CMR2 Rallye Automobile Montecarlo

[jso1985]

Alright guys, time for the first round of the year, as suggested by many drivers, we're switching to 2 day rallyes(new timecard is also available to download), but we're still testing it, so we might switch back to 3 day rallyes in the future.

The rally will be run with the following format
Shakedown stage: Italy SS3(mirrored)
Day 1: Italy(Mirrored) Expert Level
Day 2: Sweden(Mirrored) WET TARMAC TYRES ONLY intermediate level
Rally starts on Saturday and deadline for submissions is on Tuesday 23rd 23:59 GMT

for more info go to: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/cmr2wc

have fun!

[tannat]

Looking forward to our first rally(e) in the Focus. I've driven it in Dravas' US championship and found it to be a good partner.

This is going to be a low stress year for us. After pushing to 4ht last year, we are simply having fun this year (and hopefully score points along the way).


Best of luck, gang :up:

Tannat
Red Bull Ford Focus

[Sir Killalot]

The rally will be run with the following format
Shakedown stage: Italy SS3(mirrored)


Wich stage is that, i don't have a ss3?

or is it stage 3 in Italy?

[Exhausted]

Wich stage is that, i don't have a ss3?

or is it stage 3 in Italy?

yes it is stage 3 in Italy, and remember to activate the mirrored tracks cheat!

[Sir Killalot]

Ok, then I have it correct. Mirrored tracks yes.

[Mad cat jnr]

looking foreward to this. Do we post our shakedown stage on here?

Joe

[Sir Killalot]

Alright guys, time for the first round of the year, as suggested by many drivers, we're switching to 2 day rallyes(new timecard is also available to download), but we're still testing it, so we might switch back to 3 day rallyes in the future.

The timecard workes, I downloaded and testet it. But I saw one thing, there's one more stage than spots available in the timecard.

Shakedown doesn't count or something?

[Rat]

Shakedown is done before the Rally, naturally! So it doesn't count towards the total Rally distance.
Enjoy!
Game ON
Red Bull RULES!

[jso1985]

yep shakedown is just to compare how fast you are compared to the other drivers before the rally, it doesn't count towards the results and it isn't compulsory to do it, if you do it you post the results here

[Mad cat jnr]

03:35.01 is my quickest, but thats my first go on the game in 2 months :D

Joe

[Mad cat jnr]

How do i send my times?

[Sir Killalot]

Well i've done a shakedown, it ended in 02:59.36, pretty satisfied with that.

[GrP]

I have so much work recently that is killing me. It's nice to be back in Monte Carlo, I'm sure it's going to be a fabolous event. I hope the competition will be as hard as never :)

[jso1985]

How do i send my times?

via PM or to [email:2xw8yzgk]jso_1985@yahoo.com[/email:2xw8yzgk]

[J.Lindstroem]

Just finished the Shakedown. Not satisfied at all, rolled in the middle of the stage and spun a few times.

Time: 03:01:29!

[tannat]

Felt great to get back in a rally car again, and we are embracing the challenge of adapting to a new team and new car..

2 57 97 Used analog stic (YUK) and steering to fast
2 55 28 Thumpad and slower steering, too slow actually
2 54 80 Rough run, but car feels good
2 52 15 Still a bit of push...
2 49 69 :up: (new personal best)


On the final run we used +1 for steering and 0 setting for the torque split. Rather than having to handbrake the car like a fool to get it to turn in, it felt much more crisp, and just a slight bit of brake before the turn in worked just fab...

Hoping to net a top 5 result in our first rally for Ford. Wonder if that Subaru driver will try that stunt on the frozen lake stage as he did last year.. :p

[GrP]

My shakedown times were:
- 2:36,32
- 2:35,01

But I'm little worried about the second day in snow. I lost a lot there last year, it's one of the biggest challenges in whole season. Aproach has to be entirely different there ...

[cyborg_hun]

Hi!

My shakedown time is 2:47.86
I think i can develop a bit, but the 2nd day will be a suffering with wet tires and Auto transmission :)

Good luck to everyone!

[jso1985]

Did shakedown: 2:53,49, although this was my first run with the car since rally GB.
But day 2 is the biggest challenge of the season, have struggled there in the past years so I'm hoping I can find some grip during those stages

[dravas76]

Shakedown finish for Dravas76:

3:05.12
3:00.45
2:55.98

Faster this year, I change my wheel setup. The steering is faster so faster direction change.

[tannat]

Good to see so many people taking part in shakedown :up:

Last year the shakedown stage was pretty lonely for Rat and I...

[Ramore]

I have a problem with the mirror cheat again. I have tried kcartrorrim, but it is not working. Can you help me with this, or tell me exactly which rally I have to win to open the cheat naturally. Thank you

[Ramore]

Sorry, I found it, the working one is waveyourlefts. So for Sweden, I should use wed tarmac tyres, right? What is the point of that?

[tannat]

I don't think snow tires are allowed on the actual Monte, so we do the same here.. :D

[Exhausted]

So for Sweden, I should use wed tarmac tyres, right?

No, snow tyres are allowed for both Sweden and Norway!

[Exhausted]

I don't think snow tires are allowed on the actual Monte, so we do the same here.. :D

Snow tyres wouldn't do much good in the real Monte as there is way more ice than snow.

But is'nt there a rule that you have to pick your tyres months before the event actually starts?

I remember some years ago in Sweden where there was almost no snow, so all of the teams got their studded tyres ripped apart by frozen gravel roads.

[Rat]

Tannat, I'll be there. I've just upgraded my computer and don't it work good! The Red Bull is coming in handy with the new Focus. I'm faster than last year!
3:17.24
3:05.78
3:07.34
Spun on the last 2 runs. forgot the times.
New car, new Team, faster car! Fun!

[Mad cat jnr]

No, snow tyres are allowed for both Sweden and Norway!

No only wets are allowed on the second day of the Monte.

[Exhausted]

03:14.73
03:14.97
03:17.38
03:17.42
03:09.94

We have done alot of work on the suspention and steering, and I'm slowly getting used to the new car on the tight and twisty roads.. learning by doing!

[Exhausted]

No only wets are allowed on the second day of the Monte.

I know.. but for the Sweden and Norway rallys!!

[Mad cat jnr]

Yes

[tannat]

No, snow tyres are allowed for both Sweden and Norway!


Clarification:

Sweden and Norway-snow tires allowed
Sweden stages for the Monte rally-NO snow tires allowed :D

[jso1985]

or to be more specific: Sweden stages for Monte Rally: WET TARMAC tyres only(technically you could run on dry tarmac ones, well that's only of you wanna go slower of course...)

[Ramore]

Hey,

I;ve just finished the rally, but I don't really recall to whom e-mail I should send my times. Can someone help me?

About the rally - not so good. I haven't played since the summer, so I expect I will find my form in the next couple of events. But it's still real fun, although I haven't done italy in mirror, so I sort of get lost in the last stage, but it's great fun, as I mentioned. I can't wain to see where I am standing, probably at the bottom half of the table.

[dravas76]

Dravas76 finish the rally of Montecarlo.

Everything was ok expecting the la stage of Day 1. I was lost again in that stage. That cost me 12 sec :(

[tannat]

Hey,

I;ve just finished the rally, but I don't really recall to whom e-mail I should send my times. Can someone help me?

About the rally - not so good. I haven't played since the summer, so I expect I will find my form in the next couple of events. But it's still real fun, although I haven't done italy in mirror, so I sort of get lost in the last stage, but it's great fun, as I mentioned. I can't wain to see where I am standing, probably at the bottom half of the table.

PM your times to the guy just above your post ;)

[tannat]

Dravas76 finish the rally of Montecarlo.

Everything was ok expecting the la stage of Day 1. I was lost again in that stage. That cost me 12 sec :(


That's a bitch of a stage, dravas. Hope it was dry for you....

[Exhausted]

What a race!

The last stage of day 1 was killer! But sadly I damaged my car very early on that stage so the balance of the car was way off, not good for such a twisty stage!

Day 2: Great fun! And a nice warmup for Norway and Sweden!

[Ramore]

PM your times to the guy just above your post ;)

OK, by PM you mean Private Message, right. But how am I supposed to attach the excell file with my times? Can you just give an e-mail address or something.

[jso1985]

[email:fdv4i80i]jso_1985@yahoo.com[/email:fdv4i80i]

:)

[dravas76]

That's a bitch of a stage, dravas. Hope it was dry for you....

Yes, it was dry.

[Rat]

Hey we finished in 1 piece?
Day 1:
Stages 1 to 4 were very WET! Trying to impress the new Team and with a new car, it's not advisable to bend anything, right? Can I get away with a couple of creased guards? Very nearly fell off the road near the end of stage 4. Stages 5 & 6 were dry but still very slippery! Stages 7 & 8, again wet and heavy fog everywhere, huge slides! Fun. Stage 10 was a difficult stage, wet and stormy.
Day 2:
Snow and wet tarmac tyres are not fun! Full throttle anywhere resulted in wheel spin and no go. Careful driving was the key to a good time. All day we slid and managed to plant ourselves into the river on stage 7!
Overall, I think we did ok, no real damage caused and the Team Boss is happy with us.

[tannat]

Just compared day 1 times with the same stages from last year, and I am ashamed...

Never thought much about the difference amongst cars in this game, but I think I just learned a hard lesson. The Ford is much different than the Peugeot. Far quicker to chage direction, and I think that caught us out. Had a few offs, and many of the service crew have threatened to leave if wea aren't more careful with the car. REALLY should have recce'd for this one. Almost feels as if we are completely new to the game....

Day 2 ahead :(

[Rat]

I really enjoyed driving the Focus. It's a real point and shoot type of car. Suits my driving style! Hope there is enough Red Bull this season........

[Marcel Haenen]

Marcel Haenen finishes Monte

Day 1: we had to get used to the subu in these conditions. despite some minor errors the times were very encouriging. We were surprised with the overall grip level of the subu.

Day 2: This was a great day! We made some big slides, but had a lot of fun on these tyres in this kind of conditions. We approached the stages very cautious and were therefore able to set some very good times. The car behaved perfectly again!

[GrP]

I've also finished the rally, my first with Seat Sport. First day was very good, some good and competitive times were set. But, second day was not so good. Eventhough I was able to improve the times from 2006, I don't have a good feeling. I'm looking forward to Sweden&Norway rallies and would just like to finish the Monte with a solid podium finish.

[jso1985]

Quite good entrylist this rally, I hope we can keep it in that trend the whole season.
Congrats to GrP on the winning, quite a good fight between 5th and 9th.



1.- GrP SEAT Cordoba 47:27,56
2.- Marcel Haenen Subaru Impreza 47:39,20
3.- Luffield Ford Focus 49:50,17
4.- Jso1985 Subaru Impreza 52:50,25
5.- Cyborg_hun SEAT Cordoba 53:20,41*
6.- Sir Killalot SEAT Cordoba 53:36,63
7.- Ramore Toyota Corolla 53:41,82
8.- Dravas76 Skoda Fabia 53:46,99
9.- Tannat Ford Focus 54:03,07**
10.- Exhausted Skoda Fabia 56:34,66
11.- Crutts Subaru Impreza 56:38,29
12.- Rat Ford Focus 58:11,20

*Cyborg_hun times to be confirmed
**Tannat used SuperRally so final time not official

Drivers Championship
1.- Grp 10 points
2.- Marcel Haenen 8
3.- Luffield 6
4.- Jso1985 5
5.- Cyborg_hun 4
6.- Sir Killalot 3
7.- Ramore 2
8.- Dravas76 1

Manufacturers Championship
1.- SEAT 14
2.- Subaru 13
3.- Ford 7
4.- Toyota 3
5.- Skoda 2


Stage-by-stage times will be available as soon as possible.

thanks for participating!

[jso1985]

grrr someday I'll get how to use the bloody code on this forum

[tannat]

Just sent my superspecial time to you, jso1985.
If the above time must be enforced, no problem.

I need to be a bit more organized with my timekeeping... :(

[jso1985]

I can include your SSS time unless someone disagrees

[Mad cat jnr]

Include it more fun then. Whats a few hours? Glad not to be last and only a little behind exhausted, so not bad to say that was my first time driving on the game in 3/4 months. Hope to imporve over the year especially on tarmac :D

Joe

[tannat]

I can include your SSS time unless someone disagrees

I understand if it's a problem..

I apologize, gang. My daughter hasn't been sleeping well lately, and sometimes in order to complete a rally or race, I must do so in the wee hours while she sleeps on my chest (giving her a bottle right now as I'm typing), and I glance over in the dimly lit room and write down my times out of the corner of my eye.

Not an excuse for not having my act together, but there it is...

[Mad cat jnr]

How did it take you to think of that one? because it very good. Only joking Tannant, must get quite difficult for you :D

joe

[tannat]

How did it take you to think of that one? because it very good.

joe

Wish it were falsified. I need to have my wife photograph me some time. It's endearing and funny at the same time...

I miss the days when I could put son in bed, get the wife to go to sleep, and wail on the X Box or Playstation until the wee hours. But I love my little Emma to death.. :D

By the way MC Jr, there is a certain Peugeot in the TRD1 BTCC paddock collecting dust and cobwebs... :laugh:

[Marcel Haenen]

Congratulations GrP! Great drive!
I am a little bit dissapointed, I could have done better I guess. I will try to get some practice in for those snow rallies ahead and try to get back to the top step of the podium.

[GrP]

I'm really happy to start the season with this victory. Now it's going to be a little easier to go to Sweden&Norway. I think this season could be really interesting. New Seat is very good, but the main thing is the manual gearbox. There should be also an interesting battle for the Manfactures title (Seat, Subaru, Ford)

[Rat]

Well done GrP.
Good fun rally, what's next?

[dravas76]

I am very surprise about the result. My first point of the season.

Question for Jso1985. Do yes have a full season or still the short season?

I check on the site and the calendar is for a full season. It's ok for me, specialy if we do the 2 days rally.

[jso1985]

we're doing full season. as for the 2 days rally, is everybody happy with it? or should we change back to 3 days rally?

[Mad cat jnr]

For me 3 days is better. More time to get used to the car.

Joe

[jso1985]

amended results



1.- GrP SEAT Cordoba 47:27,56
2.- Marcel Haenen Subaru Impreza 47:39,20
3.- Luffield Ford Focus 49:50,17
4.- Cyborg_hun SEAT Cordoba 51:20,41
5.- Jso1985 Subaru Impreza 52:50,25
6.- Tannat Ford Focus 53:09,71
7.- Sir Killalot SEAT Cordoba 53:36,63
8.- Ramore Toyota Corolla 53:41,82
9.- Dravas76 Skoda Fabia 53:46,99
10.- Exhausted Skoda Fabia 56:34,66
11.- Crutts Subaru Impreza 56:38,29
12.- Rat Ford Focus 58:11,20


Drivers Championship
1.- Grp 10 points
2.- Marcel Haenen 8
3.- Luffield 6
4.- Cyborg_hun 5
5.- Jso1985 4
6.- Tannat 3
7.- Sir Killalot 2
8.- Ramore 1

Manufacturers Championship
1.- SEAT 15
2.- Subaru 12
3.- Ford 9
4.- Toyota 2
5.- Skoda 1

[dravas76]

Oops! I lost my point. :(

[dravas76]

we're doing full season. as for the 2 days rally, is everybody happy with it? or should we change back to 3 days rally?

2 days for me. I do not like the 3rd Days. I always had problem in that day.

But If peoples want the 3 days, No problem, we go for the 3 days.

[tannat]

Oops! I lost my point. :(

It is beacuse of me you lost your point drvas, so I will make this promise to you. Sometime this season when you and I both finish in the points and you are directly behind me I will incur a time penalty so that you finish higher than me (and thus gain a point, unless in the unlikely circumstance of me finishing first :D ).

Sorry to have taken from you, but I will be true to my promise :up:

[cyborg_hun]

Hi!

I suggest 2 day rally, because less distance, less differences between the pilots, so the champ can be more exciting. Monte result shows that too.

other thing:

could someone give me a good snow setup for manual gearbox. I think i'm going to try it, when i expeience some development.

[Exhausted]

2 will days will also be fine with me!

[tannat]

2 will days will also be fine with me!


I agree as well :up:

[Ramore]

I am also voting for two days championship. The gaps between the drivers will be smaller.

[Rat]

2 days or 3 doesn't matter to me, just as long as I can get some rallying.

[jso1985]

so we stay with 2 days rallying! thanks for the feedback

[Marcel Haenen]

could someone give me a good snow setup for manual gearbox. I think i'm going to try it, when i expeience some development.
I am still testing some different setups:
GB 0
SUSP -2
PR -1
BB -2
BP +2/+3
ST +5

or

GB 0
SUSP +2
PR -3
BB -2
BP +2/+3
ST +5

very different setups, I have the feeling the second one is faster, but the car is more understeered (because of the lower ride height) and therfore a mistake costs you some more time.

[cyborg_hun]

I’ve been trying many setups so far, but I learned only one thing :) So That’s what I ask for advice. The one thing is: I have never set up PB with same setup With same setup I can’t drive equal times, you have many chance to make mistakes I can win 1 second within 2-3 corner, but usually I lose it in the next 2-3 corner

My setups are very various too, but never tried to drive with setup like your 2nd:
BG 0
SUSP -4 - +4
PR -1 - +3
BB 0 - +2
BP - 4 – 0
ST +2 - +3

Maybe I should try to drive the rear wheels more, but your brake balance setups are also interesting

[Marcel Haenen]

I use the PR and BB to dial out the massive understeer you get on snow. The car should pull itselff around the corner when you step on the throttle. With the break balance set more to the rear I can set the car in a corner by touching the brakes creating some oversteer.

[GrP]

My setup for Sweden:

- gearbox: 0
- suspension: -2
- power.ratio: 0
- brake.balance: +2
- steering: +2

It's very hard to tell which setup is the best. It should be that one which enables you to drive consistently and smooth through each SS. I've even tried to put some more power to the rear. It feels very good in the corners, but I find car a little to nervous (front end is lighter because of that). But this setup just gives you a final details, you have to controll the car previous. Also with a default setup it is possible to go very fast.

[Marcel Haenen]

I used
GB 0
SUSP 0
PR -1
BB -1
BP +2
ST +5
and broke about all my records yesterday. But it is as GrP says: you first have to perfectly control the car before setup can make any difference here.
I am starting to learn these stages and therefore keep going faster. Setup is just for the final bit in confidence to tackle the stages on the limit.

[Ramore]

Any tips for driving on ice ( stage two)? I am always very slow in this section of the stage, even the computers are beating me there.

[Marcel Haenen]

I try to touch the snow on the inside of the corner. Just try to get on or two wheels on them and they will kind of pull you around the corner.

[jso1985]

Stage-by-stage results are now available at the yahoo site.
here's some stats of the rally
- Stage wins: GrP 11, Marcel Haenen 8
- Rally Leaders: SS1-SS19: GrP
- Luffield finished 3rd on every stage but the last one
- Ramore managed to overhaul a 35 sec disadvantage to Sir Killalot(and 38 sec to Dravas76) at the end of day 1 to finally finosh 5 secs ahead of Dravas76 and only 5 secs behind Sir Killalot

[tannat]

Any tips for driving on ice ( stage two)? I am always very slow in this section of the stage, even the computers are beating me there.

jso1985 used an interesting technique last year... :laugh:

[jso1985]

wich happened to be illegal according to the old organizer :p :

[tannat]

wich happened to be illegal according to the old organizer :p :

:p :

[Ramore]

Thanks for the advice. I didn't know that I am fast on the snow ( with tarmac tyres), it always seems so slow. So I am looking forward to the next two events. And by the way, since I am the only one competing for toyota, can I change the name of the team slightly. Let's say to BAMS Toyota WRT.

[jso1985]

no problems with changing the team name

[Mad cat jnr]

Looks like I had a great battle with Exhausted from stage 3 onwards, getting a 5th and 7th stage time on day 2 which I am very happy with to say I hadnt played the game for ages. Just if i hadnt had such a bad SS1 and SS2 :@

Joe

[Sir Killalot]

Yeeh, 7th. place. That's not so bad. Wow GrP and Marcel Haenen drove fast!

No crashes there I suppose. Well, well. Good start and many compeditors.

[cyborg_hun]

Gearbox 0
Susp +2
Power Ratio 0
Brake Balance +2
Brake Power -2
Steering +2

I think this is the best for me (AT/Keyboard). Some stages requires to Power ratio -1, but rear wheel drive is very dangerous. It seems faster in hard corners, but it can cause big slidings, if you dont feel limits.

[Luffield]

Well done Marcel and GrP.

Hope I can challenge you more in Sweden :up: