus, in order to get a perfect idea of what’s going on and improve, if necessary, rally safety standards. Increasing spectator control and limiting driver’s access to the new cars seems reasonable ways to do it.

Take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy '17 season. The cars will be safe, FIA are NOT idiots.

N.O.T

16th December 2016, 00:58

FIA are NOT idiots.

http://i.imgur.com/6ooHhjp.jpg

Rallyper

16th December 2016, 01:04

Not idiots, but thiefs. Moneywise.

KKS

16th December 2016, 05:20

TWRC

16th December 2016, 07:48

At all Meeke videos have a spot of light from left front arch from optical sensor? Does it mean that C3 still in development process and this tests not only basic preparation for Monte?
VW did his last scheduled Polo 17 test near month ago. Hyundai's test seems be part of Monte preparation and not developing.
Does that fact that C3, in this stage (in month before Monte), have that sensor - told is a bit of problem with a car? And they try to fix or find solution to sort that problem?

Because I didn't see that sensor in normal, pre-event, testing.
VW and Skoda works teams have used the correvit sensor on pretty much their every test, so I don't think that is an indication of a problem with the car, just other teams are starting to use more ways of gathering data/info on tests too.

A FONDO

16th December 2016, 08:58

TEST KRIS MEEKE MONTE CARLO 2017 , DAY 2 by lololwrc05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237DsPpqf2Y

Simmi

16th December 2016, 09:19

At all Meeke videos have a spot of light from left front arch from optical sensor? Does it mean that C3 still in development process and this tests not only basic preparation for Monte?
VW did his last scheduled Polo 17 test near month ago. Hyundai's test seems be part of Monte preparation and not developing.
Does that fact that C3, in this stage (in month before Monte), have that sensor - told is a bit of problem with a car? And they try to fix or find solution to sort that problem?

Because I didn't see that sensor in normal, pre-event, testing.

They are used during in-season testing on fully developed car very often. So nothing to worry about I don't think. The whole point of testing is to gather data.

A FONDO

16th December 2016, 10:11

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF (https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF) @JariMattiWRC (https://twitter.com/JariMattiWRC) coming back to the service with lost parts in the boot !

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzySGdRWIAAMKtW.jpg:orig

Mintexmemory

16th December 2016, 10:49

The spectacle is in the eyes of the beholder.

No, the spectacles are on the nose of the beholder!!

Meanwhile it seems it didn't take JML long to become acquainted with the part numbers catalogue for the Yaris. Hope they factored his damage frequency in to their budget, maybe he pays for breakages (could end up owing Tommi money by the end of '17)

Andre Oliveira

16th December 2016, 11:04

Latvala: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2XBd-oI9lx4

big_sw2000

16th December 2016, 11:40

I dont think them bits in his boot are off that car. They are black and white pattened bits that are off the other car with all the new aero package. Not off the white car.

Steve

SubaruNorway

16th December 2016, 11:51

I dont think them bits in his boot are off that car. They are black and white pattened bits that are off the other car with all the new aero package. Not off the white car.

Steve

At 1:40 if you watch the video below

big_sw2000

16th December 2016, 11:56

At 1:40 if you watch the video below

Well spotted, missed that one

Steve

liposh

16th December 2016, 12:33

Watching the video I think maybe it would be better to make the aerodynamics from more parts. (Make totally on purpose some strips/ streaks where in case of impact it can break away easily) I mean when you hit the tree with right rear end of your car you loose only right rear part of aerodynamics and another 2/3 of aerodynamics at the rear are still working properly. This was very small "kiss" and he lost it all.

A FONDO

16th December 2016, 13:00

JML back to usual. With the Ogier-developed Polo-tank we thought he finally changed his style and tamed his swirling rear, but it's not like that anymore with Toyota with stock suspension from road car.

Andre Oliveira

16th December 2016, 13:10

Meeke crash, still the best.

Latvala crash, and he is bad.

Sometimes can't understad fans.

spyros

16th December 2016, 13:22

Mintexmemory

16th December 2016, 14:05

Simmi

16th December 2016, 14:07

In years gone by all this stuff would have happened and no one would know a thing about it. Now in 2016 we get to over-analyse every small thing. Ripping a rear bumper off in testing seems pretty normal. Nothing to see here.

Rally Power

16th December 2016, 14:11

Take a deep breath, relax, and enjoy '17 season.

I plan to enjoy it, hugely! But I can help being restless by the speed of these fantastic beasts every time a new video comes out and the idea I’ll have to wait 5 loooooong months for Portugal Rally!

stefanvv

16th December 2016, 14:23

But I can help being restless by the speed of these fantastic beasts every time a new video comes out

Though faster, they look stable enough to me.

stefanvv

16th December 2016, 14:28

Not idiots, but thiefs. Moneywise.

Hm yeah, perhaps but this is bit OT, and I'm not the one to judge them.

dimviii

16th December 2016, 14:37

Having discovered last Thursday the Yaris WRC on the Corsican asphalt, Jari-Matti Latvala was in Italy this weekend at the wheel of his Audi Quattro for the Prealpi Master Show (December 10-11).

No rest for the Finn who found on Monday morning the Yaris steering wheel for a new day of testing, still on asphalt, organized this time in France.
The former Volkswagen driver then flew to Finland and more precisely Helsinki, or this Tuesday, the Toyota Gazoo Racing Team officially introduced its team as well as the Yaris WRC 2017.
On Wednesday, Jari-Matti Latvala was back in France for four more days of testing. After a day on the asphalt, which ended in hospital after pain in the back, the Finnishman took control of his new mount this time on earth this Thursday. (=> Videos of the day on earth)
The Toyota driver will finish his "big week" by two more days before being replaced by his teammate Juho Hanninen.

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/semaine-chargee-jari-matti-latvala/

Hartusvuori

16th December 2016, 15:08

Fast Eddie WRC

16th December 2016, 17:38

Meeke test https://youtu.be/1DXjuhGcAYg

big_sw2000

16th December 2016, 18:26

Is it me, or are the centre vains on that diffuser flexible, made of rubber stop them getting ripped off. You can see them flexing at 3.42

Steve

BigWorm

16th December 2016, 18:50

Is it me, or are the centre vains on that diffuser flexible, made of rubber stop them getting ripped off. You can see them flexing at 3.42

Steve

Looks that way, yes. Almost like mudflappers.

Wonder what that means aerodynamically?

dimviii

16th December 2016, 19:32

dimviii

16th December 2016, 19:47

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqItOuzIElE

rogef

16th December 2016, 19:51

Yaris today

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=uWVFv_5IXmQ

HaCo

16th December 2016, 20:08

Latvala, very close 1:40:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XBd-oI9lx4

chris_bakelas

16th December 2016, 20:55

https://youtu.be/MmjF6WchEuM

Another great video with Meeke
I think that Citroen have made a really really good car.
Watch at Meeke's driving style. He is using many times the brakes on the exits.

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rogef

16th December 2016, 21:01

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqItOuzIElE

It doesn't seem that bad to me...

Lundefaret

16th December 2016, 21:07

Lefebvre
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz0Rc6RXEAAjl48.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz0Rd3jXgAI6VKM.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz0ReaYWEAEveIr.jpg

small video
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/media

Missing rear bumper doesnt need to be because of an accident.
Citroën has a very good testing methodology, and they also do things as test with missing/damarged aero, to test the handling consequences. (Not only in WRC, but also in the WTCC, where they tested with damaged cars.)

This car will be a rocket!

dimviii

16th December 2016, 21:26

It doesn't seem that bad to me...
flat smooth soft gravel,cant understand so much.

rogef

16th December 2016, 21:35

flat smooth soft gravel,cant understand so much.

I do not understand much. But from what I see of the videos, at least on this type of floor does not seem so far from the others ..

A FONDO

16th December 2016, 21:37

https://youtu.be/MmjF6WchEuM

Another great video with Meeke
I think that Citroen have made a really really good car.
Watch at Meeke's driving style. He is using many times the brakes on the exits.

Perhaps a setting to control the central diff?

Test Stephane Lefebvre Monte Carlo 2017 (C3 wrc drone) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIYXuTr5Zbk) acceleration seems brutal from here

dimviii

16th December 2016, 21:50

Lefebvre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmmwBqw92v0

Thousandlakes

16th December 2016, 22:03

Latvala

https://youtu.be/Qd6UsRY5bZ8

rogef

16th December 2016, 22:04

Another yaris movie today. It seems to be improving day by day ...

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IPoZ66Bd3TY

dimviii

16th December 2016, 23:07

Another yaris movie today. It seems to be improving day by day ...

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=IPoZ66Bd3TY

they are improving,but the others are a lot ahead.
Watch how easy it oversteers at dry tarmac,or the blue smoke from tyres at hairpins due to excessive spin.
https://youtu.be/y4CYz2GxejM

also haven't see yet a standing start with lunch control
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus

stefanvv

16th December 2016, 23:17

also haven't see yet a standing start with lunch control

I saw in one of the videos breakfast control.

bassist

16th December 2016, 23:24

Seb testing the Fiesta WRC2017 in Sweden this week.
https://youtu.be/CHBWXFPYgkE

rogef

16th December 2016, 23:57

they are improving,but the others are a lot ahead.
Watch how easy it oversteers at dry tarmac,or the blue smoke from tyres at hairpins due to excessive spin.
https://youtu.be/y4CYz2GxejM

also haven't see yet a standing start with lunch control
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus

Main causes, suspension and central differential. It will be?

dimviii

17th December 2016, 00:04

yes suspension.central diff mapping,and diff preloads.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 08:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cr9nqGuP8

dimviii

17th December 2016, 09:29

Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzyymUdXUAAJE3B.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzyymUlW8AAHsPX.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzyymUlWgAAZBNs.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzyymUnW8AA04ek.jpg

EstWRC

17th December 2016, 09:54

Jaris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJs2JN2dAbk

Rally Hokkaido

17th December 2016, 11:42

A pic on WRC Rally Fans FB page shows damage to the rear of Meeke's Citroen. Also there is a pic from Latvala's test showing that he has already christened the Toyota! (though rear damage is not as bad as Meeke's)

Fast Eddie WRC

17th December 2016, 11:59

A pic on WRC Rally Fans FB page shows damage to the rear of Meeke's Citroen.

This ? Its been posted here already.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4o-nXUAEpEud.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4ph9WQAAEM2S.jpg

Fast Eddie WRC

17th December 2016, 12:14

Jaris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJs2JN2dAbk

The Yaris isnt as fast as the others but at least its fun to watch testing with Latvala... sliding and wheel-spinning around rather than glued down.

Rally Hokkaido

17th December 2016, 12:17

Sorry, I missed the earlier J-ML pic here. The pix I saw on FB of Meeke's car are different ones though, showing more rear bodywork damage and possibly rear suspension damage.
This ? Its been posted here already.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4o-nXUAEpEud.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czp4ph9WQAAEM2S.jpg

dimviii

17th December 2016, 12:46

Lefebvre,nightand day comparing to Meeke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUl41990tU

OldF

17th December 2016, 12:47

they are improving,but the others are a lot ahead.
Watch how easy it oversteers at dry tarmac,or the blue smoke from tyres at hairpins due to excessive spin.
https://youtu.be/y4CYz2GxejM

also haven't see yet a standing start with lunch control
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus

He’s just testing the tyre wear with more powerful 2017 car.;)

EstWRC

17th December 2016, 13:12

Lefebvre,nightand day comparing to Meeke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUl41990tU

totally night and day. m-sport were testing in the same place a month ago, Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Een58mfH6Z4&t=1s

br21

17th December 2016, 13:42

Not defending Toyota or anyone else.
Just when you have few runs on video it's hard to judge about general performance of the car.
Usually things like slight oversteering are very easy solvable with tiny setup changes (or little more deeply with LSD changes, damper shimming, etc). So those things might be misleading. If we don't know the general plan of tests, on what they work, what is the idea of particular tests it's hard to make 100% statements. It might be early state of working on setup for such road, might be checking some settings to see how car reacts, might be some work on diffs or alignment, or working on cambers to suit the tires, etc.
Especialy tires management might be an important factor this season with those new cars creating more downforce - higher corner speeds, etc. Loix was recently testing new tires using old 2l WRC Citroen, so no doubt that's still work in progress.

nafpaktos

17th December 2016, 15:12

The Yaris isnt as fast as the others but at least its fun to watch testing with Latvala... sliding and wheel-spinning around rather than glued down.

we have to admit that now looks much faster than r5 cars and this is progress.

@br21 what you are say is common sense,so yes you are right,but the car seems to be very slow compared to other cars,so i thinks this is something.

Rallyper

17th December 2016, 16:38

we have to admit that now looks much faster than r5 cars and this is progress.

@br21 what you are say is common sense,so yes you are right,but the car seems to be very slow compared to other cars,so i thinks this is something.

Ok. Tell me how many secs/km, please. Eager to hear your expert eyes. Says so much of coming season.

Fast Eddie WRC

17th December 2016, 17:25

Colin Clark ‏@voiceofrally re Latvala in the Yaris:

'These speeds are just mind blowing. I'm not sure I've ever seen a car taking a hairpin as quickly as this.'

https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/810103003780960256

Walach

17th December 2016, 17:39

He should watch last video with Meeke then.

Fast Eddie WRC

17th December 2016, 17:57

He should watch last video with Meeke then.

Considering the Yaris is turning uphill it is impressive how it accelerated out of the hairpin.

nafpaktos

17th December 2016, 18:01

Ok. Tell me how many secs/km, please. Eager to hear your expert eyes. Says so much of coming season.

Just for you,cause you appreciate me expert eye.0,2 sec/km FOR SURE at this moment.Thanks for your trust!!!

P.S i don't say 0,3 cause could be heard as a provocative statement.

GigiGalliNo1

17th December 2016, 18:17

Could some one please notice the difference in body styles between this Yaris test to one shown at the launch?

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/0b2abb5442077b0062cba183d944838b.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161217/f757ddc402b640c01c7aa4023b0e4285.jpg

er88

17th December 2016, 18:20

At least the Toyota appears to have a very good engine. Should give them a base to work from

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Rally Power

17th December 2016, 18:48

Main causes, suspension and central differential. It will be?

Honestly, I can't see anything wrong on the Yaris suspension, quite the opposite, as the car seems to handle nicely, even on high speed sections. It only looks there still some traction issues on slower corners, probably due to diff set up testing, like br has explained.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 18:58

dimviii

17th December 2016, 19:02

Honestly, I can't see anything wrong on the Yaris suspension, quite the opposite, as the car seems to handle nicely, even on high speed sections. It only looks there still some traction issues on slower corners, probably due to diff set up testing, like br has explained.

this is the difficult to fix,the slow-medium corners.Remember 1st gen i20,never managed to fix it.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 19:03

Ok. Tell me how many secs/km, please. Eager to hear your expert eyes. Says so much of coming season.

Per really you cant see any difference watching c3 and yaris videos?

Rally Power

17th December 2016, 19:04

Ok. Tell me how many secs/km, please. Eager to hear your expert eyes. Says so much of coming season.

Btw, anyone dares to bet a number on '17 sec/km advantage over '16 cars? Seems a nice topic for a pickem.

Mirek

17th December 2016, 19:05

this is the difficult to fix,the slow-medium corners.Remember 1st gen i20,never managed to fix it.

To be fair that was a bit different case. I guess that it's easier to solve the issue with active center diff than without center diff at all. Without center diff the car naturally tends to understeer a lot and such natural behavior has to be compensated by indirect means. I think that it must be easier with 2017 cars.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 19:16

To be fair that was a bit different case. I guess that it's easier to solve the issue with active center diff than without center diff at all. Without center diff the car naturally tends to understeer a lot and such natural behavior has to be compensated by indirect means. I think that it must be easier with 2017 cars.

its not rocket science,but its not so easy just because there is a center diff and its active.Too many variables at every stage you have to combine,different driving styles etc .Its a game it never ends,every rally you can make it better.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 19:17

Btw, anyone dares to bet a number on '17 sec/km advantage over '16 cars? Seems a nice topic for a pickem.

imho they are going to surprise us from their speed.

dimviii

17th December 2016, 19:20

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15442152_624663657718533_7064389652543332279_n.jpg ?oh=9ae57d28b1743333d5a57b840a3b0d50&oe=58E204D0
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15442249_624663827718516_1399997151187688554_n.jpg ?oh=69f8f7d736238be4914c0755b0c81f96&oe=58F47141
http://tartugue.chez-alice.fr/2016/drone.jpg

nafpaktos

17th December 2016, 20:25

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nafpaktos

17th December 2016, 20:26

Btw, anyone dares to bet a number on '17 sec/km advantage over '16 cars? Seems a nice topic for a pickem.

Rallyper showed limitless trust to me by asking me how slow yaris is and I told him.I never keep the Knowledge for myself,I always give my insight.Another forum member asked (rally power)how faster the new generation will be.Once more I will give the answers by quoting what a great driver once said.

<Testing back-to-back with the new and the old impreza,using the same tyres,the same set-ups,on a small 2.5-km test road,the 2000 car was consistenly 1.5 seconds quicker than the previous model.I was driving both cars,so I knew that extra speed was purely in the car alone.The old car was already very good on gravel but I could feel that the new car was faster.It felt sharper,lighter and could pull itself out of corners better.> Richard Burns(comparing 1999 and 2000 impreza wrc).

Taking in account that the new impreza was 0,6 sec/km faster under the SAME regulations i think it is easy for everyone to solve the equation about the new wrcars.I can say that in clear conditions(MC is not that kind of rally because of his unique nature) especially after the mid of the season(when the engineers and the drivers will know how exactly the car behaves) the new generation will be 2 sec/km faster for FOR SURE.Thanks

P.S
1) I am not that great as NOT is but at least I try.
2)I expect at least two likes from rallyper otherwise I will consider him as rude and ungrateful person without manners.