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call_me_andrew
2nd March 2008, 00:16
From Yahoo http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/01032008/58/japanese-gp-fans-sue-fuji.html

Disgruntled fans are preparing to take Fuji Speedway to court after claiming that the circuit failed to live up to their expectations when it returned to the Formula One schedule in 2007.

Around 70 individuals are planning to sue the circuit for what they claim was 'gross mismanagement' of the event, which was blighted by often torrential rain, in an attempt to recoup not only the money they spent on tickets, but also several thousand yen worth of damages.

The basis of their claims, which will be put in front of Tokyo District Court next month, centres on the fact that the view from their seats was obstructed and that they suffered from the traffic chaos caused by a one-way system and the enforced use of shuttle buses.

Many spectators seated in makeshift stands erected behind more permanent facilities in order to cater for the demand for tickets at the event complained that their view was blocked for parts of the race, while traffic jams blighted ingress and egress from the circuit, with fans obliged to wait long periods of time to use the shuttle bus service mandated by organisers.

Fuji has already admitted that there were teething problems with its first grand prix since the 1970s, but the refunds already offered did not go far enough, according to the group now seeking redress. The circuit is reported to have returned 50,000 yen to 7100 spectators who had bought 61,000-yen tickets for reserved seats whose views were partly obstructed. The amount equates to the difference in price between reserved and non-reserved seats. The venue also refunded tickets to some 85 people who could prove that they had not been able to get into the circuit before the race started.

However, that was not enough to satisfy the latest group, who have been scouting for more affected parties via the internet.

"Besides those who got refunds, many suffered pain," a spokesman for the group told Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun, "The refund criteria are not fair, [and] we would like to let the reality of the damage be known better through the lawsuit."

Fuji is scheduled to stage this year's Japanese Grand Prix in October.

ioan
2nd March 2008, 01:20
There must be a fault there.
Returning 50000 yen to 7100 spectators? Around 7 yen/spectator? With 1yen = 0.00963 USD, that makes around 0.07 USD/spectator! :D

BDunnell
2nd March 2008, 01:58
'Suffered pain'? I occasionally suffer pain as a result of reading these forums, or my bus journey every morning. Should I sue?

Valve Bounce
2nd March 2008, 12:39
Sounds like a whale of a tale :D

k1ngy
2nd March 2008, 13:37
There must be a fault there.
Returning 50000 yen to 7100 spectators? Around 7 yen/spectator? With 1yen = 0.00963 USD, that makes around 0.07 USD/spectator! :D

I hope you read it incorrectly as the way i read was that 50,000 yen of 61,000 yen cost of ticket was refunded not that they spread 61,000 among 7,100 spectators otherwise there would be serious rows on the telephone

Garry Walker
2nd March 2008, 14:29
'Suffered pain'? I occasionally suffer pain as a result of reading these forums, or my bus journey every morning. Should I sue?

You never know these days what kind of a verdict you get at the court with some judges being full blown morons. You might just win.

markabilly
2nd March 2008, 17:50
'Suffered pain'? I occasionally suffer pain as a result of reading these forums, or my bus journey every morning. Should I sue?
ABSOLUTELY!!! Buzzards got to eat, too

BTW--my lawyer will be contacting you shortly for copies of your insurance policies as well as the records of all your assets. Please understand, it is nothing personal, just business.....

ioan
2nd March 2008, 22:07
I hope you read it incorrectly as the way i read was that 50,000 yen of 61,000 yen cost of ticket was refunded not that they spread 61,000 among 7,100 spectators otherwise there would be serious rows on the telephone

You mean they bought tickets that did cost in excess of 550 USD/person?! And they refunded 450USD/person? It seems a lot to me.

Ari
3rd March 2008, 05:47
You mean they bought tickets that did cost in excess of 550 USD/person?! And they refunded 450USD/person? It seems a lot to me.

Agreed. I can't imagine refunding some 80% of the ticket price. It would also be difficult to get a precedent. Once it becomes entirely public everyone who went to the GP will want their refunds.

If the GP runs on 20% of ticket then they're just spend a bucket load of cash....

wmcot
3rd March 2008, 06:51
Wow! And they call the USA the land of litigation? At the 2004 USGP we had South American fans with a large cigar in front of us. Should I sue because the wafts of smoke occasionally obscured my view?

Then again, if the courts are stupid enough to award damages - why not sue? ;)

ChrisS
3rd March 2008, 07:00
Agreed. I can't imagine refunding some 80% of the ticket price. It would also be difficult to get a precedent. Once it becomes entirely public everyone who went to the GP will want their refunds.

If the GP runs on 20% of ticket then they're just spend a bucket load of cash....

The tickets for the seats were 61000 Yen, 11000 Yen was the general admission price for the F1 race, 50000 Yen refund means the 7100 will only be charged general admission.

I'm curious to what "partly obstructed" means.

Mark
3rd March 2008, 10:56
I once had to wait 3 hours in a traffic jam in order to get into the BTCC at Donington Park, and I missed the first race because of it. I didn't seek legal redress however.

SGWilko
3rd March 2008, 13:03
I once had to wait 3 hours in a traffic jam in order to get into the BTCC at Donington Park, and I missed the first race because of it. I didn't seek legal redress however.

With our carp transport/road systems, us Brits are battle hardened to traffic jams.

Mind you, we used to think Silverstone had bad jams.......

SkyTom
3rd March 2008, 15:23
Sounds like a whale of a tale :D


:D

jso1985
3rd March 2008, 19:47
"suffered pain"? :rotflmao:

wmcot
4th March 2008, 07:24
"suffered pain"? :rotflmao:

Strained neck muscles from trying to see the cars - I hereby award each plaintiff two ibuprofen and a glass of water! ;)

SGWilko
4th March 2008, 10:59
Strained neck muscles from trying to see the cars - I hereby award each plaintiff two ibuprofen and a glass of water! ;)

Careful now, you might get sued yourself for that if any of said plaintiffs have a history of Stomach Ulcers, you may just be helping them on the way to perforation......!!!

And here was me thinking Fans Sue Fuji was the name of the head guy at Nissan!!!! :laugh:

555-04Q2
4th March 2008, 13:00
'Suffered pain'? I occasionally suffer pain as a result of reading these forums, or my bus journey every morning. Should I sue?

Yes !!! No one is safe from being sued ( except Fousto who scares the cr@p out of everyone including lawyers and judges :p : )

BlackRain
4th March 2008, 23:03
I think Japanese know a lot about traffic jam. They are battle hardened (not me.) However I hear the situation @ Silverstone was really terrible (especially when rained several years? back).

They are comparing situation beteen Suzuka and Fuji. Maybe they prefer Suzuka. So many of them are Honda fans.

"Suing", yes of course, they learned from US attitude, my friend.

woody2goody
5th March 2008, 00:23
I think nearly everyone who has been to an F1 race has experienced one or more of these things. Most of these people may not have been before. They should stop complaining really. They got to see a great race despite the rain.