WRC Testing

[Bartek]

Fast or not it looks like he feel this car.

[EstWRC]

little clip of Tänak https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/673478905429409793

[dimviii]

http://www.notryaphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Essais-Camilli-Klinger-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC-9.jpg
http://www.notryaphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Essais-Camilli-Klinger-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC-16.jpg
http://www.notryaphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Essais-Camilli-Klinger-Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC-18.jpg

more
http://www.notryaphotos.com/rallyes/8177/essais-prives-camilli

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://youtu.be/bn07q_puYoA

With pirellis in beginning of the video.

[jbmarcus21]

Tanak preparation #photo #video http://planetemarcus.com/une-journee-de-preparation-pour-tanak-avec-dmack/

[jbmarcus21]

Full report also with Hyundai http://planetemarcus.com/operation-wrc-monte-carlo-2016-chez-hyundai/
and M-Sport http://planetemarcus.com/m-sport-travaille-le-wrc-monte-carlo-2016/

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iiIeSAZQeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DY8LjCU-Zc

Tänak: The boys are back in town! We've had a really nice day, lots of tyres to try, lots of things to consider and just had a long debrief. Monte Carlo is such a tricky rally and we've made some good progress today.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/12342344_865166223582448_7502815928668167364_n.jpg ?oh=9a395707795342dd0398aa0b982fcd03&oe=56D9251B
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVj_pBhW4AQ7EHI.jpg
http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-days-tanak-monte-carlo-2016/TestDays_Tanak_MonteCarlo16_1.jpg

i think it would be great if they would just leave the livery like it is now.

[EstWRC]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN5NmUyETac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8IoMgIeng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BOcNhjNBHw

[Sulland]

Is VW the only team to use the 3 axis measuerement apparatus, that we see in the form of a little light in the front, pointing downward.

Or are the other teams have other, better tools?

[Sulland]

i think it would be great if they would just leave the livery like it is now.

Less could be more, but then I would go for bright red, to stand out. Same red as in the D of DMack.

[AL14]

Less could be more, but then I would go for bright red, to stand out. Same red as in the D of DMack.

Would be great. Just let's hope the would not use the same livery as Ketomaa last year.

[Mirek]

Is VW the only team to use the 3 axis measuerement apparatus, that we see in the form of a little light in the front, pointing downward.

Or are the other teams have other, better tools?

Everybody uses Correvit sensors or something similar, at least in development testing.

[stefanvv]

Tänak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN5NmUyETac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8IoMgIeng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BOcNhjNBHw

Why is that?
834

[kiil]

Why is what? Sticker pealing off? Every tyre can do this, is see this often.

[stefanvv]

Why is what? Sticker pealing off? Every tyre can do this, is see this often.

so it is dmack tyre?

[kiil]

Why should it not be?

[stefanvv]

Why should it not be?

don't know. That's why asking

[EstWRC]

Dmack's own video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7RUthLfny0

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-770-0-51123000-1449429641.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-770-0-71327300-1449429638.jpg



Camilli

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-770-0-15368700-1449430634.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-770-0-08764600-1449430849.jpg

[dimviii]

Last Friday, Eric Camilli got his first chance to familiarise himself with his new team - M-Sport - and with the Ford Fiesta RS WRC during a test ahead of the 2016 Rallye Monte-Carlo. It marked the start of a new life for the French youngster who already feels at home with the British outfit.

It was at 1:35pm, Friday, that Eric Camilli and his new co-driver Nicolas Klinger reversed their Fiesta RS WRC out of M-Sport’s service area near Laborel, in France’s Drôme Mountains.

Their first run in the car at speed was up to the famous Col du Perty and Eric showed that he has a good grasp of how to start a World Rally Car thanks to some 2,000km of testing in the Toyota Yaris WRC.

Eric and Nicolas had arrived mid-Friday morning when they got to meet M-Sport engineers Mark, Anthony and Bernardo, the team’s mechanics and their new team-mate Mads Ostberg who had started his test the previous day. The Norwegian had been forced to find a last-minute replacement for his usual co-driver Jonas Andersson, so Emil Axelsson stepped in for the first day and Ilka Minor was brought in to sit alongside on the Friday.

During the lunch break, the new French duo took time to adjust their seats and belts and also acquaint themselves with the Fiesta RS WRC’s cockpit which they will share for the next two years.

The weather was clear, but the bumpy, five-kilometre climb to the Col du Perty and back – a run that WRC regulars know well - was damp in places, with some ‘black-top’ portions and a few frosty corners.

After two return trips, they drove back to the base where they were awaited by onlookers and M-Sport staff who still seemed a little circumspect about the latest signing of their boss Malcolm Wilson.

“Everything’s okay,” smiled Eric. “It’s a good test stage. The car rides the bumps well. I feel confident.”

“We immediately hit it off with the pace notes,” noted Nicolas. “Eric called me last week but it wasn’t easy for me to say ‘yes’ to his offer because Benjamin [Veillas, Eric’s former co-driver] is my best friend and Julien Maurin [Nicolas’s former driver] is a good friend, too. But this is too good an opportunity to miss.”

After two further passes, there was a visible shift in the atmosphere in the engineers’ motorhome and Eric’s early times cleared any lingering doubts about his recruitment. Next on the programme was a switch to the new Michelin Pilot Sport S5 tyres which the team will have available for the Rallye Monte-Carlo.

On Friday evening, after moving to a new base in the Ardèche Mountains, Eric and Nicolas seemed more relaxed. “I felt a little stressed this morning. I’ll sleep better tonight,” admitted Eric after a good meal at the Hôtel des Cévennes.

Testing continued on the Saturday in Mezilhac where hundreds of spectators turned up to watch the action. Eric completed 279km on the fast, damp test stage at an average speed of 110kph, with work stopping at 6:30pm after he had evaluated a variety of set-ups and tyres.

The last part of the test took place after nightfall when fog was an additional difficulty but Eric didn’t put a foot wrong. After the debrief meeting with his engineers, it was obvious that M-Sport’s new Frenchie had been adopted by the team…

from borl

[irish_tiger]

Just to confirm - M-Sport and Dmack are using the same car PX14 HHY .. .yeah ???

[Andre Oliveira]

Bertelli, Østberg, Camilli and Tänak used the same car.

Pirelli -> Michelin -> Dmack on it

(Bertelli already used the same car of Tänak and Evans on tests last year)

[EstWRC]

Nice little clip of Tänak https://www.facebook.com/Teamrallyeattack/videos/418286225032610/

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12322847_1639718876296162_649843834250637741_o.jpg

[EstWRC]

Ostberg and Camilli from BORL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7qNo3xtcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFKqP__n-8

[rayh_mx]

Ostberg and Camilli from BORL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An7qNo3xtcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meFKqP__n-8

Really cool view of the exhaust and brake discs at the end of the Ostberg's video (3:00)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

What's with the fans with flares on Camilli's test, does he have some fanatical supporters, or is it to help him prepare for Monte ?! ;)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Really cool view of the exhaust and brake discs at the end of the Ostberg's video (3:00)

Great view, we dont see it often enough ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/EddieFocus/mads%20hot_zpsrg3n3yzg.jpg

[EstWRC]

How tall or short Ostberg is? He looks like a midget from the BORL onboard :p

[Rallyper]

How tall or short Ostberg is? He looks like a midget from the BORL onboard :p

Like 1,70 m.

[EstWRC]

Okay. He looks shorter. So, we now have a bunch of videos of everyone (except VW's). Who looks the best? Camilli?

I remember Lundefaret being pretty spot on last year with the videos.

[itix]

Maybe the Msports give better and lower seating position than Citroën

[Munkvy]

Okay. He looks shorter. So, we now have a bunch of videos of everyone (except VW's). Who looks the best? Camilli?

I remember Lundefaret being pretty spot on last year with the videos.

Camilli looks uncomfortable in the car? Maybe seating position, but he looks on edge and not relaxed? Having never seen any onboard from him I don't know if that's what he is like (ie Gilles Panizzi like). I would also suggest his cornering speed looked on the limit, but there was an awful lot of rubber down and you would assume he has driven that road a bunch of times by that point, so not really indicative of his pace?

[AL14]

Maybe the Msports give better and lower seating position than Citroën

I'm pretty sure you can set the height of your seat according to your preference as a driver. Latvala for example stays very high, Ostberg stay lower. It's a matter of how do you want to watch the road and use car parts on your view as reference points to take turns.

Hope it's clear, not the best english to explain this concept. Forgive me for that. :)

[itix]

'tis alright... I'm not perfect either and my English is far from impeccable.

I think there are very few native English speakers here, relatively...

And for your nationality you speak very good English

[dimviii]

small clip with Ogier testing at Monte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FBf24qub1U&app=desktop

[AL14]

small clip with Ogier testing at Monte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FBf24qub1U&app=desktop

Better let him test first and then Latvala :D

[dimviii]

Οgier testing for Monte
https://youtu.be/DVA2n7B819o

[AL14]

Οgier testing for Monte
https://youtu.be/DVA2n7B819o

It's not bad with that white front wing. :)

[dimviii]

i prefere the dark one.

[AL14]

i prefere the dark one.

Me too, but the white one is not that bad. Does anybody know what he says when he chats with people at 2:14?

[traxx]

He said that temperatures are to high for Monte tests

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWILchDUkAE1Hox.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWILchPUAAAE2-i.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier again for Monte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv_Pohv240A&feature=youtu.be

[EstWRC]

slower than Camilli....

and more of Ogier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKaVYtlNdao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8dYtTHTI9M

[stefanvv]

slower than Camilli....

and more of Ogier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKaVYtlNdao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8dYtTHTI9M

I like Your optimism:D

[dimviii]

https://youtu.be/nOkl-NFJJUs

[EstWRC]

Ogier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tABOk0cwR58&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2UDsYBymxQ&feature=youtu.be

[jbmarcus21]

Ogier debuts VW test Monte event http://planetemarcus.com/ogier-debute-les-essais-vw-pour-le-monte-carlo-2016/

[dimviii]

whats this like a stick in front of the front wheel? it exists at the other side too.

any closer photo?

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-days-vw-monte-carlo-2016/TestDays_Ogier_MonteCarlo16_8.jpg

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://youtu.be/qRIE5r6gY-U

[dimviii]

and another one
https://youtu.be/OStRiKx7E48

[dimviii]

Ogier day 2
https://youtu.be/8rKnMpjESNs

[Allyc85]

whats this like a stick in front of the front wheel? it exists at the other side too.

any closer photo?

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/test-days-vw-monte-carlo-2016/TestDays_Ogier_MonteCarlo16_8.jpg

For knocking more snow into the path of the cars running behind? ;)

[makinen_fan]

whats this like a stick in front of the front wheel? it exists at the other side too.

any closer photo?

does this one help? I have no idea what it is, something for data gathering maybe?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWQ5aUxXAAA4X0N.jpg:large

[Lundefaret]

does this one help? I have no idea what it is, something for data gathering maybe?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWQ5aUxXAAA4X0N.jpg:large

I think its a visual proof of VW always being one step ahead :)

[AMSS]

Just a guess but could be for real time tyre temperature measuring, something like this http://www.advantagemotorsports.com/images/Tire%20Temp.JPG

[dimviii]

Just a guess but could be for real data tyre temperature measuring

something like this must be.For sure is for data,maybe in conjuction with corevit?

[dimviii]

small clip with Latvala from Monte test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImeC9_DQ2E



https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11062251_927054134041309_2256188477174542269_n.jpg ?oh=a4b7094ed754ea1609874e22cb89b4bc&oe=56E3FC61

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://youtu.be/-zREwHYLTfo

https://youtu.be/DwKhqyr0gvY


broken moteur at tests for Ogier and electric problems for Latvala

[AL14]

broken moteur at tests for Ogier and electric problems for Latvala

Are they apporting some new modification we didn't know they wanted to?
It's strange this happen on same car of last year.

[jbmarcus21]

Turn to JML today to prepare Monte Carlo 2016 ... !
photos + video here http://planetemarcus.com/ogier-debute-les-essais-vw-pour-le-monte-carlo-2016/

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/12356846_538155286343192_4744486763542106639_o.jpg

[mousti]

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/676859048290070528

[dimviii]

Nice video with Latvala
https://youtu.be/X73a4b88AUs

cant wait fr Monteeeeeeeeeeeee!!

[dimviii]

Traxx - WR is Free ‏@Traxx_WiF 5 λεπ.πριν από 5 λεπτά

@JariMattiWRC looking for the limits during Monte Carlo tests

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWWV52MWcAAGMNm.jpg


https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/12363242_538480856310635_315913180636671653_o.jpg

[EstWRC]

Latvala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ENdM6SJj4&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRcDfoml2w&feature=youtu.be


https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12378110_538461049645949_6479587900049422985_o.jpg

[car]

Nice video with Latvala
https://youtu.be/X73a4b88AUs

cant wait fr Monteeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Some of the test and fan videos posted to this site portray rallying in a much, much better way in terms of understanding just how quick the cars/drivers are, in comparison to the TV coverage.
Closer to actually being there by a long way.
WRC really could take a lot from camera positioning as featured in videos like this.
Please keep them up.

[AL14]

Another moment for Latvala in the afternoon. The first was in the morning.
Touched something with the front of the car.
Remember that last year he crashed as well during Monte test. He will never learn lol.

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/t31.0-8/12362660_1066155253417858_5140844620470922024_o.jp g
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/t31.0-8/12365949_1066155306751186_2635228067341607182_o.jp g

[N.O.T]

waiting for someone to ask for the millionth time what is that light on the bumper and the reply from mirek... the question is a forum classic all these years.

[stefanvv]

looks like resistant gadget, survived the front impact

[tommeke_B]

waiting for someone to ask for the millionth time what is that light on the bumper and the reply from mirek... the question is a forum classic all these years.

What is that light on the bumper?

[Rallyper]

He´s learning on tests. Better than crashing in competition.

[AL14]

He´s learning on tests. Better than crashing in competition.

Last year worked very well!

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWa_BQuWoAApzOw.png

[EstWRC]

Ogier from BORL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar8JItBbKxE&feature=youtu.be&a

Hyundai for sweden

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWbLCeWWEAEjq2E.jpg

[marcosg]

https://twitter.com/RubnPerez/status/676859048290070528

this can make you wonder: "what if tarmac tyres hadn´t so much grip like they do..."

[HarriK]

Lappi video: https://www.instagram.com/p/_Y-HgwthEP/

[Extremrallye]

Latvala on tests MC 2016.
https://youtu.be/cFXiivbiCUA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Mikkelsen Monte PET

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWc6RyeWEAAWmlv.jpg:large

[dimviii]

nice photo Eddie!!

small clip with Mikkelsen
https://youtu.be/LQNBID5-qLw

[AL14]

Small clip Paddon testing in Sweden

https://www.facebook.com/haydenpaddonwrc/videos/923839254318531/?theater

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc-OXMQddRM&feature=youtu.be

still no one faster than Camilli...

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc-OXMQddRM&feature=youtu.be

still no one faster than Camilli...

you have the stage times ?

[EstWRC]

Dont take it seriously ;)

[dimviii]

borl video from Latvala tests
https://youtu.be/mPnIZRlocjw

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL7ehGZW4PE&feature=youtu.be


and a very good video with some fast passes from Latvala.Bravo to cookrallye!
https://youtu.be/lOIx1ogx71w

[mousti]

Not the best testweek for VW engine problems, electronic issues and it ended all with a crash of Mikkelsen..

[dimviii]

Not the best testweek for VW engine problems, electronic issues and it ended all with a crash of Mikkelsen..

have we got any photo?

[mousti]

For the moment no, but I think there must be photos of it, enough people attending those tests

[dimviii]

The Norwegian was able to become familiar with his new co-driver Anders Jaeger. A collaboration that begins nevertheless subdued since the new crew left the road today (minor). The Polo R-WRC has however suffered too much damage to go.

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/semaine-mouvementee-vw/

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtWH87pHExs

[dimviii]

nice video with Paddon at Sweden testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSZ6Vg3eW4

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtWH87pHExs

nice video!
polo at this bumpy tarmac was astonishing!

[ironseb]

Latvala

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12391224_1171643419675819_6763561815699983069_n.jp g?oh=5fa3786e440ef38b0abbcc103ad92889&oe=570D1D1C&__gda__=1460788500_6089529865526e6252f1196a439f5c1 6

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1171640186342809.1073741851.241407642699406&type=3

[dimviii]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-88282300-1450641810.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-253-0-44510700-1450529072.jpg

[Lundefaret]

Latvala

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12391224_1171643419675819_6763561815699983069_n.jp g?oh=5fa3786e440ef38b0abbcc103ad92889&oe=570D1D1C&__gda__=1460788500_6089529865526e6252f1196a439f5c1 6

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1171640186342809.1073741851.241407642699406&type=3

NOT has been out with his camera again :)

[car]

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-88282300-1450641810.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-253-0-44510700-1450529072.jpg

The top photo is superb.

[itix]

It is O_O
I hate the polo bit damn that's a good photo

[dimviii]

Neuville
https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/7478_1019271344805415_3204023211170572485_n.jpg?oh =357b1494a2b54684566341e5e76104a2&oe=571906B7
https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/10013343_1019271968138686_7155668500303331975_n.jp g?oh=284e6c8cb74173f9b308c9461f33032f&oe=56DC264E
https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12376138_1019271778138705_2167584976651287620_n.jp g?oh=c060d08d9db6db4fca3f69dffd58caf1&oe=570BC9C4
https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/v/t1.0-9/156280_1019271434805406_6602801078221321951_n.jpg? oh=7141ee5a4222755a01a5bf7c384d7a18&oe=5710B777

[dimviii]

http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/inlove.gif

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-35348000-1450728305.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-23976600-1450728423.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-50394000-1450728302.jpg
http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_12_2015/post-144-0-86518100-1450728298.jpg

[EstWRC]

Mikkelsen from BORL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw_2mKEYviY

[Lundefaret]

nice video with Paddon at Sweden testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSZ6Vg3eW4

So, what do all You guys think of the testing so far?

Weve seen everyone pretest Monte Carlo, and Hyundai in Sweden.
Any comments?
How do You think the cars look?
How do You think the drivers look?

[dimviii]

you cant judge from these conditions and tyres something.The only i could say, is that Camilli was quickly adapted to a wrc car.

[EstWRC]

So, what do all You guys think of the testing so far?

Weve seen everyone pretest Monte Carlo, and Hyundai in Sweden.
Any comments?
How do You think the cars look?
How do You think the drivers look?

you tell me please!

[seb_sh]

you cant judge from these conditions and tyres something.The only i could say, is that Camilli was quickly adapted to a wrc car.

I agree, Camilli seemed at home in the WRC.

VW - business as usual.
Hyundai - hard to say, SWE test looked good. I think how interesting this season is depends on how close their new car is to VW.

Lundefaret and others as well, want to risk some prediction about Neuville, Camilli and Paddon? Here's mine:
Neuville: if the new car is fast he will regain confidence, stop overdriving and fight with the VWs, if not then more crashes
Camilli: will steadily improve from low part of top 10 to middle, maybe get close to the podium a few times
Paddon: will continue like last year and will have better results on rallies he knows. will be interesting to see how he (and also Camilli) does in China

[EstWRC]

im not an expert at all on this but FOR ME Latvala and Mikkelsen looked pretty much on the limit compared the others. The others looked pretty much the same for me.

[dimviii]

Suninen testing for Monte

https://scontent.fath4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlt1/v/t1.0-9/5671_937419186294743_4733190355073093845_n.jpg?oh= 6f6d812f52ae2461aad0dfa28cd19a7c&oe=5703E69E

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.937419126294749.1073741928.490449754325024&type=3

[Extremrallye]

Happy new year. Little 2015 best-of :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2-0gT9mXI0

[Lundefaret]

It has been very interesting to follow Hyundais development of their new WRC-car.
It has steadily looked better and better, and is now resembling a quick rally car on most surfaces.
But I have seen some things that I am a little bit unsure about, and I wonder if any one else on this forum has paid special attention to some details, or have any likes/dislikes when it comes to the handling of the new i20?

I will "disclose" my "findings" later, but I want others to come with views unaffected by mine. Any one up for it?

[seb_sh]

It has been very interesting to follow Hyundais development of their new WRC-car.
It has steadily looked better and better, and is now resembling a quick rally car on most surfaces.
But I have seen some things that I am a little bit unsure about, and I wonder if any one else on this forum has paid special attention to some details, or have any likes/dislikes when it comes to the handling of the new i20?

I will "disclose" my "findings" later, but I want others to come with views unaffected by mine. Any one up for it?

Frankly I haven't noticed anything, or more exactly I can't tell how fast the car is from looking. But I would follow the discussion with interest.

EDIT: only thing i did notice is the i20 body seems the "jump" and move more compared to the Polo. Harder suspension? Or maybe that's just the road characteristic.

[EstWRC]

It has been very interesting to follow Hyundais development of their new WRC-car.
It has steadily looked better and better, and is now resembling a quick rally car on most surfaces.
But I have seen some things that I am a little bit unsure about, and I wonder if any one else on this forum has paid special attention to some details, or have any likes/dislikes when it comes to the handling of the new i20?

I will "disclose" my "findings" later, but I want others to come with views unaffected by mine. Any one up for it?

i hope you will analyze everyone not just Hyundai drivers or the car :)

[AL14]

It has been very interesting to follow Hyundais development of their new WRC-car.
It has steadily looked better and better, and is now resembling a quick rally car on most surfaces.
But I have seen some things that I am a little bit unsure about, and I wonder if any one else on this forum has paid special attention to some details, or have any likes/dislikes when it comes to the handling of the new i20?

I will "disclose" my "findings" later, but I want others to come with views unaffected by mine. Any one up for it?

So you start to tease now? :) Very difficult for me to judge a car in some testing videos, there are many variables. I'm not an expert but I guess they test the car in all possible ways, including bad setups, wrong tyres, different driving styles and so on. So one can misunderstand how it performs. Let's see what you have found out.
And don't forget your lists. Lately you didn't use them too much. Very bad. ;)

[Ucci]

Frankly I haven't noticed anything, or more exactly I can't tell how fast the car is from looking. But I would follow the discussion with interest.

EDIT: only thing i did notice is the i20 body seems the "jump" and move more compared to the Polo. Harder suspension? Or maybe that's just the road characteristic.

I noticed a bit more understeering in slow/medium fast corners, especially on tarmac. And not just with the factory drivers, also with the first i20 WRC private driver in the world-Corrado Fontana.

[DonJippo]

I noticed a bit more understeering in slow/medium fast corners, especially on tarmac. And not just with the factory drivers, also with the first i20 WRC private driver in the world-Corrado Fontana.

Same here, quite a bit of understeering and to get the car turn very much sideways around the corners. Looks nice but clock does not like it, also risk of hitting something along the road is higher.

[stefanvv]

Are there any gravel test so far? Only have seen tarmac I think in latest development.

[TWRC]

I noticed a bit more understeering in slow/medium fast corners, especially on tarmac. And not just with the factory drivers, also with the first i20 WRC private driver in the world-Corrado Fontana.
To me, overall it isn't nearly as "smooth" as the Polo. Understeering (not much, but still) in the middle of the corner, the rear suspension seems to lack a bit of grip as well.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Lappi on Monte test

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYILvMkUMAARlCb.jpg:large

[pantealex]

Lappi on Monte test

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYILvMkUMAARlCb.jpg:large

and Kremer

[RS]

I wonder whether Lappi will use Michelin as a works Skoda driver or Pirelli as a BRR driver on Monte.

[AL14]

I wonder whether Lappi will use Michelin as a works Skoda driver or Pirelli as a BRR driver on Monte.

On test picture he's using michelins. I think he will use them.

[Bartek]

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12512317_514137828757256_3254527777934205521_n.jpg ?oh=eb60d830590886426ee6a16362dd26c8&oe=56FDEA39

RK with Pirellis

[EstWRC]

little video of Kubica, this is the right Monte weather!

https://www.facebook.com/162179863937049/videos/557842807704084/

[Lundefaret]

Video, Paddon Sweden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSZ6Vg3eW4

To analyse its easier to take it corner, by corner, section by section.
My question to You is what do we think about:

0.10: Start/acceleration.

0.21: Turn/section

0.27: Turn/section

0.35: Long right hander

0.41: Snow bank steering

[maciotacio]

Kubica test is over. They slipped off the road on slush and hit tree. Not major damage, but can't continue cause the don't have spare parts.
https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/v/t1.0-9/12439041_1087915077896093_1989619778525269035_n.jp g?oh=53fd30286cc74e99d050a4270a6a92c8&oe=574461B8

[rage82]

Some nice photos and short videos from today's Kubica test day:http://powrotroberta.blogspot.bg/2016/01/kubica-rozpocza-testy-przed-monte-carlo.html

[hari]

Gallery: Esapekka Lappi and Armin Kremer testing for Rallye Monte Carlo in Austria:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_brr_test_vor_rallye_monte_carlo_2016_ lappi_kremer.html


http://www.ir7.at/mon.jpg

[hari]

Video - Esapekka Lappi / Armin Kremer - testing for Rallye Monte Carlo:
https://vimeo.com/151129617

http://www.ir7.at/vid.jpg (https://vimeo.com/151129617)

[Marcco]

Video, Paddon Sweden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwSZ6Vg3eW4

To analyse its easier to take it corner, by corner, section by section.
My question to You is what do we think about:

0.10: Start/acceleration.

0.21: Turn/section

0.27: Turn/section

0.35: Long right hander

0.41: Snow bank steering

I'll give it a try.

Acceleration looks good.

Turn/section 21 and 27: It looks like he is throwing a car a bit sideways, but then he starts accelerating quite early so that is good, I guess you can call it nosendfirst'ish? :)

Long right hander, again he puts it sideways and early on throttle. Maybe car is set up to be more "tail happy" and use snowbanks to keep rear end on the road?

Generally I quite like what I see, looks pretty fast, at least it looks that way for my inexperienced eyes.

Let us know what you think Lundefaret.

[Rallyper]

Analyzing is worthless unless you don´t have more cars/drivers to compare with. Reasons are so many more you cant even count them all.
However the car sounds very powerful and looks good from aside. Hope Paddon makes history this year.

[Bartek]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/995353_10153235276101960_7792533251114162056_n.jpg ?oh=5661672bda3b3cf221689da78b486433&oe=5700B363

[AL14]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/995353_10153235276101960_7792533251114162056_n.jpg ?oh=5661672bda3b3cf221689da78b486433&oe=5700B363

who is he?

[rage82]

Ptaszek!

[TWRC]

who is he?
Hubert Ptaszek
Edit: pic of the car befor the ditch:
http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12541061_1001479693224350_954883059905384275_n.jpg ?oh=a66378349c046ca87c4a54d8ff674623&oe=571487E1&__gda__=1459372986_adc4b03814a66e7d76569a72f456e29 0

[AL14]

Thanks.
Meeting ditches on Monte test is not that unusual. The important thing is not to meet them during the rally. Good luck to him.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Shame Kubica hit a tree when he went off... damaged car means end of his test today, rather than tomorrow. :(

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYMw1Z7WEAEV1V6.jpg

RK: "Our crew planned to test two days, but after today's adventure is rather doubtful. Unfortunately, today's tests to the Rallye Monte Carlo we must end prematurely. The slush meant we went off the road and ran into a tree. The damage is small, but we are not able to repair the car on the spot due to a lack of spare parts." Maciej Szczepaniak: "Unfortunately this is the end of the test this weekend."

[Lundefaret]

I'll give it a try.

Acceleration looks good.

Turn/section 21 and 27: It looks like he is throwing a car a bit sideways, but then he starts accelerating quite early so that is good, I guess you can call it nosendfirst'ish? :)

Long right hander, again he puts it sideways and early on throttle. Maybe car is set up to be more "tail happy" and use snowbanks to keep rear end on the road?

Generally I quite like what I see, looks pretty fast, at least it looks that way for my inexperienced eyes.

Let us know what you think Lundefaret.

Okay, here is what I think - and I am open for input.

What I will say is that - tough I dont completely agree with RallyPer about the "analysing is worthless" bit, its difficult to know about stuff like grip level etc, since I neither was present at the test, nor have any other cars to compare with.

0.10:
Very little squat/weight transfer in acceleration.

This could have several reasons, for example:
- Low grip
- Stiff sett up longitudinally compared to grip level
- Strategy (like wanting the car to pull more from the front, testing it with stiffer set up etc)

For me this is maybe there could have been more weight transfer to get more grip.

0.21:
Very little yaw.

This continues my observation in regards to the car being quite stiff in set up.
The front dips very little.
The VW has a very nice movement where it really lowers down on all four wheels - if You want it to.

The left hand corner is taken with a good amount of speed. But there is maybe to much oversteer on the exit. This is especially bad since the next straighter section starts with an uphill, so there is really no acceleration until just a few meters before the next right hander.
And then the car is placed to the right, so not an optimal position for the best acceleration.
A driver like Ogier would have gotten a little more acceleration out of the left hander, just to win a couple of metres, maybe five, on the opponents.


0.27:
Turn in maybe a little to early, so that full acceleration have to wait a little to long?
Acceleration looks OK, but this is difficult to judge whit out a comparison, but it looks like a very good pull from the front.
Still very little body movement longditudally, which either means a stiff set up or low grip, or a combination.

0.35:
Long right hander.
- 0.36: Coming in to the frame with an accelerating rotation angle.
- 0.37: The car has quit a big rotation angle with all wheels pointing in one direction.
- 0.37,5: The steering wheels start pointing in to the turn.
The rest of the corner is driven with this kind of understeer. And this is very fast, and should be a result of a driver with both high confidence in the car, and grip level.
(Or else its just madness:))

0.41:
Snow bank steering.
Comes in to the frame with a very accelerating rotation angle.
Hits the snow bank with the rear, which stops the rotating, and straightens the car for a clean acceleration.
This is a high risk move:
- Snow banks can have different densities.
- The hit in the rear could force a counter reaction in the front, leading the front to be pushed out hard and fast.
But as long as You have these two issues covered, this is a very fast way to end the turn before acceleration.

Summary:
- The car looks to be surprisingly stiff in set up.
- Paddon tends to drive very long with much oversteer when he is under certain grip levels, as we saw in the Monte test with studs on asphalt. He should work on developing some tools to counter this - when its needed.

[dimviii]

Lappi

https://youtu.be/zDayEWz6GiY

[EstWRC]

Kubica

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zw8A_u32C0

[dimviii]

Tempestini testing with r5 fiesta.Listen how different sounds this fiesta.Probably must be evo version?
https://youtu.be/DNuiVuuUOtE

[br21]

for me it's the same sound, just with exhaust without silencer part, that was an option. I doubt they already have new spec engine.

[dimviii]

for me it's the same sound, just with exhaust without silencer part, that was an option. I doubt they already have new spec engine.
havent listened a fiesta r5 sounds like that,thats why i said that.
Thanks for info.

[maciotacio]

Another one of Kubica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EBB3T8eyN8

[Andre Oliveira]

Keane Motorsport told me, that the car only will be fitted with Evo2 specs after MC and before Sweden. So Evo1 to Tempestini

[dimviii]

Ptaszek
https://youtu.be/C9VzxJ496II

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12509504_10208100715015309_6270574254050109887_n.j pg?oh=f16bbed2cd4650f5f0fd9ca948da0d0e&oe=57413564
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/10553584_999979400059334_7150597709140674533_n.jpg ?oh=c7732a799e2bd113c50807a17ccc80af&oe=56FD5374
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1935362_999980040059270_7989903573748213367_n.jpg? oh=b9363ef187df5ddae46eb0290be84ee6&oe=57140A5D

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.999979290059345.1073741937.593079960749282&type=3

[Rally Power]

At the end what matters is to see Suninen going places, but more puzzling than this it's hard to get...

http://planetemarcus.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/oreca-test-monte-carlo-2016/ORECA_Test_MonteCarlo16_5.jpg

Toyota driver; Skoda car; Oreca enter; TGS run; Sun Racing truck!

[RICARDO75]

Test Damien Oberti Peugeot 207 S2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTqwdqbkPhE&feature=em-uploademail

[RICARDO75]

Test Simone Tempestini by RPM RacingRo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq4ZD-L2cv0&feature=em-uploademail

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli PET feature

http://www.autohebdo.fr/rallye/wrc/article-26-1-36873/090116-wrc-eric-camilli-%C2%AB-je-pressentais-ce-potentiel-%C2%BB

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pics

http://www.autohebdo.fr/galerie/wrc_les_essais_monte_carlo_de_eric_camilli_avec_m_ sport--26--1--1603--19149--2.html

[EstWRC]

this is from the first test session, right? M-sport should have second test next week, at least i know that Tänak will have but they are testing together so.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

this is from the first test session, right? M-sport should have second test next week, at least i know that Tänak will have but they are testing together so.

Yes but only posted by Camilli & AutoHebdo yesterday. I didnt remember them being shown before...

[dimviii]

will Kajto participate at Monte with Subaru?
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.931973950223682.1073741905.203506993070385&type=3


small exit of road from Ptaszek
https://youtu.be/8Z-99lpj-Kc

[Sulland]

Keane Motorsport told me, that the car only will be fitted with Evo2 specs after MC and before Sweden. So Evo1 to Tempestini

How do you define the different versions of the Fiesta R5?

[Andre Oliveira]

Nothing :) Peugeot had evolutions and callend all 207 S2000

[maciotacio]

No, Kajto was only helping his friend Gryc with setup issues.

[pol1sh]

Ptaszek rolled his car during his night testing on his recon run...

https://www.facebook.com/PtockRacing/posts/974429435965160?fref=nf

Unknown steering failure is the cause atm

[Mirek]

Hmm, somehow I find it hard to believe it was technical problem but who knows, maybe it was...

[peter_85]

Hmm, somehow I find it hard to believe it was technical problem but who knows, maybe it was...
It seems that the main problem lies between seat and steering wheel...

[rage82]

Camilli is testing today again this time with the new livery.

[EstWRC]

Pictures or we wont believe it!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbF9wxWYAQntmA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbHSv_WwAA0xg1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbQrjQWwAAB2EN.jpg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

New M-Sport livery looking good.. nice evolution !

[EstWRC]

Nice one

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12523905_10153716942820733_1953183532072178627_n.j pg?oh=3ce3411898c6203bade3ea09bd2bb557&oe=57117331

[janvanvurpa]

Pictures or we wont believe it!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbF9wxWYAQntmA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbHSv_WwAA0xg1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYbQrjQWwAAB2EN.jpg



Does anybody know, or can anybody find, how much suspension travel these tarmac cars have now? It looks like quite a lot.. More for tarmac than traditionally we saw on gravel cars 20 years ago.. Surely somebody has or can find real info..

[Mirek]

There were some values for VW floating around but I don't remember them exactly. I think it was something like 37 cm on gravel and 26 on asphalt but I might be wrong.

[dimviii]

Felice Re

https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12522940_764300573701362_6544208683274659182_n.jpg ?oh=d2bc5c179c1ac3867c6fa0725854c127&oe=57428124

[GigiGalliNo1]

I believe the front arches have a bigger gap between the top of the tyre and the arch, see the sliding photo of the Fiesta?

The three photos which you asked and quoted, the car is Not sitting on the ground

[janvanvurpa]

There were some values for VW floating around but I don't remember them exactly. I think it was something like 37 cm on gravel and 26 on asphalt but I might be wrong.

That looks like it could be in that range....and if that is the case it really is a huge increase--for both surfaces. Mid 90s Group A Subaru and Fords were right at 155mm total shaft travel (I have bought ex Boreham and Prodrive Bilstein inserts) and gravel fronts was around 190-200mm.

I may personally be only interested in gravel, but I watch and study---and scratch my head---asfalto rally and it has seemed that tthe cars a LOT more travel than previously --on tarmac I'm saying and that they work much better than previously...

I wonder if they use different uprights and subframes (like in the Good Ol' days of Group A)?

Do you know if Manufacturers must still submit detailed Homologation papers as before?
I haven't really looked over anything since the Whirled Rally Car Escort Cosworth.
(sigh) how I miss details

[janvanvurpa]

I believe the front arches have a bigger gap between the top of the tyre and the arch, see the sliding photo of the Fiesta?

The three photos which you asked and quoted, the car is Not sitting on the ground

Si si, claro..The big hint I noticed was the jack stands plugged into the jacking points and the gap between the tires and the ground...usually that's a hint the car is not being driven..:uhoh:

oddly enough I just spent a couple of hours under a car in the very same configuration--a Ford (but an old Sierra)---yesterday and as soon as my little girls are off to school I crawl back under (I forgot to take loose the turbo oil drain--it was getting dark..Pobre mio!:bigcry:)


EDIT, except now its raining and its +4 and I don't get paid like WRC mechanics so I go make metal into rally parts today.

[Mirek]

That looks like it could be in that range....and if that is the case it really is a huge increase--for both surfaces. Mid 90s Group A Subaru and Fords were right at 155mm total shaft travel (I have bought ex Boreham and Prodrive Bilstein inserts) and gravel fronts was around 190-200mm.

I may personally be only interested in gravel, but I watch and study---and scratch my head---asfalto rally and it has seemed that tthe cars a LOT more travel than previously --on tarmac I'm saying and that they work much better than previously...

I wonder if they use different uprights and subframes (like in the Good Ol' days of Group A)?

Do you know if Manufacturers must still submit detailed Homologation papers as before?
I haven't really looked over anything since the Whirled Rally Car Escort Cosworth.
(sigh) how I miss details

You mean different uprights and subframes for asphalt and gravel? That's not allowed. In fact they are obliged to have same even for front and rear.

The homologation papers are detailed but for an average Joe it's not easy to get to those of WRC cars. I don't have anything recent but some older stuff I do. I'll send You PM.

[makinen_fan]

In fact they are obliged to have same even for front and rear.

Isn't this only for the R5 cars?

[Mirek]

You're right, sorry.

[SpeedEstRacing]

My Video Test monte carlo 2016 - Quentin Gilbert - DS3 R5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvZ6WyNoFPA

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Camilli PET video

https://youtu.be/bAibxvQoZZI

[itix]

Felice Re

https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12522940_764300573701362_6544208683274659182_n.jpg ?oh=d2bc5c179c1ac3867c6fa0725854c127&oe=57428124
Seeing this image reminded me of something.

The tiny circle with an E in it, next to a triangle, what does it mean?

I remember gluing that symbol to my plastic Peugeot 206 wrc model as a kid so it's not new.

[CWJ]

triangle is electrical mainswitch
circle is fire extinguisher unit

[Bartek]

another good one with Camilli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5aMDcbvBw

[EstWRC]

Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1RTxD2wGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJU_U3vMoPk

isnt he too agressive in the shorter video? i have understood that smooth, neat and tidy style is good for tarmac.

[b3637853]

Camilli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1RTxD2wGI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJU_U3vMoPk

isnt he too agressive in the shorter video? i have understood that smooth, neat and tidy style is good for tarmac.

Yeah... Kubica style ;) Anyway it's second test session before Monte for M-Sport and they have dry or damp conditions which are just part of MC. Little snow can really surprise them.

[makinen_fan]

Sordo testing the new i20. The car looks too 'boxy' to me with the new livery

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYgl5bLWsAAZIuU.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYgwDjRWYAE4uKW.jpg

[René]

@DaniSordo very fast at Monté test but crashed the car, crew OK

https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/686868569288753152

[rage82]

@DaniSordo very fast at Monté test but crashed the car, crew OK

https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/686868569288753152
Ha, that's interesting, Dani is not crash prone especially on tarmac maybe he was trying really hard to see where are the limits of the car and trying to battle the all mighty VW.

[dimviii]

Mads testing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYg98uiWEAAO6E3.jpg

[maciotacio]

I just wonder, how badly he damaged new i20. Does anybody know? And how will that affect on Neuville test.

[dimviii]

I just wonder, how badly he damaged new i20. Does anybody know? And how will that affect on Neuville test.

he continious the test,so nothing serious

[dimviii]

Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5clazOskKA&app=desktop

[dimviii]

Eric Camilli ‏@EricCamilli
Working on pacenote for our 1st WRC race@nicokcodriver

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYiQz9sWQAAdgfL.jpg

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYiaStxW8AE-dW2.jpg

[Eli]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/cyiastxw8ae-dw2.jpg

nice shot!!!

[dimviii]

https://scontent-mrs1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/12402168_1008375012560124_444342958563175968_o.jpg
https://scontent.fath3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12549079_1008374722560153_8440189989995569812_n.jp g?oh=c56c3192c4c9a076ed60de69a00cb22c&oe=571040D8

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1008371319227160.1073741963.596367477094215&type=3

[Fast Eddie WRC]

On that Sordo test vid the New i20 looks like it's gliding over the road surface.. Nice.

[dimviii]

On that Sordo test vid the New i20 looks like it's gliding over the road surface.. Nice.

not at this one though
https://youtu.be/a5N2WG1kup4

[Mirek]

It looks for sure faster than 2015 car but it's completely different than Polo. Anyway it seems to be spectacular car :)

[Mk2 RS2000]

It looks for sure faster than 2015 car but it's completely different than Polo. Anyway it seems to be spectacular car :)

And looks like to have quite a bit of torque out of slow corners.

[N.O.T]

not at this one though
https://youtu.be/a5N2WG1kup4

on this one it looks like a proper rally car, we will have to wait and see.

[dimviii]

And looks like to have quite a bit of torque out of slow corners.

is it torque,or not proper adjusting at rear suspension/diffs? Didnt impressed me.

[dimviii]

Maurin testing with 2C.He is on Michelins
https://youtu.be/WL65XQLQPRo

[Lundefaret]

is it torque,or not proper adjusting at rear suspension/diffs? Didnt impressed me.

For me it again (like Paddon in Sweden) looks like its a little bit stiffly sprung compared to the VW. Its off course difficult to say if its the springs/dampers etc. But where the VW is benign, sucking up bumps, the Hyundai hops and darts.

It looks good on initial turn in - much better than the 15. But mid corner, or in corner where You have an actual direction change, it still looks like it has understeering tendencies. This doesn't have to be a bad thing.

It looks faster than the 15 - but this is very difficult to judge - but it does not look like a revolution.

For me the car seems at its best when there is around 70-80% grip. Then it looks drivable, and benign. More grip and the pointing, darting jumping starts. Less grip, and its sliding everywhere.
But since we have not seen it compared to the other WRC cars, its very difficult, and it can be results of set up, grip levels, strategy, etc etc.
It will be very exiting to follow. I really hope this is a tool to challenge VW, it would be great for the championship!

[Lundefaret]

Maurin testing with 2C
https://youtu.be/WL65XQLQPRo


Effective, but could be a little bit more daring with his lines. A big risk of understeering of if grip levels changes, or are low, or a corner tightens/is tighter than expected.

[EstWRC]

Man, Sordo seems really fast on that testing vid but the car seems to be quite nervous and tail happy for me but then again im not a specialist.

[Lundefaret]

Yeah... Kubica style ;) Anyway it's second test session before Monte for M-Sport and they have dry or damp conditions which are just part of MC. Little snow can really surprise them.

This is not Kubica style.

[dimviii]

For me it again (like Paddon in Sweden) looks like its a little bit stiffly sprung compared to the VW. Its off course difficult to say if its the springs/dampers etc. But where the VW is benign, sucking up bumps, the Hyundai hops and darts.

It looks good on initial turn in - much better than the 15. But mid corner, or in corner where You have an actual direction change, it still looks like it has understeering tendencies. This doesn't have to be a bad thing.

It looks faster than the 15 - but this is very difficult to judge - but it does not look like a revolution.

For me the car seems at its best when there is around 70-80% grip. Then it looks drivable, and benign. More grip and the pointing, darting jumping starts. Less grip, and its sliding everywhere.
But since we have not seen it compared to the other WRC cars, its very difficult, and it can be results of set up, grip levels, strategy, etc etc.
It will be very exiting to follow. I really hope this is a tool to challenge VW, it would be great for the championship!

same impressions as me.Lifts front wheel at small bumps,suspension seems too stiff,and understeer at tight corner entry which drives to oversteer at exits of tight corners.Same disadvantages of the old model.
But as you said we dont know if is the final setup,or if it was a compromise setup for smoother stages etc.

[dimviii]

This is not Kubica style.

of course its not Kubica style.Kubica at well known test stages is way faster and without errors at all.At last videos Camilli doesnt seem so nice as at first videos.Too much hesitate at corners entry,seems like he was ''searching'' the right line.

[dimviii]

have we seen this video of Suninen?

https://youtu.be/ss9reDi6y4I

[EstWRC]

i agree with you about Camilli, looked better on first session, it seems im starting to understand something in here :D

[EstWRC]

Sordo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twSPLiLMeYo

[dimviii]

Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIISNxOyXR4

[Lundefaret]

of course its not Kubica style.Kubica at well known test stages is way faster and without errors at all.At last videos Camilli doesnt seem so nice as at first videos.Too much hesitate at corners entry,seems like he was ''searching'' the right line.

Cant say that I agree with those statements. Kubica on tests are too often to fast with to high risk, resulting in a too narrow set up, and also to aggressive driving on the rally proper, leading to multiple offs - even on one and the same rally. Kubica needs to learn three things to become a very good rally driver, but so far its just more of the same. Very impressive speed, extremely high risk.

On Camilli: Testing different set ups and different lines/driving techniques is how You should do a test. You should also drive at about 80% (thats the race pace), and do the set up accordingly. Then You should have a couple of finishing runs at 100% attack, just to see that nothing acts funny, bottoms out etc. This is from "The School Of Mäkinen."

[dimviii]

Cant say that I agree with those statements. Kubica on tests are too often to fast with to high risk, resulting in a too narrow set up, and also to aggressive driving on the rally proper, leading to multiple offs - even on one and the same rally. Kubica needs to learn three things to become a very good rally driver, but so far its just more of the same. Very impressive speed, extremely high risk.


i said about well known tests.

[Lundefaret]

i said about well known tests.

I heard You.

[dimviii]

I heard You.

you heard me,but you write for multiple offs at one rally.

[Lundefaret]

Man, Sordo seems really fast on that testing vid but the car seems to be quite nervous and tail happy for me but then again im not a specialist.

It seems like a result of several compromises, something that leads me to think that either the geometry or the roll centre or a combination is a little bit on the extreme side. But it can be other things to.

As dimviii points out the car is actually a little understeered, thats why You have these tail slides on the exit, and it can seem oversteered (tough the opposite is true). To conquer the understeer its quite aggressive on initial turn in, and thats probably why it seems nervous.
When it comes to this understeering bit this dont need to be a bad thing, but You have to be able to drive it correctly. If Your tail always slides out on the exit, thats a sign that You are not.

[Lundefaret]

you heard me,but you write for multiple offs at one rally.

Yes.
When Kubica tests, especially on test stages he knows well, he drives too fast and with to high risk. One thing is that this leads to small or larger errors on the test. But this also leads to problems in set up, because of the load he will generate trough the suspension and tires is much higher than he is able to on the proper rally - because there he doesn't know the stages that well. And this also says a lot off his point of perspective in regards to driving fast. He uses circuit racing techniques when You can drive 110%, because if You go 10% wider, are 10% to late on the brakes, take a corner 10% to early, You have room to straighten it out whit out crashing, but just loosing a little bit of time.
Kubica is a great driver, no doubt about it, but he needs to understand rally to be good at it. And by being good at it I dont mean setting some good stage times, and then crash on the next, but deliver good race results.

Kubica is almost a little irritating, because he is such a good driver, and he would use so little time to crack the code if he was coached correctly. I hope that he could meet someone, or have a personal epiphany that leads him on the right path.

[Mariusz]

Looks like he may not have a chance to finish the learning. He is not on Rally Sweden entry list and this probably means that he wasn't able to secure budget to do WRC.

[dimviii]

Mads
https://youtu.be/0uGlDdGzHCg

[EstWRC]

Ostberg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bBo9ujCs3Q&feature=youtu.be

[Sulland]

Østberg looks to be reunited with the Fiesta, and as it looked, we see more of his old natural driving style.
I guess the teamwork with Fløene also is gelled in!

[Rally Power]

On Camilli: Testing different set ups and different lines/driving techniques is how You should do a test.

Yep, it will look different every time he tries a new set up, but overall he may have a bit more aggressive driving style than the other frenchies. Unlike Loeb and Ogier, Camilli has serious karting roots, with some top level results ( http://www.rallye-sport.fr/eric-camilli-futur-grand/ )

Btw, Suninen also came from Karting. It's great to see young kids choosing to start a rally career instead of staying on the track racing path!

[dimviii]

Mads
https://youtu.be/Z-v1L5AKN7I

[Simmi]

Looking forward to seeing VW testing in ice/snowy conditions today. Not enough of that so far in the works team testing.

Do we know yet what conditions to expect for the rally itself?

[AL14]

The differences between Mads and Camilli in some places are huge.
I fear Evans could be faster than Camilli with an R5 in Monte. But is ok, the most important thing for Camilli is the difference between his performances from now to November. If there will be enough improvement and more space for learning the next year he could be confirmed.
I fear it will be very tough for him on first few events btw.

[AL14]

Looking forward to seeing VW testing in ice/snowy conditions today. Not enough of that so far in the works team testing.

Do we know yet what conditions to expect for the rally itself?

First forecasts say it will be sunny except for some clouds on thursday. But I think it is too early to take it too much seriously. Let's wait what Bluufod has to say when the situation will be more clear.

[EstWRC]

I actually think that monte is the event where camilli could surprise, he set very good stage times there last year and I think he was leading before he retired with some kind of problem. I doubt Evans will be faster than him but I'm not ruling it out.

E: Correcting, he wasnt leading the rally but he won 6 stages. He lost a lot of time on the first stage, anyone remembers what happened?

[Lundefaret]

I actually think that monte is the event where camilli could surprise, he set very good stage times there last year and I think he was leading before he retired with some kind of problem. I doubt Evans will be faster than him but I'm not ruling it out.

E: Correcting, he wasnt leading the rally but he won 6 stages. He lost a lot of time on the first stage, anyone remembers what happened?

I think You are right.

Camilla is very inexperienced, but undoubtedly a big talent.
In the start of the season he will both impress, with dome very good stage times, and depress, with offs and very uneven stage times.
But I won't surprise if he ends the season bathing Mads on gravel, and being faster on tarmac.
In 2017 (if Camilli is still at M-Sport), I think Mads will have to work very hard to keep Camilli behind him.

[dimviii]

Latvala testing today.Lets see the videos guys!

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12400964_10153721533120733_8491546500978252216_n.j pg?oh=68bd11fedd71d14396e5d7cf79848bb9&oe=570F3228

[makinen_fan]

Latvala testing today.Lets see the videos guys!


An early one
https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/687246120523804672

[makinen_fan]

Day 2 with Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xulZ50zTY4g&feature=youtu.be

I think the car looks better here. It is not so nervous with the back end and the suspension looks more tuned for this smoother road.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Bertelli testing today

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYnQn7_WMAAsOAN.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYnQorPWwAApuBs.jpg

[seb_sh]

Day 2 with Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xulZ50zTY4g&feature=youtu.be

I think the car looks better here. It is not so nervous with the back end and the suspension looks more tuned for this smoother road.

Yeah, that looks better to me as well. I'm more optimistic that we will have an interesting fight this season.

[Mariusz]

Yeah, that looks better to me as well. I'm more optimistic that we will have an interesting fight this season.
They must have read on the Internet that something was wrong with their setup and voilà, it's fixed :)

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N6933250xc&feature=youtu.be

[EstWRC]

Bertelli http://youtu.be/l4nKKe2eX1Q

[dimviii]

and another one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtn2FGKhSgM&feature=youtu.be

[dimviii]

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywjslGF9SMY&feature=youtu.be

[Fast Eddie WRC]

JA Suarez using all the road and more on his Rallye Monte-Carlo PET today!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYoLSfgWwAAPgD9.jpg:large

[Lundefaret]

Day 2 with Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xulZ50zTY4g&feature=youtu.be

I think the car looks better here. It is not so nervous with the back end and the suspension looks more tuned for this smoother road.

Looks much better. The first set up actually looks like Neuvilles set up when he struggles with understeering. He some times ends up whit a tail happy, quick turn in car.

[Lundefaret]

They must have read on the Internet that something was wrong with their setup and voilà, it's fixed :)

Yes, I think You are right, hehe :)

[Lundefaret]

Latvala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N6933250xc&feature=youtu.be

The suspension of the VW is just incredible. But via, via I heard the cost of ONE corner, and the was just astronomical, and enough to by a pretty good 4wd rally car.

[itix]

JA Suarez using all the road and more on his Rallye Monte-Carlo PET today!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYoLSfgWwAAPgD9.jpg:large
Grrrawr, so good looking. Shame it isn't a WRC and a bit faster :/

[makinen_fan]

Ogier testing today in snow, early video
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/687569302287966208

[EstWRC]

Tänak also testing in Snow https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/status/687579538017091584

[Bartek]

Ogier testing today in snow, early video
https://twitter.com/Traxx_WiF/status/687569302287966208

Ohh what a conditions, beautiful scene

[dimviii]

Ogier
https://youtu.be/_qDuHPDj1VA

[dimviii]

Neuville also testing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYq1ih4WYAA1n5Y.jpg

[EightGear]

Will Citroën do any test at all? We haven't seen any of them have we?

[dimviii]

Traxx WIF

VW side, the snow is too much on the special test for the Polo Ogier can evolve


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYq6ZTzWsAESkSz.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYq6ZUJWwAEbztW.jpg

[dimviii]

Camilli with some incars too
https://youtu.be/6e5385isZZk


https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12466037_549398655218855_3096321820648702375_o.jpg

[makinen_fan]

Neuville 4min video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB20dGQkWqQ&feature=youtu.be