WRC Testing

[Rally Power]

Some friends were there and they were astonished by the speed of the car.
Can't wait to Monte where I will be able to watch them live. I think maybe our previous fears about having rather boring cars were a bit exagerrated.

The fears were mainly raised by some rally journos in need to get readers attention. 2017 is going to be a fantastic revamp year for WRC, and we all should be excited for.

[AL14]

Saturday there will be several Lancia Delta S4, 037 and Integrale testing in north italy.
Some friends are there to take videos and pictures.
Markku Alen will be one of the drivers

[pino]

Great news thanks !! Any idea in what area of North Italy. I am in Sanremo now, and would love to spectate it ! :D

[Simmi]

Saturday there will be several Lancia Delta S4, 037 and Integrale testing in north italy.
Some friends are there to take videos and pictures.
Markku Alen will be one of the drivers

Pre-Rally Legend test? Really hope Alen will be back there this year.

[AL14]

Great news thanks !! Any idea in what area of North Italy. I am in Sanremo now, and would love to spectate it ! :D

Yes it is in Golferenzo (pv), not far from you. :)

[pino]

Thanks, will try to get there !

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://youtu.be/eoLec80pwrM

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rAeQlYZ44M8

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://youtu.be/WeBGgPS8Kfw

[AL14]

First tests of new FIAT abarth 124

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKSbeGLB4MX/

[AL14]

All pictures of FIAT Abarth 124 Test in S.Romolo (IT) here:

https://twitter.com/Rally_it/status/775597666361278464

Videos should come soon.

[pino]

I am leaving Sanremo today unfortunately, but my nephew will be there, so I will add videos too !

[GigiGalliNo1]

What spec is this car? I was told GT but perhaps R3 like the Toyota GT86???

[Mirek]

R-GT. You can't make anything else from a roadster as all other classes require 4-seater as a homologation model.

Besides that I think it's 1.8 Turbo which is too much for R3.

[dimviii]

Kevin Abbring


It's Christmas every single month this year! Doesn't she look wilder every time? #testing #development #HyundaiWRC #monster

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/14291852_1099067570182129_2594781584373194461_n.jp g?oh=a07c714880fbf6f4f10a05e14d078893&oe=5871C59B


small video
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKTQ_ZmgnZw/

[EstWRC]

Abbring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4VDoMRyTuU

[dimviii]

Fiat video
https://youtu.be/hQ2csVvmwuY

[dimviii]

Abbring https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4VDoMRyTuU

first time we see sideskirts?

[Mirek]

Fiat video
https://youtu.be/hQ2csVvmwuY

Somehow don't know what to think about it. The sound is quite boring and the overal appearance is too stockish for me. I know it's no 911 brutal power but rather a small nimble car but still it doesn't look that attractive (not speaking about the look of the car itself). Let's see how they progress.

[AL14]

Somehow don't know what to think about it. The sound is quite boring and the overal appearance is too stockish for me. I know it's no 911 brutal power but rather a small nimble car but still it doesn't look that attractive (not speaking about the look of the car itself). Let's see how they progress.

To be honest, that car is far from being competitive and personally I really don't care about this project. It's an RGT spec which I don't like.
Anyway the car has a 1800 and is 300bhp but I think this one is not true.
More info and video here if you are interested:
http://www.rally.it/2016/09/fiat-124-abarth-ritorno-alle-origini

[EstWRC]

first time we see sideskirts?

i think so yes and diffuser also first time.

[pantealex]

R-GT. You can't make anything else from a roadster as all other classes require 4-seater as a homologation model.

Besides that I think it's 1.8 Turbo which is too much for R3.

Is it really 1.8t, I did´t know that FIAT has that kind of motor.
R-GT should be with production motor.

[Mirek]

Is it really 1.8t, I did´t know that FIAT has that kind of motor.
R-GT should be with production motor.

I think that it is Alfa Romeo engine (actually 1,75 litre).

[Simmi]

Interesting news in MN today about VW. According to FXD they tested the definitive 2017 spec Polo somewhere 'close to Finland'.

They have been testing there for the last two weeks with a car that looks very visually different to the car we've seen testing to date. They are thrilled no pictures surfaced, although they suspect spies from Toyota were in attendance.

Apparently the front bumper is completely different. With a bigger rear bumper and different diffuser. Front and rear fenders have changed. Sounds like the rears have air intakes like we've seen on the Toyota. Also new bonnet and wider doors. Plus a bigger rear wing with more overhang.


It really is an exciting time for rally fans. Crazy to think we've been watching these cars test for months, but apart from the Citroen we've not really seen anything definitive in terms of the aero of these cars.

[N.O.T]

Why is it that british media fabricate news when they do not have anything to report ?

[Simmi]

Why is it that british media fabricate news when they do not have anything to report ?

If you're talking about mainstream UK newspapers then yes this is often true. They don't talk about rallying at all.

But in this case. Everything I wrote above is a summary of direct quotes from Technical Director Francois-Xavier Demaison. So I think it's all good info. Not point VW lying about something that will eventually be revealed to everyone. They won't be able to keep the car under wraps for much longer.

[AMSS]

VW has definitely been testing in Finland a couple of weeks ago, and since no pictures has come up the MN story probably is correct!

[tomhlord]

Interesting news in MN today about VW. According to FXD they tested the definitive 2017 spec Polo somewhere 'close to Finland'.

They have been testing there for the last two weeks with a car that looks very visually different to the car we've seen testing to date. They are thrilled no pictures surfaced, although they suspect spies from Toyota were in attendance.


Love this. A proper air of mystery with competiting teams allegedly spying. Halcyon days chaps.

[EstWRC]

one more of Abbring yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLtEbI6Fd04

[jbmarcus21]

Test Days Abbring i20Wrc 2017 in Spain Gravel .. #photos gallery http://bit.ly/2c8unOG

[pantealex]

VW has definitely been testing in Finland a couple of weeks ago, and since no pictures has come up the MN story probably is correct!

There were photos but only with that "Mule" 2017, Jämsä area.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Tommi Mäkinen's team have continued #YarisWRC #WRC2017 tests this week in Finland. Hänninen keeps driving the car. @TGR_WRC

[Hartusvuori]

There were photos but only with that "Mule" 2017, Jämsä area.

Shame we learned about it the day they left. Would've been interesting to see the new bodywork, if so.

Jämsä area must be the key location for 2017 testing. Toyota, of course, shows up every other week. VW have been there three times, including the premiere of 2017 mules last August. Citroen did a week there early summer. Hyundai and Ford are still missing from the list, but I think one of them could atill show up.

[Simmi]

A Portuguese friend of mine sent me this link from his local paper. Looks like VW are back in Portugal.

http://www.acomarcadearganil.pt/arganil-desporto-volkswagen-wrc-regressa-capital-mundial-rallys/

Unbranded trucks. Don't ask me what the Procar truck is doing there. Maybe a decoy? Who knows but if VW are there then we could be 1/2 days away from seeing the near-final 2017-spec car.

[ToughMac]

Finally rallying is getting exciting again! This season has a real feeling of the mid 90's about it.

[mousti]

A Portuguese friend of mine sent me this link from his local paper. Looks like VW are back in Portugal.

http://www.acomarcadearganil.pt/arganil-desporto-volkswagen-wrc-regressa-capital-mundial-rallys/

Unbranded trucks. Don't ask me what the Procar truck is doing there. Maybe a decoy? Who knows but if VW are there then we could be 1/2 days away from seeing the near-final 2017-spec car.

They are there for sure, in the region of Coimbra.

[Andre Oliveira]

Mytical stages of Arganil. Procar truck was here in Viana do Castelo too early this year. Btw, Arganil should be part of 2017 itinerary.

[tomhlord]

Finally rallying is getting exciting again! This season has a real feeling of the mid 90's about it.

Agreed. Secret testing, decoy trucks, an actual drivers market.

[Simmi]

First video I've seen from the VW test. Still looks like the 2017 mule. But it looks like the rear lights are masked off and maybe a new exhaust position at the rear? Not sure. Should be some better ones later this afternoon.

https://www.facebook.com/DoidosporRally/videos/1060981907331919/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsaBATKWIAAGj97.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsaBATJXYAADVoT.jpg

[dimviii]

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF

Images des essais de Sébastien Ogier avec la Polo 2017 en spec finale au Portugal


https://youtu.be/5x0qNOphNFc

[Simmi]

Good set of pictures here for those with Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Pickrally/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1809777622590817

The more you look at it the more you see the small but significant evolutions.

It's wider I think. Certainly if you follow the line back from the front arches it is wider and much more defined along the driver door. That will be where the impact absorbing foam goes. There was quite a big story about this in Motorsport News. Work has been done to help with side impacts.

[KiwiWRCfan]

Here's 1995 WRC champion Colin McRae testing the 555 Subaru Imprezza in 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SROTaMSDVXY
Why post it here today ?
Because today is the anniversary of Colin's death and we have just reached page 555 of the WRC testing thread. (default display 10 messages per page)
R.I.P. Colin

[tomhlord]

Good set of pictures here for those with Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Pickrally/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1809777622590817

The more you look at it the more you see the small but significant evolutions.

It's wider I think. Certainly if you follow the line back from the front arches it is wider and much more defined along the driver door. That will be where the impact absorbing foam goes. There was quite a big story about this in Motorsport News. Work has been done to help with side impacts.

Woah, great pics, big changes, especially to the rear wing, rear bumper and exhaust.

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_09_2016/post-1812-0-25609000-1473971095.jpg

[Rally Power]

The more you look at it the more you see the small but significant evolutions.
It's wider I think. Certainly if you follow the line back from the front arches it is wider and much more defined along the driver door. That will be where the impact absorbing foam goes. There was quite a big story about this in Motorsport News. Work has been done to help with side impacts.

Yep, those doors and side panels are different; still the car overall width must be the same. Besides the new wing and the new bumpers, there’s also a redesigned bonnet, suggesting a different intercooler mounting.

With all these changes and so few news about the next Polo generation release, will the 2017 WRC car still be based on the current Mk5 model?

[MM WRC]

With all these changes and so few news about the next Polo generation release, will the 2017 WRC car still be based on the current Mk5 model?

As far as I know, the new WRC Polo will be based on the next-generation Polo. It should be released next year, according to Auto Motor und Sport.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier :cool:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CseX8KJWYAAfnzd.jpg:large

[dimviii]

Paddon with 2017 car
https://youtu.be/nTayAe7uQ2s

[Simmi]

A big emphasis was made by the FIA/Promoter when these new regs were announced about the fact that if you painted all the current cars white, the man in the street wouldn't be able to recognise one from the other.

I have to admit it's not something that particularly bothers me. I've made peace with the fact we're not going to get the variation in segments we used to have - but in 2017 with the design trends we've seen, to me they are still going to all look pretty similar to the man in the street.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

A big emphasis was made by the FIA/Promoter when these new regs were announced about the fact that if you painted all the current cars white, the man in the street wouldn't be able to recognise one from the other.

I have to admit it's not something that particularly bothers me. I've made peace with the fact we're not going to get the variation in segments we used to have - but in 2017 with the design trends we've seen, to me they are still going to all look pretty similar to the man in the street.

Cant blame anyone but the car manufacturers ... cars in this sector all look the same now. They all copy the boring Euro-style so they dont put anyone off their particular model.
No risks, no originality.

Even the Mk3 Focus RS looks dull.

[Simmi]

Cant blame anyone but the car manufacturers ... cars in this sector all look the same now. They all copy the boring Euro-style so they dont put anyone off their particular model.
No risks, no originality.

Even the Mk3 Focus RS looks dull.

Awww don't say that Eddie I've got one on order!

I definitely think when the Toyota broke cover it got a lot of people paying attention. Still more aero advances to come from all teams I think.

[Sardalense]

Ogier :cool:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CseX8KJWYAAfnzd.jpg:large

Not Ogier, Marcus Gronholm!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Awww don't say that Eddie I've got one on order!


Sorry mate, still a great driver's car, but when I saw one in the metal I was so sooo disappointed.

I expected something exciting-looking after the Mk1 & Mk2 with their flared arches etc. But the Mk3 wouldn't get a second look.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Not Ogier, Marcus Gronholm!

My source says otherwise...

VOLKSWAGEN WRC: Super photo of @SebOgier testing the 2017 @VolkswagenRally Polo WRC in Portugal 🇵🇹 📷 André Trigo https://t.co/GcOTEeyBmn

[stefanvv]

Have this been posted - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQYFZyri-ZE

[Thousandlakes]

That new Polo looks like old MG Metro 6r4. That was 30 years ago ;)
Somehow I like most Hyundai I20 outlooking at this point. Ok we have to think that we will see big changes before these cars are ready to start Monte Carlo 2017. Anyway direction is right. Rallying really need this new rules.

[dimviii]

Paddon 2017 car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMJhwbQCy78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=Lgxw623ahtU

[Toyoda]

Have this been posted - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQYFZyri-ZE

Sounds like VW have cooked something engine wise, massive hissss in this clip. To me hyundai is the most conservative, aero wise at least, as a Paddon fan I'm hoping they get creative and bring something new.

[stefanvv]

Sounds like VW have cooked something engine wise, massive hissss in this clip. To me hyundai is the most conservative, aero wise at least, as a Paddon fan I'm hoping they get creative and bring something new.

Yeah it doesn't sound like "normal" anti-lag. Cars are still not final so we should wait for the homologated anyway.

[dimviii]

Sounds like VW have cooked something engine wise, massive hissss in this clip.

maybe video microphone.

[Toyoda]

maybe video microphone.

Hissy in this also

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-cwgyrAsX4

Other observations are less tail happy than hyundai, they (Hyundai )may still not have solved the grip issue, also traction aid or shudder under acceleration on the vw is more pronounced? Just speculation on the footage, take my comments with a grain of salt :)

[Andre Oliveira]

My source says otherwise...

VOLKSWAGEN WRC: Super photo of @SebOgier testing the 2017 @VolkswagenRally Polo WRC in Portugal 🇵🇹 📷 André Trigo https://t.co/GcOTEeyBmn



Ogier for sure

[itix]

I think we are attaching too much value to the aerodynamics... I don't think they are as important as we think they are. Even a formula one car can't actually generate much downforce until they reach 120 plus, and that is towards a smooth track.

Rally cars rarely reach above 150 and the number of smooth asphalt events is quite limited. Having small unsprung weight and a well sorted suspension is much more important in my eyes.

Even though the Hyundai is the least aero focused car it doesn't mean it will be slow...

The Peugeot 205 beat the competition from start without having any aero at all.

[N.O.T]

I think we are attaching too much value to the aerodynamics... I don't think they are as important as we think they are. Even a formula one car can't actually generate much downforce until they reach 120 plus, and that is towards a smooth track.

Rally cars rarely reach above 150 and the number of smooth asphalt events is quite limited. Having small unsprung weight and a well sorted suspension is much more important in my eyes.

Even though the Hyundai is the least aero focused car it doesn't mean it will be slow...

The Peugeot 205 beat the competition from start without having any aero at all.

make sure you communicate this to the teams, they spend money for no reason on aero R&D all these years while the answer is simple.

[Atob WRC]

Here our video from Hyundai Gravel Tests at Costa Brava!!

Strange that John Kennard is not at codriver seats, and his place it´s occupied by Seb Marshall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6dRhlMMuFc

[TWRC]

I think we are attaching too much value to the aerodynamics... I don't think they are as important as we think they are. Even a formula one car can't actually generate much downforce until they reach 120 plus, and that is towards a smooth track.

Rally cars rarely reach above 150 and the number of smooth asphalt events is quite limited. Having small unsprung weight and a well sorted suspension is much more important in my eyes.

Even though the Hyundai is the least aero focused car it doesn't mean it will be slow...

The Peugeot 205 beat the competition from start without having any aero at all.
To be fair, in the beginning of the 205's victory parade it came up against bad, undriveable Audis and 2WD Lancias and Renaults, who themselves had very little aero as well. Later that changed (and the 205 still won, so I'm not trying to devalue its worth). But regarding the aero's importance, is it only on tarmac that they reach those speeds (Finland, Poland, etc jump to mind)? Also, F1 is entirely different at every possible level, so using that as a marker might be misleading IMO.

[Sardalense]

My source says otherwise...

VOLKSWAGEN WRC: Super photo of @SebOgier testing the 2017 @VolkswagenRally Polo WRC in Portugal 🇵🇹 📷 André Trigo https://t.co/GcOTEeyBmn

I was there since the begining and saw Marcus doing the recce for the stage, so since early morning I was pretty sure who was the driver ;)

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://youtu.be/IMifUFDN8Gc

[janvanvurpa]

Rally cars rarely reach above 150 and the number of smooth asphalt events is quite limited. Having small unsprung weight and a well sorted suspension is much more important in my eyes.



Always remember this: the problem on gravel is grip.
Grip for simple "ax" (as in bilen axar ut från kurvan bra)
Grip for braking
Grip for cornering

Whole point of aero is to increase grip. It CAN easily creat down force at average speeds around 100 km/hr..

The problem is if you make it so it increases downfrorce and thus grip at 100 km/hr then it will cost a lotta speed higher up..
Example back to the late 80s..Opel Kadett E model..Great car in the GSI model with GMs wonderful 2,0 XE 16v..
Its a clean car aerodynamically..
Put it on a flat section of motorway and it took only about 7+8hp to drive down the road at 100 km/hr...
but to run that same clean car to 210 km/hr it takes all 150 hk it makes.*
Air Resistance goes up at some cube function..

So make aero work at "average SS sped" of 100 km/hr and you better have LOTS of power or it costs ax and top speed.

Another simple example is "Big Wing" Escort Cosworth vesus no wing Escort Cosworth..
Big Wing cars went 225 km/hr top speed.
No wing cars did 246..

Todays cars are little bitty 1600cc engines...
You could say that's barely 8% smaller than old GpB 205.. but they had a 44mm restrictor...vesus a tiny little thing now...They also had turbos that look like it came off a 6 liter turbo diesel truck...
They could afford to trade some downforce at SS average speed because they had abundant power.

No sure how much excess power todays things have with limits on intake valve size, turbine and compressor wheel limited and the engine volume limited.


*these figures were straight from an old friend Ola Strömberg in Örebro who did a few events in a GpA version. He might know something, especially coming from all those years in the very aero Saabs..

[itix]

make sure you communicate this to the teams, they spend money for no reason on aero R&D all these years while the answer is simple.
Aero is inferior compared to the gains to be made elsewhere I meant, I'm sure you understood that...

Of course when you have maximized the other aspects of your current homologated package you will chase aero.

Let's be realistic, stages have been won plenty of times without rear wings, wheel arches gone etc etc...

[SubaruNorway]

Aero is inferior compared to the gains to be made elsewhere I meant, I'm sure you understood that...

Of course when you have maximized the other aspects of your current homologated package you will chase aero.

Let's be realistic, stages have been won plenty of times without rear wings, wheel arches gone etc etc...

Have you seen Solberg in Mökkiperä or Neuville in Finland last year? :p
They didn't win the stage without a rear wing for sure.

[N.O.T]

Let's be realistic, stages have been won plenty of times without rear wings, wheel arches gone etc etc...

can you name one, because i cannot remember...

[tommeke_B]

Remember how much time Latvala lost in Wales 2014 without rear wing... The rear end of the car was all over the place.

[SubaruNorway]

Remember how much time Latvala lost in Wales 2014 without rear wing... The rear end of the car was all over the place.

S10 Impreza WRC had something like 100kg pressure at 100kph, that's quite a lot. Correct me if I'm wrong

[dimviii]

Here our video from Hyundai Gravel Tests at Costa Brava!!

Strange that John Kennard is not at codriver seats, and his place it´s occupied by Seb Marshall.


John Kennard ‏@JKCoDriver

@sebmarshall Cheers for filling in at Spain test..giving me an extra week with this view out of my office instead������

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsoXbkEVYAA21SA.jpg

[br21]

Even very small rear spoiler on R5 Fiesta makes big difference, very difficult to drive without it

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://youtu.be/5l5YFWN3duw

[Mirek]

S10 Impreza WRC had something like 100kg pressure at 100kph, that's quite a lot. Correct me if I'm wrong

Definitely possible, maybe even more. A tiny formula student car from my Alma Mater is able to produce 60 kg downforce @ 60 or 80 km/h by it's wings (I don't remember exactly) and that's something as small as a go kart and the force is growing with the speed squared.
https://eforce.cvut.cz/data/articles/2016_oto_report_4/2016_oto_report_4_04.jpg

[denkimi]

I think we are attaching too much value to the aerodynamics... I don't think they are as important as we think they are. Even a formula one car can't actually generate much downforce until they reach 120 plus, and that is towards a smooth track.

i believe it is quite the opposite.

formula 1 cars need to be able to reach speeds of over 300km/h, so they actually cannot use really big wings.
they have long straights, and few corners, so they rarely have a lack of traction. but most importantly: without a high top speed they can't overtake.

rallying is completely different. you often don't have enough traction, but very few moments where you hit top speed. and you don't need to overtake.
so here it is much better to sacrifice some top speed to gain traction through a much bigger wing.

[Mk2 RS2000]

i believe it is quite the opposite.

formula 1 cars need to be able to reach speeds of over 300km/h, so they actually cannot use really big wings.
they have long straights, and few corners, so they rarely have a lack of traction. but most importantly: without a high top speed they can't overtake.

rallying is completely different. you often don't have enough traction, but very few moments where you hit top speed. and you don't need to overtake.
so here it is much better to sacrifice some top speed to gain traction through a much bigger wing.

Going sideways seriously disturbs the airflow both under and over the wing.

[Mirek]

i believe it is quite the opposite.

formula 1 cars need to be able to reach speeds of over 300km/h, so they actually cannot use really big wings.
they have long straights, and few corners, so they rarely have a lack of traction. but most importantly: without a high top speed they can't overtake.

rallying is completely different. you often don't have enough traction, but very few moments where you hit top speed. and you don't need to overtake.
so here it is much better to sacrifice some top speed to gain traction through a much bigger wing.

Going back to my example - the student formula is good to show that relatively large downforce is possible even at low speed. I was actually really surprised how much aerodynamic downforce can help on a twisty narrow track where the cars can't reach over 130 km/h and which looks nearly like a slalom between the cones. This particular car has active wings so that it can accelerate better because the max drag configuration is quite slow at straights (with opened wings this one does 0-100 @ 3,1s).

[rogef]

It seems that begins to gain some speed...

Today Tests Yaris wrc!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsai39eVPYE

[dimviii]

nice photo from Paddon testing



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs0zXA7WIAAFHWC.jpg:large

[Mk2 RS2000]

Going sideways seriously disturbs the airflow both under and over the wing.

As is shown in the recent shot of Hayden testing

[denkimi]

Going sideways seriously disturbs the airflow both under and over the wing.
unless it is designed to cope with that.

if you expect the cars to be sideways all the time, like on gravel, you can design the wings so that it still creates downforce in that situation. that's why wings on rally cars are so different than those on circuit cars.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Ogier in Tarragona today.....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs9yIkfXgAAxA3t.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs9yPhfWgAAJ2_8.jpg:large

[Simmi]

A bit easier to check out the changes in gravel spec. Definitely looks different head-on but can't quite put my finger on what has changed. Bigger front radiator area maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMkTaVlqSVM

[dimviii]

A bit easier to check out the changes in gravel spec. Definitely looks different head-on but can't quite put my finger on what has changed. Bigger front radiator area maybe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMkTaVlqSVM

different sound at antilag.

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14449762_10154142973078952_633006858305983926_n.jp g?oh=f706a3e7f6de65bfd02a68cffd643af2&oe=586FE8E2

any more info of what that measures?

[macebig]

It's a pitot tube.It is used to measure air speed.

[dimviii]

Andolfi testing for Corsica

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14468474_10154145601163952_7165497497492951367_o.j pg



https://youtu.be/gYSV6ChA91g

[dimviii]

Kevin Abbring ‏@KevinAbbring

Preparing @TourdeCorseWRC in stunning #Corsica! One of the most beautiful and challenging places to turn our #NGi20R5 wheel! @sebmarshall

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtHPOxlWYAAPoRL.jpg

[AL14]

Kevin Abbring ‏@KevinAbbring

Preparing @TourdeCorseWRC in stunning #Corsica! One of the most beautiful and challenging places to turn our #NGi20R5 wheel! @sebmarshall

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtHPOxlWYAAPoRL.jpg

Nice livery :)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtH6iHPWEAA4Vom.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtH6iyfWcAQs_K0.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Meeke and Breen are ready for testing for Tour de Corse today..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtMXc38WcAAHevm.jpg:large

[dimviii]

is it a new front bumper?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtN0ns7XYAAVb_x.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtN0ns8XYAAhYMJ.jpg

Extreme Shox ‏@extreme_shox

Good test days at @TourdeCorseWRC with @HMSGOfficial. @HaydenPaddon #ext #extremeshox

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtQjBPHWcAAV94I.jpg

[Simmi]

For sure that car is looking different at the front now. Bigger radiator intake area. The lights look bigger but that might be an illusion.

[dimviii]

Young rally driver test on altitude the new Citroën C3 WRC 2017!
Video by Jaume Soler

anybody know who is the driver?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb28rNtEjMI

[Rallyper]

Young rally driver test on altitude the new Citroën C3 WRC 2017!
Video by Jaume Soler

anybody know who is the driver?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb28rNtEjMI

Emil?

[tomhlord]

Young rally driver test on altitude the new Citroën C3 WRC 2017!
Video by Jaume Soler

anybody know who is the driver?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb28rNtEjMI

Nice video, looks like there's been some damage to the front and the bumper has been taped back on. I too would like to know the driver, you really can't tell from the video.

[cali]

Emil?
And PG Andersson and Daniel Carlsson and all other swedish drivers.... Lol

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

[Rallyper]

And PG Andersson and Daniel Carlsson and all other swedish drivers.... Lol

Sent from my ONE E1003 using Tapatalk

Well, my suggestion was serious. Not yours.
Emil is connected to Citroen even though not to the worksteam, but still.

[dimviii]

Marc Martí Moreno ‏@MarcMartiWRC
1st stage clean @TOURDECORSEASAC what a stage..!! 76 pag.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtSlJbEXEAA5RwZ.jpg

[jbmarcus21]

TEST7 C3Wrc 2017 in Gravel Spain => http://bit.ly/2cIgOJx

[tomhlord]

TEST7 C3Wrc 2017 in Gravel Spain => http://bit.ly/2cIgOJx

More dive planes.

[dimviii]

Citroen testing for Corsica with ds3 wrc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvHT9gwhQnw

[Toyoda]

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test7-c3wrc-2017/Test7_C3Wrc2017_0916_5.jpg

New front fender and extra aero on the bumper up to the wheel arch, also different wing mirrors?
Interesting they have moved away from VW's front fender design that they all copied in the last few years, may be the extra weight was not worth the aero performance?
And the rear wing is super funky with the curved rear wing dips, a way to have veins with out veins? they seem to be using F1 as inspiration with the dips in the rear wing and the front bumper winglets.

[GravelBen]

And the rear wing is super funky with the curved rear wing dips

Maybe that design is intended to still provide some downforce when the car is going sideways and the airflow is along the wing not just across it?

[tomhlord]

Maybe that design is intended to still provide some downforce when the car is going sideways and the airflow is along the wing not just across it?

That sounds very trick, would that mean a unique driving style to match?

[wia5958]

Unique as in meekes style he isnt a typical nose first driver possibility this wing being designed around his driving style breens driving style is also quite similiar

[GravelBen]

That sounds very trick, would that mean a unique driving style to match?

I'd say it would still provide much more downforce in a straight line - but maybe wouldn't lose as much downforce during sideways moments as a traditional wing.

I'm no expert though! Just an amateur looking at the shape, trying to visualise airflow over it and thinking about what forces that would apply. The angled sides look like they would direct air upwards (and channel onto the main wing), giving an opposite force downwards.

[dimviii]

Αndolfi testing for Corsica
https://youtu.be/gYSV6ChA91g

[dimviii]

c3 wrc test citroen video
https://youtu.be/7TKxjejn2ME

[dimviii]

Lluis F. ‏@lluis6

Test Toyota wrc 2017 con Hanninen en Catalunya (Bages) hoy.
#WRC #Rallyracc @fernischumi


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct6ZMhIWEAAx2-t.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct6ZUe7W8AETlms.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct6ZSrUXgAASNJF.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct6ZRYiW8AAKS_r.jpg

[EstWRC]

M-sport with Tänak already testing on tarmac with the new fiesta https://www.instagram.com/p/BLJOVwug901/?taken-by=oriolrocks

[GigiGalliNo1]

Sorry best to post here!

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161004/11fca2f79b263fb6444ee3179f425def.png

[Augury]

Wonder how different the Michelins feel for him straight after Corsica. Maybe getting some information for Dmack aswell?

Edit: People saying it's Camili. Looks that way.

[BigWorm]

1091

It has evolved, hasn't it

[dimviii]

some small videos with yaris wrc
https://twitter.com/lluis6?lang=el

[cali]

some small videos with yaris wrc
https://twitter.com/lluis6?lang=el
Looks slow ... is N.O.T.'s prediction really coming to be reality?

[Allez Andruet]

Longer video from Toyota's test session in Spain today:

http://youtu.be/y6ZcDZLGU64

[dimviii]

and another one with yaris
https://youtu.be/GY0AOc-BwhQ

[EstWRC]

more photos of the Fiesta, video coming afternoon from Jaume

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[Thousandlakes]

Fiesta looks good. Problem is how to recognise from other wrc cars next year. All car look same except c3 wrc. Waiting to see that video. Rallying fever is definitely growing here :)

QUOTE=EstWRC;1108851]more photos of the Fiesta, video coming afternoon from Jaume

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[GigiGalliNo1]

At least we know and can see they're working already on the new shape Fiesta.

[EstWRC]

One more video of Tänak and the new Fiesta beast! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw75ir0lf9w

[Thousandlakes]

Looks fast already. Sounds good too. 3 millimeters makes big difference ;)

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuByBXUXEAIKzk3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuByBXaXgAACmwJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuByBXdXYAAk2Wb.jpg

[BigWorm]

IF it's Tänak driving, surely it means he's back at M-Sport

[Andre Oliveira]

Yaris and a "not happy ending": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxhqloqQivU

[rallyfiend]

I hope they were doing some life-testing on that suspension, because they killed it...

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuCWYP7XEAEimgu.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuCWd5-W8AAhMbk.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuCWfLQWgAAXgu7.jpg

from Rallying UK

[GravelBen]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuCWYP7XEAEimgu.jpg

In the video it doesn't look like it hit that rock, looks like the suspension failed just before it. Interesting that the rock appeared there in between runs though...

[liposh]

For sure the suspensions failed just before the rock. It is possible the rock made that cosmetical damage on the bumper, but suspension failed before it. Maybe there was a hole (after the rock was digged) and the hole made that. We can´t see it from our perspective.

[spiderem]

All manufacturer decided to have a central exhaust (except i20), it makes me curious... Weight distribution? unfortunately I don't find it the most aesthetic.

[N.O.T]

All manufacturer decided to have a central exhaust (except i20), it makes me curious... Weight distribution? somehow I don't find it the most aesthetic.

I have a feeling that aesthetics are not a factor that is crucial when designing a race car.

[AMSS]

All manufacturer decided to have a central exhaust (except i20), it makes me curious... Weight distribution? unfortunately I don't find it the most aesthetic.

Must be because of airflow for the diffusor probably..

[OldF]

In the video it doesn't look like it hit that rock, looks like the suspension failed just before it. Interesting that the rock appeared there in between runs though...

That’s true. In the pic below you can see that that the suspension collapse before the rock

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Yaris%20test%203_zpslykas5uw.jpg

But where did it come from? The three pics below are from the previous run. On the second pic you can already see a part of the rock and in the third, there it is. No conspiracy, Juho did it by himself :). By the size of the rock there was a big hole in the road after the rock come up.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Yaris%20test%206_zps6uxcwb8k.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Yaris%20test%207_zps2nboj8ux.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/Yaris%20test%208_zpswvrldcrj.jpg

[jbmarcus21]

Sordo today in test tarmac with i20Wrc 2017 => http://bit.ly/1STIBWS

[dimviii]

But where did it come from? The three pics below are from the previous run. On the second pic you can already see a part of the rock and in the third, there it is. No conspiracy, Juho did it by himself :). By the size of the rock there was a big hole in the road after the rock come up.


rock is there at all photos you posted,just the rock is more visible when there was shadow.Of course from photos seems that the suspension collapses before the rock.

[big_sw2000]

rock is there at all photos you posted,just the rock is more visible when there was shadow.Of course from photos seems that the suspension collapses before the rock.

Yep that rock is visible in the same place in all 3 photos there


Steve

[OldF]

I watched the video again (slow motion & full screen) and you are right guys. Imo the suspension however collapsed before the rock and that he didn’t even hit the rock. Maybe I need new glasses.:D

[Andre Oliveira]

Ford today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf8oEOIYUYc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl97eUSKRKY

[Nelly]

Sounds class. The Msport RX car has a very similar sound. Must be a similar exhaust system.

[EstWRC]

One more of M-sport https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5TONj_4jqY

[dimviii]

Latvala

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuKzrLLWEAATUFw.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuKzsK0WAAAg6n2.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuKztwOWgAA0Nyr.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuKzvHrW8AALYM_.jpg

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

We got fire.
A four-legged beast spitting fire as it thunders by.
Not your shopping bag Polo.
Wild Roaring Creature

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLkFKJWIAAXVip.jpg:large

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie
‏@planetemarcus

#WRC Today @thierryneuville meet i20Wrc 2017 in German vineyards and co-drive some runs with Sordo (thx @Htusoli )

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLIVt8XEAE6X7j.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLIVtYXYAAXPG5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLIVtTW8AAzb1s.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuLGqq-VUAEbZfZ.jpg

two different cars?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuL2Xf2UMAAk5A8.jpg

from
Christian Balderas twitter

[EstWRC]

Yeah it seems the right one is the current car

[EstWRC]

M-sport at it again today , can't recognize who Is driving https://youtu.be/0tJIgdEVeSg

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/qsAzR_sM70c


Latvala today

[dimviii]

M-sport at it again today , can't recognize who Is driving https://youtu.be/0tJIgdEVeSg

Camilli was today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXNKz-Vv7M

[EstWRC]

Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZd_ybPlF0
Toyota https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmr-0Hz0SKg

[Thousandlakes]

Start to see sound and speed difference between 16 and 17 cars. Setups getting better and better. Nose still little up in jumps. Fiesta looks angry and fast also. These cars rules ;)

[er88]

That Toyota looks off the pace compared to the other 2017 cars imo. I've watched a fair few testing videos and it just doesn't look right. Dunno what you guys think?

I might have convinced myself it looks slower, but I see a difference looking at some of the Toyota videos compared with the other cars. The Citreon, VW, Ford and Hyundai all look super quick to me, but im no expert

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

[dimviii]

That Toyota looks off the pace compared to the other 2017 cars imo. I've watched a fair few testing videos and it just doesn't look right. Dunno what you guys think?

I might have convinced myself it looks slower, but I see a difference looking at some of the Toyota videos compared with the other cars. The Citreon, VW, Ford and Hyundai all look super quick to me, but im no expert

i have the same impression to

[dimviii]

Camilli
https://youtu.be/1HZd_ybPlF0

[AMSS]

That Toyota looks off the pace compared to the other 2017 cars imo. I've watched a fair few testing videos and it just doesn't look right. Dunno what you guys think?

I might have convinced myself it looks slower, but I see a difference looking at some of the Toyota videos compared with the other cars. The Citreon, VW, Ford and Hyundai all look super quick to me, but im no expert

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

I also agree, not knowing exactly what they are testing of course makes it difficult to judge but I can't think of a good reason to go from Finland to Spain or Portugal and drive slowly. To me especially corner speed looks slow. Engine sounds good.
But as previously seen judging videos has proven difficult in the past as well..

[Hezrald]

Toyota looks to have very little suspension travel and seems to be always turning in, understeering a lot. Looks similar to early stages of 1st generation i20

[Rally Power]

On this one the Yaris looks pretty fast and balanced.
https://youtu.be/jmr-0Hz0SKg

[jbmarcus21]

Test Days Dani Sordo this week in Germany with new i20Wrc 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTS02M6LDFo&feature=youtu.be

[HarriK]

Latvala and VW continued today testing in Finland near Kavala.

[nafpaktos]

I am sure that yaris will outpace ALL r5 cars.

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://youtu.be/7yv7oa20RW8

[EstWRC]

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14543689_940070172787921_874713312293415797_o.jpg
https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14612527_940069772787961_8730518904820965815_o.jpg



more https://www.facebook.com/ADMRallyphotography/photos/a.940069359454669.1073741952.301294479998830/940069772787961/?type=3&theater

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Word from Volkswagen's Finnish test day says Mikkelsen's day ended prematurely due to an engine failure. #WRC2017

[User]

That Ford, is that a current generation Fiesta chassis with next generation front and rear lights?

[EstWRC]

Next generation chassis

[GigiGalliNo1]

Body shell is next gen too. It can't just be front lights and rear lights. Can't you notice the bumpers? And read side windows...

The camouflage isn't that difficult

[HarriK]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC

Word from Volkswagen's Finnish test day says Mikkelsen's day ended prematurely due to an engine failure. #WRC2017

And there was also some problems with engine while Latvala was driving according what I have heard.
Also they should have been this test 2 weeks ago but also then the engine blow and they cancelled the test.

[Hartusvuori]

And there was also some problems with engine while Latvala was driving according what I have heard.
Also they should have been this test 2 weeks ago but also then the engine blow and they cancelled the test.

On Friday the test day was stopped for a couple of hours due to an engine work. I have no details what went wrong, but I know the engine was removed from the car. However, the test day continued for the last light hours normally. Yesterday the engine failed right after lunch break. Mikkelsen drove normally to the other end of the test road, then slower back and eventually the car was towed to service and the team packed up. Minor issue, propably, but enough to end the day.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/rally74r/photos/?tab=album&album_id=699241146898995

South of Portugal

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14720547_699241570232286_6061917080787173162_n.jpg ?oh=fd01ea28bcc758b071254fb4515aa4bc&oe=589E13A4
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[Rally Power]

Some nice ones at raliForum fb page:
//www.facebook.com/ja.c.rali/photos/a.968825239906067.1073741836.704966352958625/968825313239393/?type=3&theater

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14502750_968826226572635_7961559376771056120_n.jpg ?oh=5e3d1917dd7f07a54ef3d839c8d41838&oe=58A9085F

[big_sw2000]

Anyone know whe VW are testing this week. 2x 2017 cars just drove past me in Abergavenny South Wales. Seems strange they wernt on lorries though. We are about 20 miles from nearest ex rally GB stages

Steve

[Simmi]

Anyone know whe VW are testing this week. 2x 2017 cars just drove past me in Abergavenny South Wales. Seems strange they wernt on lorries though. We are about 20 miles from nearest ex rally GB stages

Steve

Very interesting Steve. Hyundai/Neuville are also in Wales testing today judging by his Instagram. Could only see the current car in his post.

[big_sw2000]

Very interesting Steve. Hyundai/Neuville are also in Wales testing today judging by his Instagram. Could only see the current car in his post.

Just surprised me to see them driving, and not in a back of a lorry. Do they need to test for road sections as well maybe.

Steve

[jonoscoob]

Just surprised me to see them driving, and not in a back of a lorry. Do they need to test for road sections as well maybe.

Steve

Got the feelers out Steve, but as you say unusual for them to be on a road section so far away from a potentially usable stage...

[dimviii]

Neuville testing for GB
http://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.9793-16/12853192_215087442237871_8842291206567231488_n.mp4

[EstWRC]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 36m36 minutes ago
Finnish autumn roads provide fast bends and crests for @MSportLtd for their #FiestaWRC #WRC2017 tests. Tänak driving. Video by @ToivonenV

https://twitter.com/HartusvuoriWRC/status/788346350933045248

[Andre Oliveira]

Fiesta WRC 2017 Tänak

http://youtu.be/1DC3Rr3dSLQ

[EstWRC]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 1h1 hour ago
#RALLIRINKI photo gallery from @MSportLtd #FiestaWRC #WRC2017 test day in Finland:

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+18.10.2016/


another little clip, a lot of problems according to the user https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTYOYpMRVsU

[Hartusvuori]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC 1h1 hour ago
#RALLIRINKI photo gallery from @MSportLtd #FiestaWRC #WRC2017 test day in Finland:

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+18.10.2016/


another little clip, a lot of problems according to the user https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTYOYpMRVsU

I heard only about some issues with gearbox at the end of the day, no specific what. It's still new car, teething issues come up.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://twitter.com/jiipihlaja/status/788459418132381696

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvErpJGW8AIVa1P.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvErpYtWAAEmwD0.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvErpOkXgAA7Rmb.jpg

[dimviii]

so they changed the declined back struts design?

[SubaruNorway]

The Fiesta seems to have more front downforce than the other cars, flies much nicer even on throttle

[TWRC]

so they changed the declined back struts design?
Don't think so, I think it only seems that way from that picture.

[AMSS]

Don't think so, I think it only seems that way from that picture.

It`s changed, similar angle as Skoda/VW in the rear now!

[TWRC]

It`s changed, similar angle as Skoda/VW in the rear now!
Yes, it's been like that since their early prototype, but I thought dimviii's question was if they changed that as well. Sorry for the confusion :)

[dimviii]

from Sordos facebook today

https://scontent.fath4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632883_1447965568553289_6377893187684596547_n.jp g?oh=9fcafffa928a86500b16a6e270be514b&oe=58AAE0ED

[EstWRC]

Day 2 of finland testing

Taneli Niinimäki ‏@tnphotogr
Fiesta WRC 2017!

https://twitter.com/tnphotogr/status/788775562919763969


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJKjKYXEAUp6Dq.jpg:large

[EstWRC]

Tuomas Töyry ‏@TuomasToyry
Ford Fiesta RS WRC 2017 test in Finland 19.10.2016 @MSportLtd @OttTanak #FiestaWRC #WRC2017

https://twitter.com/TuomasToyry/status/788788796011769858

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJXINaWYAQqFxF.jpg

[Andre Oliveira]

http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott+Tänak+Ford+Fiesta+RS+WRC+2017+Testit+19.10.201 6/

http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott+T%C3%A4nak+Ford+Fiesta+RS+WRC+2017+Testit+19.1 0.2016/IMG_5795.JPG?img=img2048
http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott%2520T%25C3%25A4nak%2520Ford%2520Fiesta%2520RS% 2520WRC%25202017%2520Testit%252019.10.2016/IMG_5785.JPG?img=img2048&_=9fa79
http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott%2520T%25C3%25A4nak%2520Ford%2520Fiesta%2520RS% 2520WRC%25202017%2520Testit%252019.10.2016/IMG_5745.JPG?img=img2048&_=8f090

[EstWRC]

nice gallery!

lowrider

http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott+T%C3%A4nak+Ford+Fiesta+RS+WRC+2017+Testit+19.1 0.2016/IMG_5790.JPG/_smaller.jpg (http://tuomastoyryralli.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Ott%20T%C3%A4nak%20Ford%20Fiesta%20RS%20WRC%202017 %20Testit%2019.10.2016/IMG_5790.JPG)

[Hartusvuori]

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+19.10.2016/9Y7A7699.JPG/_smaller.jpg (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport%20Fiesta%20WRC%202017%2019.10.2016/9Y7A7699.JPG)

Our RALLIRINKI gallery from today's test: http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+19.10.2016/

[Andre Oliveira]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAcI79WkyLE

[Munkvy]

I heard only about some issues with gearbox at the end of the day, no specific what. It's still new car, teething issues come up.

With what, less than a month till they need to submit homologation to FIA...?

[Mirek]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAcI79WkyLE

Great sound but... I want to see them jumping ;(

[dimviii]

Paddon
https://youtu.be/qIEw8v_Rzno

[dimviii]

Sordo
https://youtu.be/kXEKT1GrGgc

[Fast Eddie WRC]

From what I've seen of the 2017 cars, the Fiesta doesn't seem to be lifting its nose on jumps as badly as the others. I'm sure the Citroen & VW were landing tail-first much more on their Finland tests.

Is the Fiesta not going as fast, or have M-Sport sorted their front aero better ?

[macebig]

That Focus RX wasn't made for fun...

[Mirek]

Just have a look on the front ends. Fiesta definitely has the most extensive aerodynamic package in DTM style:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJXINaWYAQqFxF.jpg
http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test7-c3wrc-2017/Test7_C3Wrc2017_0916_5.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtN0ns8XYAAhYMJ.jpg
http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-hyundai-motorsport-i20wrc-2017-tarmac-aout2016/Test_Hyundai_i20wrc2017_Tarmac0816_15.jpg
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14502750_968826226572635_7961559376771056120_n.jpg ?oh=5e3d1917dd7f07a54ef3d839c8d41838&oe=58A9085F

[Hartusvuori]

Fiesta shares some of that issue, especially yesterday on faster road, but in general it looks more stable. My friend commented today that Fiesta is "visibly going crazy fast". He has seen all new cars several times except Hyundai, and compared Ford's speed being at level or near VW and Citroen in tests he has seen. It's just a gut feeling of course, but you can sense difference with eye and ear too.

EDIT: Few photos from today:

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+20.10.2016/_50A7194.JPG/_bigthumb.jpg (http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+20.10.2016/_50A7194.JPG)

http://rallirinki.kuvat.fi/kuvat/M-Sport+Fiesta+WRC+2017+20.10.2016/

[dimviii]

Ogier testing small clip

https://twitter.com/simonhughes11

[dimviii]

The Hyundai team conducted a meeting this week of five days of testing on the ground. A dual purpose for the team with 2 cars: test for the next rally of Great Britain with the current self and develop its i20 WRC 2017 on land.

Monday, Thierry Neuville took place aboard his usual mount to prepare the next round of the championship on a land base of the south west of France already used by Citroën and Ford several years ago. This year, the UK is soon to leave the final round up of the season in Australia and the conditions are different. The base offers many comparable undergrowth at the British track but the mud is not present, but the humidity is not as important as what we used to see in Wales. It remains to see what comes of it on site at this time ...

The next day, rebasing for the team that installs assistance with 2 cars: the current i20 is driven by Dani Sordo and finally with 2017 WRC Thierry Neuville. After prolongs the suspense about his future, the Belgian has decided to stay with Hyundai. The team was able to finally invite him on a development session. Thierry Neuville was the few drivers of the current party platform (with Mads Ostberg) not having run in 2017 with a version testing. At the first attempt, it seems that something is not appropriate: the car is returned quickly to assistance for a small part of mechanical. Later in the morning, the Belgian will enchainer few runs. This Hyundai, like other 2017 model is powerful: it tumbles on this track like a missile. The sound that emerges its new engine pleases the ears and hunting is clearly open: it hard slap to shift! But Neuville seems to remain cautious on a fast but narrow path, raises are powerful, but braking is cautious, while the drifts restraint. Clearly it takes the driver to take its brands with this new car that is more of new generation.

On the other path, it's Dani Sordo who makes the runs on a more spectacular special. It can be seen piloting a quite different: it feels like the total control of the car and a certain ease to enroll in the trajectories. The Spanish rolls over his teammate and allows himself to be very generous in some curves. Despite a less powerful car, fun to see progress self is more important to this side. The more technical track with curves and a jump combos promotes the show. The Spanish will stop around 17h to go to the next track in spectator watching his teammate at the wheel of the car in 2017.

Wednesday, moving without assistance but by slightly adapting the plots, Dani Sordo took place aboard the car in 2017 while Hayden Paddon was preparing GB with the current i20. The Spanish know a little self, he seemed more comfortable. For two days, the team changed its base. First with Hayden Paddon who used the current car and the 2017 frame on the same route. If the morning the runs were echainés, the afternoon was much prolific run with a single. Thierry Neuville took over the wheel of the i20 WRC 2017 today. The Belgian is the only one who enjoyed 2 full days with the i20 2017. But Neuville days of running to catch up driving new cars. Hopefully this is not the first argument at the start of next season. But why would he need such arguments to explain its position? This car seems not so bad! It seems powerful and effective, hope the team could resolve recurrent problems of the current car's behavior with a new design, it could give a good fight all before 2017!

http://www.worldrallyisfree.com/2016/10/21/hyundai-en-essais-2016-2017-avec-neuville/

[dimviii]

Citroën Racing ‏@CitroenRacing

More testing for the @Citroen C3 #WRC… This week the team was in Spain for #TEST8


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvSkWrwXYAAopCJ.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvSkaA3WYAAgTn7.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvSka7ZW8AAaky-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvSkcouXEAAK_qz.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14720489_1134520036628050_3486554676643703928_n.jp g?oh=80c5f3f8bedca1df09def5d7b4352b9a&oe=589C69AD

[Andre Oliveira]

Jarno Saari
Very interesting rumour from Finland:
A certain 4-time world champ was invited to test the prototype Ford Fiesta #WRC2017

KKK?

[big_sw2000]

That's hell of a rear spoiler on the Citroen. Stands out a mile


Steve

[EstWRC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvTBPqxWEAAzYV3.png

[dimviii]

Latvala small clip

https://www.facebook.com/colin.clark.775/posts/10154031803847532

[dimviii]

https://scontent.fath4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14717081_10154058484742057_2826665616628618182_n.j pg?oh=82f75241284e950b4db8843e04d78b13&oe=5898656C


more
https://www.facebook.com/citroenracing/posts/10154058487292057

[dimviii]

c3 wrc test8 video
https://youtu.be/aA2c3FOSu9s

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak on the aero of the 2017 Fiesta: "The aero is incredible and more than was expecting, more than I have felt before.

"Of course we are getting some downforce from these [2016] cars, but when you get to a certain speed with the new one you can really feel the thing being pushed down into the ground. It's amazing."

[Mirek]

I still don't understand why they went this way. For what is the better aero good for? Yes, the cars will be faster but it won't add anything to the spectacle, quite the opposite. I wonder how delighted will the people be when they see these new cars on Colin's crest or Ruuhimäki.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Seems they are confusing an exciting looking rally car, with a rally car that is exciting to watch...

[giu canbera]

Im in luv with the current Msport's car design!

[SubaruNorway]

I still don't understand why they went this way. For what is the better aero good for? Yes, the cars will be faster but it won't add anything to the spectacle, quite the opposite. I wonder how delighted will the people be when they see these new cars on Colin's crest or Ruuhimäki.

Have we seen any proper sized jumps like Ruuhimäki reverse in testing yet?

[leighton323]

I still don't understand why they went this way. For what is the better aero good for? Yes, the cars will be faster but it won't add anything to the spectacle, quite the opposite. I wonder how delighted will the people be when they see these new cars on Colin's crest or Ruuhimäki.
You keep getting yourself in a twist Mirek, just relax ;) . A good driver is spectacular in any car. Even R2 cars are amazing to watch with a good driver as you would agree. They will always find the limit of performance and drive the car on the ragged edge.
I have no doubt that these cars will be spectacular in the hands of some very talented people even if they may require an even smoother driving style.
Bring on Monte 2017!

[leighton323]

Tanak on the aero of the 2017 Fiesta: "The aero is incredible and more than was expecting, more than I have felt before.

"Of course we are getting some downforce from these [2016] cars, but when you get to a certain speed with the new one you can really feel the thing being pushed down into the ground. It's amazing."
One point to add maybe..
I think a big problem will be if someone has a spin and and knocks a substantial amount of aero off. They will lose a tremendous amount of time in the following stages.
We've already seen the effects on times on the current car when the rear wing has fallen off, for 2017 the time loss will be much greater.

[dimviii]

Scott Martin ‏@scottmartina North West, England

Our 1st test since the news we'd get to drive the #C3 #WRC next year for @CitroenRacing @AbuDhabiRacing1 #happyboys @Craig_Breen #test8


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvTm5oNWAAA2w_z.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_020_346936_580a063de.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_002_346938_580a063e5.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_001_346940_580a063ec.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_004_346958_580a06428.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_025_346960_580a06432.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_023_346962_580a0643b.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_006_346964_580a06443.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/69/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_014_346980_580a06468.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/70/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_016_347002_580a064a5.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/70/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_024_347004_580a064ad.jpg
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/34/70/Citroen_C3_WRC_Test_8_017_347021_580a064e6.jpg

[stefanvv]

That looks like quite a suspension travel.

[Simmi]

I've absolutely loved watching all these different cars evolve at each test with small tweaks to their appearance. And there's still more to come. I really can't remember anything like this in the WRC before. Regardless of what you think of the regs it's a cool time to be a rally fan.

[Thousandlakes]

And remember that this cars comes in to those big jumps much faster. They will fly for sure. We are going to see some spectacular slides as well. No worries. 2017 is bringing rallying back what we lost back in time in 2011. Not to mention year 1987



You keep getting yourself in a twist Mirek, just relax ;) . A good driver is spectacular in any car. Even R2 cars are amazing to watch with a good driver as you would agree. They will always find the limit of performance and drive the car on the ragged edge.
I have no doubt that these cars will be spectacular in the hands of some very talented people even if they may require an even smoother driving style.
Bring on Monte 2017!

[dimviii]

That looks like quite a suspension travel.

c3 seems to have significant more travel than ds3.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

You have to admit that the 2016 cars look a bit tame after watching the 2017 cars on test...

[Mirek]

Have we seen any proper sized jumps like Ruuhimäki reverse in testing yet?

Of course not and that's why I wonder how it will look like on them. Still the physics is clear. The sole reason of the aerodynamic features is to push the car to the ground hence limiting the air time hence shortening the jumps. That's simple logic.


You keep getting yourself in a twist Mirek, just relax ;) . A good driver is spectacular in any car. Even R2 cars are amazing to watch with a good driver as you would agree. They will always find the limit of performance and drive the car on the ragged edge.
I have no doubt that these cars will be spectacular in the hands of some very talented people even if they may require an even smoother driving style.
Bring on Monte 2017!

Maybe I do but while You are generally right it doesn't apply absolutely. Is Ogier in R2 spectacular? For sure he is. But is he more spectacular in WRC car? For sure he is or would You prefer to see him in R2 car instead of the WRC car? That's why the car plays a role in the spectacle. We have to wait and see but simple logic says that the new cars will slide less and will jump less because that's the only way how to use the aerodynamic features to make them faster. If not You can fire the man who designed the aero package.

[SubaruNorway]

Of course not and that's why I wonder how it will look like on them. Still the physics is clear. The sole reason of the aerodynamic features is to push the car to the ground hence limiting the air time hence shortening the jumps. That's simple logic.

But the cars that are flying with the nose in the air will revert that effect so they might fly longer ;) I'm sure you can stop it with braking mid air but will be harder to get it right i guess.

[Mirek]

I doubt they will fly nose-up by the time of NORF but we'll see.

[Thousandlakes]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gzY8XK6ULDE

Max attack by Dani!

Nice launch at 1:02

[Mirek]

I admit that this is extremely spectacular but also a lot different to the M-Sport footage :)

[dimviii]

from Latvala tests

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZInI8WYAEHIiK.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wonder why the 2017 Fiesta has so much more prominent front aero than the Polo, C3 & i20 ?

https://www.turbomagazine.be/photos/news/20/20488_Ford-fiesta-WRC-2017.jpg?PHPSESSID=4ean6q8010pmo5uqjlsr1qcjc1

Front arches remind me a bit of the Gr.B S1 ...

http://performancedrive.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Audi-S1-quattro-Group-B-rally-Australia1.jpg

[EstWRC]

At the moment with their camo liveries, in gravel spec my favourite is Hyundai and in tarmac spec Fiesta...the Fiesta just looks so agressive and mean in tarmac spec!

[Franky]

The Fiesta looks like Focus WRC '03 on steroids

[chris_bakelas]

JMl testing polo 2017 at wales. Big slides!!! https://youtu.be/CCz8zMTfiBY

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[EstWRC]

Sordo/Neuville https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj12LPcnvQ8
Polo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQTGliBi-xw

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZwaObWIAEKZL-.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZwc5wXgAAHbEk.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZwcFbWEAQwq4l.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZwbZAWIAALNvE.jpg

[Leon]

JMl testing polo 2017 at wales. Big slides!!! https://youtu.be/CCz8zMTfiBY

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Looks like a rear wheeldrive

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[dimviii]

Ogier

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvb2H1vXgAAWfEA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvb2H1wXYAADehG.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvb2IA1XEAAFxOT.jpg

[Rally Power]

I have no doubt that these cars will be spectacular in the hands of some very talented people even if they may require an even smoother driving style.
Bring on Monte 2017!

Amen! Fair to say that with the extra power and torque allowed by a bigger restrictor, ’17 cars would be someway far more spectacular. These cars can be a revamp tool for WRC, as they surely have that ‘wow factor’ capable of attracting, again, huge crowds and common media attention to the series.

That’s why FIA must look for the safety concerns of this upgrade. A sort of super license only allowing top WRC drivers to drive the new cars and inflexible spectators control measures are much needed. FIA has to make sure, alongside rally organizers and the promoter, that ’17 reset will be the start of another epic WRC era.

[Andre Oliveira]

Cars need flashs and flames, need bang bang bang

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Toyota are now asphalt testing their 2017 WRC in Catalunya.

https://twitter.com/RubenOteroDo/status/790557777936715776?s=09

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/790582154942087169

https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/status/790582261158641664

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Toyota test on tarmac - sounds great ! :cool:

https://youtu.be/_LNLrJpZ5q8

[N.O.T]

Toyota test on tarmac - sounds great ! :cool:

https://youtu.be/_LNLrJpZ5q8

My god... this thing is slower than the current WRCs on road mode.

[EstWRC]

what did i just watch...what the hell was that driving about?